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December 7th, 2022 at 4:59:28 AM permalink
I got an Email from the restaurant. Here is what they said.

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Michael,
Our apologies that your party was charged a service charge during your recent visit to La Mina Rosa.
We do charge a nominal 5% service charge during our late-night operations that is applied towards our bottle service guests (table service).
This fee is disclosed to these guests (along with a 20% auto-gratuity) prior to them being seated.
The problem that your party experienced was that this service charge fee was not de-activated during brunch and dinner service where it is not charged.
We will be more diligent in toggling this fee on our point-of-sale system at the appropriate time (after food service) moving forward.
Our apologies if it negatively impacted your experience with us.

Thank you,
Michael

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December 7th, 2022 at 5:08:27 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I got an Email from the restaurant. Here is what they said.

Quote: Mona Rosa


Michael,
Our apologies that your party was charged a service charge during your recent visit to La Mina Rosa.
We do charge a nominal 5% service charge during our late-night operations that is applied towards our bottle service guests (table service).
This fee is disclosed to these guests (along with a 20% auto-gratuity) prior to them being seated.
The problem that your party experienced was that this service charge fee was not de-activated during brunch and dinner service where it is not charged.
We will be more diligent in toggling this fee on our point-of-sale system at the appropriate time (after food service) moving forward.
Our apologies if it negatively impacted your experience with us.

Thank you,
Michael

Michael Hatcher
Director of Operations
Corner Bar Management
702.275.****


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Gee, what’s missing? ‘To make up for the error, each member of your party will receive a free drink on your next visit’. Or, ‘please take 20% off your next bill when dining with us’.

Basically it says, we f…d you, it was our fault, we’ll try not to do it again, but we are keeping that 5%!
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December 7th, 2022 at 5:42:03 AM permalink
Wiz, does that place seem like one that would offer late-night bottle service??
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December 7th, 2022 at 5:49:31 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Gee, what’s missing? ‘To make up for the error, each member of your party will receive a free drink on your next visit’. Or, ‘please take 20% off your next bill when dining with us’.

Basically it says, we f…d you, it was our fault, we’ll try not to do it again, but we are keeping that 5%!

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December 7th, 2022 at 3:40:41 PM permalink
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Wiz, does that place seem like one that would offer late-night bottle service??
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To be honest, I'm not sure what that is. It is just a little foo-foo Mexican place. I must admit, I've been there several times and like it, despite this recent incident.
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December 7th, 2022 at 4:42:06 PM permalink
Could be the parent company owns multiple establishments, including one or more that offer late night bottle service, uses a common computer and POS system company wide and turns features one and off based on the individual establishment. That being said, is it worth asking for a $3.40 credit to be used next time, considering you're a repeat customer?
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December 7th, 2022 at 4:54:52 PM permalink
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That being said, is it worth asking for a $3.40 credit to be used next time, considering you're a repeat customer?

As I think SOOPOO pointed out earlier, WIZ shouldn't have to ask, the restaurant should have OFFERED something nicer than $ 3.40 for goodwill. It was the RESTAURANT's mistake.
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December 7th, 2022 at 4:58:31 PM permalink
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December 7th, 2022 at 5:04:25 PM permalink
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As I think SOOPOO pointed out earlier, WIZ shouldn't have to ask, the restaurant should have OFFERED something nicer than $ 3.40 for goodwill. It was the RESTAURANT's mistake.
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In my Email to the restaurant, I said, as I did here, that I deducted the 5% from the tip. So, I don't blame them for not offering me anything. They should give my waitress the $3.40. Hopefully they add all the money they collected that day from the service fee, before the error was corrected, and give it to the service staff.
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December 7th, 2022 at 5:14:41 PM permalink
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As I think SOOPOO pointed out earlier, WIZ shouldn't have to ask, the restaurant should have OFFERED something nicer than $ 3.40 for goodwill. It was the RESTAURANT's mistake.
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In my Email to the restaurant, I said, as I did here, that I deducted the 5% from the tip. So, I don't blame them for not offering me anything. They should give my waitress the $3.40. Hopefully they add all the money they collected that day from the service fee, before the error was corrected, and give it to the service staff.
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Interesting that we should ever have to hope that a service fee go to the people actually providing the service.
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December 7th, 2022 at 5:38:53 PM permalink
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Wiz, does that place seem like one that would offer late-night bottle service??
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There are a bunch of Mexican places that transform into mini-clubs late nite. They generally serve the service industry, which is largely Latin. It's how Drea's started out twenty-five years ago. It was an Italian restaurant that was known for its after-hours.
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December 7th, 2022 at 7:31:16 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

