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June 4th, 2014 at 3:02:06 AM permalink
Hello wizard, quick question for you. How do you define "betting system"?

You made it pretty clear what you think about them, but I'm wondering what exactly you think they are.
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June 4th, 2014 at 3:18:17 AM permalink
Quote: Neutrino

Hello wizard, quick question for you. How do you define "betting system"?

You made it pretty clear what you think about them, but I'm wondering what exactly you think they are.



why not just PM him or email him instead of starting ANOTHER useless thread?
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June 4th, 2014 at 3:26:11 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

why not just PM him or email him instead of starting ANOTHER useless thread?



This is the former ask the wizard column.

Also if you think my threads are useless, nobody said you have to read them and comment on them.

So ( )
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June 4th, 2014 at 3:36:22 AM permalink
Quote: Neutrino

This is the former ask the wizard column.

Also if you think my threads are useless, nobody said you have to read them and comment on them.

So ( )



point is, there is zero reason to start a thread about this especially when you are already discussing it in another thread.
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June 4th, 2014 at 3:37:05 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

why not just PM him or email him instead of starting ANOTHER useless thread?

Wait! 54 threads in 3-1/2 months and you don't think there's some value? What are the odds of that... :-)
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June 4th, 2014 at 3:37:52 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

point is, there is zero reason to start a thread about this especially when you are already discussing it in another thread.



( ) once again
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June 4th, 2014 at 4:04:09 AM permalink
I don't understand, either, why frivolous threads need to be posted. I mean, 20% of all your posts are thread starters! Just send him a PM or an email, and continue the thread about making a +EV betting system.
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June 4th, 2014 at 4:05:16 AM permalink
Quote: Neutrino

( ) once again

You do please realize the parentheses were supposed to be symbolic for doing nothing. You not responding is how you don't respond. I by the way was wondering where and why my post count I'm trying to keep down was zooming and now I know.
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June 4th, 2014 at 4:30:11 AM permalink
Quote: Neutrino

( ) once again



lol fail

(X) once again
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June 4th, 2014 at 4:30:33 AM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

You do please realize the parentheses were supposed to be symbolic for doing nothing. You not responding is how you don't respond. I by the way was wondering where and why my post count I'm trying to keep down was zooming and now I know.



wait what, i thought that was how you tell someone you're ignoring them
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June 4th, 2014 at 4:31:32 AM permalink
Quote: Neutrino

wait what, i thought that was how you tell someone you're ignoring them



actually I believe the wizard or mission said that if you post a message telling someone that you are ignoring them then you are getting a suspension.
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June 4th, 2014 at 4:38:28 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

this is how you inform someone you are not talking to them:

( )



Ok move along now GWAE. You're clearly just trolling/grieving here if you tell someone their threads are worthless but insist on commenting on everything and won't leave after being given the ( ).
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June 4th, 2014 at 4:41:12 AM permalink
Quote: Neutrino

Ok move along now GWAE. You're clearly just trolling/grieving here if you tell someone their threads are worthless but insist on commenting on everything and won't leave after being given the ( ).



fine fine I digress..

Now to answer your question if you care. I think counting is counting but when you vary your bet I think that constitutes as a betting system. Although I am not Wizard so you probably don't care.
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June 4th, 2014 at 4:47:08 AM permalink
Thank you
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June 4th, 2014 at 5:01:27 AM permalink
In this forum threads about card counting (which is a method) are found under Blackjack while threads about betting progressions (systems) are found under Betting Systems. I'm sure the Wiz played a hand in having it done that way. I think that those who have advised you that you are counting (method) and not just using a simple betting progression (system) are technically correct. And I think that another word that can be used for "system" is "tactic."
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June 4th, 2014 at 5:20:01 AM permalink
Quote: Neutrino

Hello wizard, quick question for you. How do you define "betting system"?



A betting system is a method of correlating bet size to previous wins and losses.
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June 4th, 2014 at 5:27:29 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

A betting system is a method of correlating bet size to previous wins and losses.



Thank you
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June 4th, 2014 at 9:57:17 AM permalink
The salient point here, and with your other blackjack thread, is that correlating bet sizes to previous blackjack outcomes is different than correlating bet sizes to previous wins and losses. A "betting system" doesn't rely on the details of the game in which it's being used: you can use the Martingale equally well in baccarat, craps, roulette, etc. The reason the outcome-correlation technique only applies to blackjack is because it's a very, very loose form of card counting (which also only applies to blackjack). It wouldn't show equivalent results in blackjack or craps. Miplet (I think) posted about a book that basically analyzes your supposition, that the EV of a next blackjack hand is correlated to the outcome of the previous blackjack hand. That work has been done several times already. The moral of the story is twofold: (a) yes, there is a minor correlation, but (b) it is orders of magnitude less useful than actually counting cards.

Consider: You have A9, dealer has KQ, push. Or, with the same four starting cards, you have AK, dealer has Q9, player blackjack. Or, you have K9, dealer has AQ, dealer blackjack. The rest of the deck is identical in all three scenarios, and card counting treats those three scenarios the same. The outcome-correlation technique doesn't.

