Gatos
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July 23rd, 2019 at 7:41:28 AM permalink
Hello everyone. I play BJ thinking that the best strategy is to always hit at 16 against the dealer's 10 (no counting). Today I found Wizzard of odds Blackjack Hand Calculator tool and I found that the best strategy is to stand at 16 if it is with more than 2 cards that do not include A.

Where am I wrong?

p.s. Sorry for my english, I use google translate for this post.
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July 23rd, 2019 at 8:36:33 AM permalink
The math shows you are wrong. You can lay out a few thousand hands or you can accept the math as has been worked out over hundreds of billions of hands. Thanks to the work of many dedicated researchers, we can easily find the expected value of any and every combination of cards.
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July 23rd, 2019 at 8:58:14 AM permalink
As a very general rule, if your multicard 16 has a "6' in it is generally better to Hit.
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July 23rd, 2019 at 9:05:35 AM permalink
If standing on hard 16 versus dealer 10 is what one should do with more than 2 cards this has in a way to do with tracking or counting then because otherwise it wouldn't make any difference whether the hard 16 landed with two cards or ten.

However another question is - and again just playing basic strategy - player two card hard 12 against dealer 2 or 3 up. Hit once only, or depending on what card lands that doesn't bust or create a pat hand, hit again? The answer to this relates to the above too in a way.
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Gatos
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July 23rd, 2019 at 10:41:17 AM permalink
So the Wizzard of odds Blackjack Hand Calculator tool is wrong. Thank you all for replying.
unJon
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July 23rd, 2019 at 10:43:50 AM permalink
Quote: Gatos

So the Wizzard of odds Blackjack Hand Calculator tool is wrong. Thank you all for replying.


16 vs T is such a close decision that the composition of the hand and other hands at the table can tip the decision. One rule of thumb is to not hit a 16 into a T if you hand contains any 4 or 5.

Another interesting composition dependent hand is 12 vs 4. Answer is different for 10 and deuce vs 9 and 3 or 8 and 4, etc.
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July 23rd, 2019 at 11:02:00 AM permalink
Am I wrong to understand that you confuse best strategy with basic strategy?
And that your responders deliberately confuse you further by confusing perfect with relevantly optimal strategy?

If the difference in EV is so small that you have to delve into the composition of the exposed cards, then for all practical purposes you may confidently opt for whatever action you prefer.
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Gatos
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July 23rd, 2019 at 11:43:25 AM permalink
Quote: kubikulann

Am I wrong to understand that you confuse best strategy with basic strategy?


When you don't counting, the best strategy isn't the basic strategy? I tried everything but I can not show you my screenshots even though I have experience in forums. I can not even put the link of Wizzard of odds Blackjack Hand Calculator tool. Βut you can try it yourself. I was wrong about the A at op. Blackjack Hand Calculator tool says that sometimes the suggested action is stand even if included Α in the multicard 16.

Example (6 decks):
Dealer 10
Player 9 3 2 A A

Stand -0.573075
Hit -0.574042
Gatos
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July 23rd, 2019 at 11:52:21 AM permalink
Quote: unJon

16 vs T is such a close decision that the composition of the hand and other hands at the table can tip the decision. One rule of thumb is to not hit a 16 into a T if you hand contains any 4 or 5.


Ιn accordance with the Wizzard of odds Blackjack Hand Calculator tool, as I have shown with the example above, the optimal movement for 16 against dealers 10 is to stand if it is multicard 16 even if it is not included 4 or 5.
kubikulann
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July 23rd, 2019 at 11:57:12 AM permalink
Quote: Gatos

When you don't counting, the best strategy isn't the basic strategy?

No.
Basic does not take into account the composition of hands (except for aces) and the other exposed cards. Just your total and the dealerís card.

Wizards calculator goes further, it is not basic.

If you can, Surrender a dealt 16 against a 10.
-0.5 is better than -0.57
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