BAOVN1987
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September 5th, 2020 at 12:24:50 PM permalink
Playing online blackjack and had some very unfortunate results... Here's the background:

So, Pokerstars/Foxbet (Pennsylvania licensed) had what looked to be a fairly straight forward and easy-to-beat casino deposit bonus for first time customers. I deposited the maximum $1000 which entitled me to receive $1 in bonus cash for every $25 wagered, with no limitations on which game I could utilize. I chose their BJ game which has the following rules:

6-deck infinite shuffle
Stand S17
BJ 3/2
Split once
DAS
LS

I began by wagering all 5 available spots at $5 dollars per round, but ended up reducing my bets to 1 hand at $10 per round. I would estimate that my average initial wager for the entire venture was between $10 - $15 per round. I play perfect basic strategy without exception.

After wagering $12,500 (which completed the playthrough requirement) at the aforementioned average bet, my final account balance stands at $110. Effect loss of $1390.

Should I be suspicous?
BAOVN1987
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September 5th, 2020 at 12:27:28 PM permalink
I have ~1000 hands of play history which I was able to grab from the site.
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September 5th, 2020 at 12:38:21 PM permalink
Quote: BAOVN1987

Playing online blackjack and had some very unfortunate results... Here's the background:

So, Pokerstars/Foxbet (Pennsylvania licensed) had what looked to be a fairly straight forward and easy-to-beat casino deposit bonus for first time customers. I deposited the maximum $1000 which entitled me to receive $1 in bonus cash for every $25 wagered, with no limitations on which game I could utilize. I chose their BJ game which has the following rules:

6-deck infinite shuffle
Stand S17
BJ 3/2
Split once
DAS
LS

I began by wagering all 5 available spots at $5 dollars per round, but ended up reducing my bets to 1 hand at $10 per round. I would estimate that my average initial wager for the entire venture was between $10 - $15 per round. I play perfect basic strategy without exception.

After wagering $12,500 (which completed the playthrough requirement) at the aforementioned average bet, my final account balance stands at $110. Effect loss of $1390.

Should I be suspicous?



Yes? Gotta be a few standard deviations below expectations. But not in the impossible range for a fair game.
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September 5th, 2020 at 3:21:23 PM permalink
Quote: BAOVN1987

After wagering $12,500 (which completed the playthrough requirement) at the aforementioned average bet, my final account balance stands at $110. Effect loss of $1390.

Should I be suspicous?

Was the game from some particular brand? Playtech, Realistic, Etc? Did you have to download something or did it play in a browser window?
Were any of your bets much bigger, such as if you went on tilt or martingaled?

If not, it sounds either extremely unlucky, or suspicious.
It's odd to have such a low wagering requirement applied with 100% contribution from Blackjack. Too generous by far.
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September 5th, 2020 at 3:52:02 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Was the game from some particular brand? Playtech, Realistic, Etc? Did you have to download something or did it play in a browser window?
Were any of your bets much bigger, such as if you went on tilt or martingaled?

If not, it sounds either extremely unlucky, or suspicious.
It's odd to have such a low wagering requirement applied with 100% contribution from Blackjack. Too generous by far.

I do believe that's a U.S.state gaming regulated online casino.

Unfortunately, I've noticed the same entities that were once (and possibly still do) running the unregulated sites at one time still seem to be the people behind the scenes running it for the state. I'm mostly confident the games are fair however I wouldn't be totally shocked or surprised to find out that wasn't the case. If it where somehow gaffed they would probably just say it was some type of programming error and it would pretty much just get swept under the rug after some fine where they might have to give back a certain amount of money to all the players. They would probably just use that to their advantage and run some type of promotion where they would give back the money to anyone and everyone.
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September 5th, 2020 at 4:16:53 PM permalink
So...555 wins and 694 losses at $10/hand?
Seems like quadruple the 35 hands you could have lost on a square root of 1250 hands.
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September 5th, 2020 at 7:25:47 PM permalink
did you surrender on 16 and 15 when necessary?
BAOVN1987
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September 5th, 2020 at 10:12:03 PM permalink
From the bottom of their site:

"Copyright © 2001-2020 Rational Intellectual Holdings Limited. All rights reserved. TSG Interactive US Services Limited is the internet gaming and sports wagering operator of Mount Airy Casino Resort, 312 Woodland Road, Mt. Pocono, PA 18344, authorized and regulated by the Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board. iGaming license number: IG-109344-1. Sports license number: 109344-2."

My total action was $12,745 over 983 hands. So ~$13 dollar average bet.

It was actually their "premium" version which has the same rules I originally listed, but uses 4 decks shuffled after each round.

I don't make basic strategy mistakes -ever- and there was no tilt/martingaling whatsoever.
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September 5th, 2020 at 11:36:46 PM permalink
No. Your results aren't remotely suspicious.
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September 6th, 2020 at 12:45:59 AM permalink
Quote: sabre

No. Your results aren't remotely suspicious.



Thank you for taking the time to respond to my thread. I understand that providing any other information (considering I didn't explicitly request additional information, of course) that might be helpful or reassuring would be totally beneath you. Going forward, it could be even less helpful and even more condescending if you just simply used a single "No." reply rather than waste the precious extra second to add a fancy word like "remotely". I'm not sure where bozo's like me come from with these stupid questions about obvious stuff that only dummies would think but on behalf of all of us, really sorry for constantly dragging you away from the "big boy discussions" and FORCING you to field these asinine questions about nonsense.

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