Niu Niu
As to offering a zero house edge game, I have heard the casinos in Cambodia are not quite as savvy as they are in Las Vegas. As I recall, a friend of mine who visited a large casino there said the gift shop didn't even sell bottled water.
I hope this won't come off as an insult, but it is no big secret that Khmer Rouge rounded up and killed anyone deemed an intellectual. This could be evidenced by just wearing glasses. Shall we say that this has policy may have resulted in some "brain drain." Present company excepted, of course.
Thanks for the extra 1 deck analysis on the double bet. It is almost the same as here except we do not take 5% on 1-6 and no Niu. We only take 5% on 7-9(2-1) and 10(3-1). Would that change the house hold by much?
Yes 1 to 6 0.95 0.209773 0.199284
Yes No Niu 0.95 0.056418 0.053597
Later i will send you some info on some other games here that you might find interesting.
Andrew
Quote: andrew888Agreed. I worked in a Casino about 10 years ago that had two blackjack tables. The house edge was about 0.5% but but over a period of several years we would hold about 30% of the drop.
That could be attributed to lots of things. I've always thought the industry put too much emphasis on drop percentage. However, here in Vegas it is more like 10% to 15% in blackjack.
Quote: andrew888There is an interesting game using a weighted ping pong ball and a perspex box with a cone on top. You stand back and throw the ball into the cone. the ball goes into the box and at the bottom there is a grid of numbers. It's a bit like french bull or those laughing clowns at a carnival.
I'm open to hearing about other casino games in Cambodia. The one you mention sounds kind of like a charity gambling game I've seen in the US, where a basketball rolls around a grid and eventually lands in a particular color. Before all this, players place bets on the various colors.
Quote: WizardI'm open to hearing about other casino games in Cambodia. The one you mention sounds kind of like a charity gambling game I've seen in the US, where a basketball rolls around a grid and eventually lands in a particular color. Before all this, players place bets on the various colors.
What's a "perspex" box?
I have seen the basketball game the Wizard describes done at least three different ways:
- A square grid matrix made of ~8 foot long 1"x4" boards interwoven on the 1" edge so that there are a bunch of ~2" squares.
- A grid of tumblers set edge to edge.
and my favorite:
- A grid composed of rectangular muffin tins.
In each case the "holes" were painted a variety of colors in what appeared to be random positions, with two or three bigger winners spread across the grid, but never on an edge. Players are allowed to roll the basketball down a short ramp, which makes up the edges of the matrix. The ball rolls around for what seems like a long time before settling on a space.
Quote: AyecarumbaWhat's a "perspex" box?...
Answer: a box made clear plexiglass
Quote: andrew888Thankyou Wizard for the Niu Niu table covering the rules in Sihanoukville. Much appreciated.
You're welcome. I thanked you for your help at the bottom of the page.
AG is number one in Philippine, like pokerstar in poker.
BBIN is number two in Philippine, like partypoker in poker.
both of them offer games, like MG, PT.
thousands of websites are using AG, BBIN,
there are some other not-so-popular platforms in asia online gambling, mg, pt, hg, bg, ....g,.g.g.more than 10.
i played a lot on them. i made some money on it. they offered crazy bonuses. but a few don't pay if i win. even i lose.i wrote about it before in another thread.
the niuniu game, i saw it on ag, but i never played it. i don't feel like reading all details.
we play niuniu in China in real with friends or relatives. the rules are similar. but it is played with no strict casino-like rules.
we play majiang, doudizhu,zhajinhua... in macau, we play baijiale.
chinese like qianshu,( directly english: Thousand techniques),meaning cheat or magic.
When I was in Guilin, China, everybody seemed to be playing a card game, in groups of four, using long cards that look like the stick a doctor uses to press down your tongue. What was everybody playing?
Quote: WizardHi Tom...playing a card game, in groups of four, using long cards that look like the stick a doctor uses to press down your tongue...
Here's an interesting Wikipedia article about Chinese cards that are slender: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Color_Cards.
Quote: ChesterDogHere's an interesting Wikipedia article about Chinese cards that are slender: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Color_Cards.
The cards were about that shape, but looked like they had the standard 2-Ace ranks and the usual suits. However, I never got close enough to really tell.
Quote: WizardQuote: ChesterDogHere's an interesting Wikipedia article about Chinese cards that are slender: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Color_Cards.
The cards were about that shape, but looked like they had the standard 2-Ace ranks and the usual suits. However, I never got close enough to really tell.
If they were standard playing card ranks and suits, they could be playing any number of four player games: Hearts, Spades, Rummy, etc.
Did the cards look like this:
Quote: AyecarumbaQuote: WizardQuote: ChesterDogHere's an interesting Wikipedia article about Chinese cards that are slender: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Color_Cards.
The cards were about that shape, but looked like they had the standard 2-Ace ranks and the usual suits. However, I never got close enough to really tell.
If they were standard playing card ranks and suits, they could be playing any number of four player games: Hearts, Spades, Rummy, etc.
