Pro Video Poker
Quote: CardDolphinBut what if u do put in play, then is it ok to take the free parking?
What is good for the public isn't always good for APs. Don't confuse advice intended for the one for the other.
An AP may try to avoid the casino knowing who they are or how often they play. The average player has no such worries.
Absolutely use the free parking if you will be playing, and use your card when you play. A player making a dollar an hour benefits from a free buffet. An AP making $50 an hour buys his own lunch.
Quote: gamerfreakAP’s will often park at different casino from where they are playing.
If you swipe your card for parking, it can trigger a “day” in some casino’s comp system, and then if you don’t put in any play, it can ding your daily average.
Same if you go to get a comp’d meal, swipe your card at a kiosk, etc.
I park at the casino I play at, just not on the 4h floor. Walking is -EV
Quote: billryanWhat is good for the public isn't always good for APs. Don't confuse advice intended for the one for the other.
An AP may try to avoid the casino knowing who they are or how often they play. The average player has no such worries.
Absolutely use the free parking if you will be playing, and use your card when you play. A player making a dollar an hour benefits from a free buffet. An AP making $50 an hour buys his own lunch.
Is it ok if I make direct eye contact with an AP?
Is it proper protocol to allow them on elevators first , let them cut in line at the buffet, etc ?
Quote: michael99000Is it ok if I make direct eye contact with an AP?
Is it proper protocol to allow them on elevators first , let them cut in line at the buffet, etc ?
Gunny says to be courteous and always give people reach arounds
Quote: CardDolphinIs it possible to earn a living with 4 figure br and 5% risk of ruin? Assume the best machine, comps, strategy, discipline, etc @ 40 hrs week
What's your definition of a living?
Quote: CardDolphin25k+/ year
Honestly, for the amount of work involved in a low stakes vp player getting in the time to make $25,000,you
are better off driving a cab or being a steerer at a time share. Less hours, less hassle and you might get health coverage.
You pretty much need a car, which means insurance. Add in gas,repairs, registration fees, and health insurance and $25,000 doesn't get you very far.
Quote: JoemanI guess it all depends on the completeness of your "near optimal strategy." If you look at the Wizard's DDB strategy page, it shows 39 rules to follow, and a return of 98.979% vs the optimal return of 98.981%. So, not much difference there at all.
If you haven't been there already, the Wizard of Odds VP page has lots of good information and resources for video poker in general as well as strategies for specific games. I would also highly recommend the Free Video Poker Trainer on the right side about halfway down the page if you want to practice your strategy.
I must be missing someting as this just seems to list the possible hands that can be dealt but doesnt tell you what to do with each
Quote: CardDolphinQuote: JoemanI guess it all depends on the completeness of your "near optimal strategy." If you look at the Wizard's DDB strategy page, it shows 39 rules to follow, and a return of 98.979% vs the optimal return of 98.981%. So, not much difference there at all.
If you haven't been there already, the Wizard of Odds VP page has lots of good information and resources for video poker in general as well as strategies for specific games. I would also highly recommend the Free Video Poker Trainer on the right side about halfway down the page if you want to practice your strategy.
I must be missing someting as this just seems to list the possible hands that can be dealt but doesnt tell you what to do with each
I believe the hands are listed in EV order so you just compare and choose what is higher. For example if you have a straight that is also 4 to a straight flush you look up the rule sheet and see a straight is 9 and four to a straight flush is 11, so you keep the straight.
Quote: unJonQuote: CardDolphinQuote: JoemanI guess it all depends on the completeness of your "near optimal strategy." If you look at the Wizard's DDB strategy page, it shows 39 rules to follow, and a return of 98.979% vs the optimal return of 98.981%. So, not much difference there at all.
If you haven't been there already, the Wizard of Odds VP page has lots of good information and resources for video poker in general as well as strategies for specific games. I would also highly recommend the Free Video Poker Trainer on the right side about halfway down the page if you want to practice your strategy.
I must be missing someting as this just seems to list the possible hands that can be dealt but doesnt tell you what to do with each
I believe the hands are listed in EV order so you just compare and choose what is higher. For example if you have a straight that is also 4 to a straight flush you look up the rule sheet and see a straight is 9 and four to a straight flush is 11, so you keep the straight.
