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February 18th, 2023 at 9:33:03 AM permalink
Suppose you gamble away all your familyís money in a For-charity gambling event. Sin or blessing? Sin and Blessing?
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February 18th, 2023 at 9:42:07 AM permalink
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That would not work in Islam as using the instruments of gambling for any reason, even non-gambling reasons, is also sinful.
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They still play cards. There is even a national championship in Saudi Arabia.

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Speaking of omniscience, in theory, God would gain no thrill from betting on anything as he already knows the result ahead of time.
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Yes, but also, in theory, God is omnipotent so he would have the power to temporarily "turn off" his omniscience so he would be able to gamble on unknown outcomes.
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February 18th, 2023 at 9:42:25 AM permalink
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The story of Job is just plain strange.
I, for one, can't imagine God and Satan sitting around, shooting the shit when Satan casually brings up Job. It's as if two Vermont farmers were leaning over their fence discussing their prize cow, or the Mortimer Brothers were making their usual bet on something stupid.
There are a handful of chapters that cause me to shake my head at their inclusion, especially when so many chapters that were excluded are now easily available.
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I mean, God asked Abraham to sacrifice Isaac as proof of faith and pretty much sold it until the end. Abraham had even pulled out his dagger, so that makes for some interesting father-son bonding. In any event, the whole test of faith is far from unprecedented.

Evidently, they weren't just shooting the breeze. There was a gathering of angels and, 'Satan,' basically said he was just running around from here to there. In fact, it was God to first start bragging on Job, so it's not as if, 'Satan,' who may not have literally been Lucifer in this instance, just started talking smack.

Some have speculated that the Book of Job exists as an illustration that human suffering will sometimes exist through no fault of the human in question. In fact, the way the story is presented, Job is as faultless as anyone could be and, in fact, it was the very strength of his faith that brought about this temporary suffering.

Another concept that Job is meant to illustrate is that, even when things go badly, for those who are truly faithful, all will be made right in the end.

The rest of the story of Job would have, 'Satan,' say that the line of not actually harming Job needed to be crossed to truly prove Job's faith, so they crossed that line, Job's wife questioned God; Job remained resolute. 'Satan,' was allowed to do anything short of killing Job, although, God's point would have been proven even if he had killed Job. Job essentially asked his wife how we could be meant to enjoy the good things of this world without ever experiencing occasional hardship? In the next few chapters, Job is essentially encouraged to turn away from God, but he blames himself and asks God what he could have possibly done to deserve this fate. Job wishes to atone, but he doesn't know where he might have sinned. He also makes a great defense for why Stockholm Syndrome isn't really so bad. Basically asking, "Who am I to question God's motivations?" Basically, defending his tormentor, even though, as it turns out...he wasn't being tormented for doing anything wrong, but rather, for being the most righteous.

And, you know, some stuff about the reckoning even if things don't improve for Job on Earth.

And then God spoke to directly to Job, Job admitted his inferiority and said that God is not for him to question...so then God effectively made him a saint to his three errant friends and gave him even more stuff than he had before.

Even if this hadn't happened on Earth, it would have happened in Heaven, so that's kind of why the Book of Job is taught. In the end, if you keep your faith in God, then all shall be rewarded. Perhaps the origin of the notion that, "Thoughts and prayers," will solve everything; I don't know. Also, unquestioning obedience to theocratic authority. The Book of Job really checks a ton of boxes for some denominations.
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February 18th, 2023 at 9:43:47 AM permalink
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That would not work in Islam as using the instruments of gambling for any reason, even non-gambling reasons, is also sinful.
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They still play cards. There is even a national championship in Saudi Arabia.

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Speaking of omniscience, in theory, God would gain no thrill from betting on anything as he already knows the result ahead of time.
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Yes, but also, in theory, God is omnipotent so he would have the power to temporarily "turn off" his omniscience so he would be able to gamble on unknown outcomes.
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That almost didn't go so well in the movie, Dogma.