Did the cards look like this:
the down picture is right.
Quote: WizardQuote: ChesterDogHere's an interesting Wikipedia article about Chinese cards that are slender: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Color_Cards.
The cards were about that shape, but looked like they had the standard 2-Ace ranks and the usual suits. However, I never got close enough to really tell.
hi, Wizard,
that card game is called "zhi pai"(chinese pinyin), meaning ‘words poker", it is numbers from 1-9. but it is written by both modern chinese language and traditional chinese language. the rule is difficult, a little like chinese 'majiang', we need to put 123, 111...all cards into ready pattern. i never learned how to play it. but my brother is good at it. and my mother knows how to play it. i hate this game. but it is popular in chinese aged of more than 50 years old.
Quote: tomchina123that card game is called "zhi pai"(chinese pinyin), meaning ‘words poker", it is numbers from 1-9. but it is written by both modern chinese language and traditional chinese language. the rule is difficult, a little like chinese 'majiang', we need to put 123, 111...all cards into ready pattern. i never learned how to play it. but my brother is good at it. and my mother knows how to play it. i hate this game. but it is popular in chinese aged of more than 50 years old.
Thanks Tom! Sorry for the tardy reply.
This is an interesting thread. I'm still trying to learn the principle of this game and your analysis helps a lot.
BTW, Could you show us how to calculate the probability for the Ultimate NiuNiu?
TYIA.
I'm looking for any possibility to skip 5% commision and replace with some kind of extra rule to maintain house age.
e.g. in Baccarat with no commision you pay half when Bankers wins with 6.
Did you have any experience with Niu Niu without commision and what is house edge for this variant?
I appreciate any advice.
Thank you very much
Quote: IvetaDear All Niu Niu professionals,
I'm looking for any possibility to skip 5% commision and replace with some kind of extra rule to maintain house age.
e.g. in Baccarat with no commision you pay half when Bankers wins with 6.
Did you have any experience with Niu Niu without commision and what is house edge for this variant?
I appreciate any advice.
Thank you very much
Nowadays the casino in Sihanouk charge a 5% commission on the equal bet (ante bet) when the player hand is Niu 7 and above that gives the house advantage to 1.17%
and there's one casino that pays half on Niu 5 only with no other commission on the equal bet <- maybe you can apply this rule
and they develop a new crazy side bet or bonus bet as super NiuNiu
the paytable is according to your points of Niu
Niu Niu 10:1
Niu 9 9:1
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Niu 1 and No Niu 1:1
all the pay more than 2 times requires a 5% commission and if you lose you have to pay the same amount to the house
Quote: WizardI'm open to hearing about other casino games in Cambodia. The one you mention sounds kind of like a charity gambling game I've seen in the US, where a basketball rolls around a grid and eventually lands in a particular color. Before all this, players place bets on the various colors.
Hi Wizard ,
Big fan of yours , can you list the prob of all numbers of Niu , so I can do some maths on different kind paytable ,I tried to to it on excel and it's killing me
also there's a new game coming soon here I'll update it as soon as I know the paytables
Quote: yanghenryHi Wizard ,
Big fan of yours , can you list the prob of all numbers of Niu , so I can do some maths on different kind paytable ,I tried to to it on excel and it's killing me
also there's a new game coming soon here I'll update it as soon as I know the paytables
i did it long time before and again in 2 days.
one deck niuniu
no niu 33.557%
niu1 6.591%
niu2 6.468%
niu3 6.591%
niu4 6.468%
niu5 6.827%
niu6 6.468%
niu7 6.591%
niu8 6.468%
niu9 6.591%
niuniu(all） 7.380%
total 100.000%
for no niu 33.557%:
K high 33.019%
Q high 25.211%
J high 17.403%
10 high 9.595%
9 high 6.571%
8 high 4.208%
7 high 2.577%
6 high 0.929%
5 high 0.231%
4 high 0.165%
3 high 0.084%
2 high 0.006%
total 100.000%
for niuniu(all） 7.380%
of it, JQK niuniu (五花牛）：0.0304737279527196%
other niuniu: 1-0.0304737279527196%
bombs(4 of a kind): 0.0240096038415366%
5 card small niu( total less than or equal to 10，五小牛): 0.0326284359897805%
Cambodia,sihanouk city, it is a crazy city. and i was playing there for 15 days. 10000 USD br, doubled.
I could write a long articles on my last journey.
here for short:
dirty broken street. hundreds of casinos. all Chinese. no westerners seen. they all should look like Chinese underground casinos. but it is legal there.
famous for cheating, but i didn't see any cheating. famous for unsafety, but i felt ok.
If any documentary, like BBC, wants to make some films, i should make some help.
by the way, the above number is made by myself. if copy, it should be mentioned, it is from Wizard's fan.
Quote: mtlteaniuniu game in wizard of odds (i not able to post link yet), under online section, i saw you are using bull fight pic , here i have the table of asia gaming niuniu but how to post it here?, and the banker bet will have not commission of 5%, meaning it odds will get 1 to 1
I will look into these alleged commission-free Asia Gaming rules.