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Wiz, does that place seem like one that would offer late-night bottle service??
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To be honest, I'm not sure what that is. It is just a little foo-foo Mexican place. I must admit, I've been there several times and like it, despite this recent incident.
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Bottle Service is where the bar will sell alcohol by the bottle to (usually) a large party. It can be as minor as leaving a bottle with a drinker (in the old westerns, anyway) to as elaborate as the DJ interrupting the dance music to play a special fanfare, the party escorted to a prominent location, the riff-raff cleared away, and the bottle on a silver platter brought in by hostesses in various states of undress. The more happening the place, the more likely it is to have bottle service.

It's a urban version of the potlatch, with the bar winning in the end. The upcharge can approach 1000%, with various 'prestige' labels in demand. You could be getting a Whisky Advocate top-rated bottle, but nobody would care, because some legend in his own mind guy is blowing four figures on a bottle of Gran Patrón Platinum.

Me? I'll just suck down a decent Irish Coffee once in a while and roll the bones when they come my way.
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December 8th, 2022 at 11:56:41 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

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Wiz, does that place seem like one that would offer late-night bottle service??
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There are a bunch of Mexican places that transform into mini-clubs late nite. They generally serve the service industry, which is largely Latin. It's how Drea's started out twenty-five years ago. It was an Italian restaurant that was known for its after-hours.
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December 8th, 2022 at 12:12:56 PM permalink
Wrong thread, but did that article say how much (in units) they already have in Bitcoin? Can't help but be curious why they might want to send a positive signal to the market.
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December 8th, 2022 at 12:38:26 PM permalink
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Wiz, does that place seem like one that would offer late-night bottle service??
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There are a bunch of Mexican places that transform into mini-clubs late nite. They generally serve the service industry, which is largely Latin. It's how Drea's started out twenty-five years ago. It was an Italian restaurant that was known for its after-hours.
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4 minute readDecember 6, 20222:22 PM PSTLast Updated 2 days ago
Exclusive: Goldman Sachs on hunt for bargain crypto firms after FTX fiasco
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LONDON, Dec 6 (Reuters) - Goldman Sachs (GS.N) plans to spend tens of millions of dollars to buy or invest in crypto companies after the collapse of the FTX exchange hit valuations and dampened investor interest.
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G.S. has some 2.5 trillion dollars in assets. Looking for tens of millions of dollars is the equivalent of you looking for change in your couch cushions after a party. I heartily recommend having up to one-half of one percent of your net worth in speculative nonsense of any sort.
To put it in perspective, Collectors Universe,a company whose main feature is grading baseball cards sold last year for $853 million.
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December 8th, 2022 at 8:51:17 PM permalink
Had a deja vu thinking about this topic. 30 or so years ago a local Middle Eastern theme restaurant…. You’d order at a counter and bring your food to the table yourself. Placed the order…. generally inexpensive…. but noticed the TEN CENT charge for the paper cup tap water was served in. It just rubbed me the wrong way. This was before they’d try and sell you a bottle of water for $4.

Charge me $4.59 for a falafel instead of $4.49 and give me the freaking cup which cost them a penny for free!
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December 11th, 2022 at 11:17:47 AM permalink
At See's Candies yesterday, I noticed on my receipt a Service Charge fee of 25 cents.