By the letter of the law, they aren't supposed to use instruments of gambling. On the other hand, Christians occasionally violate The Ten Commandments, so there you go.
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February 18th, 2023 at 10:00:56 AM permalink
TigerWu,

I just checked your link; can you even gamble on that game? By, "Instruments of gambling," it's more like they couldn't play poker using chips and our type of playing cards even if there was no actual money at stake. I mean, some elements of the religion have literally forbidden chess.
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February 18th, 2023 at 10:07:38 AM permalink
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TigerWu,

I just checked your link; can you even gamble on that game? By, "Instruments of gambling," it's more like they couldn't play poker using chips and our type of playing cards even if there was no actual money at stake. I mean, some elements of the religion have literally forbidden chess.
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Pretty sure they don't gamble, but they do use Western/European style playing cards. Baloot is played with a 32 card deck.
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February 18th, 2023 at 10:27:00 AM permalink
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As I pointed out on the WoO page, many Christian denominations simply do not consider the act of gambling, in and of itself, as sinful. All of them acknowledge that it can lead to sin.

The strictest religion on gambling is Islam, with exception to those two forms of gambling that are specifically permitted. Evidently, gambling is not even a forgivable sin in that religion, but no other religion takes a view even close to that.

And some do.
Some Pentecostal groups are fairly strict.
You do realize that Islam has approximately 2 billion followers, it's not far behind Christianity.

I'm not sure I would like those odds if I was dealing with such a serious matter.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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February 18th, 2023 at 10:40:32 AM permalink
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As I pointed out on the WoO page, many Christian denominations simply do not consider the act of gambling, in and of itself, as sinful. All of them acknowledge that it can lead to sin.

The strictest religion on gambling is Islam, with exception to those two forms of gambling that are specifically permitted. Evidently, gambling is not even a forgivable sin in that religion, but no other religion takes a view even close to that.

And some do.
Some Pentecostal groups are fairly strict.
You do realize that Islam has approximately 2 billion followers, it's not far behind Christianity.

I'm not sure I would like those odds if I was dealing with such a serious matter.
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The odds are irrelevant; you said they're not supposed to gamble anyway. JK

You're quite correct on Pentecostals, which Apostolic would also fall into, I believe. You can basically think of Apostolic as, "Amish, except electricity is fine." You could look up a list of all of the Apostolic rules; I will see you in three days when you get done reading it. JK

As mentioned on my WoO page, the Baptist group, Southern Baptist Churches flatly declares that gambling is a sin in all contexts, whereas the group, American Baptist Churches disagrees and does not go as far as to say an individual gambling is automatically a sin. As with the others, they do warn against gambling out of greed or losing so much you can no longer provide, etc, it obviously cannot cross a line into sloth, either.

Honestly, I would be inclined to call Christianity a fairly even split if you do not include Catholics. If you include Catholics, who do not think individual acts of gambling are automatically sinful, then the conclusion has to be that the majority of Christians do not think gambling is a sin by virtue of the fact that Catholics, taken alone, represent nearly a majority of Christians.

Again, when you look at Judaism, that can really just come down to which Rabbi you ask.

The Christian denominations who want to make their case for it present arguments that gambling must be a sin because x, y and z are sins, so because gambling, therefore x, y, or z...or some combination of x, y and z. As far as I can tell, there is no Christian denomination that claims that God has specifically handed down, via The Bible, that gambling is a sin because no such Bible verse exists.

To that extent, I think that some denominations are a bit more hesitant to put words into God's mouth, as well.
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February 18th, 2023 at 10:44:58 AM permalink
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As I pointed out on the WoO page, many Christian denominations simply do not consider the act of gambling, in and of itself, as sinful. All of them acknowledge that it can lead to sin.

The strictest religion on gambling is Islam, with exception to those two forms of gambling that are specifically permitted. Evidently, gambling is not even a forgivable sin in that religion, but no other religion takes a view even close to that.

And some do.
Some Pentecostal groups are fairly strict.
You do realize that Islam has approximately 2 billion followers, it's not far behind Christianity.

I'm not sure I would like those odds if I was dealing with such a serious matter.
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The odds are irrelevant; you said they're not supposed to gamble anyway. JK

You're quite correct on Pentecostals, which Apostolic would also fall into, I believe. You can basically think of Apostolic as, "Amish, except electricity is fine." You could look up a list of all of the Apostolic rules; I will see you in three days when you get done reading it. JK

As mentioned on my WoO page, the Baptist group, Southern Baptist Churches flatly declares that gambling is a sin in all contexts, whereas the group, American Baptist Churches disagrees and does not go as far as to say an individual gambling is automatically a sin. As with the others, they do warn against gambling out of greed or losing so much you can no longer provide, etc, it obviously cannot cross a line into sloth, either.

