value of casino games?
Not talking about the drinks, hotel, restaurants, or anything like that; nor the taxes they pay or the jobs they offer. Only asking about the keno games, buffalo slot machines, blackjack and roulette tables, and things like that. Do casino games provide benefits to the players? Do they exploit them? Something else?
This is not meant to be a loaded question, as my opinion on this is not very well formed.
Quote: TomGDo casino games offer anything of value to the community (or society)?
Not talking about the drinks, hotel, restaurants, or anything like that; nor the taxes they pay or the jobs they offer. Only asking about the keno games, buffalo slot machines, blackjack and roulette tables, and things like that. Do casino games provide benefits to the players? Do they exploit them? Something else?
This is not meant to be a loaded question, as my opinion on this is not very well formed.
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They provide a means of recreation. The only difference between that and any other is that the (actual) cost of said entertainment is not strictly quantifiable ahead of time. I could probably think of a few examples if I really tried that are more similar to casino games, but certainly most forms of entertainment are such that you can calculate your exact outlay in advance.
There's definitely a downside to the gaming - addiction and debt. Don't know if you were wanting a response about the downside? I don't know much about it, but I do know that it has a serious detrimental effect on those members of the community it infects.
Quote: WellbushMy answer would be similar to 146. I think it's entertainment.
There's definitely a downside to the gaming - addiction and debt. Don't know if you were wanting a response about the downside? I don't know much about it, but I do know that it has a serious detrimental effect on those members of the community it infects.
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Another thing is that you could, at least in theory, calculate your exact outlay in advance...not that it would be how most people gamble. Simply, one could go into the casino with a finite amount of money and play until losing every single penny they brought with them, regardless of how far ahead they might get.
well, that's what I previously did. Maybe I'd go to the casino once every 5 years! Have $150 to spend, say, and that would be it. I'm not into addiction one iota.Quote: Mission146Quote: WellbushMy answer would be similar to 146. I think it's entertainment.
There's definitely a downside to the gaming - addiction and debt. Don't know if you were wanting a response about the downside? I don't know much about it, but I do know that it has a serious detrimental effect on those members of the community it infects.
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Another thing is that you could, at least in theory, calculate your exact outlay in advance...not that it would be how most people gamble. Simply, one could go into the casino with a finite amount of money and play until losing every single penny they brought with them, regardless of how far ahead they might get.
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My recent forays are similar. Just trialling progressive systems and leaving if I lose🤷. This will only happen if I have the cash, and whilst I'm prepared to trial systems. There'll come a point though, where I either start winning, or I think I've given the strategy's enough trials. If I don't eventually win, goodbye casinos.
Quote: SandybestdogI believe that gambling is a net negative to society. I think it was ok when you would go on vacation to Vegas or AC and gamble but then you would go home. I think casinos all over the place as part of our daily lives is not good. They say it’s entertainment but it’s not for most people. It’s an addiction. It’s also not like a game on your phone is an addiction. That just wastes your time. The amount of money lost at gambling is staggering. You could go to dinner and movie and be entertained for less than $100. But you can’t last long on $100 at the casino so you are often risking hundreds or thousands at a time. Food and music and movies bring value to our lives. Casino games mostly do not. With the expansion of online gaming it will only get worse. Now you don’t even get the experience of going to a casino, you can just lose straight from your phone.
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I basically agree with you at least to say - not that there should be no gambling allowed - but that the tremendous expansion and availability of it is likely to be harmful to many - how many or what % I can't say
our society - our politicians have learned - that you have to give the public what it wants
they found that out when they tried prohibition, and now marijuana is slowly becoming legalized
no politician wants to take a stand against an activity that so many people want to participate in
they cannot tell adults not to do what they want to do - as long as there are large numbers of them who want to do it
the same kind of thing is true with the very fast cars Camaro and Mustang that appeal to so many young males
many drive way too fast but a small % of them will crash and cause a serious accident - no doubt a much higher % than in conservative vehicles
nobody wants to deny the public the opportunity to buy cars like that - the risks are acceptable to the general public
and the risks caused by gambling are also acceptable to the general public - by most but not all
before there's any greater restriction of it there has to be public will - and right now there's not
Hawaii is (as far as I know) the only state that allows no gambling at all
even though I gamble - still - somewhat strangely I admit - I admire them for that
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Hawaii is (as far as I know) the only state that allows no gambling at all
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Did Utah relax?
I believe Alaska allows pull-tabs, but little else. If you've never played pull-tabs, well, scratchers are an exciting upgrade.
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Hawaii is (as far as I know) the only state that allows no gambling at all
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Did Utah relax?
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no - I was wrong - it's not just Hawaii - Utah also allows no form of gambling
they have had a problem with illegal gambling operations as has Hawaii as shown in the links
https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/new-bill-introduced-to-address-illegal-gambling-in-utah
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2021/05/20/hawaii-news/honolulu-police-crack-down-on-illegal-gambling-houses/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CGambling%20is%20illegal%20in%20Hawaii,at%20risk%20of%20being%20injured.
