Cooperation Game Big Pool Money Thread
Well, life isn't always fair is it?Quote: OnceDearAnd a reminder from me, though I'm not involved.....
It seems only fair that whatever Axel manages to do with the funds, Wizard gets a free and equal share as a gesture of appreciation.
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Anyone object?
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No! Good! Thought not!
Quote: OnceDearOK Guys, it's going well. Of the 23 members of the big pool, only 3 have yet to say if they wish to extract their funds.
I look forward to seeing what Axel can achieve.
So, shout out to gordonm888, jufo81 and dalex64 . Guys, please let me know if your funds are to be extracted or redirected to AxelWolf for his 'reinvestment' in an advantage play.
Shoutout also to all those guys who went solo. Please let Wizard know how you want to extract your funds... Especially SodaWater, who rejects PM's
I am just waiting to hear back from MY designee for the funds. I want them to have the option of gambling, or taking the cash now.
Sorry Foxy. Something got lost in the translation there: 0? J?Quote: AxelWolfWell, life isn't always fair is it?
I know you well enough to credit you with having a bit of class. You can try to deny it and take it as a sleight, but I insist you have.
$;o)
Oh no. My bad. $:o) I was confusing AxelWolf for Romes. My Bad. *Quote: OnceDearSorry Foxy. . .I know you well enough to credit you with having a bit of class.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/big-wins/26932-we-won-cooperation-game-reuslts/#post553245
Quote: RomesI proposed in the other thread, and it was well received by several posters already, that we will be giving Mike an equal share of the pie.
* that has to be a personal insult to either Romes or Axelwolf, so I'll send myself to bed without any supper. $:o)
Quote: OnceDearAnd a reminder from me, though I'm not involved.....
It seems only fair that whatever Axel manages to do with the funds, Wizard gets a free and equal share as a gesture of appreciation.
Anyone object?
No! Good! Thought not!
I would definitely say yes, if the Wiz decides to help out with the big pool fund in any way (maybe a 1/2 point parlay suggestion for example). Otherwise, he will get nothing and like it. :)
Quote: Dalex64OnceDear, my designee has decided to take my winnings as they are now, so they will not be directed to AxelWolf. For those who are, good luck!
Quote: Dalex64OnceDear, my designee has decided to take my winnings as they are now, so they will not be directed to AxelWolf. For those who are, good luck!
Upon further reflection, they have decided that they would like to participate further, so I will be asking Wizard to send my winnings to AxelWolf for funtime.
Sorry about the confusion and shifting positions.
| Member | I'm going to Gamble | I'm Taking My Winnings |
|---|---|---|
| troopscott | Yes | |
| Joeman | Yes | |
| SOOPOO | Yes | |
| Romes | Yes | |
| UKMark | Yes | |
| OnceDear | No | Yes - To a charity |
| miplet | Yes | |
| beachbumbabs | Yes | |
| Keeneone | Yes | |
| PokerGrinder | Yes | Going to Axel I assume |
| prozema | Yes | |
| gordonm888 | Yes |
I just discovered this thread. This is the 3rd or 4th way in which I am communicating that I wish my money to be assigned to
AxelWolf for a group bet as he see fits.
Quote: OnceDear
Member Send Funds To AxelWolf for him to gamble I'm Taking My Winnings troopscott Joeman SOOPOO Romes UKMark OnceDear Yes - To a charity miplet beachbumbabs Keeneone PokerGrinder $ Going to Axel I assume prozema Nathan PlayYourCardsRight JohnnyQ gamerfreak gordonm888 Jmarch79 Jufo81 Mikey75 Dalex64 Torghatten Face AxelWolf
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Folks, This is an updated list of 'Big pool' members and their instructions received so far. If your name is not yet marked with your decision, please PM OnceDear
Now... the 'I'm going to gamble column has been renamed to 'Send Funds To AxelWolf for him to gamble'. because that has been pretty much the strong implication of what is to happen. If anyone is tagged as 'Yes, and disagrees with that, then please speak up.
Is this where we are right now? Do we just need a decision from Jufo81 a d we have everyone?
