ChumpChange
Posted by ChumpChange
Nov 29, 2021

PL w/ 1X Odds, 2x 1/2 bet Comes w/ 3X Odds

Played some WinCraps and was on a losing streak so I started betting $1,000 on the PL to catch up, but the losing streak intensified. I was down $20K, down to $80K, from $100K, when I thought I'd try a new strategy. I'd bet $500 on the PL, $500 odds, $250 on each of 2 Come bets with $750 odds. I won to $128K within 400 rolls (+$48K). I didn't have more than $3,000 on the table at anytime. I started replacing won Come bets with $1000 Buy bets on the 5, 9 or $990 PB 6, 8. I'd place a different number if a Come bet moved into the PB that just won. If a 4, 10 Come bet won, I'd take the bet down and make it an inside number Buy/PB.
I took a break, then hoped to continue the winning streak, but the early 7-outs just didn't stop and I lost $30K. So eventually I got back to $102K then changed my game. I'd bet $30 + $30 odds on the PL, & $15 + $45 on the 2 Comes. I had to lower my bets to $20 + $20 odds on the PL, & $10 + $30 odds on the 2 Comes when my balance fell below $101,800. When I got to above $102,700, I raised my bets to $40 + $40 odds on the PL, & $20 + $60 odds on the 2 Comes. My good luck continues and I'm about to start betting $60 + $60 odds on the PL, & $30 + $90 odds on the 2 Comes for getting above $103,900.
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I've been rolling the dice in WinCraps another 500+ rolls and I'm up to nearly $113,500 (+$11.5K). I'm trying to make a change that if a Come bet with odds wins, I'll split it into two PB/Buy bets. If I have a $90 Come + $270 Odds, the total bet is $360, so I'll split that into $180 on two inside numbers. So if I win both Come bets, I'll have 4 numbers covered with them as PB/Buy bets plus the PL with odds. If a come bet without odds wins, I'll just rack it and rebet. I'll Buy the 4 or 10 if the PL point is an inside number, and move it to the inside if the PL point becomes a 4 or 10.
Since I'm so far ahead, I could split the $13.5K into three $4K buy-ins and collect a heavy advantage.
Another 500+ rolls and I'm up to $127.7K (+$25.7K), and I'm betting $300 + $300 odds on the PL, and $150 + $450 odds on each of 2 Come bets, and $300 on PB/Buy bets after Come w/ odds wins. I'm more than halfway to $300K (+$200K) on a $2K Max Table.
A serious losing streak brought me back to $116K (+$14K), and now would be a good time to divvy that up into four $4K buy-ins.
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I was reading something somewhere else and a suggestion was made to not put odds on the numbers until all 3 bets have been established. The early 7-outs are contagious. If a Come-out 7 knocks out all my Come bets, don't add odds until they are both up again. If I already have 2 place bets up, add odds on the PL. This may limit the downside slide a bit, but it also limits my upside when I make 3 PL points and 4 Come bets before I get my odds up.
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I lowered my betting as if I had a $4K buy-in at $116K (lose my session at $112K). I've won to $122K, so I'd be cashing out about $10K at the cage about now.
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Next night I buy-in a $2K session and it lasted me over 2 hours on WinCraps. I had a bit of beginner's luck and got to $1500 ahead, but the doom scroll of bad luck entered the chat and it was PL knocking my Come bets off either by 7-winners or replacements, just getting my PB/Buy bets up and getting a 7-out, or getting point 7-outs many times in a row like tourists were throwing the dice, and far too few times of hitting my PB/Buy bets 5+ times after getting them set up, but the PL with odds was making a strong showing.
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12-14-21: I had a 48 roll hand and was betting $60 on the PL with 1X Odds & $30 on 2 Comes with $90 Odds, and converting each won Come with Odds bet into 2 PB/Buy bets. I won $2,310. I don't think running a progression on the PB's is all that productive. It's better to raise bets when a session balance is reached, and lower it when that balance is breached going down. My buy-in would be $5,400 for this session, and this hand brought me to $230 above $5,400 but I didn't get around to raising my bets to $90 + $90 & $45 + $135 with $90 PB/Buy bets.
I had two turns in a row that totaled 81 rolls. The first hand was 44 rolls and I won $2,173 at the $90 bet level and brought me above $8,100 where I raise my bets. The second hand was 37 rolls that won $2,648 at the $120 bet level and brought me to $11.1K which is a little short of where I raise my bets to the $180 level. Seven 7-outs later in 39 rolls and I've fallen below $8,100 and I have to lower my bet level to $90.
Bubble Craps has a $195 PL/Come bet limit and 2X Odds. For 3X Odds, just add an extra PB/Buy bet. Vouchers will spit out on wins that take you over $3K. I did see one player on YouTube playing Bubble Craps and he had over $20K on the machine, so there are exceptions.

