Using AI to create par sheets

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I am wondering if anyone has considered how to use AI to compute RTP. From what I have seen, something like ChatGPT only gives a general answer.

Where I would like to start is taking a game like the Wizard's "Atkins Diet" and figure out a prompt that would result in the RTP computed the same way as the Wizard computes it. Then add to that more advanced things like cascades or walking wilds.

Any ideas?

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While I have seen this software out there see slot designer dot com no spaces

I am wondering if anyone has considered how to use AI to compute RTP. From what I have seen, something like ChatGPT only gives a general answer.

Where I would like to start is taking a game like the Wizard's "Atkins Diet" and figure out a prompt that would result in the RTP computed the same way as the Wizard computes it. Then add to that more advanced things like cascades or walking wilds.

Any ideas?
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I don't think you could do it without knowing the symbol frequencies. Unless the AI could find the frequencies which would probably require the PAR sheet to be available, I don't think it would be reliable.

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I don't think you could do it without knowing the symbol frequencies. Unless the AI could find the frequencies which would probably require the PAR sheet to be available, I don't think it would be reliable.
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I would be happy with an AI that could be given the symbol distribution, much like what is published on the Atkins Diet page. I don't think RTP could be computed without it unless you recorded thousands or millions of spins and tried to estimate the symbol distribution based on what you observed.

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I don't think you could do it without knowing the symbol frequencies. Unless the AI could find the frequencies which would probably require the PAR sheet to be available, I don't think it would be reliable.
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I would be happy with an AI that could be given the symbol distribution, much like what is published on the Atkins Diet page. I don't think RTP could be computed without it unless you recorded thousands or millions of spins and tried to estimate the symbol distribution based on what you observed.
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I agree, if given the virtual reel strip layout you could calculate the base game pay.

Casinos can set the RTP to whatever they like. There might be a Help Screen on the machine that could tell you what the RTP is currently set at.

How casinos configure Dragon Link RTP — and why it varies by property
When an operator purchases Dragon Link cabinets, Aristocrat delivers them with a selection of available RTP configurations built into the game software. Gaming managers — not Aristocrat — choose which configuration to activate for each machine. That decision is driven by three factors: regulatory minimums, floor strategy, and player demographics.

https://www.freeslots99.com/blog/what-is-dragon-link-rtp/

How to find the RTP on a Dragon Link machine — step by step
Every Dragon Link cabinet is required by its operating jurisdiction to display its configured RTP in an accessible location, typically through the machine’s touchscreen help system.

1. Sit at the machine and insert your player card or cash — you do not need to wager to access the information screen.
2. Locate the “Help” or “?” button on the touchscreen — typically in the bottom-right corner of the game interface.
3. Tap “Game Info” or “Return to Player” from the help menu. The label varies slightly by cabinet generation but both lead to the same screen.
4. Read the displayed percentage — this is the RTP for the coin level currently selected. On multi-denomination cabinets, switch coin level first if you want to check a different tier.
5. Note the coin level shown alongside the RTP figure to confirm you are reading the configuration for the bet level you intend to play.

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RTP changes by denom on the same machine.

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Casinos can set the RTP to whatever they like. There might be a Help Screen on the machine that could tell you what the RTP is currently set at.

Not quite true. The casino usually has a choice of about six percentages they can set the game to. Those six percentages are determined by the game manufacturer and must comply with local regulations.

My goal was not to figure out the RTP of a particular game on the casino floor (although that would be interesting)

I am thinking back at the manufacturer level, where Aristocrat and all other major companies have a team of mathematicians who create the par sheets.

Could their work be made easier with AI?

As an example, could you feed AI Michael Shackleford’s “Atkins Diet” slot machine game (found on this web site) rules (including symbol distributions such as 3 wilds on reel 1), and have AI do all the work that Michael did?

Could you then further tell AI, ok, same game, but I would like to add this bonus game to it? Ultimately describe the game in conversation format but provide tables of data such as symbols per reel or how the bonus game works.

Assuming an AI could even do this, which I highly doubt, it would need many hours of video footage of the game. On an older machine it would have been easier and require less footage. However, bonus rounds these days are very complicated and it would take seeing LOTS of them to truly have an idea of what is going on well enough to get a decent RTP estimate.

In general, I still say AI is incredibly overrated. Have you disagree, you probably haven't had to suffer through AI customer support.

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In general, I still say AI is incredibly overrated. Have you disagree, you probably haven't had to suffer through AI customer support.
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I recently interacted with AI to start a contact with a company. The bot tried to schedule a technician but the company didn't trust it evidently and it couldn't... the thing was, it didn't know that... so we went through the process of trying different dates with the constant 'nope not available' and I exited the call [it got my number etc though]. A human finally called me and someone was available right away. Job saved! But the point is, AI can just add to the frustration of 'the phone tree' which is already notorious for making contact with a company miserable. It kills me when a company that says "we are all about service, service, service" uses a multi-level phone tree when you call them

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Casinos can set the RTP to whatever they like. There might be a Help Screen on the machine that could tell you what the RTP is currently set at.

Every Dragon Link cabinet is required by its operating jurisdiction to display its configured RTP in an accessible location, typically through the machine’s touchscreen help system.
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Every Dragon Link cabinet is required by its operating jurisdiction? I can see it being required by Aristocrat, but very few "jurisdictions" require it to be displayed. The only one I can name off the top of my head is the state of Victoria, Australia, and even then, that was in 2011.

There may be one way to calculate, or at least estimate, RTP through visual analysis - if it is true that, on a multi-line machine, every stopping position is equally likely. Normally, on a single-line machine, most blank symbols are more likely to appear than nonblank ones. (I want to say that there was a time in Nevada where the ratio of the probabilities of two adjacent symbols appearing could not be more than 6:1, but I'm not entirely sure of that.)

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Every Dragon Link cabinet is required by its operating jurisdiction? I can see it being required by Aristocrat, but very few "jurisdictions" require it to be displayed.

I do not recall that requirement but every slot machine that I can think of has it available to be viewed in the setup screens.

Well, anyway, it's better to play a $5 spin on the dime denom than the penny denom because the RTP is set higher, and the Mini & Minor Bonuses are 10X higher. But some people report seeing 9 Mini JP's on their screen when betting Max Multiples on their denom. So win 9X $10 or 1X $100?

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Well, anyway, it's better to play a $5 spin on the dime denom than the penny denom because the RTP is set higher, and the Mini & Minor Bonuses are 10X higher.
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I do not think that can be relied upon without specific confirmation.

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Every Dragon Link cabinet is required by its operating jurisdiction? I can see it being required by Aristocrat, but very few "jurisdictions" require it to be displayed.

I do not recall that requirement but every slot machine that I can think of has it available to be viewed in the setup screens.
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Setup screens, yes - this makes sense, as the operator should be able to determine the RTP - but the implication was that they can be viewed by the players through the help/pay table screens. Or is this what you meant by "setup screens"?

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Every Dragon Link cabinet is required by its operating jurisdiction? I can see it being required by Aristocrat, but very few "jurisdictions" require it to be displayed.

I do not recall that requirement but every slot machine that I can think of has it available to be viewed in the setup screens.
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Setup screens, yes - this makes sense, as the operator should be able to determine the RTP - but the implication was that they can be viewed by the players through the help/pay table screens. Or is this what you meant by "setup screens"?
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No, I just meant the operator accessible screens. I do not recall a casino with Class 3 machines that required the percentages to be viewable by the public. I would not be surprised if some lottery jurisdictions may require it.

At my casino, the difference in RTP is negligible unless you select $1 or more. Pennies and dimes are practically the same, like a 0.05% difference.