Quote: WizardI will look into these alleged commission-free Asia Gaming rules.
hi wizard,
it actually inside the AG gaming site game intro link that you posted in one of your post , when u look at the payoff table with title "Player (Banker) Odds of Lost" u will see odds of 1to1, that means if "player" cards loses to the "banker" cards, players who bet on "banker" box will win 1 to 1 on equal bet.
as im new here and hasnt posted 20 post, so i cant post any link nor do i know how to post pic, if you need, kindly teach me how to post pic or i can send it to you if you show me a contact(skype/email) to send to.
Super Niu Niu is one of the popular traditional poker games. The greatest feature in this game is the rules easy to understand. Super Niu Niu game is played with a deck consist of 52 cards (Excluded Jokers).
J, Q, K is equal to 10. Other cards shall carry the denoted numerical value and Ace equal to 1.
Pattern order:
• Five Small Niu
• Four Of A Kind
• Ultimate Niu-Niu (5 pictures)
• Niu-Niu (10 points)
• Big Point: (9 points >8 points >7 points)
• Small Point: (6 points > 5 points > 4 points> 3 points > 2 points > 1 points)
• High card.
Point’s description:
• Five Small Niu: All five (5) cards are five (5) points or less, and the total points of cards is less than OR equal to ten (10), which is the biggest card in Niu Niu. Example: 11123 or 11124 or 11122 etc.
• Four Of A Kind: Four cards of the same rank in one hand
• Ultimate Niu-Niu: 5 picture cards
• Niu-Niu: Both the sum of the bottom three cards and the sum of the upper two cards is a multiple of 10.
• Big Point: The sum of the bottom cards is a multiple of 10. The sum of the upper two cards is 7, 8 or 9 points.
• Small Point: The sum of the bottom cards is a multiple of 10. The sum of the upper two cards is 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 or 1 points.
• High Card: Unable to make a multiple of 10 for among 5 cards.
• Rank Order: K> Q> J> 10> 9> 8> 7> 6> 5> 4> 3> 2> A.
• Suit Order: Spades > Hearts > Clubs > Diamonds.
2. GAME PATTERN AND DESCRIPTION:
Pattern Description
Five Small Niu All five (5) cards are less than five (5) points, and the total points of cards is less than OR equal to ten (10), which is the biggest card in Niu Niu. Example: 11123 or 11124 or 11122
Four Of A Kind Four cards of the same rank in one hand
Ultimate Niu-Niu All five cards are picture cards (Jacks, Queens, and Kings).
Niu Niu
Both the sum of the bottom three cards and the sum of the upper two cards are multiples of 10.
Big Point The sum of the bottom three cards are multiples of 10.
The sum of the upper two cards is 7, 8 and 9.
Small Point The sum of the bottom three cards are multiples of 10.
The sum of the upper two cards are 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 or 1
High Card Unable to make multiples of 10 from the 5 cards.
3. PLAYING METHOD OR COMPARING RULES:
3.1 Deal 5 cards to each Player and Dealer in every game round. Choose 3 of the 5 cards may add up to 10 or multiple of 10. The remaining 2 cards add up to more than 10, then must be minus 10 and the remaining points will be compare with the banker and higher point will win.
3.2 If both points are the same, higher ranking within 5 cards to be compare and higher-ranking cards will win.
3.3 If higher points and ranking card are the same, suit of the higher-ranking card to be compare and higher suit will win. Please refer to the below example;
• Example: Dealer card: 2,8 / K (Spades), Q, J
Player card: 2,8 / K (Hearts), Q, J
Game: Dealer card win (Suit Ranking)
• Example: Dealer card: 3,3 / Q, J,10
Player card: 2,2 / K, Q, J
Game: Dealer card win
• Example: Dealer card: 3, 3 / K (Diamonds), J, 10
Player card: 3, 3 / K (Hearts), J, 10
Game: Dealer card lose
4. PAYOUT DESCRIPTIONS:
4.1 If the player beats the dealer, the winning bets on ANTE betting box are pays according to the player’s card patterns.
• Five Small Niu pays 1 to 1 (without commission tax)
• Four Of A Kind pays 1 to 1 (without commission tax)
• Ultimate Niu Niu pays 1 to 1 (without commission tax)
• Niu-Niu pays 1 to 1 (without commission tax).
• Big Point pays 1 to 1 (without commission tax).
• Small Point pays 1 to 1 (without commission tax)
• High Card pays 1 to 1 (without commission tax)
4.2 If the player beats the dealer, the winning bets on DOUBLE betting box are pays according to the player’s card patterns.
• Five Small Niu pays 7 to 1 (5% commission tax)
• Four Of A Kind pays 6 to 1 (5% commission tax)
• Ultimate Niu Niu pays 5 to 1 (5% commission tax)
• Niu-Niu pays 3 to 1 (5% commission tax).
