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About a week ago she paid me back and I'm told all other forum members except one. That other loan is not due until Nov 24, so she is still complaint with that one.
The question for the poll is which is your favorite Nathan handle?
Let me be the first welcome Nathan back!
Please remember to gamble responsibly and if you can't, not at all.
Quote: WizardNathan (Karen) asked me to make the following statement. Around Aug/Sep she made small loans from me and other forum members. When she couldn't pay them back, I suggested she not post until she did. The alternative would have been a forced suspension. She agreed.
About a week ago she paid me back and I'm told all other forum members except one. That other loan is not due until Nov 24, so she is still complaint with that one.
The question for the poll is which is your favorite Nathan handle?
Let me be the first welcome Nathan back!
Please remember to gamble responsibly and if you can't, not at all.
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No early posting, pay ALL your Debts and then be allowed to post.
However, it goes beyond that.
Quote: WizardPlease remember to gamble responsibly and if you can't, not at all.
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If it took Nathan months to repay such a small amount and she needs more weeks to repay an even smaller sum to Wolf, I believe she should consider not gambling at all.
Look - Kerry Packer won and lost millions but he was a billionaire, and a pretty liquid one at that. If it takes anyone this long to repay a few hundred dollars then one should consider whether one may even afford to gamble.
All of this is posted with due respect to Nathan, and looking out for her best interests.
Quote: WizardNathan (Karen) asked me to make the following statement. Around Aug/Sep she made small loans from me and other forum members. When she couldn't pay them back, I suggested she not post until she did. The alternative would have been a forced suspension. She agreed.
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"The character Wimpy in the Popeye cartoons had an insatiable appetite for hamburgers and a perennial lack of funds. His signature line was, "I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today." The implication was that whether or not he got the hamburger, the other party would never actually get the money."
Popeye cartoons were extremely popular when I was a kid in the 1950s and I never knew what this meant until somebody explained it to me. Ever since then I've been very very careful about loaning money because even the best of intentions quite often don't work out.
I never claimed she owed me money, however, I normally give a nice grace period for people paying me back.. so if I did loan her money, I'm certain she would still be within that grace period.Quote: MDawgI actually agree with the Wolf on this one.
However, it goes beyond that.Quote: WizardPlease remember to gamble responsibly and if you can't, not at all.
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If it took Nathan months to repay such a small amount and she needs more weeks to repay an even smaller sum to Wolf, I believe she should consider not gambling at all.
Look - Kerry Packer won and lost millions but he was a billionaire, and a pretty liquid one at that. If it takes anyone this long to repay a few hundred dollars then one should consider whether one may even afford to gamble.
All of this is posted with due respect to Nathan, and looking out for her best interests.
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Heck, if she just posted on the forum without this thread, I doubt I would have even commented. I didn't even know there was some kind of posting restriction imposed on her.
If I was in her situation, I would have contacted anyone I still owed money to and discussed it before I went to Mike and asked to be allowed to post.
Quote: SOOPOOFrankly, since the loan was not made in open forum here on WoV, I don’t see why she should be banned if she doesn’t pay that loan back. It may be in bad form, but should not be a WoV concern. If it is a result of a WoV mentioned bet, to me, that’s different.
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She used WoV messages to ask for the loans. That makes it my business. I do not want welchers on my forum.
Quote: NathanThank you for the warm welcome back, Wizard! 🥰 I was being seen as a Welcher when I paid MOST of the loans back and only have the November 22nd (Not November 24th, I reread the terms of the loan) left ☢️ Thank you for setting the record straight that I did pay back most of the loans. 🥰 About gambling, I must admit, I was gambling HARD in order to get praise and kudos from WOV and be seen as an Advantage Player, ouch! ☢️ I am now focusing on not playing hard to get praise and kudos and be seen as an Advantage Player on WOV 💡 And playing how I REALLY want to play, not playing how I THINK will impress WOV and get me kudos and praise. There is a big difference between playing .50 slot bets and playing $50 Roulette spins! ☢️💡
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If you want to be an AP and don't have money, you should be apprenticing with the masters, not borrowing money and doing whatever. They will tell you what to play and how to play it.
If you are a female you are able to get away with things in the social environment of a casino that the rest of us can not. Very useful things, especially to a team that practices the darker arts.
Quote: mcallister3200Personally I would have liked to have Nathan back on the condition she ONLY post as Moonsovermyhammy. It’s just objectively a better name and makes the forum better since no one else can now use it, amirite?