Honestly, I would be inclined to call Christianity a fairly even split if you do not include Catholics. If you include Catholics, who do not think individual acts of gambling are automatically sinful, then the conclusion has to be that the majority of Christians do not think gambling is a sin by virtue of the fact that Catholics, taken alone, represent nearly a majority of Christians.

Again, when you look at Judaism, that can really just come down to which Rabbi you ask.

The Christian denominations who want to make their case for it present arguments that gambling must be a sin because x, y and z are sins, so because gambling, therefore x, y, or z...or some combination of x, y and z. As far as I can tell, there is no Christian denomination that claims that God has specifically handed down, via The Bible, that gambling is a sin because no such Bible verse exists.

To that extent, I think that some denominations are a bit more hesitant to put words into God's mouth, as well.
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Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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February 18th, 2023 at 5:03:13 PM permalink
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As I pointed out on the WoO page, many Christian denominations simply do not consider the act of gambling, in and of itself, as sinful. All of them acknowledge that it can lead to sin.

The strictest religion on gambling is Islam, with exception to those two forms of gambling that are specifically permitted. Evidently, gambling is not even a forgivable sin in that religion, but no other religion takes a view even close to that.

And some do.
Some Pentecostal groups are fairly strict.
You do realize that Islam has approximately 2 billion followers, it's not far behind Christianity.

I'm not sure I would like those odds if I was dealing with such a serious matter.
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The odds are irrelevant; you said they're not supposed to gamble anyway. JK

You're quite correct on Pentecostals, which Apostolic would also fall into, I believe. You can basically think of Apostolic as, "Amish, except electricity is fine." You could look up a list of all of the Apostolic rules; I will see you in three days when you get done reading it. JK

As mentioned on my WoO page, the Baptist group, Southern Baptist Churches flatly declares that gambling is a sin in all contexts, whereas the group, American Baptist Churches disagrees and does not go as far as to say an individual gambling is automatically a sin. As with the others, they do warn against gambling out of greed or losing so much you can no longer provide, etc, it obviously cannot cross a line into sloth, either.

Honestly, I would be inclined to call Christianity a fairly even split if you do not include Catholics. If you include Catholics, who do not think individual acts of gambling are automatically sinful, then the conclusion has to be that the majority of Christians do not think gambling is a sin by virtue of the fact that Catholics, taken alone, represent nearly a majority of Christians.

Again, when you look at Judaism, that can really just come down to which Rabbi you ask.

The Christian denominations who want to make their case for it present arguments that gambling must be a sin because x, y and z are sins, so because gambling, therefore x, y, or z...or some combination of x, y and z. As far as I can tell, there is no Christian denomination that claims that God has specifically handed down, via The Bible, that gambling is a sin because no such Bible verse exists.

To that extent, I think that some denominations are a bit more hesitant to put words into God's mouth, as well.
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Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
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How would know what a false prophet, or even a real one is? You aren't a believer.
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February 19th, 2023 at 12:34:58 AM permalink
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As I pointed out on the WoO page, many Christian denominations simply do not consider the act of gambling, in and of itself, as sinful. All of them acknowledge that it can lead to sin.

The strictest religion on gambling is Islam, with exception to those two forms of gambling that are specifically permitted. Evidently, gambling is not even a forgivable sin in that religion, but no other religion takes a view even close to that.

And some do.
Some Pentecostal groups are fairly strict.
You do realize that Islam has approximately 2 billion followers, it's not far behind Christianity.

I'm not sure I would like those odds if I was dealing with such a serious matter.
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The odds are irrelevant; you said they're not supposed to gamble anyway. JK

You're quite correct on Pentecostals, which Apostolic would also fall into, I believe. You can basically think of Apostolic as, "Amish, except electricity is fine." You could look up a list of all of the Apostolic rules; I will see you in three days when you get done reading it. JK

As mentioned on my WoO page, the Baptist group, Southern Baptist Churches flatly declares that gambling is a sin in all contexts, whereas the group, American Baptist Churches disagrees and does not go as far as to say an individual gambling is automatically a sin. As with the others, they do warn against gambling out of greed or losing so much you can no longer provide, etc, it obviously cannot cross a line into sloth, either.