Usually I have a good experience shopping there, including free samples, so I decided not to say anything about it.

But I don't like where this is going…
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December 11th, 2022 at 11:23:12 AM permalink
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At See's Candies yesterday, I noticed on my receipt a Service Charge fee of 25 cents.

Usually I have a good experience shopping there, including free samples, so I decided not to say anything about it.

But I don't like where this is going…
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I'm not too fond of things like this. It's a quarter, so not worth holding up the line to complain, but it sucks. Did you pay cash?
There was a gas station in Henderson that charged people fifty cents if their cash was dirty or if a person took it out of their stocks. I don't know if they were serious, but it got on the media and sparked a lively discussion..
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December 11th, 2022 at 3:05:55 PM permalink
This "tip me" culture is an abomination.

Two nights ago I went to a Shari's and bought a piece of pie to go.

The server gave me the clear "stink eye" when I chose not to put any money in the tip jar.

Really, a tip jar at the counter?

There oughta be a law...
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December 11th, 2022 at 4:07:33 PM permalink
The worst example of this I’ve seen was a high end beach resort in California.

The prices at the resort convenience store were absurd. $8 for a Coke, $14 for a can of Miller Light, $24 for a ham sandwich….

When you checked out the credit card terminal asked you to tip the cashier. It gave 3 options for tip percentage but NO button for no tip. I was dumbstruck, and asked the cashier. At the very bottom in tiny letters there was a button for “custom tip” and I had to hit that at key in $0 tip. I was dumbfounded.
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December 11th, 2022 at 6:37:21 PM permalink
I don't think I have seen these fees come up here in Reno yet. I've seen extra charges for to go orders though. Again, another reason why Vegas has become such a rip off. If anyone is looking to just visit on a budget and bet red chips, you really need to try Reno. We even have casinos that DO NOT HAVE 6:5 BJ. But you may want to rent a car.
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December 12th, 2022 at 4:59:01 AM permalink
The one that I forgive is one that I have seen recently that says this:

“In order to avoid another increase to our menu prices, we will add a 3.5% fee to all debit and credit card transactions. If you pay cash, there will be no fee.”

It’s also posted as soon as you walk in; you can’t miss it. They’re basically just passing the credit card fees on to those customers.
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December 12th, 2022 at 6:43:20 AM permalink
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The one that I forgive is one that I have seen recently that says this:

“In order to avoid another increase to our menu prices, we will add a 3.5% fee to all debit and credit card transactions. If you pay cash, there will be no fee.”

It’s also posted as soon as you walk in; you can’t miss it. They’re basically just passing the credit card fees on to those customers.
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Which is illegal in many jurisdictions, as I understand it. In NYC, if you wish to pass along the CC fees, you are supposed to list two prices- the cash price and the price if you charge it. Few, if any places, do this.
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December 12th, 2022 at 7:04:40 AM permalink
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The one that I forgive is one that I have seen recently that says this:

“In order to avoid another increase to our menu prices, we will add a 3.5% fee to all debit and credit card transactions. If you pay cash, there will be no fee.”

It’s also posted as soon as you walk in; you can’t miss it. They’re basically just passing the credit card fees on to those customers.
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Imagine if there was a system of payment that charged a small fraction of that.
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December 12th, 2022 at 7:12:32 AM permalink
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The one that I forgive is one that I have seen recently that says this:

“In order to avoid another increase to our menu prices, we will add a 3.5% fee to all debit and credit card transactions. If you pay cash, there will be no fee.”