Quote: beachbumbabsOne last time I'm going to mention this, because it gets overlooked. If anyone who was NOT in the Big Pool wants their winnings to go into Axel's play, they should be able to designate that. They will just be in for whatever % their actual money represents as opposed to an equal share with Big Pool people.
Those are two completely different issues, whether you pooled, and whether you want to play in the group betting after the end of the game.
| Member | Send Funds To AxelWolf for him to gamble | I'm Taking My Winnings |
|---|---|---|
| troopscott | Yes | |
| Joeman | Yes | |
| SOOPOO | Yes | |
| Romes | Yes | Plus an extra $25 pledged |
| UKMark | Yes | |
| OnceDear | Yes | Oh what the hell - Axel better deliver |
| miplet | Yes | |
| beachbumbabs | Yes | |
| Keeneone | Yes | |
| PokerGrinder | Yes | $ Going to Axel I assume |
| prozema | Yes | |
| Nathan | Yes | |
| PlayYourCardsRight | Yes | |
| JohnnyQ | Yes | |
| gamerfreak | Yes | |
| gordonm888 | Yes | |
| Jmarch79 | Yes | |
| Jufo81 | ||
| Mikey75 | Yes | |
| Dalex64 | Yes | |
| Torghatten | Yes | |
| Face | Yes | |
| AxelWolf | Yes | |
| OneNickelMiracle/dat] | Yes | $12.27 available |
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Folks, This is an updated list of 'Big pool' members and their instructions received so far.
Is this where we are right now?
We just need a decision from Jufo81 . I've chased him by PM
So, give or take a few cents for rounding, we already have $301.86 available for Axel to invest. I'll get precise figures to Wizard and Axel later today.
Go ahead and add $25 to that... Clearly the big pool is interested in re-investing in to the big pool! I shall donate an additional $25 to the pool funds.Quote: OnceDear..So, give or take a few cents for rounding, we already have $301.86 available for Axel to invest. I'll get precise figures to Wizard and Axel later today.
OD, pm me the best way to do this... my favorite (seems to be pretty easy) is to send an Amazon gift card code.
Quote: RomesGo ahead and add $25 to that... Clearly the big pool is interested in re-investing in to the big pool! I shall donate an additional $25 to the pool funds.
OD, pm me the best way to do this... my favorite (seems to be pretty easy) is to send an Amazon gift card code.
You're going to want to send it to Wizard if it's going to Axels play, not OD, I think.
Quote: Mikey75Looking forward to seeing what Axel can do with our funds!! If there is a parlay attempt after Axel is done I’m open to it but I really want to see where we stand after Axel is through before I make a definite decision.
I am down for a second round of whatever as well. In fact I would be down to chip in money that wants to do any type of small scale parlay syndicate for lack of a better term
Quote: prozemaAny word from Jufo81? I sent a PM but didn't get a response. Maybe we just consider the current list final and roll with it?
No, please wait. There are people reporting being shut out of the forum due to security certificate issues. He may be one of them.
Quote: beachbumbabsNo, please wait. There are people reporting being shut out of the forum due to security certificate issues. He may be one of them.
Put him in. If he does not want to be in I will take his share and I have an extra $25 on escrow he can be paid from. Don't hold anything up because of it.
Now THAT is some solid Financial Planning ! BRILLIANT !Quote: onenickelmiracleI'm in with my $12.27, hoping I can double it to $25, so I can let it completely disappear in the WOV picks game.
Quote: AxelWolfSo the time to enter the investment pool is over as I have allready started the process. I'll wait untill this evening to give any details as to where we stand just in case there's any confusion as to who is in or out. Speak now or forever hold your peace.
good luck send my 3k via paypal once you work your magic.
Quote: AxelWolfSo the time to enter the investment pool is over as I have allready started the process. I'll wait untill this evening to give any details as to where we stand just in case there's any confusion as to who is in or out. Speak now or forever hold your peace.
We appreciate you doing this for us!
Quote: AxelWolfSo the time to enter the investment pool is over as I have allready started the process. I'll wait untill this evening to give any details as to where we stand just in case there's any confusion as to who is in or out. Speak now or forever hold your peace.
All the best to you all!
