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October 8th, 2021 at 10:18:38 AM permalink
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On a windless day, Charlie takes his canoe to the river and paddles up upstream. He always paddles at the same rate (in other words if we ignore the current, he would always go the same speed). A mile* after launching, his hat falls in the river. Ten minutes after that, he realizes his hat is missing and immediately makes a u-turn to catch up to it downstream. Charlie catches up to his hat at the same place he launched.

How fast is the current?



Note: I originally, incorrectly, said "an hour." It should be a mile.
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My solution:
Set current speed=x; set boat speed=v; set time used by boat in the return trip=t, then we get two equations:
1+10(v-x)=(v+x)t,
(t+10)x=1.
Solve this set of two equations, we find the current speed x=0.05 mile/minute.
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October 8th, 2021 at 10:21:34 AM permalink
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I saw this problem on Twitter -- it has a rather easy argument.

Find all solutions X, Y, Z in integers to:


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I could not find a solution when z<=25.
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October 8th, 2021 at 10:51:00 AM permalink
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My solution:

Set current speed=x; set boat speed=v; set time used by boat in the return trip=t, then we get two equations:
1+10(v-x)=(v+x)t,
(t+10)x=1.
Solve this set of two equations, we find the current speed x=0.05 mile/minute.

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I agree!
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October 8th, 2021 at 12:16:30 PM permalink
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I saw this problem on Twitter -- it has a rather easy argument.

Find all solutions X, Y, Z in integers to:


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I could not find a solution when z<=25.


Not even when Z = 0?
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October 8th, 2021 at 2:26:53 PM permalink
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I apologize if discussion of the semi-sphere problem isn't finished. I also apologize if I asked this one before. I do know I asked a similar one.

Consider the following figure. All pieces are squares. The area of the white square is 25. What is the area of the entire figure?


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An aside, not related to the solution of this particular problem: There is a lot of interesting mathematics related to dividing rectangles (including squares) into squares, it has an unexpected connection to graph theory and electric circuits. It is possible to divide a square into smaller squares of different sizes, but it is definitely not an easy mathematical problem. www.squaring.net is a website dedicated to this type of problems, the history and theory section has a number of interesting articles about the development of the problem, the articles about Brooks, Smith, Stone and Tutte are particularly interesting.
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October 8th, 2021 at 3:09:10 PM permalink
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I saw this problem on Twitter -- it has a rather easy argument.

Find all solutions X, Y, Z in integers to:


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This problem statement suffers from the lack of a bikini-clad blonde in a rubber boat.



Any integer X = S *(Y^2 + Z^2) only has solutions when Y^2 +Z^2 is either
- a pythagoran prime (2 or any 1mod4 prime)
- or any possible product of pythagoran primes.
- or any of the above two possibilities when both multiplied by a common squared integer (in which case we can factor out that common squared integer and redefine it as part of S.)

For X^2 = 3Y^2 + 7Z^2, the first question is whether (3Y^2 + 7z^2) can ever be a 1mod4 prime or a product of 1mod4 primes. I think the answer is no, there are no solutions when Y,Z are non-zero integers.

There are also no solutions when Y=0 or when Z = 0; because X^2 = 3Y^2 and X^2= 7Z^2 have no solutions.

What about when X = 0? No solutions, because the square of any negative or positive integer >0.

Thus, the only solution I see is X=Y=Z=0.
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October 8th, 2021 at 3:11:32 PM permalink
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I saw this problem on Twitter -- it has a rather easy argument.

Find all solutions X, Y, Z in integers to:


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The only solution is X=Y=Z=0. Let's assume that there exists another integer solution. Let's choose a solution X, Y, Z with |X| minimal among the solutions which are not all 0. (X clearly cannot be 0.)

The square of any even number is divisible by 4, while the square of any odd number has remainder 1 on division by 4.
If Y and Z are both odd, then the remainder of the right-hand side on division by 4 is 2, so it cannot be a square.
If one of Y and Z is odd and the other is even, then remainder of the right-hand side on division by 4 is 3, so it cannot be a square either.
If both Y and Z are even, then the right-hand side is divisible by 4, so X also has to be even. X/2, Y/2, Z/2 are all integers, not all 0, (X/2)^2=3(Y/2)^2+7(Z/2)^2 and |X/2|<|X|, contradicting the minimality of |X|, therefore there is no solution other than X=Y=Z=0.

Looking at remainders on division by 7 also works.
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October 8th, 2021 at 3:51:51 PM permalink
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I apologize if discussion of the semi-sphere problem isn't finished. I also apologize if I asked this one before. I do know I asked a similar one.

Consider the following figure. All pieces are squares. The area of the white square is 25. What is the area of the entire figure?


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An aside, not related to the solution of this particular problem: There is a lot of interesting mathematics related to dividing rectangles (including squares) into squares, it has an unexpected connection to graph theory and electric circuits. It is possible to divide a square into smaller squares of different sizes, but it is definitely not an easy mathematical problem. www.squaring.net is a website dedicated to this type of problems, the history and theory section has a number of interesting articles about the development of the problem, the articles about Brooks, Smith, Stone and Tutte are particularly interesting.
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This is messy, because I did it in real time while typing it in. I hope I didn't botch it.


Let P= side length of a Pink Square
Let B = side length of a Blue Square
Let R = side length of a Red Square
Let G = side length of a Green square
Let 5 = side length of a yellow square

Then we can say:
(0) R=2 Y
(1) 3B+R = G + 2P
(2) B+P = R+Y+G
(3) P = G + 5
(4)2Y + 5 = G

Given that Eqn (3) implies Eqn (5) G = P - 5
we can substitute that into Eqn (4) and get 2Y + 5 = P - 5, or: Eqn (6) P = 2Y + 10. and substituting it into Eqn(5) yields Eqn (7) G = 2Y + 5

Substituting equations (6) and (7) into eqns (1) and (2):
(8) 3B+ R = 6Y+25
(9) B+ 2Y + 10 = R + 3Y + 5 or
(9') B = R + Y - 5

Substituting Eqn (0) into Eqns (8) and (9') gives us
3B = 4Y +25
B= 3Y - 5

Solving for the sides of the cubes:
Y = 8
B=19
R=16
G =21
P = 26

The rectangle is (P + B) by (2P + G) or 45 by 60 .

The area 45 x 60 = 2,700.
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October 8th, 2021 at 3:55:04 PM permalink
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I saw this problem on Twitter -- it has a rather easy argument.... Find all solutions X, Y, Z in integers to: ...

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For all N: N2 is 0 or 1 mod 3 (consider all numbers are either 3n, 3n+1 or 3n-1)
For all N: N2 is 0, 1, 2 or 4 mod 7 (similarly consider 7n 7n+1 7n+2 7n+3 7n-3 7n-2 7n-1)
For all X: X2 is 0, 1, 4, 7, 9, 15, 16 or 18 mod 21
For all Y: 3*Y2 is 0, 3, 6 or 12 mod 21
For all Z: 7*Z2 is 0 or 7 mod 21
Also if N2 is divisible by 7 then so is N.
Since X2 (mod 21) = 3*Y2 (mod 21) + 7*Z2 (mod 21), the only combinations that work are (0,0,0) and (7,7,0)
Thus X2 is either 0 or 7 mod 21, ie X is divisible by 7.
Since 7*Z2 is divisible by 7 it follows 3*Y2 has to be divisible by 7 as well.
So X and Y have to be divisible by 7.