• Big Point pays 2 to 1 (5% commission tax).
• Small Point pays 1 to 1 (without commission tax)
• High Card pays 1 to 1 (without commission tax)
4.3 If the player beats the dealer, the winning bets on SUPER betting box are pays according to the player’s card patterns.
• Five Small Niu pays 13 to 1 (5% commission tax)
• Four Of A Kind pays 12 to 1 (5% commission tax)
• Ultimate Niu Niu pays 11 to 1 (5% commission tax)
• Niu-Niu pays 10 to 1 (5% commission tax).
• Big Point:
i. Niu 9 pays 9 to 1 (5% commission tax)
ii. Niu 8 pays 8 to1 ( 5% commission tax)
iii. Niu 7 pays 7 to1 ( 5% commission tax)
• Small Point:
i. Niu 6 pays 6 to 1 (5% commission tax)
ii. NIu 5 pays 5 to 1 (5% commission tax)
iii. NIu 4 pays 4 to 1 (5% commission tax)
iv. NIu 3 pays 3 to 1 (5% commission tax)
v. NIu 2 pays 2 to 1 (5% commission tax)
vi. NIu 1 pays 1 to 1 (without commission tax)
• High Card pays 1 to 1 (without commission tax)
4.4 Likewise, if the dealer beats the player, the losing bets on ANTE betting box are collects.
4.5 In the event the dealer beats the player, the losing bets on DOUBLE betting box are required to top up chips according to the banker’s card pattern.
• Super Small Niu top up and lose 1 to 7
• Four Of A Kind top up and lose 1 to 6
• Ultimate Niu Niu top up and lose 1 to 5
• Niu-Niu top up and lose 1 to 3
• Big Point top up and lose 1 to 2
• Small Point lose 1 to 1
• High Card lose 1 to 1
4.6 In the event the dealer beats the player, the losing bets on SUPER betting box are required to top up chips according to the banker’s card pattern.
• Super Small Niu top up and lose 1 to 13
• Four Of A Kind top up and lose 1 to 12
• Ultimate Niu Niu top up and lose 1 to 11
• Niu-Niu top up and lose 1 to 10
• Big Point:
i. Niu 9 top up and lose 1 to 9
ii. Niu 8 top up and lose 1 to 8
iii. Niu 7 top up and lose 1 to 7
• Small Point:
i. Niu 6 top up and lose 1 to 6
ii. Niu 5 top up and lose 1 to 5
iii. Niu 4 top up and lose 1 to 4
iv. Niu 3 top up and lose 1 to 3
v. Niu 2 top up and lose 1 to 2
vi. Niu 1 maintain and lose 1 to 1
• High Card lose 1 to 1
5. PAYOUT CHART LIST:
Win of Even money, Double, Triple and above:
Card Types Odds of Ante Odds of Double Odds of Super
Super Small Niu 1:1 (Without com) 1:7 (Com 5%) 1:13 (Com 5%)
Four Of A Kind 1:1 (Without com) 1:6 (Com 5%) 1:12 (Com 5%)
Ultimate Niu Niu 1:1 (Without com) 1:5 (Com 5%) 1:11 (Com 5%)
Niu Niu 1:1 (Without com) 1:3 (Com 5%) 1:10 (Com 5%)
Niu 9 1:1 (Without com) 1:2 (Com 5%) 1:9 (Com 5%)
Niu 8 1:1 (Without com) 1:2 (Com 5%) 1:8 (Com 5%)
Niu 7 1:1 (Without com) 1:2 (Com 5%) 1:7 (Com 5%)
Niu 6 1:1 (Without com) 1:1 (Without com) 1:6 (Com 5%)
Niu 5 1:1 (Without com) 1:1 (Without com) 1:5 (Com 5%)
Niu 4 1:1 (Without com) 1:1 (Without com) 1:4 (Com 5%)
Niu 3 1:1 (Without com) 1:1 (Without com) 1:3 (Com 5%)
Niu 2 1:1 (Without com) 1:1 (Without com) 1:2 (Com 5%)
Niu 1 1:1 (Without com) 1:1 (Without com) 1:1 (Without com)
High Card 1:1 (Without com) 1:1 (Without com) 1:1 (Without com)
Odd of Lose
Card Types Odds of Ante Odds of Double Odds of Super
Super Small Niu 1:1 Lose 1:7 Lose 1:13
Four Of A Kind 1:1 Lose 1:6 Lose 1:12
Ultimate Niu Niu 1:1 Lose 1:5 Lose 1:11
Niu Niu 1:1 Lose 1:3 Lose 1:10
Niu 9 1:1 Lose 1:2 Lose 1:9
Niu 8 1:1 Lose 1:2 Lose 1:8
Niu 7 1:1 Lose 1:2 Lose 1:7
Niu 6 1:1 Lose 1:1 Lose 1:6
Niu 5 1:1 Lose 1:1 Lose 1:5
Niu 4 1:1 Lose 1:1 Lose 1:4
Niu 3 1:1 Lose 1:1 Lose 1:3
Niu 2 1:1 Lose 1:1 Lose 1:2
Niu 1 1:1 Lose 1:1 Lose 1:1
High Card 1:1 Lose 1:1 Lose 1:1
on, August 20th, 2019 at 9:14:30 PM, i made some numbers without full consideration of special niu. now it is full.