I was wondering about you being silent. Thought maybe you finished the long con and left for good with your tin parachute.Quote: AxelWolfSo the time to enter the investment pool is over as I have allready started the process. I'll wait untill this evening to give any details as to where we stand just in case there's any confusion as to who is in or out. Speak now or forever hold your peace.
Thanks again for whatever it is you're doing.Quote: AxelWolfSo the time to enter the investment pool is over as I have allready started the process. I'll wait untill this evening to give any details as to where we stand just in case there's any confusion as to who is in or out. Speak now or forever hold your peace.
The only confusion is whether we consider Jufo81 to have been opted into the reinvestment. He hasn't logged in here since 14th, but he has read my PM asking him to say 'in' or 'no thanks'
Thinking about it, we are in a strange situation indeed:
I'll preface by saying that I trust AxelWolf completely and this does not infer any implication of mischief on his part...
Wizard is holding a fund of about $354 (23x 13.79+12.26+25*) of virtual money that he did owe to 23 members.
Then, under instruction from those members, the debts were transferred to Axel, who will now either send some unknown amount of money to Wizard, or else will call in that debt from Wizard.
A bit like shareholders in the South Sea Company, we've tasked Axel with "carrying out an undertaking of great advantage, but nobody to know what it is"
I don't think I'd like to be in Axel's situation. He could come back to the forum and say 'Sorry folks, I lost all your money' or he could come back and say 'I turned your $354 into $700... Shall I try to turn it into $1400?.' That could rinse repeat like a game of chicken or Ponzi Scheme or Bitconnect investment.
If Axel were a rogue ( and I assert he isn't ) he could ( and I assert he won't ) just consider whatever his next big losing wager is as having been the one with the pool funds.
If he is unlucky with his reinvestment, he could feel so embarrassed that he covers all or part of the loss and says 'I was a bit unlucky but I increased your funds to $xxx, but I don't want to go any further with this'
I'm Really, REALLY looking forward to the report of Axel's investment outcome.
Any expected timescale, Axel?
Is this a one shot opportunity?
*$25 is a pledge from Romes.
Quote: OnceDearThanks again for whatever it is you're doing.
The only confusion is whether we consider Jufo81 to have been opted into the reinvestment. He hasn't logged in here since 14th, but he has read my PM asking him to say 'in' or 'no thanks'
Thinking about it, we are in a strange situation indeed:
I'll preface by saying that I trust AxelWolf completely and this does not infer any implication of mischief on his part...
Wizard is holding a fund of about $354 (23x 13.79+12.26+25*) of virtual money that he did owe to 23 members.
Then, under instruction from those members, the debts were transferred to Axel, who will now either send some unknown amount of money to Wizard, or else will call in that debt from Wizard.
A bit like shareholders in the South Sea Company, we've tasked Axel with "carrying out an undertaking of great advantage, but nobody to know what it is"
I don't think I'd like to be in Axel's situation. He could come back to the forum and say 'Sorry folks, I lost all your money' or he could come back and say 'I turned your $354 into $700... Shall I try to turn it into $1400?.' That could rinse repeat like a game of chicken or Ponzi Scheme or Bitconnect investment.
If Axel were a rogue ( and I assert he isn't ) he could ( and I assert he won't ) just consider whatever his next big losing wager is as having been the one with the pool funds.
If he is unlucky with his reinvestment, he could feel so embarrassed that he covers all or part of the loss and says 'I was a bit unlucky but I increased your funds to $xxx, but I don't want to go any further with this'
I'm Really, REALLY looking forward to the report of Axel's investment outcome.
Any expected timescale, Axel?
Is this a one shot opportunity?
*$25 is a pledge from Romes.
So. I am going to vouch 100% for Axel. Nothing is for sure, so he may or may not turn a profit. But he will give it his best shot, and be extremely honest about the results.
Not everyone in the pool knows him as well as I do (and some know him better), but I don't have the shadow of a doubt about his intent or integrity.
I do think it's unwise to expect a timetable. Opportunities show up without warning and on short notice. It's best if we just let him do his thing until he says he's done, or at a stopping point and a choice needs to be made.
Final results should be within 2 weeks.
Can't lose at this point, I'm up $84 with more free play pending. I'll just say it's more than $1 in pending FP and less than $500 in pending FP.