The point is that if you can keep track of wins/losses/pushes/naturals, you can also keep track of high and low cards.
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June 4th, 2014 at 10:04:51 AM permalink
Quote: Neutrino

Ok move along now GWAE. You're clearly just trolling/grieving here if you tell someone their threads are worthless but insist on commenting on everything and won't leave after being given the ( ).



Neutrino,

Mission meant that there is NOTHING between the parentheses. You aren't meant to literally type parentheses; it's not a shorthand or a graphic. You just say nothing, write nothing, to ignore someone. Just move right over it.
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June 4th, 2014 at 5:41:17 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Neutrino,

Mission meant that there is NOTHING between the parentheses. You aren't meant to literally type parentheses; it's not a shorthand or a graphic. You just say nothing, write nothing, to ignore someone. Just move right over it.



Ohh....

Wow. Opppppps! Not sure why I understood it like that, wow. Gonna blame my autism for this. Can't pick up on when do people mean things literally and when do people mean things figuratively.
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June 4th, 2014 at 7:11:31 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

A betting system is a method of correlating bet size to previous wins and losses.


Maybe I'm wrong, but I think a betting system is designed to recoup losses. The Martingale is such a typical system.

Personally, I press bets when I'm winning, but do nothing to recoup losses (except to hope my luck changes).

As such, I would call my method a strategy, correlated to prior wins, and winning streaks.
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June 4th, 2014 at 8:20:07 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think a betting system is designed to recoup losses. The Martingale is such a typical system.

Personally, I press bets when I'm winning, but do nothing to recoup losses (except to hope my luck changes).

As such, I would call my method a strategy, correlated to prior wins, and winning streaks.



Sorry DJ, that is a betting system!
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June 4th, 2014 at 8:22:10 PM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

Sorry DJ, that is a betting system!



You're absolutely right.
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June 4th, 2014 at 8:30:01 PM permalink
I think a "strategy", and I use that pretty loosely would be in something like craps if you bet pass and odds plus the 6 and 8. That is sort of a strategy if you just flat bet that.
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June 4th, 2014 at 8:46:32 PM permalink
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June 4th, 2014 at 8:49:06 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Strategy is how you play, not how you bet.



Yep I agree with this
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June 4th, 2014 at 9:00:30 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Neutrino,

Mission meant that there is NOTHING between the parentheses. You aren't meant to literally type parentheses; it's not a shorthand or a graphic. You just say nothing, write nothing, to ignore someone. Just move right over it.

Can you clear this up? I thought that this rule was only if you were to BLOCK someone in order to avoid childish behavior where someone does it just to get the last word in.

Would one be breaking the rule if they didn't block that person and just stated they were going to ignore them from now on, so just don't bother commenting to me?

I think one should be able to ask someone nicely not to make comments to them anymore.
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June 4th, 2014 at 9:07:21 PM permalink
Quote: Neutrino

Yep I agree with this

However much it pains me to say so. I think you had a valid question here. Are you willing to admit "betting systems" are worthless?

Methods are not worthless and what you have is in fact a lame counting method, intentional or not.
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June 4th, 2014 at 9:19:48 PM permalink
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June 4th, 2014 at 9:30:41 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Can you clear this up? I thought that this rule was only if you were to BLOCK someone in order to avoid childish behavior where someone does it just to get the last word in.

Would one be breaking the rule if they didn't block that person and just stated they were going to ignore them from now on, so just don't bother commenting to me?

I think one should be able to ask someone nicely not to make comments to them anymore.



I don't think BBB was talking about Neutrino breaking a rule. It's just amazing that he thought ( ) was shorthand for "I'm ignoring you".
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June 4th, 2014 at 11:12:02 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

I don't think BBB was talking about Neutrino breaking a rule. It's just amazing that he thought ( ) was shorthand for "I'm ignoring you".

Well I don't know how he could, Mission explained what he meant clearly. I just thought Neutrino was being funny and when he thought he was about to be busted for doing it, he made up the fact he thought that was what he was supposed to do.
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June 4th, 2014 at 11:21:55 PM permalink
Quote: Neutrino

wait what, i thought that was how you tell someone you're ignoring them



No no no, to tell someone you're ignoring them .. you go a full month without starting any new threads at all, Once the forum sees that happen, everyone will then know you're ignoring someone.

Give it a try you won't believe how well it works
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June 5th, 2014 at 1:02:23 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Well I don't know how he could, Mission explained what he meant clearly. I just thought Neutrino was being funny and when he thought he was about to be busted for doing it, he made up the fact he thought that was what he was supposed to do.



I don't see how that's funny
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June 5th, 2014 at 1:03:10 AM permalink
Quote: michael99000

No no no, to tell someone you're ignoring them .. you go a full month without starting any new threads at all, Once the forum sees that happen, everyone will then know you're ignoring someone.

Give it a try you won't believe how well it works



I see the last thread you started was in April. Who are you ignoring?
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June 5th, 2014 at 5:12:42 AM permalink
Quote: Neutrino

I see the last thread you started was in April. Who are you ignoring?



don't bait him into a suspension
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June 5th, 2014 at 7:46:22 AM permalink
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Now THAT'S funny!


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