thanks for Miplet of this helpfi; table-making link: http://miplet.net/table/
| NIUNIU-by tomchina123胡歌Tom | |||
|---|---|---|---|
| TYPE | permutation | PROB. | notes |
| 3 high | 33600 | 0.01077% | |
| 4 high | 138240 | 0.04433% | |
| 5 high | 230400 | 0.07388% | |
| 6 high | 967680 | 0.31028% | |
| 7 high | 2691840 | 0.86311% | |
| 8 high | 4398720 | 1.41041% | |
| 9 high | 6869760 | 2.20273% | |
| 10 high | 10037760 | 3.21852% | |
| J high | 18209280 | 5.83864% | |
| Q high | 26380800 | 8.45877% | |
| K high | 34552320 | 11.07889% | |
| niu 1 | 20554560 | 6.59064% | |
| niu 2 | 20168640 | 6.46689% | |
| niu 3 | 20554560 | 6.59064% | |
| niu 4 | 20168640 | 6.46689% | |
| niu 5 | 21288960 | 6.82612% | |
| niu 6 | 20168640 | 6.46689% | |
| niu 7 | 20554560 | 6.59064% | |
| niu 8 | 20168640 | 6.46689% | |
| niu 9 | 20554560 | 6.59064% | |
| niu niu | 22917120 | 7.34817% | |
| 5 pictures | 92160 | 0.02955% | JQKKK,JJQQK |
| 4 of a kind(maybe also 5 pictures) | 72000 | 0.02309% | 88885,JJJJQ |
| 5 small niu(maybe also 4 of a kind) | 101760 | 0.03263% | AA233,AAAA6 |
| total | 311875200 | 100.00000% | |
for 5 pictures & 4 of a kind(eg: JJJJQ), we usually take it as 4 of a kind, because it is higher rank than 5 pictures(if dealer is QQQKK),
4 of a kind & 5 small cards(eg: 11112), we usually take it as 5 small cards, because it is higher rank than 4 of a kind(if dealer is 22228),
addtionally, some may want to know details of above:
| NIUNIU-one deck by tomchina123胡歌Tom | |||
|---|---|---|---|
| TYPE | permutation | PROB. | notes |
| 3 high | 33600 | 0.0108% | |
| 4 high | 138240 | 0.0443% | |
| 5 high | 230400 | 0.0739% | |
| 6 high | 967680 | 0.3103% | |
| 7 high | 2691840 | 0.8631% | |
| 8 high | 4398720 | 1.4104% | |
| 9 high | 6869760 | 2.2027% | |
| 10 high | 10037760 | 3.2185% | |
| J high | 18209280 | 5.8386% | |
| Q high | 26380800 | 8.4588% | |
| K high | 34552320 | 11.0789% | |
| niu 1 | 20554560 | 6.5906% | |
| niu 2 | 20168640 | 6.4669% | |
| niu 3 | 20554560 | 6.5906% | |
| niu 4 | 20168640 | 6.4669% | |
| niu 5 | 21288960 | 6.8261% | |
| niu 6 | 20168640 | 6.4669% | |
| niu 7 | 20554560 | 6.5906% | |
| niu 8 | 20168640 | 6.4669% | |
| niu 9 | 20554560 | 6.5906% | |
| niu niu | 22917120 | 7.3482% | |
| 5 pictures only (no 4 of a kind) | 92160 | 0.0296% | JQKKK |
| 4 of a kind only (no 5 small niu) | 69120 | 0.0222% | 88885 |
| 5 small niu | 98880 | 0.0317% | AA233 |
| 5 pictures & 4 of a kind | 2880 | 0.0009% | JJJJQ |
| 4 of a kind & 5 small niu | 2880 | 0.0009% | AAAA2 |
| total | 311875200 | 100.0000% | |
for other probablities, i may cover them in the coming time.
Quote: andrew8881. INTRODUCTION
Super Niu Niu is one of the popular traditional poker games. The greatest feature in this game is the rules easy to understand. Super Niu Niu game is played with a deck consist of 52 cards (Excluded Jokers).
J, Q, K is equal to 10. Other cards shall carry the denoted numerical value and Ace equal to 1.
Pattern order:
• Five Small Niu
• Four Of A Kind
• Ultimate Niu-Niu (5 pictures)
• Niu-Niu (10 points)
• Big Point: (9 points >8 points >7 points)
• Small Point: (6 points > 5 points > 4 points> 3 points > 2 points > 1 points)
• High card.