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Oh God, the Moonsovermyhammy Username was made when I was hungry and thinking of Moons Over My Hammy from Denny's! LMAO! 🤣🤭
Quote: NathanQuote: mcallister3200Personally I would have liked to have Nathan back on the condition she ONLY post as Moonsovermyhammy. It’s just objectively a better name and makes the forum better since no one else can now use it, amirite?
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Oh God, the Moonsovermyhammy Username was made when I was hungry and thinking of Moons Over My Hammy from Denny's! LMAO! 🤣🤭
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That’s really not a good reason. That’s a good reason to go to Denny’s or make yourself an imitation sandwich.
If you know you Know.Quote: MDawgHunterhill, heatmap and mcallister3200 sometimes seem like the same person to me. Or might as well be.
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In case you don’t know, Buzz was a member who was banned ( for what I can’t remember) anyways he kept coming back under different names. He wasn’t allowed to be reinstated so some people wondered why Nathan, Kentry, etc.. was allowed to come back.
Quote: MDawgHunterhill, heatmap and mcallister3200 sometimes seem like the same person to me. Or might as well be.
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They do not seem the same to me.
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In case you don’t know, Buzz was a member who was banned ( for what I can’t remember) anyways he kept coming back under different names. He wasn’t allowed to be reinstated so some people wondered why Nathan, Kentry, etc.. was allowed to come back.
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That seems like a fair point. And, no I don't know Buzz, other than that he did create a lot of socks.
However, I'd push additionally for the return of CoachBelly, WellBush and MarcusClark66.
A sort of general amnesty as it were, at least for those who never made threats.
Quote: MDawgQuote: Hunterhill
In case you don’t know, Buzz was a member who was banned ( for what I can’t remember) anyways he kept coming back under different names. He wasn’t allowed to be reinstated so some people wondered why Nathan, Kentry, etc.. was allowed to come back.
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That seems like a fair point. And, no I don't know Buzz, other than that he did create a lot of socks.
However, I'd push additionally for the return of CoachBelly, WellBush and MarcusClark66.
A sort of general amnesty as it were, at least for those who never made threats.
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What a list.
I do not agree, and I don't even think it's my personal bias talking.
LOL, OFC YOU WOULD....Quote: MDawg
However, I'd push additionally for the return of CoachBelly, WellBush and MarcusClark66.
That is what happens when you have probably only ever met one person from the forums in person.Quote: MDawgHunterhill, heatmap and mcallister3200 sometimes seem like the same person to me. Or might as well be.
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You are totally off base.
Quote: AxelWolfThat is what happens when you have probably only ever met one person from the forums in person.Quote: MDawgHunterhill, heatmap and mcallister3200 sometimes seem like the same person to me. Or might as well be.
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You are totally off base.
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I agree. Completely different people.
Maybe we could have a thread where we wonder whether members have split personalities and argue about whether certain groups of members might really be the same person.
Ex: gordonm888 and billryan both grew up in Queens at about the same time. Maybe . . .
Hmmm. Probably not a good idea
Quote: gordonm888Quote: AxelWolfThat is what happens when you have probably only ever met one person from the forums in person.Quote: MDawgHunterhill, heatmap and mcallister3200 sometimes seem like the same person to me. Or might as well be.
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You are totally off base.
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I agree. Completely different people.
Maybe we could have a thread where we wonder whether members have split personalities and argue about whether certain groups of members might really be the same person.
Ex: gordonm888 and billryan both grew up in Queens at about the same time. Maybe . . .
Hmmm. Probably not a good idea
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I do not think that billryan and gordonm888 are the same person.
;)
Quote: AxelWolfThat is what happens when you have probably only ever met one person from the forums in person.Quote: MDawgHunterhill, heatmap and mcallister3200 sometimes seem like the same person to me. Or might as well be.
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You are totally off base.
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I suspect dog is quite familiar with the banned posters. Rumor is they often shared the same pair of underwear.
I always thought the cardinal rule of this forum was one and only one identity. When I asked to change my ID when I was APing ,I was told it was against the forum's rules.The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
Quote: NathanA Poster put his REAL NAME as his Username and soon realized what an AWFUL idea that using his REAL NAME as a Username REALLY was and asked to be able to change his Username. He was told that there was no way to change Usernames and the Username we choose is permanently set in stone. (We all got WARNED at sign up ," Usernames are permanent. PLEASE make sure that the Username you choose is something you are okay with as a PERMANENT Username. The guy must have not seen that BLATANT WARNING. ☢️)
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How many names have you had here?