So X2 and Y2 are divisible by 49, this means Z2 is divisible by 7 meaning Z has to be as well.

This leads to the conclusion that if (X,Y,Z) is a solution then (X/7,Y/7,Z/7) must be, this can't be true for any X>0, so means the only solution is (0,0,0).
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October 8th, 2021 at 4:07:57 PM permalink
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Quote: teliot

I saw this problem on Twitter -- it has a rather easy argument.

Find all solutions X, Y, Z in integers to:


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This problem statement suffers from the lack of a bikini-clad blonde in a rubber boat.



Any integer X = S *(Y^2 + Z^2) only has solutions when Y^2 +Z^2 is either
- a pythagoran prime (2 or any 1mod4 prime)
- or any possible product of pythagoran primes.
- or any of the above two possibilities when both multiplied by a common squared integer (in which case we can factor out that common squared integer and redefine it as part of S.)

For X^2 = 3Y^2 + 7Z^2, the first question is whether (3Y^2 + 7z^2) can ever be a 1mod4 prime or a product of 1mod4 primes. I think the answer is no, there are no solutions when Y,Z are non-zero integers.

There are also no solutions when Y=0 or when Z = 0; because X^2 = 3Y^2 and X^2= 7Z^2 have no solutions.

What about when X = 0? No solutions, because the square of any negative or positive integer >0.

Thus, the only solution I see is X=Y=Z=0.

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You get 0 points for this, even though it shows decent progress.
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October 8th, 2021 at 4:10:24 PM permalink
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I saw this problem on Twitter -- it has a rather easy argument.

Find all solutions X, Y, Z in integers to:


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The only solution is X=Y=Z=0. Let's assume that there exists another integer solution. Let's choose a solution X, Y, Z with |X| minimal among the solutions which are not all 0. (X clearly cannot be 0.)

The square of any even number is divisible by 4, while the square of any odd number has remainder 1 on division by 4.
If Y and Z are both odd, then the remainder of the right-hand side on division by 4 is 2, so it cannot be a square.
If one of Y and Z is odd and the other is even, then remainder of the right-hand side on division by 4 is 3, so it cannot be a square either.
If both Y and Z are even, then the right-hand side is divisible by 4, so X also has to be even. X/2, Y/2, Z/2 are all integers, not all 0, (X/2)^2=3(Y/2)^2+7(Z/2)^2 and |X/2|<|X|, contradicting the minimality of |X|, therefore there is no solution other than X=Y=Z=0.

Looking at remainders on division by 7 also works.

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Exactly the argument I had in mind. And of course, the right solution.
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October 8th, 2021 at 4:11:30 PM permalink
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I saw this problem on Twitter -- it has a rather easy argument.... Find all solutions X, Y, Z in integers to: ...

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For all N: N2 is 0 or 1 mod 3 (consider all numbers are either 3n, 3n+1 or 3n-1)
For all N: N2 is 0, 1, 2 or 4 mod 7 (similarly consider 7n 7n+1 7n+2 7n+3 7n-3 7n-2 7n-1)
For all X: X2 is 0, 1, 4, 7, 9, 15, 16 or 18 mod 21
For all Y: 3*Y2 is 0, 3, 6 or 12 mod 21
For all Z: 7*Z2 is 0 or 7 mod 21
Also if N2 is divisible by 7 then so is N.
Since X2 (mod 21) = 3*Y2 (mod 21) + 7*Z2 (mod 21), the only combinations that work are (0,0,0) and (7,7,0)
Thus X2 is either 0 or 7 mod 21, ie X is divisible by 7.
Since 7*Z2 is divisible by 7 it follows 3*Y2 has to be divisible by 7 as well.
So X and Y have to be divisible by 7.

So X2 and Y2 are divisible by 49, this means Z2 is divisible by 7 meaning Z has to be as well.

This leads to the conclusion that if (X,Y,Z) is a solution then (X/7,Y/7,Z/7) must be, this can't be true for any X>0, so means the only solution is (0,0,0).

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A nice alternative solution, full points!
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October 8th, 2021 at 4:11:32 PM permalink
Duplicate post.
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October 9th, 2021 at 2:32:08 AM permalink
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I saw this problem on Twitter -- it has a rather easy argument.... Find all solutions X, Y, Z in integers to: ...

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For all N: N2 is 0 or 1 mod 3 (consider all numbers are either 3n, 3n+1 or 3n-1)
For all N: N2 is 0, 1, 2 or 4 mod 7 (similarly consider 7n 7n+1 7n+2 7n+3 7n-3 7n-2 7n-1)
For all X: X2 is 0, 1, 4, 7, 9, 15, 16 or 18 mod 21
For all Y: 3*Y2 is 0, 3, 6 or 12 mod 21
For all Z: 7*Z2 is 0 or 7 mod 21
Also if N2 is divisible by 7 then so is N.
Since X2 (mod 21) = 3*Y2 (mod 21) + 7*Z2 (mod 21), the only combinations that work are (0,0,0) and (7,7,0)
Thus X2 is either 0 or 7 mod 21, ie X is divisible by 7.
Since 7*Z2 is divisible by 7 it follows 3*Y2 has to be divisible by 7 as well.
So X and Y have to be divisible by 7.

So X2 and Y2 are divisible by 49, this means Z2 is divisible by 7 meaning Z has to be as well.

This leads to the conclusion that if (X,Y,Z) is a solution then (X/7,Y/7,Z/7) must be, this can't be true for any X>0, so means the only solution is (0,0,0).

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A nice alternative solution, full points!
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Here is my proof of this problem using parametric equations

The equation (represents an elliptical cone) can be parametrized into a set of three equations:
X=r,
Y=r cos(t)/Sqrt(3),
Z=r sin(t)/Sqrt(7).
If X=r is a positive integer, Y and Z cannot be both integers simultaneously, because of their correlation.
This proof can be generalized to any quadratic equations with different coefficients.
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October 9th, 2021 at 4:47:12 AM permalink
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Quote: teliot

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Quote: teliot

I saw this problem on Twitter -- it has a rather easy argument.... Find all solutions X, Y, Z in integers to: ...

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For all N: N2 is 0 or 1 mod 3 (consider all numbers are either 3n, 3n+1 or 3n-1)
For all N: N2 is 0, 1, 2 or 4 mod 7 (similarly consider 7n 7n+1 7n+2 7n+3 7n-3 7n-2 7n-1)
For all X: X2 is 0, 1, 4, 7, 9, 15, 16 or 18 mod 21
For all Y: 3*Y2 is 0, 3, 6 or 12 mod 21
For all Z: 7*Z2 is 0 or 7 mod 21
Also if N2 is divisible by 7 then so is N.
Since X2 (mod 21) = 3*Y2 (mod 21) + 7*Z2 (mod 21), the only combinations that work are (0,0,0) and (7,7,0)
Thus X2 is either 0 or 7 mod 21, ie X is divisible by 7.
Since 7*Z2 is divisible by 7 it follows 3*Y2 has to be divisible by 7 as well.
So X and Y have to be divisible by 7.

