beanjay1
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January 7th, 2010 at 3:26:50 AM permalink
Hello Wiz,

Many thanks for an excellent web site. Can you tell me?:
If an online Casino has two different sets of table limits for the same game, do they use two different Random Number Generatorís. Surely a RGN is a RGN so there is no point in having two?

Example: The Casino has two different sets of table limits for Blackjack on two different sets of software. One is 50 cents to $30 and the other $2 to $100. If I want to use the 50 cent minimum bet and the £300 maximum bet, why canít I just switch between software on the Casino site? This seems to cut out any advantage of having two table limits, so why do they do it?
Thank you

Bob
groomi
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January 7th, 2010 at 5:19:26 AM permalink
I was also curious about this as they do it at a few casino's I've played
DJTeddyBear
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January 7th, 2010 at 6:19:24 AM permalink
Machines that simulate cards are supposed to simulate actual cards as if a live person was shuffling and dealing. I.E. No stacking the deck. Any reputable online casino should follow the same standard.

So why the different table limits?

Different payouts for poker and different rules for BJ.

With poker, you have to examine the paytable. With different limits, the paytable changes.

With BJ, you have to examine the rules: BJ pays 3:2 or 6:5? Surrender? re-splits? Dealer hit/stand on soft 17? Etc.
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January 7th, 2010 at 7:07:56 AM permalink
Table limits depend on time of day, day of week, and the game.

But generally the hierarchy is that the most liberal games have the highest minimums. That's because a game with an expected return of 2% (6-5 blackjack) will collect three times as much money as a liberal game of .66%.

With casino games on-line, I don't know their rationale for offering different limits on the exact same game.
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beanjay1
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January 7th, 2010 at 7:13:06 AM permalink
Thanks for that but I was thinking more of a single online Casino that has two different sets of table limits for Blackjack on two different sets of software. You can open the Casinos Blackjack software with limits 50 cents to $30 in one set of software then that same online Casino has another set of software that you can open with limits of $2 to $300.

I am trying to work out their reasons for this, but it is possible that a single online Casino may have reasons to operate a number of RNGís. Otherwise they may be manipulating something?
DJTeddyBear
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January 7th, 2010 at 7:28:03 AM permalink
Different software? Care to explain?

As I understand it, there's two sets of software. The 'server' software is what the casino uses on their end to manage and track account balances, and run the games. The 'client' software is what's running on your computer to allow you to interact with the casino's system. It shows you your balance, your bets, and the action on the game, but everything is operating on the casino's system.


So what do you mean by "Different Software" ?
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beanjay1
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January 7th, 2010 at 8:03:52 AM permalink
OK. I think Iíve answered my own question and Iím sorry if I got some of the terminology wrong. By different software I was referring to the different web pages you open for the games.

I think that each game, or variation of game, at online Casinoís has its own independent RNG. Please correct me if I am wrong.

The one I was referring to is Crypyologic European Rules Blackjack, with the only difference between the two web pages displaying the software being the min and max stakes. All other rules remain the same.
cardshark
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January 7th, 2010 at 9:07:34 AM permalink
I don't know about different table limits, but I do know that some online casinos use different RNGs for play money and real money. The reasoning is that for play money, they can use the RNG on your computer (in Windows or something - don't ask me, I'm not an expert in Windows,) because it is faster than using the RNG on their server and having to communicate the results over the internet. For real money, they insist on using the more robust RNG on their servers.
beanjay1
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January 8th, 2010 at 5:27:54 AM permalink
Thanks. I understand that the max and min bet limits are there to stop someone with an infinite bankroll from making a living at the game. I was just wondering if the same RNG was used when playing the same game under the same rules at the same online Casino but with a different set of limits? I now believe the answer to be no.A different RNG is used for different table limits (or different anything else for that matter)

Thanks to all for responding.
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January 8th, 2010 at 4:32:40 PM permalink
It's probably a different instance of the same RNG object. They only need to program one generator, but every time you start a new session (or hand, who knows), a new instance is seeded.
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