RW Tresspass
I wasn't AP (mostly baccarat), had no incidents with security and left the property with my host fully comping off my bill. The letter came from "legal and compliance," but I've had nothing in my past - either legally or with other casinos - that would lead to seem to be a trigger for such a ban.
So the compliance department has been nothing but cold and dismissive when I've politely reached out. Does anyone have suggestions as to the best course of action? Is it worth hiring a lawyer to try to negotiate lifting the ban on my behalf?
Are you a cash or credit player. Start there. And explain exactly where your money comes from. When you lose how do you pay them? When you win how do you cash chips / withdraw funds / and with what frequency withdrawals and what sort of dollar amounts. Cash or check withdrawals?
If you’re not willing to air all that and more no one here may offer more than guesses.
If I lose, that's that unless I do another buy in using a card.
If I win, I'll either get cash immediately or get a check. On the most recent trip, I had two winning sessions over 5 days. On the largest win, I had planned to leave LV so I took the cash to the bank and deposited it so I wasn't traveling with it. At the last second, we stayed an extra night, so I did a final card advance and lost that.
Have you done any buying or selling of... materials... on their property, or were you with anyone who has?
The exact language from the letter was "Resorts World Las Vegas (the “Company) has conducted a review of your gaming activities and transactions..."
I only use my personal debit cards. My only thought is that it instead of like 1 $15K transaction, there's 3 transactions totaling that amount, because I'd rather keep money in the bank if things go well.
You were asked not to return to the property at all?Quote: trojanplayerHave stayed at RW since Day 1. Always had a wonderful experience. Out of left field I received a letter 2 days after my most recent trip (a winning one finally, too) that I was trespassed.
I wasn't AP (mostly baccarat), had no incidents with security and left the property with my host fully comping off my bill. The letter came from "legal and compliance," but I've had nothing in my past - either legally or with other casinos - that would lead to seem to be a trigger for such a ban.
So the compliance department has been nothing but cold and dismissive when I've politely reached out. Does anyone have suggestions as to the best course of action? Is it worth hiring a lawyer to try to negotiate lifting the ban on my behalf?
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Everyone I know who has had trouble there has been asked not to gamble, but they have been told they can eat and stay at the property.
Can you block out your name and personal info and post up the letter sent to you?
Sources familiar with the situation tell us her beach house is completely gone after being burned to a crisp in the devastating Palisades fire.
Quote: AxelWolfYou were asked not to return to the property at all?Quote: trojanplayerHave stayed at RW since Day 1. Always had a wonderful experience. Out of left field I received a letter 2 days after my most recent trip (a winning one finally, too) that I was trespassed.
I wasn't AP (mostly baccarat), had no incidents with security and left the property with my host fully comping off my bill. The letter came from "legal and compliance," but I've had nothing in my past - either legally or with other casinos - that would lead to seem to be a trigger for such a ban.
So the compliance department has been nothing but cold and dismissive when I've politely reached out. Does anyone have suggestions as to the best course of action? Is it worth hiring a lawyer to try to negotiate lifting the ban on my behalf?
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Everyone I know who has had trouble there has been asked not to gamble, but they have been told they can eat and stay at the property.
Can you block out your name and personal info and post up the letter sent to you?
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"This letter is to inform you that Legal and Compliance have reviewed your recent conduct and/or transactions with Resorts World Las Vegas LLC (the "Company"). As a result, the Company has determined that you are no longer welcome on Company property. You are hereby prohibited from entering Company property at any time in the future without written permission from Resorts World Las Vegas' Senior Management.
To be clear, your exclusion from the Company property applies to any property or building that is currently or in the future owned, operated or managed by Resorts World Las Vegas LLC. Please be advised that if you are found on any such property, the Company's Security Department will not hesitate to take any and all steps necessary to effectuate your removal from the property, as well as pursuing all other legal rights and remedies the Company has under law, including referral of criminal trespass to the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department (see, NRS207.200(1))-
In addition, your membership in the Resorts World Las Vegas Genting Rewards program is hereby immediately terminated pursuant to the Genting Rewards Rules and Regulations /privacy-and-statements. As a result, you are no longer eligible to earn Rewards Credits or reapply for membership in the future. In addition, you can no longer redeem any of your accrued Rewards Credits or use any other Genting Rewards benefits, including Genting Rewards offers relating to gaming, dining, lodging or other services. If you attempt to use any Genting Rewards benefits or attempt to use another person's Genting Rewards account, we reserve the right to take any action and pursue any legal remedies available to us.
