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February 9th, 2012 at 7:47:48 PM
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In honor of Queen Elizabeth passing 60 years on the throne, let's look at one of her bloodlines (one of the longest known in the Western World), Back to the founder of the Sassanid Persian Empire. The bloodline goes through Kings of Iberia (western Georgia), Kings of Georgia, the founders of the Russian dynasty, princes of Lithuania, Prussia, Germany, and finally to the wife of George III (namesake of Charlotte North Carolina) to her grandaughter Queen Victoria and the better known British bloodline.
Mathematically, is this bloodline something special? Or is it just as likely that the Wizard is also a descendant of Ardashir I? Of course, the difference is that the Wizard cannot trace his bloodline to the year 200.
Mathematically, is this bloodline something special? Or is it just as likely that the Wizard is also a descendant of Ardashir I? Of course, the difference is that the Wizard cannot trace his bloodline to the year 200.
- Ardashir I, Emperor of Persia ( Sassanid Persian Empire) born around 200 -died 242
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Shapur I Sassanian, , Emperor of Persia ca 215-272
Ancient Iberia is not the same as Iberian Peninsula containing present day Spain and Portugal -
Mirian III Chosroid King of Iberia 265-361
- Varaz-Bakur I Chosroid, king of Iberia ca 288-365
- Mihrdat III Chosroid, king of Iberia ca 310
- Varaz-Bakur II Chosroid, king of Iberia ca 340
- Mihrdat IV Chosroid, king of Iberia ca 378
- Arch'il I Chosroid, king of Iberia
- Mihrdat V Chosroid, king of Iberia
- Vakhtang I Gorgasali Chosroid, king of Iberia 440-502/522
- Leo Chosroid, prince of Iberia
- Gouaram I Chosroid, prince of Iberia
- Stephen I Chosroid, prince of Iberia +627
- Gouaram II Chosroid, prince of Iberia ca 620-ca 693
- Waraz Bakur Chosroid
- Gouaram III Chosroid, prince of Iberia
- Ne Chosroid
- Adarnase Bagratid
- Ashot I Bagratid, prince of Iberia +836
- Bagrat I Bagratid, prince of Iberia +876
- David I Bagratid, prince of Iberia +881
- Adarnase II Bagratid, king of Georgia +923
- Smbat I Bagratid, king of Georgia +958
- Bagrat II Bagratid, king of Georgia +994
- Gurgen Bagratid, king of Georgia +1008
- Bagrat III Bagratid, king of Georgia 960-1014
- Giorgi I Bagratid, king of Georgia 998/1002-1027
- Bagrat IV Bagratid, king of Georgia 1018-1072
- Giorgi II Bagratid, king of Georgia ca 1054-1112
- David IV The Builder Bagratid, king of Georgia 1073-1125
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Katae Bagratid
Rurik dynasty is one of Europe's oldest royal houses and are regarded as the founders of Rus and later Russia. -
Helena Komnena +1183
- Vsevolod III Le Grand Nid (Rurikides) 1154-1212
- Iaroslav II (Rurikides) 1191-1246
- Iaroslav III (Rurikides), prince de Tver +1271
- Mikhaïl I (Rurikides) 1271-1319
- Alexandre II (Rurikides) 1301-1339
- Juliana (Rurikides) ca 1330-1392
- Władysław II Jagiełło, Grand Duke of Lithuania ca 1351-1434
- Kazimierz IV Jagiellonczyk, Grand Duke of Lithuania 1427-1492
- Zofia Jagiellonka 1464-1512
- Albert Duke of Prussia 1490-1568
- Anna Sophie von Hohenzollern 1527-1591
- Johann V, Herzog von Mecklenburg-Schwerin 1558-1592
- Adolf Friedrich I, Herzog von Mecklenburg-Schwerin 1588-1658
- Adolf Friedrich, Herzog von Mecklenburg-Strelitz 1658-1708
- Karl, Herzog von Mecklenburg-Strelitz 1708-1752
- Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz 1744-1818. Wife of King George III, namesake of Charlotte, North Carolina
- Edward Augustus von Hannover, Duke of Kent 1767-1820
- Victoria von Hannover, Queen of Great Britain 1819-1901
- Edward VII von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha, King of Great Britain 1841-1910
- George V Windsor, King of Great Britain 1865-1936
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George VI Windsor, King of Great Britain 1895-1952
- Elizabeth II Windsor, Queen of Great Britain 1926-
February 9th, 2012 at 7:58:19 PM
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I notice Maria Sharapova gets a mention.