Point’s description:
• Five Small Niu: All five (5) cards are five (5) points or less, and the total points of cards is less than OR equal to ten (10), which is the biggest card in Niu Niu. Example: 11123 or 11124 or 11122 etc.
• Four Of A Kind: Four cards of the same rank in one hand
• Ultimate Niu-Niu: 5 picture cards
• Niu-Niu: Both the sum of the bottom three cards and the sum of the upper two cards is a multiple of 10.
• Big Point: The sum of the bottom cards is a multiple of 10. The sum of the upper two cards is 7, 8 or 9 points.
• Small Point: The sum of the bottom cards is a multiple of 10. The sum of the upper two cards is 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 or 1 points.
• High Card: Unable to make a multiple of 10 for among 5 cards.
• Rank Order: K> Q> J> 10> 9> 8> 7> 6> 5> 4> 3> 2> A.
• Suit Order: Spades > Hearts > Clubs > Diamonds.
2. GAME PATTERN AND DESCRIPTION:
Pattern Description
Five Small Niu All five (5) cards are less than five (5) points, and the total points of cards is less than OR equal to ten (10), which is the biggest card in Niu Niu. Example: 11123 or 11124 or 11122
Four Of A Kind Four cards of the same rank in one hand
Ultimate Niu-Niu All five cards are picture cards (Jacks, Queens, and Kings).
Niu Niu
Both the sum of the bottom three cards and the sum of the upper two cards are multiples of 10.
Big Point The sum of the bottom three cards are multiples of 10.
The sum of the upper two cards is 7, 8 and 9.
Small Point The sum of the bottom three cards are multiples of 10.
The sum of the upper two cards are 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 or 1
High Card Unable to make multiples of 10 from the 5 cards.
3. PLAYING METHOD OR COMPARING RULES:
3.1 Deal 5 cards to each Player and Dealer in every game round. Choose 3 of the 5 cards may add up to 10 or multiple of 10. The remaining 2 cards add up to more than 10, then must be minus 10 and the remaining points will be compare with the banker and higher point will win.
3.2 If both points are the same, higher ranking within 5 cards to be compare and higher-ranking cards will win.
3.3 If higher points and ranking card are the same, suit of the higher-ranking card to be compare and higher suit will win. Please refer to the below example;
• Example: Dealer card: 2,8 / K (Spades), Q, J
Player card: 2,8 / K (Hearts), Q, J
Game: Dealer card win (Suit Ranking)
• Example: Dealer card: 3,3 / Q, J,10
Player card: 2,2 / K, Q, J
Game: Dealer card win
• Example: Dealer card: 3, 3 / K (Diamonds), J, 10
Player card: 3, 3 / K (Hearts), J, 10
Game: Dealer card lose
4. PAYOUT DESCRIPTIONS:
4.1 If the player beats the dealer, the winning bets on ANTE betting box are pays according to the player’s card patterns.
• Five Small Niu pays 1 to 1 (without commission tax)
• Four Of A Kind pays 1 to 1 (without commission tax)
• Ultimate Niu Niu pays 1 to 1 (without commission tax)
• Niu-Niu pays 1 to 1 (without commission tax).
• Big Point pays 1 to 1 (without commission tax).
• Small Point pays 1 to 1 (without commission tax)
• High Card pays 1 to 1 (without commission tax)
4.2 If the player beats the dealer, the winning bets on DOUBLE betting box are pays according to the player’s card patterns.
• Five Small Niu pays 7 to 1 (5% commission tax)
• Four Of A Kind pays 6 to 1 (5% commission tax)
• Ultimate Niu Niu pays 5 to 1 (5% commission tax)
• Niu-Niu pays 3 to 1 (5% commission tax).
• Big Point pays 2 to 1 (5% commission tax).
• Small Point pays 1 to 1 (without commission tax)
• High Card pays 1 to 1 (without commission tax)
4.3 If the player beats the dealer, the winning bets on SUPER betting box are pays according to the player’s card patterns.
• Five Small Niu pays 13 to 1 (5% commission tax)
• Four Of A Kind pays 12 to 1 (5% commission tax)
• Ultimate Niu Niu pays 11 to 1 (5% commission tax)
• Niu-Niu pays 10 to 1 (5% commission tax).
• Big Point:
i. Niu 9 pays 9 to 1 (5% commission tax)
ii. Niu 8 pays 8 to1 ( 5% commission tax)
iii. Niu 7 pays 7 to1 ( 5% commission tax)
• Small Point:
i. Niu 6 pays 6 to 1 (5% commission tax)
ii. NIu 5 pays 5 to 1 (5% commission tax)
iii. NIu 4 pays 4 to 1 (5% commission tax)
iv. NIu 3 pays 3 to 1 (5% commission tax)
v. NIu 2 pays 2 to 1 (5% commission tax)
vi. NIu 1 pays 1 to 1 (without commission tax)
• High Card pays 1 to 1 (without commission tax)
4.4 Likewise, if the dealer beats the player, the losing bets on ANTE betting box are collects.
4.5 In the event the dealer beats the player, the losing bets on DOUBLE betting box are required to top up chips according to the banker’s card pattern.