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OnceDear
OnceDear Nov 30, 2021

Does Wincraps make you do buy-ins to give you a session bankroll? If so, what buy-ins would you have had to have done to have played that live?



Reply:

I can start WinCraps with most any buy-in, the default is lower and I've forgotten what it was, maybe $1,000 or $5,000 or $10,000, but I set it for $100,000 so I could worry more about sticking around that figure when times get tough.

For the $3,000 max on the felt, a buy-in of $30K would be minimum for me, but I'd make it much higher, maybe in the $90K range.



If I'm gonna be betting on Bubble Craps with $2 + $2 Odds on the PL, and $1 + $2 odds + $1 PB on the point for 2 Come bets, the total on the felt would be $12 at one time. So my minimum buy-in would be $120, but I should plan on making the buy-in around $500 (with a different betting strategy that goes to higher bets) if I get ahead with beginner's luck.



If I'm at at a $10 table, I'd have $20 + $20 odds on the PL, and $10 + $30 odds on the 2 Come bets, the total on the felt would be $120 at one time. So my minimum buy-in would be $1200, but I should plan on making the buy-in around $4,000 (with a different betting strategy that goes to higher bets, and includes $30 on the PL where on the Bubble Craps it skips from $2 to $4 and excludes $3 on the PL because I can't bet $1.50 on the Come).



I've gotten from $102,000 to near $107,000 playing the table amounts on WinCraps last night, so that'd be equivalent to turning $200 into $1,000 on the Bubble Craps with a slightly different chart. The dice have to be with me for me to win. The local Bubble Craps has speeded up their dice shaker so it's not easier to lazily throw 7's on the Come-out all day, but it does seem much easier to inadvertently throw a 7-out. Other players are betting the Don'ts, even when they shoot. I can roll 21 times trying to hit my point of 4 and not hit it, so I can still get into Hot Shooter mode, usually at least once an hour if I'm shooting alone.



I've said many, many times before that WinCraps will put me on a winning streak so it can figure out my betting habits, then it will turn on me horrendously & never-endingly. Like I start betting Don't Pass, I win for awhile, then suddenly it's Hot Shooter time and I'm making 8 points and winning a dozen come-out bets. I don't trust WinCraps to be a harbinger of what I'll find on Bubble Craps or real tables, and I wouldn't trust online craps either. But I can cobble together some winning strategies that may work for a day on WinCraps before it goes utterly sour.

ChumpChange
Posted by ChumpChange
Nov 09, 2021

PLACE TO LOSE ON BUBBLE CRAPS

From my thread: https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/36634-place-to-lose-on-bubble-craps/
I like my 3X odds strategy on the Don't Pass, but the Bubble Craps machine only allows me to bet 2X Odds. So I was thinking of adding an amount equal to the Don't Pass bet to the Place To Lose on the same number, that way I'll have a facsimile of 3X odds.
I haven't tried this bet yet and I'm not sure of what the Bubble Crap pay table on this bet is, or whether you can Buy the Place To Lose bet and get a better return.
According to the Wizard's site,
the 6 & 8 P2L bet would pay 80%,
the 5 & 9 P2L would pay 62.5%
the 4 & 10 P2L would pay 45.45%

So if I had $20 on the DP, $40 on Odds, and $20 on the P2L, the total win would be:
the 6 & 8: $20 + $33.33 + $16 + $80 bet = $69.33 + $80 bet = $149.33
the 5 & 9: $20 + $26.67 + $12.50 + $80 bet = $59.17 + $80 bet = $139.17
the 4 & 10: $20 + $20 + $9.09 + $80 bet = $49.09 + $80 bet = $129.09