There certainly is a lot of talent in the bloodlines.
There certainly is a lot of talent in the bloodlines.
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February 9th, 2012 at 10:38:21 PM
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I paid for a genetic test a few years ago. The supplied me with a kit to scrap the inside of my mouth and then sent it to their labs to analyze. My main motive was to confirm or deny a mystery in the family tree of whether I was part native American, probably 1-64th. The test came back 100% of European ancestry.
Sorry to go off topic a bit.
Sorry to go off topic a bit.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
February 10th, 2012 at 12:39:45 AM
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Even better, I read an article about 20 years ago about
a Brit family that has proof they've been living in the same
stone farmhouse since 900 AD. Not even the Windsor's can
claim that.
a Brit family that has proof they've been living in the same
stone farmhouse since 900 AD. Not even the Windsor's can
claim that.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
February 10th, 2012 at 10:24:14 AM
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I bet the Wiz, and me, and the rest of the European descendants on here have a lin wk to the bloodline of the Persian emperors. Probably
I've seen research that estimates 90% of white British people have a link back to Edward Longshanks (Edward the first), who had a rather large family, with many grandchildren. Wish I could find the linky. But basically, the theory is the melting pot within Europe was diverse enough that bloodlines cross.
Did find one link that puts Obama (along with several other presidents) as a descendant of Longshanks as well.
I've seen research that estimates 90% of white British people have a link back to Edward Longshanks (Edward the first), who had a rather large family, with many grandchildren. Wish I could find the linky. But basically, the theory is the melting pot within Europe was diverse enough that bloodlines cross.
Did find one link that puts Obama (along with several other presidents) as a descendant of Longshanks as well.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
February 10th, 2012 at 1:11:55 PM
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Quote: WizardThe test came back 100% of European ancestry.
The point is that the bloodline is 54 generations long. The family tree would be 2^53 people wide in that single branch. That is 8 trillion people. In the 3rd century the entire population of the world was about 250 million people, and most of them were in China and India. And you have to discount the people who were alive at the time who left no descendants. A very high estimate is that 230 million people ended up being one of the Queen's descendants (discounting a mere 20 million people who left no descendants or were pygmies in Africa). That still means each person alive at the time had to fill an average of 40 million positions in the family tree.
The overwhelming probability is that most of the world is a descendant of Ardashir I, the founder of the Persian Dynasty. If they are not they are probably descendant from 50 generations of aborigines from Australia who were only discovered in the 20th century. Certainly someone of European ancestry is a descendant.
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Barack Obama is known to be a descendant of Edward Longshanks. If you are of English descent, then you would be unusual if you were not one of his descendants. However, most people can't document the line of descent.
Basically if you are British you are much more likely than not to be descended from a medieval king. You are in a much smaller group if you are descended from a Tudor or Stuart monarch. If you are legitimately descended from a Georgian monarch, then you are in the line of succession to the throne, and you know it. The Georgian descent is well documented (but it is probably about 7,000 people).
- Edward I Longshanks Plantagenêt, King of England 1239-1307
- Elizabeth Plantagenêt 1282-1316
- William de Bohun, Earl of Northampton ca 1311-1360
- Elisabeth de Bohun ca 1350-1385
- Elizabeth Fitzalan 1366-1425
- Joan Goushill
- Catherine Stanley
- Dulcia Savage
- Maud Bold
- Jennet Gerard
- William Eltonhead
- Richard Eltonhead
- Martha Eltonhead (Born September 26, 1608 in Lancashire, , England; Died October 28, 1689 in Virginia, United States)
- Eltonhead Conway
- Martha Thacker
- Edwin Hickman
- James Hickman 1723-1816
- Susannah Hickman
- Annie Browning
- George Washington Overall 1820-1871
- Susan Catherine Overall 1849-1906
- Gabriella Clark 1877-1966
- Ruth Lucille Armour 1900-1926
- Stanley Dunham 1918-1992
- Ann Dunham 1942-1995
- Barack Obama 1961-