So X2 and Y2 are divisible by 49, this means Z2 is divisible by 7 meaning Z has to be as well.

This leads to the conclusion that if (X,Y,Z) is a solution then (X/7,Y/7,Z/7) must be, this can't be true for any X>0, so means the only solution is (0,0,0).

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A nice alternative solution, full points!
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Here is my proof of this problem using parametric equations

The equation (represents an elliptical cone) can be parametrized into a set of three equations:
X=r,
Y=r cos(t)/Sqrt(3),
Z=r sin(t)/Sqrt(7).
If X=r is a positive integer, Y and Z cannot be both integers simultaneously, because of their correlation.
This proof can be generalized to any quadratic equations with different coefficients.

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This is just a restatement of the problem and it's not a proof. No points for you.
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October 9th, 2021 at 8:54:53 PM permalink
I am thinking in 2D. To have a non-zero integer solution, we must have tan(t)=sin(t)/cos(t)=m/n, as a fraction. In this problem, tan(t)=(m/n)Sqrt(7/3), is not a fraction; therefore, there is no solution.
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I am thinking in 2D. To have a non-zero integer solution, we must have tan(t)=sin(t)/cos(t)=m/n, as a fraction. In this problem, tan(t)=(m/n)Sqrt(7/3), is not a fraction; therefore, there is no solution.
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If this type of argument worked, it would also work if you changed the coefficient 3 to 2 in the equation. However, X^2=2Y^2+7Z^2 has non-trivial solutions, for example, X=3, Y=1, Z=1.
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I am thinking in 2D. To have a non-zero integer solution, we must have tan(t)=sin(t)/cos(t)=m/n, as a fraction. In this problem, tan(t)=(m/n)Sqrt(7/3), is not a fraction; therefore, there is no solution.
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If this type of argument worked, it would also work if you changed the coefficient 3 to 2 in the equation. However, X^2=2Y^2+7Z^2 has non-trivial solutions, for example, X=3, Y=1, Z=1.
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Interesting! For a general quadric surface equation x^2=a*y^2+b*z^2, what integer coefficients a and b can make non-zero integer solutions happen?
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I am thinking in 2D. To have a non-zero integer solution, we must have tan(t)=sin(t)/cos(t)=m/n, as a fraction. In this problem, tan(t)=(m/n)Sqrt(7/3), is not a fraction; therefore, there is no solution.
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If this type of argument worked, it would also work if you changed the coefficient 3 to 2 in the equation. However, X^2=2Y^2+7Z^2 has non-trivial solutions, for example, X=3, Y=1, Z=1.
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Interesting! For a general quadric surface equation x^2=a*y^2+b*z^2, what integer coefficients a and b can make non-zero integer solutions happen?
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I think this is due to the French mathematician Legendre.

First, we can reduce it to the case when neither of a, b is divisible by the square of an integer other than 1. If n^2 divides a and X=u, Y=v, Z=w is a solution of X^2=aY^2+bZ^2, then X=u, Y=nv, Z=w is a solution of X^2=(a/n^2)Y^2+bZ^2, and if X=r, Y=s, Z=t is a solution of X^2=(a/n^2)Y^2+bZ^2, then X=nr, Y=s, Z=nt is a solution of X^2=aY^2+bZ^2. Therefore X^2=aY^2+bZ^2 has a non-trivial integer solution if and only is X^2=(a/n^2)Y^2+bZ^2 has. Of course, we can do the same thing with b.

Let’s assume that neither of a, b is divisible by the square of an integer other than 1.
The equation X^2=aY^2+bZ^2 has a non-trivial integer solutions if and only if the following 4 conditions are satisfied:
(i) at least one of a, b is positive,
(ii) if p is an odd prime (i.e., other than 2) dividing a, then there exists an integer k such that k^2-b is divisible by p,
(iii) if p is an odd prime p dividing b, then there exists an integer k such that k^2-a is divisible by p,
(iv) At least one of a and b gives remainder 1 on division by 8, or their remainders are (2,2), (2,6), (6,2), (2,7), (7,2), (3,5), (5,3), (3,6), (6,3), (5,5) or (6,6).

It is relatively easy to prove that these conditions are necessary (search for quadratic residues and Legendre symbols) and it is easy to determine whether the integer k in (ii) and (iii) exists even for large primes, the hard part is to prove that if these conditions are satisfied, then there exists a non-trivial solution.
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October 11th, 2021 at 4:17:12 AM permalink
What is the area of a regular pentagon of side length 1?

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October 11th, 2021 at 8:20:30 AM permalink
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What is the area of a regular pentagon of side length 1?


I have a solution, but I should be able to reduce it:

The pentagon can be divided into five 54-72-54 triangles, each of which in turn can be divided
into two 54-36-90 right triangles, with the side opposite the 36-degree angle having length 1/2.
The side opposite the 54-degree angle has length 1/2 tan 54, so the area is 1/2 x 1/2 x (1/2 tan 54) = 1/8 tan 54.
There are 10 triangles, so the total area is 5/4 tan 54.

Let A be the area:
A = 5/4 tan 54
A^2 = 25/16 tan^2 54 = 25/16 sin^2 54 / cos^2 54
= 25/16 (1 - cos^2 54) / cos^2 54
= 25/16 (1 / cos^2 54 - 1)
= 25/16 (1 / sin^2 36 - 1)


In fact, I did solve this once when trying to prove a method of constructing a regular pentagon with straightedge and compass:

Let A be one of the vertices of the pentagon, and O the center of the circumscribing circle.
Construct diameter AQ of the circle centered at O, then construct perpendicular diameter PR.
Construct point M as the midpoint of OP.
Construct point X on MR such that PX = AM.
AX is the length of each side of the pentagon, so construct vertices B and E from A, C from B, and D from E.

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October 11th, 2021 at 8:58:51 AM permalink
Pretty good, Don! Next can you express the answer without trig functions?
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October 11th, 2021 at 9:09:50 AM permalink
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Pretty good, Don! Next can you express the answer without trig functions?
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Triangles ABC and ADC are similar.

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October 11th, 2021 at 9:53:03 AM permalink
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Pretty good, Don! Next can you express the answer without trig functions?
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Using the image in ChesterDog's hint:

x / (1 - x) = 1 / x
x^2 = 1 - x
x^2 + x - 1 = 0
x = -1/2 + sqrt(5)/2
x^2 = (3 - sqrt(5)) / 2
tan 54 = (1/2) / sqrt(x^2 - 1/4) = 1 / (2 sqrt(x^2 - 1/4)) = 1 / sqrt(5 - 2 sqrt(5))

Area = 5 / (4 sqrt(5 - 2 sqrt(5)))
= 5 sqrt(5 - 2 sqrt(5)) / (20 - 8 sqrt(5))
= (100 + 40 sqrt(5)) sqrt(5 - 2 sqrt(5)) / 80
= (5 + 2 sqrt(5)) sqrt(5 - 2 sqrt(5)) / 4