Honestly, I would be inclined to call Christianity a fairly even split if you do not include Catholics. If you include Catholics, who do not think individual acts of gambling are automatically sinful, then the conclusion has to be that the majority of Christians do not think gambling is a sin by virtue of the fact that Catholics, taken alone, represent nearly a majority of Christians.

Again, when you look at Judaism, that can really just come down to which Rabbi you ask.

The Christian denominations who want to make their case for it present arguments that gambling must be a sin because x, y and z are sins, so because gambling, therefore x, y, or z...or some combination of x, y and z. As far as I can tell, there is no Christian denomination that claims that God has specifically handed down, via The Bible, that gambling is a sin because no such Bible verse exists.

To that extent, I think that some denominations are a bit more hesitant to put words into God's mouth, as well.
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Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
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How would know what a false prophet, or even a real one is? You aren't a believer.
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That's exactly what a false profit might ask(very sus).

I don't believe in Leprechauns, but I'd know one if I saw one.

There's always the possibility I'm a true believer but, I have chosen a different path, one where I'm a false prophet (AxelWolf in sheep's clothing).

There's a chance I'm not a believer and yet I'm still 100% correct about my beliefs.
There's a chance I was a believer who backslid and my beliefs are correct.

Judge not lest ye be judged.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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February 19th, 2023 at 4:07:03 PM permalink
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As I pointed out on the WoO page, many Christian denominations simply do not consider the act of gambling, in and of itself, as sinful. All of them acknowledge that it can lead to sin.

The strictest religion on gambling is Islam, with exception to those two forms of gambling that are specifically permitted. Evidently, gambling is not even a forgivable sin in that religion, but no other religion takes a view even close to that.

And some do.
Some Pentecostal groups are fairly strict.
You do realize that Islam has approximately 2 billion followers, it's not far behind Christianity.

I'm not sure I would like those odds if I was dealing with such a serious matter.
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The odds are irrelevant; you said they're not supposed to gamble anyway. JK

You're quite correct on Pentecostals, which Apostolic would also fall into, I believe. You can basically think of Apostolic as, "Amish, except electricity is fine." You could look up a list of all of the Apostolic rules; I will see you in three days when you get done reading it. JK

As mentioned on my WoO page, the Baptist group, Southern Baptist Churches flatly declares that gambling is a sin in all contexts, whereas the group, American Baptist Churches disagrees and does not go as far as to say an individual gambling is automatically a sin. As with the others, they do warn against gambling out of greed or losing so much you can no longer provide, etc, it obviously cannot cross a line into sloth, either.

Honestly, I would be inclined to call Christianity a fairly even split if you do not include Catholics. If you include Catholics, who do not think individual acts of gambling are automatically sinful, then the conclusion has to be that the majority of Christians do not think gambling is a sin by virtue of the fact that Catholics, taken alone, represent nearly a majority of Christians.

Again, when you look at Judaism, that can really just come down to which Rabbi you ask.

The Christian denominations who want to make their case for it present arguments that gambling must be a sin because x, y and z are sins, so because gambling, therefore x, y, or z...or some combination of x, y and z. As far as I can tell, there is no Christian denomination that claims that God has specifically handed down, via The Bible, that gambling is a sin because no such Bible verse exists.

To that extent, I think that some denominations are a bit more hesitant to put words into God's mouth, as well.
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Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
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How would know what a false prophet, or even a real one is? You aren't a believer.
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That's exactly what a false profit might ask(very sus).

I don't believe in Leprechauns, but I'd know one if I saw one.

There's always the possibility I'm a true believer but, I have chosen a different path, one where I'm a false prophet (AxelWolf in sheep's clothing).

There's a chance I'm not a believer and yet I'm still 100% correct about my beliefs.
There's a chance I was a believer who backslid and my beliefs are correct.

Judge not lest ye be judged.
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There's no way you can be a believer. You said yourself you aren't a believer and by your own admission you don't know enough about the question at hand to comment intelligently on the subject. Maybe borrow notes from a classmate?