It’s also posted as soon as you walk in; you can’t miss it. They’re basically just passing the credit card fees on to those customers.
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Which is illegal in many jurisdictions, as I understand it. In NYC, if you wish to pass along the CC fees, you are supposed to list two prices- the cash price and the price if you charge it. Few, if any places, do this.
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Non-chain restaurant we go to rather often lists the regular price and the cash price. I think our local diner does the same, just don't immediately recall it. Lots of gas stations list the cash/credit price.
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December 12th, 2022 at 7:41:46 AM permalink
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Quote: Mission146

The one that I forgive is one that I have seen recently that says this:

“In order to avoid another increase to our menu prices, we will add a 3.5% fee to all debit and credit card transactions. If you pay cash, there will be no fee.”

It’s also posted as soon as you walk in; you can’t miss it. They’re basically just passing the credit card fees on to those customers.
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Which is illegal in many jurisdictions, as I understand it. In NYC, if you wish to pass along the CC fees, you are supposed to list two prices- the cash price and the price if you charge it. Few, if any places, do this.
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I don’t know anything about NYC, and the signage related to the percentage is both in front and, I think, on the menu.

I still like it. They state there is a fee, why the fee exists and the conditions for avoiding said fee. I hope they don’t make it illegal to do that.
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December 12th, 2022 at 7:42:24 AM permalink
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The one that I forgive is one that I have seen recently that says this:

“In order to avoid another increase to our menu prices, we will add a 3.5% fee to all debit and credit card transactions. If you pay cash, there will be no fee.”

It’s also posted as soon as you walk in; you can’t miss it. They’re basically just passing the credit card fees on to those customers.
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Imagine if there was a system of payment that charged a small fraction of that.
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Or cash, which charges 0% of that.
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December 12th, 2022 at 8:20:40 AM permalink
Certain gas stations here have a member or ez pay price if you give them your bank information and have their card difference is between 6 and 25 cents depending on the station. Paying cash is same as debit or credit
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December 12th, 2022 at 10:25:31 AM permalink
We use the EZ Pay system for gas at our local station.
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December 12th, 2022 at 10:42:10 AM permalink
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We use the EZ Pay system for gas at our local station.
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Is Easy Pay the Circle K club?
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December 12th, 2022 at 3:19:06 PM permalink
Never understood why more businesses don’t offer cash discounts. Even paying your hotel rooms should be cheaper than putting the charges on your Amex or other CC.

You get screwed if you are charged a service fee AND pay cash. On the other hand, there are businesses that only accept CC and don’t take cash. That should be illegal! Cash is legal tender. Airlines are notorious for not accepting cash. If they don’t accept cash, then the services or items should be free.
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December 12th, 2022 at 4:51:03 PM permalink
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Is Easy Pay the Circle K club?

There may be many various incarnations of this. Ours is a gas station affiliated with a grocery store. Go figure.
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December 12th, 2022 at 6:23:21 PM permalink
Their is a grocery store chaini go to that offers you a minimum 3 cent discount if you are a plus member.no charge for plus membership and you get digital coupons. More you spend,more of a discount on gas upto$1 gallon.
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December 12th, 2022 at 9:57:56 PM permalink
Signs at the Arco station here give to prices, one for cash, the other for credit: six cents differential per gallon.
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December 13th, 2022 at 6:04:13 AM permalink
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Never understood why more businesses don’t offer cash discounts. Even paying your hotel rooms should be cheaper than putting the charges on your Amex or other CC.

You get screwed if you are charged a service fee AND pay cash. On the other hand, there are businesses that only accept CC and don’t take cash. That should be illegal! Cash is legal tender. Airlines are notorious for not accepting cash. If they don’t accept cash, then the services or items should be free.
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I could be mis-remembering, but I thought it was against the T and C’s for participation with credit cards to even offer discounts for cash or to charge a fee to use the card at some time in the past?

One friend paid his kids school tuition (low 6 figures) via CC. No difference in price. Stepdaughters school charges 2.9% so not worth it.