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October 11th, 2021 at 2:19:01 PM permalink
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Using the image in ChesterDog's hint:

x / (1 - x) = 1 / x
x^2 = 1 - x
x^2 + x - 1 = 0
x = -1/2 + sqrt(5)/2
x^2 = (3 - sqrt(5)) / 2
tan 54 = (1/2) / sqrt(x^2 - 1/4) = 1 / (2 sqrt(x^2 - 1/4)) = 1 / sqrt(5 - 2 sqrt(5))

Area = 5 / (4 sqrt(5 - 2 sqrt(5)))
= 5 sqrt(5 - 2 sqrt(5)) / (20 - 8 sqrt(5))
= (100 + 40 sqrt(5)) sqrt(5 - 2 sqrt(5)) / 80
= (5 + 2 sqrt(5)) sqrt(5 - 2 sqrt(5)) / 4


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I agree! I express the answer as...
(sqrt(5)/4)*sqrt(5+2*sqrt(5)) = apx. 1.7205
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Area = (5 + 2 sqrt(5)) sqrt(5 - 2 sqrt(5)) / 4


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I agree! I express the answer as...
(sqrt(5)/4)*sqrt(5+2*sqrt(5)) = apx. 1.7205

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For those of you wondering if the two answers are the same:

(5 + 2 sqrt(5)) sqrt(5 - 2 sqrt(5)) / 4
= sqrt(5 + 2 sqrt(5)) sqrt((5 + 2 sqrt(5))(5 - 2 sqrt(5))) / 4
= sqrt(5 + 2 sqrt(5)) sqrt(5^2 - (2 sqrt(5))^2) / 4
= sqrt(5 + 2 sqrt(5)) sqrt(25 - 20) / 4
= sqrt(5) / 4 * sqrt(5 + 2 sqrt(5))

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I think a better way to express the answer is...

sqrt(5*(5+2*sqrt(5))/4
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I think a better way to express the answer is...

sqrt(5*(5+2*sqrt(5))/4

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This is what I was trying to do before seeing the image hint:

sin 36 = 2 sin 18 cos 18 = 2 sin 18 sin 72 = 2 sin 18 (2 sin 36 cos 36) = 4 sin 18 sin 36 sin 54
1/4 = sin 18 sin 54
1/4 = sin (36 - 18) sin (36 + 18)
= (sin 36 cos 18 - cos 36 sin 18) (sin 36 cos 18 + cos 36 sin 18)
= sin^2 36 cos^2 18 - cos^2 36 sin^2 18
= sin^2 36 sin^2 72 - cos^2 36 cos^2 72
= sin^2 36 (2 sin 36 cos 36)^2 - (1 - sin^2 36) (1 - 2 sin^2 36)^2
= sin^2 36 * 4 sin^2 36 (1 - sin^2 36) - (1 - sin^2 36) (1 - 2 sin^2 36)^2
= (1 - sin^2 36) (4 sin^4 36 - 1 + 4 sin^2 36 - 4 sin^4 36)
= (1 - sin^2 36) (4 sin^2 36 - 1)
Let x = sin^2 36:
1/4 = (1 - x)(4x - 1) = -4 x^2 + 5 x - 1
-4 x^2 + 5 x - 5/4 = 0
16 x^2 - 20 x + 5 = 0
x = 5/8 ± sqrt(400 - 320)/32
x = (5 ± sqrt(5)) / 8
Since x = sin^2 36, x < 1, so x = (5 - sqrt(5)) / 8
sin^2 36 = (5 - sqrt(5)) / 8
cos^2 36 = (3 + sqrt(5)) / 8

The pentagon can be divided into five congruent triangles, each with base 1 and opposite angle 72 degrees; if h is the height, then tan 36 = (1/2) / h

tan 36 = (1/2) / h -> h = 1 / (2 tan 36)
Area A = 5 * (1/2 * 1 * 1 / (2 tan 36)) = 5 / (4 tan 36)
A^2 = 25 / 16 * cos^2 36 / sin^2 36
A^2 = 25 / 16 * (3 + sqrt(5)) / (5 - sqrt(5))
A^2 = 25 / 16 * (3 + sqrt(5))(5 + sqrt(5)) / 20
A^2 = 5 / 64 * (20 + 8 sqrt(5))
A^2 = (100 + 40 sqrt(5)) / 64
A^2 = (25 + 10 sqrt(5)) / 16
A = sqrt(25 + 10 sqrt(5)) / 4

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Problem #2
Hames Jarrison has just intercepted a pass at one end zone of a football field, and begins running — at a constant speed of 15 miles per hour — to the other end zone, 100 yards away.

At the moment he catches the ball, you are on the very same goal line, but on the other end of the field, 50 yards away from Jarrison. Caught up in the moment, you decide you will always run directly toward Jarrison’s current position, rather than plan ahead to meet him downfield along a more strategic course.

Assuming you run at a constant speed (i.e., don’t worry about any transient acceleration), how fast must you be in order to catch Jarrison before he scores a touchdown?
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Problem #2
Hames Jarrison has just intercepted a pass at one end zone of a football field, and begins running — at a constant speed of 15 miles per hour — to the other end zone, 100 yards away.

At the moment he catches the ball, you are on the very same goal line, but on the other end of the field, 50 yards away from Jarrison. Caught up in the moment, you decide you will always run directly toward Jarrison’s current position, rather than plan ahead to meet him downfield along a more strategic course.

Assuming you run at a constant speed (i.e., don’t worry about any transient acceleration), how fast must you be in order to catch Jarrison before he scores a touchdown?

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I overlooked that one. Give me a week on this one. I think it necessitates differential equations to do in closed form.
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Find all values of N such that N! + (N+1)! + (N+2)! is a perfect square.
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N! + (N + 1)! + (N + 2)! = N! (1 + (N + 1) + (N + 1)(N + 2)) = N! (N + 2)^2
Therefore, the sum is a perfect square if and only if N! is a perfect square.

As far as I know, the only factorials that are perfect squares are 0! and 1!, so N = 0 and N = 1 are the only solutions.
I am not sure that all factorials > 1! are not squares has been proven; it depends on something called Bertrand's postulate (for all integers N >= 2, there is at least one prime number greater than N and less than 2N).

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N! + (N + 1)! + (N + 2)! = N! (1 + (N + 1) + (N + 1)(N + 2)) = N! (N + 2)^2
Therefore, the sum is a perfect square if and only if N! is a perfect square.

As far as I know, the only factorials that are perfect squares are 0! and 1!, so N = 0 and N = 1 are the only solutions.
I am not sure that all factorials > 1! are not squares has been proven; it depends on something called Bertrand's postulate (for all integers N >= 2, there is at least one prime number greater than N and less than 2N).


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Bertrands postulate is true. I actually presented the proof to one of my classes back in 1984. But yes, you can use that result and get the answer. I wonder if you don't need to though. You know, use an atom bomb to smash an ant.
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Obviously it doesn't work for 2 (2, 12) or 5 (5 33), 7 (7 57), but does work for 3 (3 17 31).
What is interesting is any prime greater than 3 is of the form (3n+1) or (3n-1), so p2+8 will be (3n+/-1)*(3n+/-1)+8 = 9n2+/-6n+1+8, or 3xsomething+9, which is divisible by 3.
Hence only p=3 satisfies the first part. So the statement is true as the only value can be p=3.
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Obviously it doesn't work for 2 (2, 12) or 5 (5 33), 7 (7 57), but does work for 3 (3 17 31).
What is interesting is any prime greater than 3 is of the form (3n+1) or (3n-1), so p2+8 will be (3n+/-1)*(3n+/-1)+8 = 9n2+/-6n+1+8, or 3xsomething+9, which is divisible by 3.
Hence only p=3 satisfies the first part. So the statement is true as the only value can be p=3.