This letter is not intended to be a waiver of any rights or remedies of Resorts World Las Vegas, all of which are expressly reserved. In particular, this letter shall not waive or otherwise impact your liability for any outstanding obligations owed to Resorts World Las Vegas on account of extended credit or otherwise.
Thank you for your attention to this matter and your cooperation going forward."
The follow up email said a bit more specifically:
"...has conducted a review of your gaming activities and/or transactions"
However, keep in mind that RW Vegas has had mucho problemos lately with allegations and fines for allowing people with booking convictions who should not be gaming to game, and with alleged AML violations.
https://www.moneylaunderingnews.com/2024/08/nevada-gaming-control-board-alleges-casino-aml-failures-based-on-wagering-of-customers-involved-in-illegal-bookmaking/
Right now all of the casinos are paranoid about AML issues. You got caught up in that. The cash and other transactions you describe seem harmless, but somehow Compliance is unhappy with something about you or your activity.
I predict that not only will you get nowhere with getting reinstated, but as well you will never get a clear answer as to exactly what the issue is. And if you push enough, it is very remotely possible but unlikely that they might convince other properties to ban you as well.
Quote: trojanplayerNope, nothing like that.
The exact language from the letter was "Resorts World Las Vegas (the “Company) has conducted a review of your gaming activities and transactions..."
I only use my personal debit cards. My only thought is that it instead of like 1 $15K transaction, there's 3 transactions totaling that amount, because I'd rather keep money in the bank if things go well.
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OK, then it's probably a "structuring" or money laundering suspicion. Who knows why?
Quote: ChumpChangeParis Hilton's beachfront home in Malibu has been reduced to a pile of burning rubble ... TMZ has learned.
Sources familiar with the situation tell us her beach house is completely gone after being burned to a crisp in the devastating Palisades fire.
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I'm assuming this was meant for the LA fire thread.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/gambling/39797-live-la-fire-stream/#post946016
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Interesting, I think there is something missing in all this, perhaps something you don't even realize.Quote: trojanplayerQuote: AxelWolfYou were asked not to return to the property at all?Quote: trojanplayerHave stayed at RW since Day 1. Always had a wonderful experience. Out of left field I received a letter 2 days after my most recent trip (a winning one finally, too) that I was trespassed.
I wasn't AP (mostly baccarat), had no incidents with security and left the property with my host fully comping off my bill. The letter came from "legal and compliance," but I've had nothing in my past - either legally or with other casinos - that would lead to seem to be a trigger for such a ban.
So the compliance department has been nothing but cold and dismissive when I've politely reached out. Does anyone have suggestions as to the best course of action? Is it worth hiring a lawyer to try to negotiate lifting the ban on my behalf?
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Everyone I know who has had trouble there has been asked not to gamble, but they have been told they can eat and stay at the property.
Can you block out your name and personal info and post up the letter sent to you?
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Just going to post the text:
"This letter is to inform you that Legal and Compliance have reviewed your recent conduct and/or transactions with Resorts World Las Vegas LLC (the "Company"). As a result, the Company has determined that you are no longer welcome on Company property. You are hereby prohibited from entering Company property at any time in the future without written permission from Resorts World Las Vegas' Senior Management.