Judge not lest ye be judged? You first.
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February 20th, 2023 at 9:14:32 AM permalink
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I don't believe in Leprechauns, but I'd know one if I saw one.
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Would you? What does a "real" Leprechaun look like?
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February 20th, 2023 at 10:44:41 AM permalink
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I don't believe in Leprechauns, but I'd know one if I saw one.
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Would you? What does a "real" Leprechaun look like?
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They have a male appearance, usually with a beard. They tend to be short and have a fashion sense. They are generally quite grumpy and overly possessive. To paraphrase some old white guy- You'll recognize one when you see it.
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Leprechauns are born and live in Ireland. Your typical American one is a half-breed with both pixie and chupacabra blood.
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February 21st, 2023 at 1:26:45 AM permalink
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As I pointed out on the WoO page, many Christian denominations simply do not consider the act of gambling, in and of itself, as sinful. All of them acknowledge that it can lead to sin.

The strictest religion on gambling is Islam, with exception to those two forms of gambling that are specifically permitted. Evidently, gambling is not even a forgivable sin in that religion, but no other religion takes a view even close to that.

And some do.
Some Pentecostal groups are fairly strict.
You do realize that Islam has approximately 2 billion followers, it's not far behind Christianity.

I'm not sure I would like those odds if I was dealing with such a serious matter.
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The odds are irrelevant; you said they're not supposed to gamble anyway. JK

You're quite correct on Pentecostals, which Apostolic would also fall into, I believe. You can basically think of Apostolic as, "Amish, except electricity is fine." You could look up a list of all of the Apostolic rules; I will see you in three days when you get done reading it. JK

As mentioned on my WoO page, the Baptist group, Southern Baptist Churches flatly declares that gambling is a sin in all contexts, whereas the group, American Baptist Churches disagrees and does not go as far as to say an individual gambling is automatically a sin. As with the others, they do warn against gambling out of greed or losing so much you can no longer provide, etc, it obviously cannot cross a line into sloth, either.

Honestly, I would be inclined to call Christianity a fairly even split if you do not include Catholics. If you include Catholics, who do not think individual acts of gambling are automatically sinful, then the conclusion has to be that the majority of Christians do not think gambling is a sin by virtue of the fact that Catholics, taken alone, represent nearly a majority of Christians.

Again, when you look at Judaism, that can really just come down to which Rabbi you ask.

The Christian denominations who want to make their case for it present arguments that gambling must be a sin because x, y and z are sins, so because gambling, therefore x, y, or z...or some combination of x, y and z. As far as I can tell, there is no Christian denomination that claims that God has specifically handed down, via The Bible, that gambling is a sin because no such Bible verse exists.

To that extent, I think that some denominations are a bit more hesitant to put words into God's mouth, as well.
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Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
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How would know what a false prophet, or even a real one is? You aren't a believer.
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That's exactly what a false profit might ask(very sus).

I don't believe in Leprechauns, but I'd know one if I saw one.

There's always the possibility I'm a true believer but, I have chosen a different path, one where I'm a false prophet (AxelWolf in sheep's clothing).

There's a chance I'm not a believer and yet I'm still 100% correct about my beliefs.
There's a chance I was a believer who backslid and my beliefs are correct.

Judge not lest ye be judged.
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You said yourself you aren't a believer and by your own admission you don't know enough about the question at hand to comment intelligently on the subject.
Judge not lest ye be judged? You first.
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And where exactly did I say that?

Whatever the case, I am very confident gambling IS a sin. That's the case for billions of people. I'm confident your arguing with me is a sin, especially in the above tone and manner. ("We must resist the temptation to add fuel to the fire by putting up our defenses and becoming argumentative ourselves". ďA gentle answer turns away wrath")

Here's what the "it's not a sin" people have to support it not being a sin. 1)The Bible doesn't specifically say it's a sin. 2) Various religions such as Catholics say it's ok to gamble under very specific conditions( At best, it's a very very fine line between it being a sin or not.) If someone is a true follower of God and Christ and they have the extra time and money to gamble, they should be spending that time and money for Godly reasons and certainly not gambling.

I'm not about to accept their self-enriching changed stance on the matter, especially given the many Catholic priests' and bishops' proclivities when it comes to certain abominable things.

Here's something from a long ago post, it deserves reapeating . AxelWolf "People like to justify their sinful activities (gambling) but deep down they know the truth. I believe even FmGamble knew I spoke the truth as his departure from a gambling forum was very telling IMO."

You can research his original stance on gambling and what, who, when, why lead to his departure. It was an interesting development. It's to my understanding he was advised his actions here were not good(Arguring his stance about gambling not being a sin) It's been a while, so research it yourself, and come to your own conculion.