Edit….. class action lawsuit against companies that don’t take cash?
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December 13th, 2022 at 6:09:00 AM permalink
More states now allow it. It used to be illegal in many states, but the laws have changed for reasons unclear. In the 1980s, my friend's business set up a remote office in Illinois, only to handle credit card payments as they could charge three percent for CC use, while it was illegal in NY.
Companies do not have to accept cash, just as they don't have to let you pay your bill in pennies.

As I understand the law, a person or company must accept cash for a service that has already been rendered but can refuse it in advance. In other words- if you go into a business and a sign says no cash accepted, you know ahead of time. They can't serve you and then inform you you need a different payment. Before a service is rendered-it is up to that person what he accepts, but he can't insist on a form of payment not agreed upon before he renders the service. That is the Federal law. Other jurisdictions can make their own rules.
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December 13th, 2022 at 8:15:01 AM permalink
My biggest beef about not accepting cash are the airlines. If you need to check in bags or it’s overweight and they insist they charge you, you should have the option to pay cash. Or if you want to pay for a drink on the plane, again, you should be able to pay with cash.
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December 13th, 2022 at 8:28:54 AM permalink
Cash is expensive to deal with.
If the airline took cash, someone has to get the cash and count it out, distribute it to the employees, collect it after their plane lands and count it, fill out the deposit slip, have someone else recheck the cash and deposit slips, and start all over for the next plane. When I had my clubs, it often took over two hours to count the night's cash, set the registers for the next day, and get bank deposits ready. not to mention the time and danger bank runs take.
Cash also leads to shortages, thefts, and looser inventory. Now multiply that by a few thousand flights a week, and the savings are substantial.
I'd imagine another consideration is airports are no gun zones, so you'd have lots of cash banks that aren't adequately protected.
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December 13th, 2022 at 8:33:04 AM permalink
I always pay cash when shopping.

During the pandemic I went to purchase a cheap $9.99 wrist watch at WALMART. I had my cash in hand and when I got to the cashier their were signs that said NO CASH--CREDIT CARD ONLY. I took out a bank credit card and it was rejected. I later found out that the reason for the rejection was because I hadn't used it in over a year. I tried a second card and it was accepted.

One of the reasons that I pay cash is because I have had Credit Card charges made to my card that I never made. They included charges from Walmart, Walgreens and Home Depot.
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December 13th, 2022 at 8:34:11 AM permalink
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I could be mis-remembering, but I thought it was against the T and C’s for participation with credit cards to even offer discounts for cash or to charge a fee to use the card at some time in the past?

One friend paid his kids school tuition (low 6 figures) via CC. No difference in price. Stepdaughters school charges 2.9% so not worth it.

Edit….. class action lawsuit against companies that don’t take cash?



I believe you are remembering correctly. That was common that the cards would prohibit you from offering their card if you charged a different amount for credit. I don't know if the cards have changed or if they are just not enforcing it.
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December 13th, 2022 at 8:38:10 AM permalink
Well noted on the drawbacks of dealing with cash. But cash is legal tender. Now what if a scenario came up that all credit card machines go down? Maybe the server, or whatever reason and it stays down for hours or days? I know it will never or cannot happen but if it did, then what? Most businesses should take cash, another form of payment is always a plus. Maybe you lose your wallet? But have cash?
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December 13th, 2022 at 10:45:41 AM permalink
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what if a scenario came up that all credit card machines go down? Maybe the server, or whatever reason and it stays down for hours or days? I know it will never or cannot happen but if it did, then what?