To be clear, your exclusion from the Company property applies to any property or building that is currently or in the future owned, operated or managed by Resorts World Las Vegas LLC. Please be advised that if you are found on any such property, the Company's Security Department will not hesitate to take any and all steps necessary to effectuate your removal from the property, as well as pursuing all other legal rights and remedies the Company has under law, including referral of criminal trespass to the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department (see, NRS207.200(1))-
In addition, your membership in the Resorts World Las Vegas Genting Rewards program is hereby immediately terminated pursuant to the Genting Rewards Rules and Regulations /privacy-and-statements. As a result, you are no longer eligible to earn Rewards Credits or reapply for membership in the future. In addition, you can no longer redeem any of your accrued Rewards Credits or use any other Genting Rewards benefits, including Genting Rewards offers relating to gaming, dining, lodging or other services. If you attempt to use any Genting Rewards benefits or attempt to use another person's Genting Rewards account, we reserve the right to take any action and pursue any legal remedies available to us.
This letter is not intended to be a waiver of any rights or remedies of Resorts World Las Vegas, all of which are expressly reserved. In particular, this letter shall not waive or otherwise impact your liability for any outstanding obligations owed to Resorts World Las Vegas on account of extended credit or otherwise.
Thank you for your attention to this matter and your cooperation going forward."
The follow up email said a bit more specifically:
"...has conducted a review of your gaming activities and/or transactions"
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Quote: DieterQuote: ChumpChangeParis Hilton's beachfront home in Malibu has been reduced to a pile of burning rubble ... TMZ has learned.
Sources familiar with the situation tell us her beach house is completely gone after being burned to a crisp in the devastating Palisades fire.
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I'm assuming this was meant for the LA fire thread.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/gambling/39797-live-la-fire-stream/#post946016
Take a few days off, and remember to be deliberate in your posting.
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If it was an honest mistake which seems the case since there is currently a fire thread should he really be banned?
Quote: MDawgThe fact that you say that, shows me how little you know about how casinos work.
How about if you go deposit $9000. cash at the cage at Wynn, go play a few hands of whatever, such that your win or loss is in the hundreds of dollars only, and then go back to the cage and get one check for the entire withdrawal - the $9000. plus or minus the few hundred.
If you can do that, I'll give you $25,000.
If you cannot, you will give me $25,000.
At least you should know what you need to do or not do to even get the cage to accept your money. But you won't get a check for other than the few hundred you might win, no matter what.
A check will never be issued for other than verified winnings, or for return of non-cash deposit. Until you understand that, waste of time to debate with you.
I'll leave this Challenge offer open until tomorrow. If you accept it we can figure out how to police it, but we really need little policing because you cannot get it done.
And for a credit only player like me, any check I get is for winnings only. Simple.
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Quote: WizardAs to the one about the $9,000 and getting a check, I think Mdawg is right on that one. There are strict regulations against laundering cash for checks and the Vegas casinos I find are strict about following them, to varying degrees. I would like to bet on Mdawg's side of that challenge.
Show me where I ever said I could go to the Wynn and get it done? Please quote what I said I can do, and then see if you and Mike want to take that bet. And later on, weren't you advised not to take the bet? If so, why were you advised not to? Or was that something else?Quote: MDawgAnd yet you still have someone like A.Wolf not comprehending what an easy winning wager for me this was I proposed to him.
Quote: MDawgThe fact that you say that, shows me how little you know about how casinos work.
How about if you go deposit $9000. cash at the cage at Wynn, go play a few hands of whatever, such that your win or loss is in the hundreds of dollars only, and then go back to the cage and get one check for the entire withdrawal - the $9000. plus or minus the few hundred.
If you can do that, I'll give you $25,000.
If you cannot, you will give me $25,000.
At least you should know what you need to do or not do to even get the cage to accept your money. But you won't get a check for other than the few hundred you might win, no matter what.
A check will never be issued for other than verified winnings, or for return of non-cash deposit. Until you understand that, waste of time to debate with you.
I'll leave this Challenge offer open until tomorrow. If you accept it we can figure out how to police it, but we really need little policing because you cannot get it done.
And for a credit only player like me, any check I get is for winnings only. Simple.
link to original postQuote: WizardAs to the one about the $9,000 and getting a check, I think Mdawg is right on that one. There are strict regulations against laundering cash for checks and the Vegas casinos I find are strict about following them, to varying degrees. I would like to bet on Mdawg's side of that challenge.