I haven't yet to find a legitimate honest religious person willing to say Jesus would gamble in a casino.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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February 21st, 2023 at 8:56:26 AM permalink
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I haven't yet to find a legitimate honest religious person willing to say Jesus would gamble in a casino.
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That doesn't mean he would think it's sinful. He just might not enjoy it.

Would Jesus play baseball? Would Jesus watch Saturday morning cartoons? Would Jesus bake muffins?
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February 21st, 2023 at 10:14:54 AM permalink
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I haven't yet to find a legitimate honest religious person willing to say Jesus would gamble in a casino.
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That doesn't mean he would think it's sinful. He just might not enjoy it.

Would Jesus play baseball? Would Jesus watch Saturday morning cartoons? Would Jesus bake muffins?
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He only needs one bakery muffin, then he can multiply it.

Every religious person should admit their religion is practiced differently after it obtains greater and greater converts, so saying their interpretation is correct on gambling is still suspect. If thatís not true, Iídí like to hear the example
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February 22nd, 2023 at 12:02:01 PM permalink
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the windstorm in Las Vegas is God punishing the sinful gamblers

He has given a warning

the sinful gamblers need to change their ways

or God will wreak vengeance and destroy all of Las Vegas

𝗥𝗘𝗣𝗘𝗡𝗧 𝗦𝗜𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗥𝗦 𝗥𝗘𝗣𝗘𝗡𝗧 - or you will be made to regret your evil ways_______________________________(~:\


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February 22nd, 2023 at 12:32:07 PM permalink
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I haven't yet to find a legitimate honest religious person willing to say Jesus would gamble in a casino.
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That doesn't mean he would think it's sinful. He just might not enjoy it.

Would Jesus play baseball?

Only with the Angels.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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February 22nd, 2023 at 12:55:12 PM permalink
He'd be the league leader in saves! ;)
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February 22nd, 2023 at 1:24:47 PM permalink
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He'd be the league leader in saves! ;)
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That was good man, very good.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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February 22nd, 2023 at 1:27:11 PM permalink
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if Jesus did gamble - WOW - he would clean up - of course, he can predict the future - he would win every hand
then he would give all his winnings to the poor
and then the poor wouldn't be poor anymore

and the rich would be pissed because what good is to be rich if there are no poor people to look way down on


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February 22nd, 2023 at 1:31:15 PM permalink
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if Jesus did gamble - WOW - he would clean up - of course, he can predict the future - he would win every hand
then he would give all his winnings to the poor
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CAN Jesus predict the future? Is that one of his "superpowers?"
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February 22nd, 2023 at 1:35:05 PM permalink
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if Jesus did gamble - WOW - he would clean up - of course, he can predict the future - he would win every hand
then he would give all his winnings to the poor
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CAN Jesus predict the future? Is that one of his "superpowers?"
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I don't think he can see the future. Too much free will.
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February 22nd, 2023 at 1:37:41 PM permalink
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if Jesus did gamble - WOW - he would clean up - of course, he can predict the future - he would win every hand
then he would give all his winnings to the poor
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CAN Jesus predict the future? Is that one of his "superpowers?"
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of course he can predict the future
he's the Son of God man
the link gives some of his amazing predictions
if he could predict that amazing stuff - imagine how he could crush at a blackjack table


Edit - well, he wouldn't win every hand at blackjack - I need to walk that back - but he would still totally crush


https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_1349.cfm


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February 22nd, 2023 at 2:09:29 PM permalink
Maybe Jesus only "predicted" anything because God planted the predictions in his head.

God wouldn't allow him to see the future while gambling, because that would be cheating, and I don't think Jesus would be a cheater.
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February 22nd, 2023 at 3:40:04 PM permalink
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if Jesus did gamble - WOW - he would clean up - of course, he can predict the future - he would win every hand
then he would give all his winnings to the poor
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CAN Jesus predict the future? Is that one of his "superpowers?"
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February 22nd, 2023 at 3:47:05 PM permalink
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As I pointed out on the WoO page, many Christian denominations simply do not consider the act of gambling, in and of itself, as sinful. All of them acknowledge that it can lead to sin.

The strictest religion on gambling is Islam, with exception to those two forms of gambling that are specifically permitted. Evidently, gambling is not even a forgivable sin in that religion, but no other religion takes a view even close to that.