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Exactly! I hope others try this problem and don't look at your solution. There is a good lesson here.
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All primes >5 are congruent with 1or5mod(6), also written as ∓1mod(6). This is basically equivalent to saying that primes are not divisible by 2 or 3.

If a prime p is congruent with +1mod(6), then p3 must be congruent with +3mod(6) and p3+4 is of the form +1mod(6) and thus is not forbidden to be a prime. Similarly if p is congruent with -1mod(6), then p3+4 is congruent with +1mod(6) and may possibly be prime.

But, the problem statement requires that both p and p2+8 must be prime. Since p is congruent with ∓1mod(6) then p2 must be congruent with either ∓2mod(6) and p2+8 must be congruent with either 0mod(6) or 4mod 6. Thus , the only way that p2+8 can be prime is if p is 5 or less. Testing p=2,3,5, it appears that p=3 is the only solution for the initial conditions.

So given that p=3 is the only possible value of p, I note that p3+4 =27 +4=31, which is indeed prime.
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N! + (N + 1)! + (N + 2)! = N! (1 + (N + 1) + (N + 1)(N + 2)) = N! (N + 2)^2
Therefore, the sum is a perfect square if and only if N! is a perfect square.

As far as I know, the only factorials that are perfect squares are 0! and 1!, so N = 0 and N = 1 are the only solutions.
I am not sure that all factorials > 1! are not squares has been proven; it depends on something called Bertrand's postulate (for all integers N >= 2, there is at least one prime number greater than N and less than 2N).


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Bertrands postulate is true. I actually presented the proof to one of my classes back in 1984. But yes, you can use that result and get the answer. I wonder if you don't need to though. You know, use an atom bomb to smash an ant.
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Your use of, "I wonder if you don't need to though," leads me to believe that you don't have a solution, or at least one that doesn't depend on Bertrand's Postulate.

Let P be the largest prime number <= N. By the Fundamental Theorem of Arithmetic, if N! is a square, then P must appear an even number of times in N!'s prime factorization. This means that 2P <= N, as otherwise P will appear only once. Since P being the largest prime number <= N is given, this means that there are no primes from P+1 to 2P inclusive, which contradicts Bertrand's Postulate.

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All primes >5 are congruent with 1or5mod(6), also written as ∓1mod(6). This is basically equivalent to saying that primes are not divisible by 2 or 3.

If a prime p is congruent with +1mod(6), then p3 must be congruent with +3mod(6) and p3+4 is of the form +1mod(6) and thus is not forbidden to be a prime. Similarly if p is congruent with -1mod(6), then p3+4 is congruent with +1mod(6) and may possibly be prime.

But, the problem statement requires that both p and p2+8 must be prime. Since p is congruent with ∓1mod(6) then p2 must be congruent with either ∓2mod(6) and p2+8 must be congruent with either 0mod(6) or 4mod 6. Thus , the only way that p2+8 can be prime is if p is 5 or less. Testing p=2,3,5, it appears that p=3 is the only solution for the initial conditions.

So given that p=3 is the only possible value of p, I note that p3+4 =27 +4=31, which is indeed prime.

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All primes >5 are congruent with 1or5mod(6), also written as ∓1mod(6). This is basically equivalent to saying that primes are not divisible by 2 or 3.

If a prime p is congruent with +1mod(6), then p3 must be congruent with +3mod(6) and p3+4 is of the form +1mod(6) and thus is not forbidden to be a prime. Similarly if p is congruent with -1mod(6), then p3+4 is congruent with +1mod(6) and may possibly be prime.

But, the problem statement requires that both p and p2+8 must be prime. Since p is congruent with ∓1mod(6) then p2 must be congruent with either ∓2mod(6) and p2+8 must be congruent with either 0mod(6) or 4mod 6. Thus , the only way that p2+8 can be prime is if p is 5 or less. Testing p=2,3,5, it appears that p=3 is the only solution for the initial conditions.

So given that p=3 is the only possible value of p, I note that p3+4 =27 +4=31, which is indeed prime.

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Your claim that if p is congruent to 1 mod 6 then p3 must be congruent with +3mod(6) is false. For example, p = 7, then p is congruent to 1 mod 6. Note that 7^3 = 343 is also congruent to 1 mod 6.

Your claim that if p is congruent to 1 mod 6 then p2 must be congruent with either ∓2mod(6) is also false. Again, p = 7, then 7^2 = 49 is congruent to 1 mod 6. Note that integers of the form ∓2mod(6) are always even, whereas any power of p is odd, so such a congruence could never be possible.

In general, if p is congruent to 1 mod 6 then all power of p will also be congruent to 1 mod 6.

You get a point for effort and another point for the correct answer (without a valid argument why it's correct), but that's all the points you get on this.
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N! + (N + 1)! + (N + 2)! = N! (1 + (N + 1) + (N + 1)(N + 2)) = N! (N + 2)^2
Therefore, the sum is a perfect square if and only if N! is a perfect square.

As far as I know, the only factorials that are perfect squares are 0! and 1!, so N = 0 and N = 1 are the only solutions.
I am not sure that all factorials > 1! are not squares has been proven; it depends on something called Bertrand's postulate (for all integers N >= 2, there is at least one prime number greater than N and less than 2N).


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Bertrands postulate is true. I actually presented the proof to one of my classes back in 1984. But yes, you can use that result and get the answer. I wonder if you don't need to though. You know, use an atom bomb to smash an ant.
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Your use of, "I wonder if you don't need to though," leads me to believe that you don't have a solution, or at least one that doesn't depend on Bertrand's Postulate.

Let P be the largest prime number <= N. By the Fundamental Theorem of Arithmetic, if N! is a square, then P must appear an even number of times in N!'s prime factorization. This means that 2P <= N, as otherwise P will appear only once. Since P being the largest prime number <= N is given, this means that there are no primes from P+1 to 2P inclusive, which contradicts Bertrand's Postulate.

Yeah, sadly, it does seem to require Bertrand's Postulate. I would have thought there would be an easier proof. I searched the Intertubey thing and came up empty of an elementary proof.
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Show that if p and p^2 + 8 are both primes, then p^3 + 4 is also a prime.
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All primes >5 are congruent with 1or5mod(6), also written as ∓1mod(6). This is basically equivalent to saying that primes are not divisible by 2 or 3.

If a prime p is congruent with +1mod(6), then p3 must be congruent with +3mod(6) and p3+4 is of the form +1mod(6) and thus is not forbidden to be a prime. Similarly if p is congruent with -1mod(6), then p3+4 is congruent with +1mod(6) and may possibly be prime.

But, the problem statement requires that both p and p2+8 must be prime. Since p is congruent with ∓1mod(6) then p2 must be congruent with either ∓2mod(6) and p2+8 must be congruent with either 0mod(6) or 4mod 6. Thus , the only way that p2+8 can be prime is if p is 5 or less. Testing p=2,3,5, it appears that p=3 is the only solution for the initial conditions.