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If I say I can do something, I can, but I'm not letting you dictate when where, and how I can or can't do something.
Didn't you say that casinos never tell you they are CTR'ing you or give you or ever physical proof?
Quote: darkozQuote: DieterQuote: ChumpChangeParis Hilton's beachfront home in Malibu has been reduced to a pile of burning rubble ... TMZ has learned.
Sources familiar with the situation tell us her beach house is completely gone after being burned to a crisp in the devastating Palisades fire.
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I'm assuming this was meant for the LA fire thread.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/gambling/39797-live-la-fire-stream/#post946016
Take a few days off, and remember to be deliberate in your posting.
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If it was an honest mistake which seems the case since there is currently a fire thread should he really be banned?
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Do you need me to show you 500 other similar examples from CC?
Anyway, so as not to be suspended for hijacking, I think the 3 $5000 cash outs could easily ‘look’ like structuring. And my money is on that being the reason for the 86. But as a few have mentioned, we’ll likely never know.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: darkozQuote: DieterQuote: ChumpChangeParis Hilton's beachfront home in Malibu has been reduced to a pile of burning rubble ... TMZ has learned.
Sources familiar with the situation tell us her beach house is completely gone after being burned to a crisp in the devastating Palisades fire.
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I'm assuming this was meant for the LA fire thread.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/gambling/39797-live-la-fire-stream/#post946016
Take a few days off, and remember to be deliberate in your posting.
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If it was an honest mistake which seems the case since there is currently a fire thread should he really be banned?
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Do you need me to show you 500 other similar examples from CC?
Anyway, so as not to be suspended for hijacking, I think the 3 $5000 cash outs could easily ‘look’ like structuring. And my money is on that being the reason for the 86. But as a few have mentioned, we’ll likely never know.
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It’s the only thing he remember doing and tbh, people should be able to do whatever it is they want with the paper they own, but it doesn’t matter how much it is - from my understanding of the situation - but the amount of money being spent in a period of time is what causes the casinos to have to file their AML reports. So it for sure is an amount of money, and to me the amount of time the money was spent in, AND the fact that he did it in 3 smaller amounts but still ended up spending his normal amount anyways, I would consider it to be an outlier data wise that someone or anyone can determine to be suspicious. Man I suck at run on sentences.
Plus this guy has a host meaning he’s practically a recreational player. They know him well.
Were these cards in your name sir?
the way you offered to buy Wizard's watch sight unseen, qualified it later repeatedly including with "if it's a good deal," then backed out.
FIRST,
THEN,
then backed out....
P.S. Even when you make an unconditional offer you ask questions ("What's the value of the watch?") - that sort of thing makes me sick, when people make offers THEN ask questions. Questions should be asked first, before an offer is made.
In business if someone makes an offer to me and then asks a question after doing so, I will never take such a person seriously again.
Quote: MDawgWhen someone quotes my Challenge in its entirety and replies, "How about I get a check from the casino" that means he thinks he can do it. Unless of course he's just talking or hasn't even read it (even though he just quoted it!) and has no intention of following through,
the way you offered to buy Wizard's watch sight unseen, qualified it later repeatedly including with "if it's a good deal," then backed out.
FIRST,
THEN,
then backed out....
P.S. Even when you make an unconditional offer you ask questions ("What's the value of the watch?") - that sort of thing makes me sick, when people make offers THEN ask questions. Questions should be asked first, before an offer is made.
In business if someone makes an offer to me and then asks a question after doing so, I will never take such a person seriously again.
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Warning: This is a hijack of this thread and will result in suspensions if it continues. As a more general warning, I think that many of us are tired of MDawg continually confronting Axelwolf with this challenge-related issue (and the check-cashing subject) on many many threads in this forum. Step 1 is to politely ask MDawg (and Axel) to knock it off; we don't want to hear about this subject.