Quote: NathanA Poster put his REAL NAME as his Username and soon realized what an AWFUL idea that using his REAL NAME as a Username REALLY was (I think he said he was a Casino Manager or something like that) and asked to be able to change his Username. He was told that there was no way to change Usernames and the Username we choose is permanently set in stone. (We all got WARNED at sign up ," Usernames are permanent. PLEASE make sure that the Username you choose is something you are okay with as a PERMANENT Username. The guy must have not seen that BLATANT WARNING. ☢️)
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My understanding is that it is "technically possible" to change a username, but it's a pain and it isn't done without a very good reason.
"I was foolish and ignored all the warnings I was given, so pretty pretty please" is not a very good reason.
Quote: billryanQuote: NathanA Poster put his REAL NAME as his Username and soon realized what an AWFUL idea that using his REAL NAME as a Username REALLY was and asked to be able to change his Username. He was told that there was no way to change Usernames and the Username we choose is permanently set in stone. (We all got WARNED at sign up ," Usernames are permanent. PLEASE make sure that the Username you choose is something you are okay with as a PERMANENT Username. The guy must have not seen that BLATANT WARNING. ☢️)
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How many names have you had here?
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To be fair, all of my Usernames were all SEPARATE Usernames. I NEVER asked to change any of my Usernames. 😉💡
Quote: NathanQuote: billryanQuote: NathanA Poster put his REAL NAME as his Username and soon realized what an AWFUL idea that using his REAL NAME as a Username REALLY was and asked to be able to change his Username. He was told that there was no way to change Usernames and the Username we choose is permanently set in stone. (We all got WARNED at sign up ," Usernames are permanent. PLEASE make sure that the Username you choose is something you are okay with as a PERMANENT Username. The guy must have not seen that BLATANT WARNING. ☢️)
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How many names have you had here?
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To be fair, all of my Usernames were all SEPARATE Usernames. I NEVER asked to change any of my Usernames. 😉💡
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Unlike Buzz, I suppose.
Quote: NathanQuote: billryanQuote: NathanA Poster put his REAL NAME as his Username and soon realized what an AWFUL idea that using his REAL NAME as a Username REALLY was and asked to be able to change his Username. He was told that there was no way to change Usernames and the Username we choose is permanently set in stone. (We all got WARNED at sign up ," Usernames are permanent. PLEASE make sure that the Username you choose is something you are okay with as a PERMANENT Username. The guy must have not seen that BLATANT WARNING. ☢️)
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How many names have you had here?
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To be fair, all of my Usernames were all SEPARATE Usernames. I NEVER asked to change any of my Usernames. 😉💡
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Unlike Buzz, I suppose.
IIRC, Buzz actually had multiple usernames (Buzzpaff and Buzzard being the two I remember, there may have been more) and was still a member in good standing. Again, IIRC, he was perma-banned because he insulted the site's owner (after Wiz sold it) and refused to apologize for it.Quote: HunterhillIf you know you Know.Quote: MDawgHunterhill, heatmap and mcallister3200 sometimes seem like the same person to me. Or might as well be.
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In case you don’t know, Buzz was a member who was banned ( for what I can’t remember) anyways he kept coming back under different names. He wasn’t allowed to be reinstated so some people wondered why Nathan, Kentry, etc.. was allowed to come back.
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Yes, since then, he has often popped in (with a new username) whenever he had something to say.
I believe that all of the sock puppeteers other than perhaps Boz try to hide their identities for as long as possible. Nathan, KewlJ, no different.
Boz seems to be the only one who will come in to drop a single bomb making it clear who he is at the same time that he posts, but even he created some stealthy ones (Realdog , Mdawgrukes , Dave2121, Himike).
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/39656-the-sock-puppets-of-wov/
I was once suspended for six months and simply bode my time didn't try to come back as a puppet, which led to D.Oz's statement about how that was like a heroin addict staying away from heroin to not post as a sock during such a long suspension. Certainly both Nathan tried and KewlJ still tries to come back whenever they couldn't/can't stand it any longer.
I don't see the point in trying to differentiate between the puppeteers.
Quote: WizardLet the record show that Nathan sent me $100 to forward to the last remaining WoV member she owes money to. As far as I know, this makes her WoV debt free.