I'm hoping he had to look up the correct hold for 9s, ts, J's, qs, ks on a sequential royal game with a sf progressive and took an extra second to post.
Let's add some kind of new player offer to the mix as well. A guy can dream right?
Edit: Doh! Nice work Ax!
I have no clue what you are talking about.Quote: prozemaBased on his post, I got the impression he was sitting in front of a play or had just played it.
I'm hoping he had to look up the correct hold for 9s, ts, J's, qs, ks on a sequential royal game with a sf progressive and took an extra second to post.
Let's add some kind of new player offer to the mix as well. A guy can dream right?
Edit: Doh! Nice work Ax!
Woot woot !Quote: AxelWolfCan't lose at this point, I'm up $84 with more free play pending.
Quote: AxelWolfJufo is just going to have to sit out this one.
Final results should be within 2 weeks.
Can't lose at this point, I'm up $84 with more free play pending. I'll just say it's more than $1 in pending FP and less than $500 in pending FP.
Nice
Please take a couple bucks and buy yourself a cold beverage
Okey Dokey. Time to decide something.....Quote: troopscottNice
Please take a couple bucks and buy yourself a cold beverage
Currently, whatever Axel increases the fund to will be divided between 23 members ( 1 gets slightly less for pro-rata share.
I propose that as a thank you to Wizard, that we cut him in for an equal share, which he can spend on himself or do with as he pleases.
Would anyone object to that gesture? Speak now, please.
Quote: OnceDearOkey Dokey. Time to decide something.....
Currently, whatever Axel increases the fund to will be divided between 23 members ( 1 gets slightly less for pro-rata share.
I propose that as a thank you to Wizard, that we cut him in for an equal share, which he can spend on himself or do with as he pleases.
Would anyone object to that gesture? Speak now, please.
I am good with anything. My question is are we rolling this into a parlay after he is done or anything else?
Quote: OnceDearOkey Dokey. Time to decide something.....
Currently, whatever Axel increases the fund to will be divided between 23 members ( 1 gets slightly less for pro-rata share.
I propose that as a thank you to Wizard, that we cut him in for an equal share, which he can spend on himself or do with as he pleases.
Would anyone object to that gesture? Speak now, please.
Ok, I'll be the a-hole. I thought wizard got a big pile of page views and advertising revenue so we held our end of the bargain.
This won't be the hill I'll choose to die on, but I thought we were getting a free roll, not giving one.
Anyway, if we imposed an extra burden in the accounting / distribution department, compensation makes sense.
Quote: troopscottI am good with anything. My question is are we rolling this into a parlay after he is done or anything else?
Not sure that I'm down with long odds even if it is +EV. I think we see what we have in a week or so and then evaluate at the time giving players who are done a chance to cash in.
Quote: OnceDearOkey Dokey. Time to decide something.....
Currently, whatever Axel increases the fund to will be divided between 23 members ( 1 gets slightly less for pro-rata share.
I propose that as a thank you to Wizard, that we cut him in for an equal share, which he can spend on himself or do with as he pleases.
Would anyone object to that gesture? Speak now, please.
Yes, I do object. I also object to your requiring that people speak now, otherwise you will take some of their money and give it to Wizard. Nobody gave you the right to do that.
Your site has run a contest with announced rules and payout criteria. The contest is over and winnings have been announced. You are a moderator on that site and are now announcing that everyone's winning's will be reduced by 1/24 unless people speak up immediately. Don't you see anything wrong with that?
Is it objectionable if I propose we drink a toast to Mike... objectionable because it's that guy OnceDear again telling us what to do? Pah!
It was not an instruction or a demand. Sorry if you saw it that way. It was just a proposal. Any sense of urgency was conveyed just because this place can be like herding cats. I absolutely would not assume an opt-in of anyone who did not do so positively. I'm surprised you read it that way.Quote: gordonm888Yes, I do object. I also object to your requiring that people speak now, otherwise you will take some of their money and give it to Wizard. Nobody gave you the right to do that.
Actually, I was also thinking of proposing a thank you ( just the words and maybe a beer ) to AxelWolf, but it looks like some would begrudge him that.