It will definitely happen eventually but people paying for a meal will be of little concern. There will eventually be a solar flare that happens and knocks out all electronics. Your computer, your phone, your car, your tv, etc. If it has a chip in it it will quit working. My guess is shortly after that civilization as we know it completely falls apart and may even disappear.
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December 13th, 2022 at 10:54:45 AM permalink
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Well noted on the drawbacks of dealing with cash. But cash is legal tender. Now what if a scenario came up that all credit card machines go down? Maybe the server, or whatever reason and it stays down for hours or days? I know it will never or cannot happen but if it did, then what? Most businesses should take cash, another form of payment is always a plus. Maybe you lose your wallet? But have cash?
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Has anyone ever been to a Fast food joint when their system is down? They won't sell you anything and have to shut down.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 13th, 2022 at 10:56:28 AM permalink
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Well noted on the drawbacks of dealing with cash. But cash is legal tender. Now what if a scenario came up that all credit card machines go down? Maybe the server, or whatever reason and it stays down for hours or days? I know it will never or cannot happen but if it did, then what? Most businesses should take cash, another form of payment is always a plus. Maybe you lose your wallet? But have cash?
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This happened to me. The merchant wrote the number/expiration date/etc…. down. And entered the charge once the system was fixed. I think it appeared on my account two days after the actual transaction.
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December 13th, 2022 at 10:59:30 AM permalink
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what if a scenario came up that all credit card machines go down? Maybe the server, or whatever reason and it stays down for hours or days? I know it will never or cannot happen but if it did, then what?



It will definitely happen eventually but people paying for a meal will be of little concern. There will eventually be a solar flare that happens and knocks out all electronics. Your computer, your phone, your car, your tv, etc. If it has a chip in it it will quit working. My guess is shortly after that civilization as we know it completely falls apart and may even disappear.
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That already happened during Y2K.

You should go into apocalypse survival supplies and bunker sales.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 13th, 2022 at 11:13:23 AM permalink
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what if a scenario came up that all credit card machines go down? Maybe the server, or whatever reason and it stays down for hours or days? I know it will never or cannot happen but if it did, then what?



It will definitely happen eventually but people paying for a meal will be of little concern. There will eventually be a solar flare that happens and knocks out all electronics. Your computer, your phone, your car, your tv, etc. If it has a chip in it it will quit working. My guess is shortly after that civilization as we know it completely falls apart and may even disappear.
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That already happened during Y2K.

You should go into apocalypse survival supplies and bunker sales.
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Just wait for January 19th 2038
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December 13th, 2022 at 12:14:34 PM permalink
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Quote: Vegasrider

what if a scenario came up that all credit card machines go down? Maybe the server, or whatever reason and it stays down for hours or days? I know it will never or cannot happen but if it did, then what?



It will definitely happen eventually but people paying for a meal will be of little concern. There will eventually be a solar flare that happens and knocks out all electronics. Your computer, your phone, your car, your tv, etc. If it has a chip in it it will quit working. My guess is shortly after that civilization as we know it completely falls apart and may even disappear.
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That already happened during Y2K.

You should go into apocalypse survival supplies and bunker sales.
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Just wait for January 19th 2038
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I gambled on Y2K and didn't prepare one bit, I was too busy trying to get busy, make money, and have fun.

Meanwhile, I knew a guy who had been buying everything and anything he could get his hands on, and he hunkered down. He listened to too much Art Bell, and God knows what. I assumed it was just because he was older, but he's just crazy.

If nothing catastrophic happens by 2038 I will just assume we are due for a catastrophic event and prepare.
I plan on cashing out all my bitcoin on November 5th 2037 when it reaches 800k. I will use that to buy my bunker, lots of Oxy(to sell and trade), survival food, crates of toilet paper(to sell and trade), guns & ammunition(to sell and trade).

Or, ill do nothing different than I would normally do.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 13th, 2022 at 1:48:58 PM permalink
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That already happened during Y2K.

You should go into apocalypse survival supplies and bunker sales.



People were scared of Y2K but we did actually have a huge solar burst back in the 1800's that they say if that happened again today all computer chips would be unusable.
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December 13th, 2022 at 2:18:58 PM permalink
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Quote: AxelWolf

That already happened during Y2K.

You should go into apocalypse survival supplies and bunker sales.



People were scared of Y2K but we did actually have a huge solar burst back in the 1800's that they say if that happened again today all computer chips would be unusable.
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I'm well prepared.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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