So given that p=3 is the only possible value of p, I note that p3+4 =27 +4=31, which is indeed prime.

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Your claim that if p is congruent to 1 mod 6 then p3 must be congruent with +3mod(6) is false. For example, p = 7, then p is congruent to 1 mod 6. Note that 7^3 = 343 is also congruent to 1 mod 6.

Your claim that if p is congruent to 1 mod 6 then p2 must be congruent with either ∓2mod(6) is also false. Again, p = 7, then 7^2 = 49 is congruent to 1 mod 6. Note that integers of the form ∓2mod(6) are always even, whereas any power of p is odd, so such a congruence could never be possible.

In general, if p is congruent to 1 mod 6 then all power of p will also be congruent to 1 mod 6.

You get a point for effort and another point for the correct answer (without a valid argument why it's correct), but that's all the points you get on this.
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Dang, didn't realize how rusty I am on modular arithmetic. I almost never use it. I need to study up.
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The question about N! not being a perfect square for N >= 2 leads to a question that I don't know the answer to. Here goes.

For any integer N, consider the list of all primes that are in the half-open interval (N/2,N]. Call them p1, p2, p3 ... , pk. The question is, for which N is N!/(p1*p2*p3*...*pk) a perfect square? In other words, divide N! by all the primes greater than N/2 and less than or equal to N (the Bertrand's Postulate primes) and ask if what's leftover is a perfect square.

Here are the five examples I found searching N <= 22 (the largest N for which Excel accurately computes N!).

With N = 6, then we divide 6! by 5 and 6!/5 = 144 is a perfect square.
With N = 7, then we divide 7! by 5*7 = 35 and get 7!/35 = 144, again a perfect square.
With N = 10, then we divide 10! by 7 (the only prime in the interval (5,10]) and get 10!/7 = 518400 = 720^2 is a perfect square.
With N = 11, then we divide 11! by 11*7 and again get 10!/7 = 518400 = 720^2.
With N = 20, then we divide 20! by 19*17*13*11 and get 52672757760000 = 7257600^2.

Any others? Infinitely many? This isn't in the OEIS (at least that I can find).
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For any integer N, consider the list of all primes that are in the half-open interval (N/2,N]. Call them p1, p2, p3 ... , pk. The question is, for which N is N!/(p1*p2*p3*...*pk) a perfect square? In other words, divide N! by all the primes greater than N/2 and less than or equal to N (the Bertrand's Postulate primes) and ask if what's leftover is a perfect square.

Any others? Infinitely many? This isn't in the OEIS (at least that I can find).
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I wrote something that can calculate for larger numbers, and have not found any others for any N < 2000.
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Here's an approach that you can do with excel for a while, I'm not sure whether one can generalise a pattern, I've done this by hand (so please excuse me if there are any typos).

Consider each of the numbers 1 thru N; for each number for each prime list how many factors of that prime there are in the number.
So the table would start

--- 2 3 5 7 11 13 17 ...
1
2 1
3 0 1
4 2 0
5 0 0 1
6 1 1
7 0 0 0 1
8 3
9 0 2
10 1 0 1

Then count up how many factors are in N! by adding up the columns for each prime number.
You'll get a pattern ...
2357111317192329
10000000000
21000000000
31100000000
43100000000
53110000000
64210000000
74211000000
87211000000
97411000000
108421000000
118421100000
1210521100000
1310521110000
1411522110000
1511632110000
1615632110000
1715632111000
1816832111000
1916832111100
2018842111100
2118943111100
2219943211100
2319943211110
24221043211110
25221063211110
26231063221110
27231363221110
28251364221110
29251364221111
30261474221111
31261474221111
32311474221111
33311574321111
34321574322111
35321585322111
36341785322111

Considering a prime which is greater than N/2, it can only appear once in the list, so will have a "1" in its column. For a number (e.g. 11) it will have a 2 for 22 thru 32 then 4 for 44 thru 54 until 112.

So the question is whether other primes less than N/2 will have an even number or odd. (If they're all even then the N!/(primes>N/2) would be a square - as see in 6 10 and 20. 7, 11 are special cases of being able to add a prime N to (N-1)! )

I suspect you can derive a formula for the pattern (e.g. 11 has a 1 by 11,22,... until 112 etc. until 113 etc.)
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From Riddler 538 comes this pair of football puzzles...



Problem #2
Hames Jarrison has just intercepted a pass at one end zone of a football field, and begins running — at a constant speed of 15 miles per hour — to the other end zone, 100 yards away.

At the moment he catches the ball, you are on the very same goal line, but on the other end of the field, 50 yards away from Jarrison. Caught up in the moment, you decide you will always run directly toward Jarrison’s current position, rather than plan ahead to meet him downfield along a more strategic course.

Assuming you run at a constant speed (i.e., don’t worry about any transient acceleration), how fast must you be in order to catch Jarrison before he scores a touchdown?
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Since it's an easy math problem, I used an easy method of numerical approximation. I started at (0, 50) and Jarrison started at (0, 0). Starting at t = 0 seconds, I ran toward (0,0). Starting at t = 0.0025 seconds, I ran toward the position reached by Jarrison at t = 0.0025 seconds, which was (0.1833, 0), and so on until Jarrison and I reached (100, 0) simultaneously.

This method gave me an answer of about 19.21 miles per hour.
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......Which draft position should you choose to maximize your expected fantasy score?...

Pick B.

A's best strategy is to pick QB400. B has a choice of QB350 or RB300.
(i) In the former C is now guaranteed QB300 so picks RB300 and WR250, B will choose WR225 over RB225. A=800, B=775, C=850.
(ii) In the latter C chooses QB350 and RB250, B then chooses WR225 and will eventually get QB300. A=800, B=825, C=800.

So by choosing B and RB300 you get 825.

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Problem #2
Hames Jarrison has just intercepted a pass at one end zone of a football field, and begins running — at a constant speed of 15 miles per hour — to the other end zone, 100 yards away.

At the moment he catches the ball, you are on the very same goal line, but on the other end of the field, 50 yards away from Jarrison. Caught up in the moment, you decide you will always run directly toward Jarrison’s current position, rather than plan ahead to meet him downfield along a more strategic course.

Assuming you run at a constant speed (i.e., don’t worry about any transient acceleration), how fast must you be in order to catch Jarrison before he scores a touchdown?
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Since it's an easy math problem, I used an easy method of numerical approximation. I started at (0, 50) and Jarrison started at (0, 0). Starting at t = 0 seconds, I ran toward (0,0). Starting at t = 0.0025 seconds, I ran toward the position reached by Jarrison at t = 0.0025 seconds, which was (0.1833, 0), and so on until Jarrison and I reached (100, 0) simultaneously.

This method gave me an answer of about 19.21 miles per hour.

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Problem #1
Here’s what Riddler Nation had to say:

19.9 percent of readers said they would draft first.
62.3 percent of readers said they would draft second.
17.7 percent of readers said they would draft third.

The majority opted to draft second. But was that the best strategy?