Okay I think I got it now. But why would anybody buy a strategy card if they can just use this information for free instead
Quote: CardDolphinQuote: unJonQuote: CardDolphinQuote: JoemanI guess it all depends on the completeness of your "near optimal strategy." If you look at the Wizard's DDB strategy page, it shows 39 rules to follow, and a return of 98.979% vs the optimal return of 98.981%. So, not much difference there at all.
If you haven't been there already, the Wizard of Odds VP page has lots of good information and resources for video poker in general as well as strategies for specific games. I would also highly recommend the Free Video Poker Trainer on the right side about halfway down the page if you want to practice your strategy.
I must be missing someting as this just seems to list the possible hands that can be dealt but doesnt tell you what to do with each
I believe the hands are listed in EV order so you just compare and choose what is higher. For example if you have a straight that is also 4 to a straight flush you look up the rule sheet and see a straight is 9 and four to a straight flush is 11, so you keep the straight.
Okay I think I got it now. But why would anybody buy a strategy card if they can just use this information for free instead
Because the Wizard spent thousands of hours at his own expense developing these tools so Joe and Jane Schmos can make their best bets in the casino. Yes, he sold the site, but continues to provide the content.
Sure, you can pay for strategy cards. Buy some pretty good books. Buy an app. Or find it here for free.
Suppose a new game is introduced and is in casinos. Mike sees the game and does his magic.
Can he or someone explain the time and expense involved in developing the strategy. Not the math for the payouts, but the math for optimum play.
Quote: billryanI'm curious.
Suppose a new game is introduced and is in casinos. Mike sees the game and does his magic.
Can he or someone explain the time and expense involved in developing the strategy. Not the math for the payouts, but the math for optimum play.
It can vary quite a bit. You can calculate a simple game very quickly, like "extra draw keno", because there's only 2 decisions, and the math is very straightforward.
Then there are other games like Mississippi Stud or UTH, where it's not so straightforward. In MS, you have to keep betting to stay in the game, you're likely to be making -EV bets to stay in the game, but folding is even more -EV....so you make the smaller -EV decision. And with UTH, the same (but opposite) may happen. Another similar game is let it ride. You'd have to generate the strategy "backwards" for some of these types of games -- first you analyze all matchups on the river, then you analyze how to get to the river from the turn, then from the flop to the turn, then from the pre-flop to the flop.
Quote: billryanI'm curious.
Suppose a new game is introduced and is in casinos. Mike sees the game and does his magic.
Can he or someone explain the time and expense involved in developing the strategy. Not the math for the payouts, but the math for optimum play.
If it is just a deal/ draw decision with different pays, I could do it in an hour, if I wanted to. But that’s because I’ve already put in hundreds of hours developing my tools.
I actually find UTH strategy pretty intuitive. It’s not exactly the same, but it’s pretty darn close, to the playing heads up against a random hand that will never fold.Quote: mcallister3200And UTH even after the computer does it’s magic you look at it and say “WTF is that?”
Quote: billryanI'm curious.
Suppose a new game is introduced and is in casinos. Mike sees the game and does his magic.
Can he or someone explain the time and expense involved in developing the strategy. Not the math for the payouts, but the math for optimum play.
Usually a software simulation is required.
I don't see that. Please provide an example.Quote: CardDolphinWhy does it seem the return for optimal strategy is lower than simple on wizard charts?
Quote: CardDolphinWhy does it seem the return for optimal strategy is lower than simple on wizard charts?
You might be reading it wrong. There's always a house edge, so that number is going to be larger on simple strategy, but it's a negative number from the player's perspective. You're looking for the smallest number in that last column, last row, of a HE chart to find your best game. .03xxx, .04xxx, something like that, the .03xxx is a better number for you.
If it's a RTP (return to player) chart, and that number is in the 90sx like .989 or something, THEN you're looking for the highest number to indicate the best return.
Quote: CardDolphinIs it possible to earn a living with 4 figure br and 5% risk of ruin? Assume the best machine, comps, strategy, discipline, etc @ 40 hrs week
Yes, it is possible for some people who work hard, smart, and have connections. Is is possible for you? If you have to ask the question, probably not
Quote: CardDolphinHas anybody heard of this site freeslots.com where they let play video poker machines for free and tell you if you're making the correct play or not. Is this legit?