If I was on a 3X Odds table and not betting Place to Lose, here's what I'd win:
the 6 & 8: $20 + $50 + $80 bet = $70 + $80 bet = $150
the 5 & 9: $20 + $40 + $80 bet = $60 + $80 bet = $140
the 4 & 10: $20 + $30 + $80 bet = $50 + $80 bet = $130

So with betting Place to Lose as a 3rd Odd on the machine, I'm losing
67 cents on the 6 & 8
83 cents on the 5 & 9
91 cents on the 4 & 10
versus betting 3X odds on the table.
These losing amounts would increase if I wanted to press my odds bet to 4X, 5X, or 6X, on the order of 2X, 3X, or 4X my loss as I press my Place To Lose bet.


Part of my 3X odds on the Don't Pass strategy is to switch sides after 2 losses on one shooter, so I'd need 3X odds on the Pass Line.
The Bubble Craps machine only allows me to bet 2X Odds. So I was thinking of adding an amount equal to the Pass Line bet to the Place Bet on the same number, that way I'll have a facsimile of 3X odds.
It pays better to Buy the 4, 5, 9, & 10 on the Bubble Craps.
the 6 & 8 Place Bet would pay 116.67%,
the 5 & 9 Buy Bet would pay 145%
the 4 & 10 Buy Bet would pay 195%

So if I had $20 on the PL, $40 on Odds, and $20 on the PB/Buy Bet, the total win would be:
the 6 & 8: $20 + $48 + $23.33 + $80 bet = $91.33 + $80 bet = $171.33
the 5 & 9: $20 + $60 + $29.00 + $80 bet = $109.00 + $80 bet = $189.00
the 4 & 10: $20 + $80 + $39.00 + $80 bet = $139.00 + $80 bet = $219.00

If I was on a 3X Odds table and not betting Place Bet/Buy Bet, here's what I'd win:
the 6 & 8: $20 + $72 + $80 bet = $92 + $80 bet = $172
the 5 & 9: $20 + $90 + $80 bet = $110 + $80 bet = $190
the 4 & 10: $20 + $120 + $80 bet = $140 + $80 bet = $220

So with betting Place Bet/Buy Bet as a 3rd Odd on the machine, I'm losing
67 cents on the 6 & 8
100 cents on the 5 & 9
100 cents on the 4 & 10
versus betting 3X odds on the table.
These losing amounts would increase if I wanted to press my odds bet to 4X, 5X, or 6X, on the order of 2X, 3X, or 4X my loss as I press my Place Bet/Buy Bet.

If a shooter only makes 2 points, I'm out $240. If the shooter makes a 3rd point, I'm erasing some of my losses. If a shooter hits a 4th point I'm still behind unless a 4 /10 win are involved. I could stop betting on the shooter after the 4th point is made and be ahead. If a shooter hits a 5th point, I start pulling ahead on any number.
This strategy is meant to win on a bunch of point 7-outs (in a row), because I'll raise the odds bets on the Don't Pass 1X each on the 3rd, 4th & 5th win in a row.
At a full table of tourists instead of regulars, it's quite possible to see 10 in a row point 7-outs.

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12/29/21:
I'm trying to figure out how to use Place to Lose (P2L) on a 2X Odds Bubble Craps machine where I want to bet more.
I've come up with $3 DP/DC with $6 Odds and P2L on the 6, 8 of $5 (and pays $4); P2L on the 5, 9 of $8 (and pays $5), P2L on the 4, 10 of $11 (and pays $5). The total payout would be $12, except on the 4,10 where it would be $11. I'm using multiples like this to get payout multiples of $12 (and losing $1/$12 won on the 4, 10).

Maximum payout has to be under $1,200, and there's a $400 limit on P2L bets.
With $108 on the DP/DC: (36X minimum DP/DC bet of $3):
(The net win on the 4, 10 is $36 less than the other numbers.)
For the 4, 10 it'd be odds of $216 which pays $108, and $396 on the P2L which pays $180; so the total win is $108 + $108 + $180 (subtotal of $396) + bets of $108 + $216 + $396 (subtotal of $720) = a total payout of $1,116.
For the 5, 9 it'd be odds of $216 which pays $144, and $288 on the P2L which pays $180; so the total win is $108 + $144 + $180 (subtotal of $432) + bets $108 + $216 + $288 (subtotal of $612) = a total payout of $1,044.
For the 6, 8 it'd be odds of $216 which pays $180, and $180 on PL2 which pays $144; so the total win is $108 + $180 + $144 (subtotal of $432) + bets $108 + $216 + $144 (subtotal of $468) = a total payout of $900.