At first glance, some readers thought Osh Jallen (350 points) was a better pick than Caffrey McChristian (300 points). However, missing out on Jallen meant you could grab Myler Kurray, who was only 50 points lower. Meanwhile, missing out on McChristian meant that your running back, at best, was 75 points lower. So while Jallen had more expected points, McChristian was the more valuable pick in the draft.

To better make sense of this, it was helpful to rescale all the expected point values, as solver Johnny of Toronto, Canada, did. All that mattered were the relative differences between the scores. One way to rescale them was to say that the lowest-scoring player at each position was worth 0 points, and that every 25 “original” points were worth 1 “rescaled” point. That meant the quarterbacks (QBs) were respectively worth 4, 2 and 0 points; the running backs (RBs) were worth 4, 1 and 0 points; and the wide receivers (WRs) were worth 3, 2 and 0 points.

Person A’s best move was to grab one of the 4-pointers — either the top QB or the top RB. Suppose they picked the top QB, which meant B picked the top RB, giving them 4 points apiece. From there, C would pick the top WR for 3 points as well as the second QB for 2 points, netting them 5 points in total (since the third picks were all worth 0 points). Because of the snake draft ordering, B got the next pick. They would have snagged the top remaining player, which was the second WR for another 2 points. Finally, A would have drafted the second RB for 1 point. During the final round, each person would have drafted the position they needed to complete their roster. For this scenario, the final result was: 5 points for A, 6 points for B and 5 points for C.

Drafting second was looking good so far. But what if person A had opted for the other 4-pointer, the top RB?

In this case, B would have taken the top QB. The picks for C would have remained the same: the top WR and the second QB, for a total of 5 points. Once again, B then picked the second WR. At this point, the top player left on the board was the second RB. However, A had already drafted an RB, meaning they had to select either the 0-pointer QB or WR. In the end, the result was: 4 points for A, 7 points for B and 5 points for C. As noted by solver Jane Steele of Santa Clara, California, this outcome was worse for A, so we expected A to take the top QB rather than the top RB with their first pick.

In the end, person B came out on top, which meant picking second in the draft was indeed your best option. Returning to the original point scale, that meant A and C both had 800 points, while B had 825 points. With a team of McChristian, Kurray and Hyreek Till, drafting second would indeed have made you unstoppable.
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Problem #2
First off, as noted by solvers Christopher Green and Jenny Mitchell, this pursuit problem was very similar to a prior riddle about an angry ram that chased you out of a pen. Yours truly almost took home that week’s coolest extension award, losing out to Lex K.

Solver Chris Sears used approximation methods to numerically determine the speed that would just catch Jarrison. As you can see from the animation below, Chris found your speed had to be somewhere around 19.2 miles per hour.
[Sorry, not animated]


Several solvers, like Dan Swenson, Rajeev Pakalapati and Laurent Lessard, were able to find more precise solutions by setting up differential equations to describe the motion of you and Jarrison and then solving these equations using calculus.

As with the riddle of the ram from five years ago, it was also possible to solve without using calculus, as demonstrated by Allen Gu. Allen noted the similar triangles formed by your velocity and Jarrison’s velocity at any given moment, shown below.



This meant the ratio of your vertical speed (i.e., in the direction from one end zone to the other) to his total speed was equal to the ratio of Jarrison’s speed away from you to his actual speed running down the sideline.

Before moving further, let’s rescale the field and the speeds. Suppose your starting position is (0, 0), while Jarrison starts at (1, 0) and is moving toward (0, 2). Then suppose Jarrison’s speed is 1 and your speed is v. (The final solution will then be v multiplied by 15 miles per hour.)

The initial distance between you and Jarrison was 1, which fell to zero by the time you caught him at the goal line at time 2. During this time, you pursued him at speed v, bringing you closer by a distance 2v. However, Jarrison was also running away from you by a net distance of 2/v. (You can show this by integrating your vertical speed over time, which had to come out to a distance of 2, and then scaling down by a factor of v.) Writing these changes in distance as an equation, Allen found that it was quadratic: 1 = 2v−2/v, or 2v2−v−2 = 0.

Applying the quadratic formula, v came out to be (1+√17)/4. Scaling back to the original values of the problem, your speed had to be this many times greater than 15 miles per hour, or about 19.2116 miles per hour — very nearly the result from Chris’s approximation.

Jarrison had better hope that your name isn’t Usain Bolt or Tyreek Hill. But maybe they’ll be too busy racing each other to worry about catching Jarrison.

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October 13th, 2021 at 6:52:13 PM permalink
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......Which draft position should you choose to maximize your expected fantasy score?...

Pick B.

A's best strategy is to pick QB400. B has a choice of QB350 or RB300.
(i) In the former C is now guaranteed QB300 so picks RB300 and WR250, B will choose WR225 over RB225. A=800, B=775, C=850.
(ii) In the latter C chooses QB350 and RB250, B then chooses WR225 and will eventually get QB300. A=800, B=825, C=800.

So by choosing B and RB300 you get 825.

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Still in play...

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From Riddler 538 comes this pair of football puzzles...



Problem #2
Hames Jarrison has just intercepted a pass at one end zone of a football field, and begins running — at a constant speed of 15 miles per hour — to the other end zone, 100 yards away.

At the moment he catches the ball, you are on the very same goal line, but on the other end of the field, 50 yards away from Jarrison. Caught up in the moment, you decide you will always run directly toward Jarrison’s current position, rather than plan ahead to meet him downfield along a more strategic course.

Assuming you run at a constant speed (i.e., don’t worry about any transient acceleration), how fast must you be in order to catch Jarrison before he scores a touchdown?
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Since it's an easy math problem, I used an easy method of numerical approximation. I started at (0, 50) and Jarrison started at (0, 0). Starting at t = 0 seconds, I ran toward (0,0). Starting at t = 0.0025 seconds, I ran toward the position reached by Jarrison at t = 0.0025 seconds, which was (0.1833, 0), and so on until Jarrison and I reached (100, 0) simultaneously.

This method gave me an answer of about 19.21 miles per hour.

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Correct!!

Problem #1
Here’s what Riddler Nation had to say:

19.9 percent of readers said they would draft first.
62.3 percent of readers said they would draft second.
17.7 percent of readers said they would draft third.

The majority opted to draft second. But was that the best strategy?

At first glance, some readers thought Osh Jallen (350 points) was a better pick than Caffrey McChristian (300 points). However, missing out on Jallen meant you could grab Myler Kurray, who was only 50 points lower. Meanwhile, missing out on McChristian meant that your running back, at best, was 75 points lower. So while Jallen had more expected points, McChristian was the more valuable pick in the draft.

To better make sense of this, it was helpful to rescale all the expected point values, as solver Johnny of Toronto, Canada, did. All that mattered were the relative differences between the scores. One way to rescale them was to say that the lowest-scoring player at each position was worth 0 points, and that every 25 “original” points were worth 1 “rescaled” point. That meant the quarterbacks (QBs) were respectively worth 4, 2 and 0 points; the running backs (RBs) were worth 4, 1 and 0 points; and the wide receivers (WRs) were worth 3, 2 and 0 points.