That’s where I learned to play 9/6 jacks or better years ago. Yes it uses the correct strategy, tells you what mistakes you are making and believe the EV cost of doing so.
Quote: CardDolphinMcallister, do u make income from vp and is your name from home alone movie?
Most years I have a modest amount of income from vp but I don’t make a living from it. The name is from former Saints running back Deuce McAllister, my favorite player when I started playing fantasy foosball. There is a 2 and 3 in his official playing weight, and the years he made the pro bowl, and he was drafted 23rd. Pretty neat right?
Quote: CardDolphinDo u know if u make over $10/hr?
Oh hell yeah. I make enough more than that I have two phones, one for the women I respect from Atlanta and one for the dough. But it’s not uncommon to have losing sessions of low to mid four figure session losses with a higher hourly rate.
Quote: mcallister3200Most years I have a modest amount of income from vp but I don’t make a living from it. The name is from former Saints running back Deuce McAllister, my favorite player when I started playing fantasy foosball. There is a 2 and 3 in his official playing weight, and the years he made the pro bowl, and he was drafted 23rd. Pretty neat right?
you dissapoint me
I would put you in Nathans corner.
Considering that's your question regarding my posts. I rest my case.Quote: CardDolphinWho is nathan and whats in his corner
Again, I hate to be an A-hole, but somthing just isn't right.
Your first question was ok untill you started talking about paying for rent via free buffets.Quote: CardDolphinI seem to rarely get answers, lookin to hear about nathan and true false
I gave you the benefit of the doubt but then the questions seemed to get more obtuse(not sure if that's the correct word I'm looking for). At this point, I regret invoking Nathans name(inside forum joke). I would like to go take it back but I can't.
Perhaps I'm missing somthing. Let me ask you somthing, are you foreign?
I was thinking back to when I knew absolutely nothing about VP or AP. I had one or two questions that I wanted to know.
1)"Is VP random"? I mostly trusted the person I asked.
2) "How does one go about calculating the odds and get a strategy?"
I didn't know anyone that could/would answer that for about a year, perhaps less. What I was playing at the time seemed obvious and intuitive to me without any calculations. I knew my results couldn't be luck, so that was the main factor. An article confirmed what I was doing was correct and significant +EV (I think it was card player, magazine or something like that, that confirmed it for me)
2. Im not foreign
3. Thats what im looking for, confirmatiin, i already have the formula and keep in mind all my questions dont have to be about AP
hmmm.Quote: CardDolphin1. The buffet question was just ab example to get my point across.
2. Im not foreign
3. Thats what im looking for, confirmatiin, i already have the formula and keep in mind all my questions dont have to be about AP
Ok then, my bad, carry on.
Quote: CardDolphinTrue or false, if the odds of hitting a royal flush is 1 in 4k then the chances of hitting one at least once is 1-(3999/4000)^n, where n is the number of spins?
False. Chance of a RF is a bit less than 1 in
42,000.
Only on the weekends and holidays.Quote: CardDolphinAxel, do u work for the govt
Quote: CardDolphinTrue or false, if the odds of hitting a royal flush is 1 in 4k then the chances of hitting one at least once is 1-(3999/4000)^n, where n is the number of spins?
True.
have not read that book.Quote: CardDolphinHave you ever read the book video poker for the intelligent beginner? In that he gives bankroll figures in terms of how to use his software but I am wanting to know the math behind those results.
'wanting to know' is a good thing and it may be too much to learn.
yes, but why? we have calculators and computers that can do all of what you are after in less than a second.Quote: CardDolphinDo you know how to do it manually?
why do you want to do this manually?
what do you have against using a computer for this?
everyone wants a real simple formula for a risk of ruin type calculation. but an a+b+c=d does not exist.Quote: CardDolphinIf I have X bankroll and I'm playing X machine what percentage chance do I have to increase my bankroll by x amount vs losing the entire amount if I play X number of hands
this can easy be done with Video Poker for Winners,for example (some calculations are slow)
Excel can do this
R can do this
I have 2 programs that use the Markov chain solution
what exactly are you after?
maybe others are after the same and wish to get an answer
that can be very accurate and can view how the math was actually done.
that leads to another question.
How do YOU want the math to be done? (meaning, using calculus instead of matrix algebra)