Oh hum. Thanks Wizard and Axelwolf from Oncedear only.
I think that should be handled individually and privately in a PM to Wizard as part of a distribution request to Wizard. For example: if everyone's share is $20, you might write Wizard and say:
Dear Wizard, thank you for the game, please send me $19 of my winnings via your preferred method, PayPal, and keep $1 for yourself.
I also want to express my thanks to the Wiz for this free-roll.Quote: WizardMy advice is 0.5% to 1%, depending on the jackpot amount, the higher the jackpot, the lower the percentage. Your tip was 0.56%, which was right in line with my advice.
And for Axel for his "investment advisor" services.
And to my parents, and my lovely wife, and of course my children, my agent, all of my fans, as well as all the members of the academy ! And to all the people behind the scenes like the Administrators who do a fantastic job with the administration, of the uh, well you know, the adminstratortionshipness.
Quote: OnceDear
I propose that as a thank you to Wizard, that we cut him in for an equal share, which he can spend on himself or do with as he pleases.
Would anyone object to that gesture? Speak now, please.
1. See ABOVE. OD, you were proposing to cut Wizard in for an equal share of the pool. There is no way that anyone could assume or even imagine that this was an "opt-in or opt-out" kind of proposal. Once you allow Wizard in for a share you have reduced everyone's share.
2. I am indeed grateful to Wizard. I have thanked him. When I eventually meet him I suppose I will buy him a beer. If he and I ever eat together I will probably propose to pick up the check. I am not ungrateful. I simply want to be gracious and express my gratitude in a style that is genuinely my own.
3. Anyone who publicly proposes to give my money to his boss, publicly asks if anyone has any objections and then implies that I am an ungrateful wretch for having such an objection is being unfair. How about this:
"I propose that we all donate 100% of our winnings to Nathan, because she is the most financially stressed of anyone in our contest and to make amends for having been treated so roughly by some in this forum. Also, Nathan will then have the $25 with which to enter the NFL Picks contest. If anyone objects, please speak now, and we will respond with statements about what an unsympathetic, self-centered person you are. "
(I obviously know you’re kidding)
Quote: gordonm888"I propose that we all donate 100% of our winnings to Nathan, because she is the most financially stressed of anyone in our contest and to make amends for having been treated so roughly by some in this forum. Also, Nathan will then have the $25 with which to enter the NFL Picks contest. If anyone objects, please speak now, and we will respond with statements about what an unsympathetic, self-centered person you are. "
Cheer's Gordon. What a fine and generous gesture.
Of course, neither Gordon nor myself can speak for any other member, but since Wizard has accepted my assistance in allocating and distributing funds, I'm happy to take instructions such as this. So 100% of gordonm888's winnings to be reallocated to Nathan or did I (mischievously) misinterpret? Anyone else care to add to that?
$;o)
Quote: SOOPOOOnce again I am using my time to discuss perhaps a dollar or two. I see both sides. But Judge SOOPOO would have to rule in Gordon's favor. By even making this proposal, OD, you are giving people two two choices.... go along and give the Wiz the $1 or so we are talking about, or look like the pathetic cheap person you appear to be.
Cant we all get along?
Quote: prozemaOk, I'll be the a-hole. I thought wizard got a big pile of page views and advertising revenue so we held our end of the bargain.
First of all, if page views translated into money, I wouldn't have run my sites into the ground financially. They always always got great traffic, it was just that nobody patronized the advertisers when I was in charge. Now I'm on salary, primarily to write for WoO. Running the Cooperation Game was strictly for entertainment purposes. Every dime in prize money came out of my pocket. So, thank you for that knife in the back.
Don't bother even debating it -- I do not ask for and will not accept a share.
Quote: WizardFirst of all, if page views translated into money, I wouldn't have run my sites into the ground financially. They always always got great traffic, it was just that nobody patronized the advertisers when I was in charge. Now I'm on salary, primarily to write for WoO. Running the Cooperation Game was strictly for entertainment purposes. Every dime in prize money came out of my pocket. So, thank you for that knife in the back.
Don't bother even debating it -- I do not ask for and will not accept a share.
Only way pages views translate to money is via adsense. Adsense will not allow their ads to run on gambling websites