ChumpChange
Posted by ChumpChange
Nov 06, 2021

Buffalo Gold Collection - Free Spin-A-Rama & Mega Jackpot

$6 bet turns into Mega Jackpot!
MY BIGGEST JACKPOT EVER on Buffalo Gold MUST SEE - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaKq_pfv_dc
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The Wizard has already started a thread about this machine and he linked to this YT video within it.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/slots/36629-buffalo-gold-collection/#post830270
...The player plays a bonus with 129 total free spins, almost $17,000 total win (1.683 million credits, mega jackpot), and lasts 28 minutes.

ChumpChange
Posted by ChumpChange
Oct 30, 2021

Happy Lantern Slot - Maximum Bets, Win Long Time

BEST RUN ON YOUTUBE!!!! ONLY $250 SPINS!!! OVER $100,000!!! MUST SEE!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpMQWxcDc_Y
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Slotlady played a variation of this machine known as Lightning Cash High Stakes. She turned $300 into $1200 at $5 a spin in less than 15 minutes with a run of fantastic luck.
--MASSIVE WIN! Lightning Cash Slot Machine! Incredible Amount of BONUSES!! Dec 7, 2019 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET3uyneyxzE
(That'd be the equivalent of buying-in for $15K at $250/spin and quadrupling it to $60K!)

Comments

OnceDear
OnceDear Oct 31, 2021

At 3:12 he had just won 34150 coins. But at 03:13 that disappeared? Looks like he edited out losing that?



[Ignore that. Seems I'd rolled into another video.]

ChumpChange
ChumpChange Oct 31, 2021

OD: I can't find the thing you're talking about at the time point given. I think this video was edited from a longer 2+ hour livestream and these are the highlights. He did cashout a few times to get vouchers. Towards the end he was putting in $1,000 at a time, and I don't know where you can find $1,000 bills much less $1,000 vouchers. Maybe the new FastPay system allows him to add that $1,000 onto the credit meter at the push of a button. Maybe he went to the casino ATM and purchased a small handful of $1,000 vouchers beforehand.

At 22:54 he has 45K credits, then the next scene he's back at $1,000 at the denomination screen.

ChumpChange
ChumpChange Oct 31, 2021

At other casinos, the machines may have a $3K credit limit you can't go over, so any non-handpay jackpot that puts you over $3K will be spit out as a voucher. Most casinos don't have the PIN handpay feature, so you'll be waiting around for a handpay.

One slot-tuber suggests playing the 5 or 10 multipliers (on Lightning Cash High Stakes) because the chips in the bonus rounds are higher, like 12,500 or 25,000 and you could hit 2 of them. On a 10 cent denom, 25,000 x $0.10 = $2,500. He says he gets a bit ripped-off on the progressives, but the high chip values make up for it.

OnceDear
OnceDear Oct 31, 2021

Ignore my comment above. I'd rolled into another video.

ChumpChange
ChumpChange Nov 02, 2021

I can't find either of these machines at my local casino. The casino mostly has lower denomination machines of 1, 2, 5, 10 cents, not higher denominations of 10, 25, 50, 100 cents.

ChumpChange
Posted by ChumpChange
Oct 18, 2021

Hot Shooter Mode! - Shoot To Win Craps!

You really should plan on pressing into a 50 roll shooter.
Hot Shooter Mode! - Shoot To Win Craps!

LONGEST CRAPS ROLL ON YOUTUBE (*Most Rolls) on Bubble Craps My Longest Roll Ever! 321 Craps Part4of4 -CSL in the Casino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijLb_0p0Fbg

Casino Removes Craps Machine After Epic 53 Straight Rolls! +Dark Side 3-Point Molly CRAPS Strategy - CSL in the Casino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1oHnnYldc4

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ChumpChange
ChumpChange Oct 18, 2021

You should always buy the 4,5,9,10 in any amount because the machines pay to the penny.