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Thank you Wizard! 😇
Quote: NathanQuote: WizardLet the record show that Nathan sent me $100 to forward to the last remaining WoV member she owes money to. As far as I know, this makes her WoV debt free.
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Thank you Wizard! 😇
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Good work Nathan! I’m proud of you. Restoring your good name (or names) is worth every penny!
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: NathanQuote: WizardLet the record show that Nathan sent me $100 to forward to the last remaining WoV member she owes money to. As far as I know, this makes her WoV debt free.
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Thank you Wizard! 😇
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Good work Nathan! I’m proud of you. Restoring your good name (or names) is worth every penny!
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Thank you Soopoo! 😇
Quote: NathanAdmins, are you interested in a one time get out of jail free proposition when it comes to WOV loans? 💡
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I don't understand what you're proposing.
Quote: NathanI propose a new proposition for WOV. A ONE TIME get out of jail free rule when it comes to getting loans on WOV for example, I asked for $300 when I was in a REALLY bad financial situation and got it and paid it back and with this proposition, I would PERMANENTLY NEVER ask for another loan ever again. 💡 Admins, are you interested in a one time get out of jail free proposition when it comes to WOV loans? 💡
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I’d be against that. You and the person who loaned you the $$ are consenting adults. No reason to have a Moderator monitor such behavior.
Neither a borrower nor a lender be.
Quote: Nathan💡 Admins, are you interested in a one time get out of jail free proposition when it comes to WOV loans? 💡
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I didn't know that WoV issues loans.
Quote: DieterQuote: Nathan💡 Admins, are you interested in a one time get out of jail free proposition when it comes to WOV loans? 💡
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I didn't know that WoV issues loans.
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You’ve never heard of WoV Banc, subsidiary of WoO Capital?
Quote: camaplQuote: DieterQuote: Nathan💡 Admins, are you interested in a one time get out of jail free proposition when it comes to WOV loans? 💡
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I didn't know that WoV issues loans.
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You’ve never heard of WoV Banc, subsidiary of WoO Capital?
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It is likely that I don't watch the televised sporting events they sponsor.
Quote: WizardQuote: NathanAdmins, are you interested in a one time get out of jail free proposition when it comes to WOV loans? 💡
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I don't understand what you're proposing.
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I am proposing that if a Poster gets loans from WOV Posters/Adkins, it should be a one time thing. 💡 For example, the $300 loan I got would be a one time thing and I wouldn't be allowed to ever ask for a loan from WOV again. 💡
Quote: NathanI am proposing that if a Poster gets loans from WOV Posters/Adkins, it should be a one time thing. 💡 For example, the $300 loan I got would be a one time thing and I wouldn't be allowed to ever ask for a loan from WOV again. 💡
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I suggest you just don't ask again and cut down or eliminate gambling from your entertainment budget.
I suggest trying to earn the money online or get a 2nd job if you need it, explore other options.Quote: NathanQuote: WizardQuote: NathanAdmins, are you interested in a one time get out of jail free proposition when it comes to WOV loans? 💡
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I don't understand what you're proposing.
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I am proposing that if a Poster gets loans from WOV Posters/Adkins, it should be a one time thing. 💡 For example, the $300 loan I got would be a one time thing and I wouldn't be allowed to ever ask for a loan from WOV again. 💡
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You should only ask for loans in emergencies as an absolute last resort. You should ask people you know in person first.
Quote: WizardQuote: NathanI am proposing that if a Poster gets loans from WOV Posters/Adkins, it should be a one time thing. 💡 For example, the $300 loan I got would be a one time thing and I wouldn't be allowed to ever ask for a loan from WOV again. 💡
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I suggest you just don't ask again and cut down or eliminate gambling from your entertainment budget.
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I have considerably lowered my gambling bets, doing 0.08 , 0.16, 0.18 , .38 cent bets and staying away from the $50 Roulette spins . 💡
I was playing in Roulette $5 on each 0 and 00($10), an extra $1 for 0, an extra $1 for 00 $1 on each number from 1-18($18) 0.50 on 19-36($9) $1 on bottom of chosen number, $1 on 1-12 block, $1 on 13-24 block, $1 on 25-36 block, $1 on red, $1 on black, $1 on even, $1 on odd, $1 on top row, $1 on middle row, $1 on bottom row. 💡 $50 spin.