Person A’s best move was to grab one of the 4-pointers — either the top QB or the top RB. Suppose they picked the top QB, which meant B picked the top RB, giving them 4 points apiece. From there, C would pick the top WR for 3 points as well as the second QB for 2 points, netting them 5 points in total (since the third picks were all worth 0 points). Because of the snake draft ordering, B got the next pick. They would have snagged the top remaining player, which was the second WR for another 2 points. Finally, A would have drafted the second RB for 1 point. During the final round, each person would have drafted the position they needed to complete their roster. For this scenario, the final result was: 5 points for A, 6 points for B and 5 points for C.

Drafting second was looking good so far. But what if person A had opted for the other 4-pointer, the top RB?

In this case, B would have taken the top QB. The picks for C would have remained the same: the top WR and the second QB, for a total of 5 points. Once again, B then picked the second WR. At this point, the top player left on the board was the second RB. However, A had already drafted an RB, meaning they had to select either the 0-pointer QB or WR. In the end, the result was: 4 points for A, 7 points for B and 5 points for C. As noted by solver Jane Steele of Santa Clara, California, this outcome was worse for A, so we expected A to take the top QB rather than the top RB with their first pick.

In the end, person B came out on top, which meant picking second in the draft was indeed your best option. Returning to the original point scale, that meant A and C both had 800 points, while B had 825 points. With a team of McChristian, Kurray and Hyreek Till, drafting second would indeed have made you unstoppable.
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Problem #2
First off, as noted by solvers Christopher Green and Jenny Mitchell, this pursuit problem was very similar to a prior riddle about an angry ram that chased you out of a pen. Yours truly almost took home that week’s coolest extension award, losing out to Lex K.

Solver Chris Sears used approximation methods to numerically determine the speed that would just catch Jarrison. As you can see from the animation below, Chris found your speed had to be somewhere around 19.2 miles per hour.
[Sorry, not animated]


Several solvers, like Dan Swenson, Rajeev Pakalapati and Laurent Lessard, were able to find more precise solutions by setting up differential equations to describe the motion of you and Jarrison and then solving these equations using calculus.

As with the riddle of the ram from five years ago, it was also possible to solve without using calculus, as demonstrated by Allen Gu. Allen noted the similar triangles formed by your velocity and Jarrison’s velocity at any given moment, shown below.



This meant the ratio of your vertical speed (i.e., in the direction from one end zone to the other) to his total speed was equal to the ratio of Jarrison’s speed away from you to his actual speed running down the sideline.

Before moving further, let’s rescale the field and the speeds. Suppose your starting position is (0, 0), while Jarrison starts at (1, 0) and is moving toward (0, 2). Then suppose Jarrison’s speed is 1 and your speed is v. (The final solution will then be v multiplied by 15 miles per hour.)

The initial distance between you and Jarrison was 1, which fell to zero by the time you caught him at the goal line at time 2. During this time, you pursued him at speed v, bringing you closer by a distance 2v. However, Jarrison was also running away from you by a net distance of 2/v. (You can show this by integrating your vertical speed over time, which had to come out to a distance of 2, and then scaling down by a factor of v.) Writing these changes in distance as an equation, Allen found that it was quadratic: 1 = 2v−2/v, or 2v2−v−2 = 0.

Applying the quadratic formula, v came out to be (1+√17)/4. Scaling back to the original values of the problem, your speed had to be this many times greater than 15 miles per hour, or about 19.2116 miles per hour — very nearly the result from Chris’s approximation.

Jarrison had better hope that your name isn’t Usain Bolt or Tyreek Hill. But maybe they’ll be too busy racing each other to worry about catching Jarrison.

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Tom Brady is an optimistic type of player.

He sees the football as being half full.
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My exact answer:
Your trace (I guessed) is a quarter of an ellipse with equation (x/100)^2 + (y/50)^2=1.
The arc length of this trace is 121.1 yards, calculated from Integral Calculator.
The time you used t=100/15 yard/(mile/hour).
Therefore, your speed is: 121.1 yard /t= 18.17 mile/hour
Is this correct?
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October 13th, 2021 at 7:52:32 PM permalink
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I am thinking in 2D. To have a non-zero integer solution, we must have tan(t)=sin(t)/cos(t)=m/n, as a fraction. In this problem, tan(t)=(m/n)Sqrt(7/3), is not a fraction; therefore, there is no solution.
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If this type of argument worked, it would also work if you changed the coefficient 3 to 2 in the equation. However, X^2=2Y^2+7Z^2 has non-trivial solutions, for example, X=3, Y=1, Z=1.
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Interesting! For a general quadric surface equation x^2=a*y^2+b*z^2, what integer coefficients a and b can make non-zero integer solutions happen?
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I think this is due to the French mathematician Legendre.

First, we can reduce it to the case when neither of a, b is divisible by the square of an integer other than 1. If n^2 divides a and X=u, Y=v, Z=w is a solution of X^2=aY^2+bZ^2, then X=u, Y=nv, Z=w is a solution of X^2=(a/n^2)Y^2+bZ^2, and if X=r, Y=s, Z=t is a solution of X^2=(a/n^2)Y^2+bZ^2, then X=nr, Y=s, Z=nt is a solution of X^2=aY^2+bZ^2. Therefore X^2=aY^2+bZ^2 has a non-trivial integer solution if and only is X^2=(a/n^2)Y^2+bZ^2 has. Of course, we can do the same thing with b.

Let’s assume that neither of a, b is divisible by the square of an integer other than 1.
The equation X^2=aY^2+bZ^2 has a non-trivial integer solutions if and only if the following 4 conditions are satisfied:
(i) at least one of a, b is positive,
(ii) if p is an odd prime (i.e., other than 2) dividing a, then there exists an integer k such that k^2-b is divisible by p,
(iii) if p is an odd prime p dividing b, then there exists an integer k such that k^2-a is divisible by p,
(iv) At least one of a and b gives remainder 1 on division by 8, or their remainders are (2,2), (2,6), (6,2), (2,7), (7,2), (3,5), (5,3), (3,6), (6,3), (5,5) or (6,6).

It is relatively easy to prove that these conditions are necessary (search for quadratic residues and Legendre symbols) and it is easy to determine whether the integer k in (ii) and (iii) exists even for large primes, the hard part is to prove that if these conditions are satisfied, then there exists a non-trivial solution.
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Your statement is very long. Can we just list out all these little ones? Like this:
(0,1), (0,4), (0,9), (0,16), (0,25), (0,36), (0,49), (0,64)...;
(1,1), (1,2), (1,3), (1,6);
(2,2), (2, 6), (2,7);
(3,5), (3,6);
(4,4), (4,8);
(5,5);
(6,6)
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October 14th, 2021 at 12:03:48 PM permalink
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For any integer N, consider the list of all primes that are in the half-open interval (N/2,N]. Call them p1, p2, p3 ... , pk. The question is, for which N is N!/(p1*p2*p3*...*pk) a perfect square? In other words, divide N! by all the primes greater than N/2 and less than or equal to N (the Bertrand's Postulate primes) and ask if what's leftover is a perfect square.

Any others? Infinitely many? This isn't in the OEIS (at least that I can find).
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I wrote something that can calculate for larger numbers, and have not found any others for any N < 2000.
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Update: no other solutions for N <= 3300. I stopped there as it is taking about 12 seconds to check each further number.
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