Why are you including me in your politely asking? I was responding on the topic to the OP when I was suddnely harassed By MDawg because he didn't seem to like my response to the OP, a response that even Mike echoed. Not only was it hijacking it was also harassment.Quote: gordonm888Quote: MDawgWhen someone quotes my Challenge in its entirety and replies, "How about I get a check from the casino" that means he thinks he can do it. Unless of course he's just talking or hasn't even read it (even though he just quoted it!) and has no intention of following through,
the way you offered to buy Wizard's watch sight unseen, qualified it later repeatedly including with "if it's a good deal," then backed out.
FIRST,
THEN,
then backed out....
P.S. Even when you make an unconditional offer you ask questions ("What's the value of the watch?") - that sort of thing makes me sick, when people make offers THEN ask questions. Questions should be asked first, before an offer is made.
In business if someone makes an offer to me and then asks a question after doing so, I will never take such a person seriously again.
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Warning: This is a hijack of this thread and will result in suspensions if it continues. As a more general warning, I think that many of us are tired of MDawg continually confronting Axelwolf with this challenge-related issue (and the check-cashing subject) on many many threads in this forum. Step 1 is to politely ask MDawg (and Axel) to knock it off; we don't want to hear about this subject.
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Quote: AxelWolfInteresting, I think there is something missing in all this, perhaps something you don't even realize.
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Quote: WizardI have a feeling there is something you're not telling us.
He is wrong, I'm right PERIOD.
Quote: gordonm888Quote: MDawgWhen someone quotes my Challenge in its entirety and replies, "How about I get a check from the casino" that means he thinks he can do it. Unless of course he's just talking or hasn't even read it (even though he just quoted it!) and has no intention of following through,
the way you offered to buy Wizard's watch sight unseen, qualified it later repeatedly including with "if it's a good deal," then backed out.
FIRST,
THEN,
then backed out....
P.S. Even when you make an unconditional offer you ask questions ("What's the value of the watch?") - that sort of thing makes me sick, when people make offers THEN ask questions. Questions should be asked first, before an offer is made.
In business if someone makes an offer to me and then asks a question after doing so, I will never take such a person seriously again.
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Warning: This is a hijack of this thread and will result in suspensions if it continues. As a more general warning, I think that many of us are tired of MDawg continually confronting Axelwolf with this challenge-related issue (and the check-cashing subject) on many many threads in this forum. Step 1 is to politely ask MDawg (and Axel) to knock it off; we don't want to hear about this subject.
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Seriously. No one gives a shit about their stupid argument.
Back on topic. OP was most likely banned for suspected money laundering.
Of all places I would not care if one casino nixed me it would be Vegas. Where I have so many choices to play.
And RW has only one major resort in the area. It's not like Caesars or MGM where half the strip suddenly is nixed.
My own "suspicious" radar is raised
Quote: trojanplayerAs a result, you are no longer eligible to earn Rewards Credits or reapply for membership in the future. In addition, you can no longer redeem any of your accrued Rewards Credits or use any other Genting Rewards benefits, including Genting Rewards offers relating to gaming, dining, lodging or other services.
This can be fought and won if your balance justifies getting an attorney involved. In the past comps have been excluded because they are not due to you, but any points or cash back can be collected.
Quote: SlotenthusiastSeriously. No one gives a shit about their stupid argument.
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Profanity. Three-day suspension.
Quote: DRichQuote: trojanplayerAs a result, you are no longer eligible to earn Rewards Credits or reapply for membership in the future. In addition, you can no longer redeem any of your accrued Rewards Credits or use any other Genting Rewards benefits, including Genting Rewards offers relating to gaming, dining, lodging or other services.
This can be fought and won if your balance justifies getting an attorney involved. In the past comps have been excluded because they are not due to you, but any points or cash back can be collected.
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You think so? The terms and conditions of Player Rewards programs address this. It’s a jerk off move to wipe out your points/dollars but within their rights if it’s written up.