• Super Small Niu top up and lose 1 to 7
• Four Of A Kind top up and lose 1 to 6
• Ultimate Niu Niu top up and lose 1 to 5
• Niu-Niu top up and lose 1 to 3
• Big Point top up and lose 1 to 2
• Small Point lose 1 to 1
• High Card lose 1 to 1
4.6 In the event the dealer beats the player, the losing bets on SUPER betting box are required to top up chips according to the banker’s card pattern.
• Super Small Niu top up and lose 1 to 13
• Four Of A Kind top up and lose 1 to 12
• Ultimate Niu Niu top up and lose 1 to 11
• Niu-Niu top up and lose 1 to 10
• Big Point:
i. Niu 9 top up and lose 1 to 9
ii. Niu 8 top up and lose 1 to 8
iii. Niu 7 top up and lose 1 to 7
• Small Point:
i. Niu 6 top up and lose 1 to 6
ii. Niu 5 top up and lose 1 to 5
iii. Niu 4 top up and lose 1 to 4
iv. Niu 3 top up and lose 1 to 3
v. Niu 2 top up and lose 1 to 2
vi. Niu 1 maintain and lose 1 to 1
• High Card lose 1 to 1
5. PAYOUT CHART LIST:
Win of Even money, Double, Triple and above:
Card Types Odds of Ante Odds of Double Odds of Super
Super Small Niu 1:1 (Without com) 1:7 (Com 5%) 1:13 (Com 5%)
Four Of A Kind 1:1 (Without com) 1:6 (Com 5%) 1:12 (Com 5%)
Ultimate Niu Niu 1:1 (Without com) 1:5 (Com 5%) 1:11 (Com 5%)
Niu Niu 1:1 (Without com) 1:3 (Com 5%) 1:10 (Com 5%)
Niu 9 1:1 (Without com) 1:2 (Com 5%) 1:9 (Com 5%)
Niu 8 1:1 (Without com) 1:2 (Com 5%) 1:8 (Com 5%)
Niu 7 1:1 (Without com) 1:2 (Com 5%) 1:7 (Com 5%)
Niu 6 1:1 (Without com) 1:1 (Without com) 1:6 (Com 5%)
Niu 5 1:1 (Without com) 1:1 (Without com) 1:5 (Com 5%)
Niu 4 1:1 (Without com) 1:1 (Without com) 1:4 (Com 5%)
Niu 3 1:1 (Without com) 1:1 (Without com) 1:3 (Com 5%)
Niu 2 1:1 (Without com) 1:1 (Without com) 1:2 (Com 5%)
Niu 1 1:1 (Without com) 1:1 (Without com) 1:1 (Without com)
High Card 1:1 (Without com) 1:1 (Without com) 1:1 (Without com)
Odd of Lose
Card Types Odds of Ante Odds of Double Odds of Super
Super Small Niu 1:1 Lose 1:7 Lose 1:13
Four Of A Kind 1:1 Lose 1:6 Lose 1:12
Ultimate Niu Niu 1:1 Lose 1:5 Lose 1:11
Niu Niu 1:1 Lose 1:3 Lose 1:10
Niu 9 1:1 Lose 1:2 Lose 1:9
Niu 8 1:1 Lose 1:2 Lose 1:8
Niu 7 1:1 Lose 1:2 Lose 1:7
Niu 6 1:1 Lose 1:1 Lose 1:6
Niu 5 1:1 Lose 1:1 Lose 1:5
Niu 4 1:1 Lose 1:1 Lose 1:4
Niu 3 1:1 Lose 1:1 Lose 1:3
Niu 2 1:1 Lose 1:1 Lose 1:2
Niu 1 1:1 Lose 1:1 Lose 1:1
High Card 1:1 Lose 1:1 Lose 1:1
by above rule, my draft calculation is:
for double, HE is 2.7123% of original bet.
for triple, HE is 14.0635% of the original bet.
notes of the calculation:
1) if below explation is poorly-written english, don't read and don't criticize, i hate it.
2) because it is related to colors of the card(if the same rank, niu 7 and niu 7, we need to rank them by spade, heart...), the combinations(actually, i use permutation) is 1024 times more, i rank the same niu or the same high points by half time winning, half time losing, eg: if niuniu VS niuniu, half of the time is player's winning, then half of the time, we are charged of commission. it should be very close enough to final number.
the number is draft, take it as reference first. later on, i will do some simulation on it.
i come to say goodbye to the game of niuniu. because i think i was cheated.
i played in a big and famous casino in sihanouk. flat bet. 1:1, not house edge. no magnet in the dice as tested. i played 150 times, lost 40 bets.
after this, i felt very bad and made a simu. it is like once in more than 3 years. which means, if i make 150 bets every day, it happens only once in 3 years. why did it happen in that day?
cheating is very often in this city. but on that day, on that casino, i made the decision to say goodbye to niuniu. and very likely most dice-related games.
readers may think i am some one who is easy to be cheated. i should inform: in this city,i made good money last year ok money this year.
