nullzero00
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March 27th, 2011 at 8:40:00 PM permalink
so if you are playing a game, say craps, and you make a bet for the dealers, what happens if the bet loses?

do the dealers still get the tip, or is it now raked in with the other losing bets?
minnesotajoe
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March 27th, 2011 at 8:41:07 PM permalink
It is raked in with the other losing bets
DJTeddyBear
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March 28th, 2011 at 4:56:29 AM permalink
That's why some dealers prefer that the tips be given to them directly. They are not gamblers, and/or know that gambling is a loosing proposition.

Other dealers prefer to be in the action themselves.

Many dealers, if asked their preference, will not say either way. They know that the difference is too small to worry about, and they'd rather let the gambler decide how to spend his money.

On the other hand, they will sometimes joke about it too. I was at a craps table, and as I was leaving, I said, "I'm not feeling it. I'm heading elsewhere. But I'm up $2, so here." With that, I tossed in $2. Without missing a beat, the dealer said, "Are you sure you're not up $5?"
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March 28th, 2011 at 5:48:01 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

On the other hand, they will sometimes joke about it too. I was at a craps table, and as I was leaving, I said, "I'm not feeling it. I'm heading elsewhere. But I'm up $2, so here." With that, I tossed in $2. Without missing a beat, the dealer said, "Are you sure you're not up $5?"



That is a sign of a fun dealer. Knowing just how far you can have fun with the players. One I asked if I could bet whites for him and he says, "yes, but also reds, greens, and blacks."
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March 28th, 2011 at 6:20:00 AM permalink
Its nice to have a fun crew now and then.

As to Dealer Hand In versus Toke Bet for the Dealers, its best to not ask which the dealer prefers since often casinos have a policy on responding to that question. The best thing to do if you want to ask is to ask the dealer which he thinks most dealers prefer. That way, he can answer more truthfully than he might otherwise be able to since he is not telling you anything about that casino or that crew but is merely responding to your very general question. Best thing though is not to waste time even if its a really slow table, just decide what you prefer and do it.

I prefer a bet for the dealers, so thats what I do. Sure if it loses they share my disappointment, but they usually say thank you and I guess the only real reason they say that is to alert the other players that someone is tipping the dealers.
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March 28th, 2011 at 6:40:53 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff


As to Dealer Hand In versus Toke Bet for the Dealers, its best to not ask which the dealer prefers since often casinos have a policy on responding to that question. The best thing to do if you want to ask is to ask the dealer which he thinks most dealers prefer. That way, he can answer more truthfully than he might otherwise be able to since he is not telling you anything about that casino or that crew but is merely responding to your very general question. Best thing though is not to waste time even if its a really slow table, just decide what you prefer and do it.

I prefer a bet for the dealers, so thats what I do. Sure if it loses they share my disappointment, but they usually say thank you and I guess the only real reason they say that is to alert the other players that someone is tipping the dealers.



I prefer a bet for the dealers as deep down I think most of them are gamblers even if they know players are losers long-term. They gamble on getting the tokes in the first place, working for $4/hr or so. I've played enough poker at one casino with dealers from another, most are some sort of player or another.
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DJTeddyBear
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March 28th, 2011 at 7:21:00 AM permalink
For what it's worth, poker is a completely different animal.

For one thing, poker dealer tend to make the most money in tips of all the dealers.

For another thing, poker is far more of a skill game than anything other game. And the best way to get poker experience, without risking any money, is as a dealer.
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March 28th, 2011 at 11:01:14 AM permalink
Poker is different because you can't bet for the dealer, and because someone wins every hand. Gonna have to disagree with you on the other part though. Dealers are notoriously bad players and gamblers. You would think that they would "learn" but the fact is the reason a lot of dealers got into the business is because they liked the "action". As far as tips are concerned, poker dealers often get to keep their own, which is a benefit as opposed to a tip pool like with most table games in most casinos, but in a keep your own place, blackjack blows poker away.
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April 15th, 2011 at 5:33:48 PM permalink
The house edge is much less significant for the dealer than the player, given that a player's bankroll is likely to be bet through say 10 times, meaning the player is exposed to 10 times the edge on average, whereas a tip is only bet once and then it's in his pocket.

The only reason casino games can operate on 90%+ paybacks while still maintaining those big fountains and volcanoes is that they get more than one bite at your cherry.
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April 15th, 2011 at 9:58:54 PM permalink
They had a great tipping deal at Coushatta (Kinder, LA) for the Mississippi Stud game...basically, no one tipped at all until they had a "winner"...then they were allowed to put down up to their initial bet ($5 or $10 in most cases) as a dealer bet. It couldn't lose. The toke box was filled ALL the time. They changed the policy and tokes went down $2,000 a week on just the two Mississippi Stud tables. The new policy allows you to bet for the dealer on all of the "streets" if you bet the "ante" but you can't go any higher than a dollar if you skip any of them...that cut the tips way down on the table. On top of that, the pit folks don't know how it works now...I heard three different rulings on the same situation in an hour

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