For example, from Wynn:
Violation of these Terms and Conditions including, without limitation, misuse of a Card or account to manipulate accumulation of benefits, other improper conduct as determined by management, or if a member is barred from the resort(s) or from gaming play by management for business reasons, may subject the member, without limitation, to forfeiture of the Account, slot points, FREECREDIT, COMPDOLLARS, any associated benefits, and membership, appropriate administrative and/or legal action by Wynn, and/or, if member is a WynnBET patron, suspension of member’s WynnBET account in management's discretion. In addition, Wynn reserves the rights to take appropriate legal action to recover damages, including its attorneys’ fees incurred in prosecuting or defending any lawsuit or other administrative or legal process related hereto.
Quote: MDawgQuote: DRichQuote: trojanplayerAs a result, you are no longer eligible to earn Rewards Credits or reapply for membership in the future. In addition, you can no longer redeem any of your accrued Rewards Credits or use any other Genting Rewards benefits, including Genting Rewards offers relating to gaming, dining, lodging or other services.
This can be fought and won if your balance justifies getting an attorney involved. In the past comps have been excluded because they are not due to you, but any points or cash back can be collected.
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You think so? The terms and conditions of Player Rewards programs address this. It’s a jerk off move to wipe out your points/dollars but within their rights if it’s written up.
For example, from Wynn:
Violation of these Terms and Conditions including, without limitation, misuse of a Card or account to manipulate accumulation of benefits, other improper conduct as determined by management, or if a member is barred from the resort(s) or from gaming play by management for business reasons, may subject the member, without limitation, to forfeiture of the Account, slot points, FREECREDIT, COMPDOLLARS, any associated benefits, and membership, appropriate administrative and/or legal action by Wynn, and/or, if member is a WynnBET patron, suspension of member’s WynnBET account in management's discretion. In addition, Wynn reserves the rights to take appropriate legal action to recover damages, including its attorneys’ fees incurred in prosecuting or defending any lawsuit or other administrative or legal process related hereto.
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I can't comment on specific casinos, but in the past Nevada Gaming has found for players in these situations.
Quote: MDawgQuote: DRichQuote: trojanplayerAs a result, you are no longer eligible to earn Rewards Credits or reapply for membership in the future. In addition, you can no longer redeem any of your accrued Rewards Credits or use any other Genting Rewards benefits, including Genting Rewards offers relating to gaming, dining, lodging or other services.
This can be fought and won if your balance justifies getting an attorney involved. In the past comps have been excluded because they are not due to you, but any points or cash back can be collected.
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You think so? The terms and conditions of Player Rewards programs address this. It’s a jerk off move to wipe out your points/dollars but within their rights if it’s written up.
For example, from Wynn:
Violation of these Terms and Conditions including, without limitation, misuse of a Card or account to manipulate accumulation of benefits, other improper conduct as determined by management, or if a member is barred from the resort(s) or from gaming play by management for business reasons, may subject the member, without limitation, to forfeiture of the Account, slot points, FREECREDIT, COMPDOLLARS, any associated benefits, and membership, appropriate administrative and/or legal action by Wynn, and/or, if member is a WynnBET patron, suspension of member’s WynnBET account in management's discretion. In addition, Wynn reserves the rights to take appropriate legal action to recover damages, including its attorneys’ fees incurred in prosecuting or defending any lawsuit or other administrative or legal process related hereto.
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DRich is correct. There have been at least one or two cases and gaming sided with the players.
I seem to recall that points were accrued based on a set mathematical formula as a rebate to the player therefore they were owed and not conditional or arbitrary. Something to that effect.
Similar to interest at the bank. If the bank closes your account they have to give you back your money and that includes interest you accrued. They don't get to renege on paying you for interest that you earned.
As a lawyer you should know that businesses often include illegal language in their contracts and that illegal language is unenforceable in court.
It's why most standard contracts have a clause near the end that if any clause is found unenforceable that does not terminate the rest of the contract.
Again as a lawyer you should know that,. just wondering.
Quote: MDawgAs someone who has read enough of your posts I know to disregard your legal (and many other) opinions. “To wit” 🙂 - a general rule of thumb for me, If it’s good enough for D.Oz….
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And as someone who's read enough of your posts when you don't dispute the specifics of my post you already know I am correct and just post some general misgivings
Thanks for ceding my point.