If they want to cheat how to? not the slightest idea. I lost very big too
Quote: tomchina123it is a long time i reopen this thread.
i come to say goodbye to the game of niuniu. because i think i was cheated.
i played in a big and famous casino in sihanouk. flat bet. 1:1, not house edge. no magnet in the dice as tested. i played 150 times, lost 40 bets.
after this, i felt very bad and made a simu. it is like once in more than 3 years. which means, if i make 150 bets every day, it happens only once in 3 years. why did it happen in that day?
cheating is very often in this city. but on that day, on that casino, i made the decision to say goodbye to niuniu. and very likely most dice-related games.
readers may think i am some one who is easy to be cheated. i should inform: in this city,i made good money last year ok money this year.
Quote: niuniukingI am an Advanced AP but I just cannot see how they can cheat although I lost big too. You see they shuffle many many times. 2 In dealing the cards it is one card to each person rotating rather than complete one person then the next. Third there are three dice which comes out to different numbers.
If they want to cheat how to? not the slightest idea. I lost very big too
Quote: tomchina123it is a long time i reopen this thread.
i come to say goodbye to the game of niuniu. because i think i was cheated.
i played in a big and famous casino in sihanouk. flat bet. 1:1, not house edge. no magnet in the dice as tested. i played 150 times, lost 40 bets.
after this, i felt very bad and made a simu. it is like once in more than 3 years. which means, if i make 150 bets every day, it happens only once in 3 years. why did it happen in that day?
cheating is very often in this city. but on that day, on that casino, i made the decision to say goodbye to niuniu. and very likely most dice-related games.
readers may think i am some one who is easy to be cheated. i should inform: in this city,i made good money last year ok money this year.
Quote: niuniukingCheating is rampant. You want to share examples? false shuffles or dealing doubles?
I lost again. lost 50 units out of 1000 bets. The math says odds of this happening is once in a year.
Now how do I test them for cheating???
I wonder what's the BS and casino or player hold
Quote: niuniukingNow how do I test them for cheating???
1. State in advance what you are testing for.
2. Gather evidence.
3. Analyze evidence.
Any about the niu niu variant how?
Quote: Wizard1. State in advance what you are testing for.
2. Gather evidence.
3. Analyze evidence.
Quote: tomchina123the cheating of niuniu is like this: The camera reads the cards, then the casino controls the dice to determine which box to deal the card first. one way to check if cheating, is to check if the dice is magnetic.
Time for the next step -- gather evidence.
Gotta say I'm a huge fan, I've used your figures all my career, I owe you a beer one day.
Anyway, I now work with Quintonsa and I used your figures to work out niu niu, I just needed the frequency and the rest was easy. Normally the game is played where the player loses all bets if he doesn't get king high or better, no matter if the dealers hand is smaller. All higher hands are played as basically a coin toss, player gets niu niu, he wins even money on ante bet and odds on double bet, if dealer gets niu niu player loses same amount as if he had won. I changed our game to make all hands live but player ante only gets paid 1 to 2 on winning niu7. I made that to be 2.54% to the house, from your figures. I also put a bonus based on certain hands and the Chinese love it. Anyone wanting info please contact me, I'll give for free as wizard has always done the same.
My question now is: if I were to deal this game from a 5 deck shoe, would I have to adjust the math, I.e. Does niu niu still come 7.38% of the hands? If the math is the same this way is better as less shuffling, more hands per hour.
I tested the dice. You know you can pick one choice, either cut card or shake dice. So I shake dice by first lifting the cup then shake. Sometimes I open it at the end flicked. It rolls to a different number. So different beginning positions.
Some or many casinos have dice which has no covers so you can see them rolling normally.
I thought about the cards, seen carefully no cameras a where to be found. The cards are stacked so very difficult to have scanners to tell them apart.
No idea I just keep losing.
Quote: tomchina123the cheating of niuniu is like this: The camera reads the cards, then the casino controls the dice to determine which box to deal the card first. one way to check if cheating, is to check if the dice is magnetic.
Quote: niuniukingThe more I play at further two more casinos the more I lose! Absolutely no idea how they do it though we are supposed to be positive EV!
I tested the dice. You know you can pick one choice, either cut card or shake dice. So I shake dice by first lifting the cup then shake. Sometimes I open it at the end flicked. It rolls to a different number. So different beginning positions.
Some or many casinos have dice which has no covers so you can see them rolling normally.
I thought about the cards, seen carefully no cameras a where to be found. The cards are stacked so very difficult to have scanners to tell them apart.
No idea I just keep losing.
Quote: niuniukingI lost again at additional one casino. 20 units after 8 hours of total play. Still no idea how they do it
Quote: niuniukingI am an Advanced AP
Don't take this the wrong way, but, You might want to reevaluate what it means to be an advanced AP.
*Refer to someone like Eddie Teams.