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Quote: lilredroosterQuote: DieterQuote: lilredrooster
Hawaii is (as far as I know) the only state that allows no gambling at all
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Did Utah relax?
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no - I was wrong - it's not just Hawaii - Utah also allows no form of gambling
they have had a problem with illegal gambling operations as has Hawaii as shown in the links
https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/new-bill-introduced-to-address-illegal-gambling-in-utah
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2021/05/20/hawaii-news/honolulu-police-crack-down-on-illegal-gambling-houses/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CGambling%20is%20illegal%20in%20Hawaii,at%20risk%20of%20being%20injured.
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If forgetting about Utah is the biggest problem we face, I think it's a pretty good day.
Quote: FinsRuleCasinos have no value to society. But a lot of things don’t.
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How is entertainment not value? Does a bar have no value? Does concert have no value?
I go to a casino a few times a year and have a great time. Nothing they do can make me spend or do anything I don't want to.
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Quote: Zcore13Quote: FinsRuleCasinos have no value to society. But a lot of things don’t.
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I go to a casino a few times a year and have a great time. Nothing they do can make me spend or do anything I don't want to.
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I [do drugs] a few times a year and have a great time. Nothing they do can make me spend or do anything I don’t want to.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13Quote: FinsRuleHow is entertainment not value? Does a bar have no value? Does concert have no value?
I go to a casino a few times a year and have a great time. Nothing they do can make me spend or do anything I don't want to.
I think this is a common belief about casino games, that they do offer value to the community. When someone puts money in a machine and hits the buttons, or puts a chip down at a blackjack table, both sides involved in the transaction gain something of value. Often it is entertainment for one side and some economic value for the other.
If that is a valid theory, doesn't that mean that professional players (ie players who play these games as a profession) must also offer value to the community. Because when they enter into a transaction by playing a slot machine or table game, both must gain something of value.
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If that is a valid theory, doesn't that mean that professional players (ie players who play these games as a profession) must also offer value to the community. Because when they enter into a transaction by playing a slot machine or table game, both must gain something of value.
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Is it not entertaining to the other patrons to watch a professional play and win?
Some casinos do hire entertainers of various types to perform and mingle.
Quote: TomGDo casino games offer anything of value to the community (or society)?
Not talking about the drinks, hotel, restaurants, or anything like that; nor the taxes they pay or the jobs they offer. Only asking about the keno games, buffalo slot machines, blackjack and roulette tables, and things like that. Do casino games provide benefits to the players? Do they exploit them? Something else?
This is not meant to be a loaded question, as my opinion on this is not very well formed.
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The question begs a false choice. Gaming is the primary function of casinos and to dismiss, with your question, the real positives of casino gaming does a general disservice. The casino industry in our society offers jobs at all levels of skill and competence (dismissed by the question), taxes, both state and federal to pay for governmental services (dismissed by the question), charitable contributions and funding which is never advertised or mentioned in the same breath about casinos, and other local participations usually hidden from public view.
It surprises me that some the prominent locals like Mr. W and others would not jump at the chance to sing the praises of the casino industry and their positive contributions to our society. Instead we have mostly negative or neutral comments like "entertainment" and "addiction" and "exploitation."
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Hawaii is (as far as I know) the only state that allows no gambling at all
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Did Utah relax?
I believe Alaska allows pull-tabs, but little else. If you've never played pull-tabs, well, scratchers are an exciting upgrade.
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Pull Tabs, Charitable Bingo, certain raffles and there's also one charitable lottery, but it's not run by the state itself.
Quote: lilredrooster
no - I was wrong - it's not just Hawaii - Utah also allows no form of gambling
they have had a problem with illegal gambling operations as has Hawaii as shown in the links
(Links removed, duplication)
Utah is also one of the few states to specifically amend their code to make clear that online gambling is expressly illegal in the state.
I wonder if such places would be crooked? Rather difficult with a set shoe unless the dealer knew to mix up the cards on the way out to make some huge bet on one side lose....
Three grand on the red, Jimmy.
Zwanzig.
Im also curious why the suit asked her to come with him after winning a single 35-1 bet and then parlaying it. You'd think he'd want her to do that???
Im sure there is more to the story that wouldve answered my questions if I knew what was going on.
The casino manager asks her to leave because she's not properly dressed, but is overcome by her intensity, and allows her to stay for just one more spin.
The girl in it Franka Potente is the flight attendant / California girlfriend of Johnny Depp in Blow.
https://crescent.edu/post/the-history-of-blackjack
the woman's face did look familiar to me.Quote: MDawgmwalz9, I think you'd love the movie. It's called RUN LOLA RUN and she has twenty minutes to come up with 100,000 marks to save her boyfriend's life. That is the premise of the movie, and that is just one of many intense scenes.
The casino manager asks her to leave because she's not properly dressed, but is overcome by her intensity, and allows her to stay for just one more spin.
The girl in it Franka Potente is the flight attendant / California girlfriend of Johnny Depp in Blow.
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