And some do.
Some Pentecostal groups are fairly strict.
You do realize that Islam has approximately 2 billion followers, it's not far behind Christianity.

I'm not sure I would like those odds if I was dealing with such a serious matter.
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The odds are irrelevant; you said they're not supposed to gamble anyway. JK

You're quite correct on Pentecostals, which Apostolic would also fall into, I believe. You can basically think of Apostolic as, "Amish, except electricity is fine." You could look up a list of all of the Apostolic rules; I will see you in three days when you get done reading it. JK

As mentioned on my WoO page, the Baptist group, Southern Baptist Churches flatly declares that gambling is a sin in all contexts, whereas the group, American Baptist Churches disagrees and does not go as far as to say an individual gambling is automatically a sin. As with the others, they do warn against gambling out of greed or losing so much you can no longer provide, etc, it obviously cannot cross a line into sloth, either.

Honestly, I would be inclined to call Christianity a fairly even split if you do not include Catholics. If you include Catholics, who do not think individual acts of gambling are automatically sinful, then the conclusion has to be that the majority of Christians do not think gambling is a sin by virtue of the fact that Catholics, taken alone, represent nearly a majority of Christians.

Again, when you look at Judaism, that can really just come down to which Rabbi you ask.

The Christian denominations who want to make their case for it present arguments that gambling must be a sin because x, y and z are sins, so because gambling, therefore x, y, or z...or some combination of x, y and z. As far as I can tell, there is no Christian denomination that claims that God has specifically handed down, via The Bible, that gambling is a sin because no such Bible verse exists.

To that extent, I think that some denominations are a bit more hesitant to put words into God's mouth, as well.
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Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
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How would know what a false prophet, or even a real one is? You aren't a believer.
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That's exactly what a false profit might ask(very sus).

I don't believe in Leprechauns, but I'd know one if I saw one.

There's always the possibility I'm a true believer but, I have chosen a different path, one where I'm a false prophet (AxelWolf in sheep's clothing).

There's a chance I'm not a believer and yet I'm still 100% correct about my beliefs.
There's a chance I was a believer who backslid and my beliefs are correct.

Judge not lest ye be judged.
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You said yourself you aren't a believer and by your own admission you don't know enough about the question at hand to comment intelligently on the subject.
Judge not lest ye be judged? You first.
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And where exactly did I say that?

Whatever the case, I am very confident gambling IS a sin. That's the case for billions of people. I'm confident your arguing with me is a sin, especially in the above tone and manner. ("We must resist the temptation to add fuel to the fire by putting up our defenses and becoming argumentative ourselves". ďA gentle answer turns away wrath")

Here's what the "it's not a sin" people have to support it not being a sin. 1)The Bible doesn't specifically say it's a sin. 2) Various religions such as Catholics say it's ok to gamble under very specific conditions( At best, it's a very very fine line between it being a sin or not.) If someone is a true follower of God and Christ and they have the extra time and money to gamble, they should be spending that time and money for Godly reasons and certainly not gambling.

I'm not about to accept their self-enriching changed stance on the matter, especially given the many Catholic priests' and bishops' proclivities when it comes to certain abominable things.

Here's something from a long ago post, it deserves reapeating . AxelWolf "People like to justify their sinful activities (gambling) but deep down they know the truth. I believe even FmGamble knew I spoke the truth as his departure from a gambling forum was very telling IMO."

You can research his original stance on gambling and what, who, when, why lead to his departure. It was an interesting development. It's to my understanding he was advised his actions here were not good(Arguring his stance about gambling not being a sin) It's been a while, so research it yourself, and come to your own conculion.

I haven't yet to find a legitimate honest religious person willing to say Jesus would gamble in a casino.
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"If someone is a true follower of God and Christ and they have the extra time and money to gamble, they should be spending that time and money for Godly reasons and certainly not gambling." Says who?

"I haven't yet to find a legitimate honest religious person willing to say Jesus would gamble in a casino" Maybe it's because they didn't have casinos back then.

"Various religions such as Catholics say it's ok to gamble under very specific conditions( At best, it's a very very fine line between it being a sin or not.)" The line isn't fine. It's very wide and clearly defined.

This would go a lot easier if you'd admit your anti-Catholic bigotry. At least then it's be out in the open.
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