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August 10th, 2018 at 12:49:44 PM permalink

Quote: Face
You got to find out who's a c@#$, who would sell their honor for pocket change, and, conversely, who can be trusted despite whatever influences may exist. And it only cost you +$10.

Seems quite appointing to me. Chin up.

AyeCarumba stole because the big pool wanted to freeze us out in earlier rounds and I bribed him.

OneNickelMiracle stole because he KNEW there was as least one other steal.

DJATC stole for the lulz and it�s a very small amount of money. Also probably didn�t like the big pool freezing us out.

If I were going to make real world judgments based on the game, I�d hate Romes, SOOPOO and TroopScott and never let them play the WoV Picks Game. I�m not an Admin anymore. I don�t need to be diplomatic.

But, we can�t make real world judgments based on a silly game.

I don�t know AyeCarumba personally, but you�ll never find two more honorable cool cats than DJATC and ONM.

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August 10th, 2018 at 12:56:55 PM permalink

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Aye... You were among my favorite players in this game. Thanks for all you did!

Well played Mr. Carumba.

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August 10th, 2018 at 1:07:00 PM permalink

Here's my unofficial table of results, which includes the extra funds which OnceDear lodged with Wizard. Mission's share redirected to AyeCarumba, and pooled monies distrubuted out as column 'Take'

Cells are all to 2 decimal places.

Big Pool Total $317.28 or $13.79 for each of 23 members
Small Pool Total $29.69 or $9.90 for each of 3 members. ( RS, GWAE, Maxpen )

Member	Sharing?	#1	#2	#3	#4	#5	#6	#7	#8	#9	#10	#11	#12	#13	Total	Take
Soopoo	Yes	$0.50	$-	$-	$1.00	$0.40	$-	$3.57	$0.67	$1.43	$-	$25.00	$2.50	$-	$35.07	$13.79
Playyourcardsright	Yes	$-	$0.50	$1.00	$16.25	$0.50	$-	$2.86	$0.67	$1.43	$5.00	$-	$2.00	$1.67	$31.87	$13.79
Romes	Yes	$-	$-	$-	$16.25	$0.40	$-	$2.86	$0.67	$1.79	$-	$-	$2.00	$-	$23.96	$13.79
OnceDear	Yes	$0.50	$0.40	$-	$16.25	$-	$-	$2.86	$-	$1.43	$-	$-	$2.00	$-	$23.44	$13.79
Keeneone	Yes	$-	$0.40	$-	$16.25	$-	$-	$2.86	$0.83	$1.43	$-	$-	$-	$-	$21.77	$13.79
GamerFreak	Yes	$-	$0.40	$-	$1.00	$0.50	$0.67	$2.86	$0.67	$1.43	$5.00	$-	$2.00	$1.67	$16.19	$13.79
PokerGrinder	Yes	$0.40	$-	$-	$1.00	$-	$0.67	$2.86	$0.83	$1.79	$5.00	$-	$2.50	$-	$15.04	$13.79
Prozema	Yes	$0.40	$0.40	$-	$1.00	$0.40	$-	$2.86	$0.67	$1.43	$5.00	$-	$2.00	$-	$14.15	$13.79
Nathan	Yes	$0.50	$0.40	$1.25	$-	$0.40	$0.67	$3.57	$0.67	$1.79	$-	$-	$2.00	$1.67	$12.91	$13.79
OneNickelMiracle	???	$0.50	$-	$1.25	$1.00	$0.40	$-	$2.86	$0.67	$1.43	$-	$-	$2.50	$1.67	$12.27	$12.27
GWAE	small pool	$0.40	$0.40	$-	$1.00	$0.40	$0.67	$2.86	$0.83	$1.79	$-	$-	$2.00	$1.67	$12.01	$9.90
Ayecarumba	No	$0.40	$0.40	$-	$1.00	$0.40	$0.67	$2.86	$0.67	$1.43	$-	$-	$2.00	$1.67	$11.49	$20.27
JohnnyQ	Yes	$-	$0.40	$-	$1.00	$0.40	$-	$2.86	$-	$1.43	$5.00	$-	$-	$-	$11.09	$13.79
RS	small pool	$0.50	$0.40	$-	$-	$0.40	$0.67	$2.86	$0.67	$1.79	$-	$-	$2.00	$1.67	$10.94	$9.90
Dalex64	Yes	$0.40	$0.40	$-	$1.00	$0.40	$-	$2.86	$0.67	$1.43	$-	$-	$2.00	$1.67	$10.82	$13.79
UK MARK	Yes	$0.40	$0.40	$1.25	$-	$0.40	$0.67	$3.57	$0.67	$1.43	$-	$-	$-	$1.67	$10.45	$13.79
Face	Yes	$0.40	$0.40	$1.00	$-	$0.50	$-	$3.57	$0.83	$1.43	$-	$-	$2.00	$-	$10.13	$13.79
Joeman	Yes	$0.40	$-	$1.25	$1.00	$-	$0.67	$2.86	$-	$1.79	$-	$-	$2.00	$-	$9.96	$13.79
DJTeddyBear	???	$0.40	$0.40	$-	$1.00	$0.40	$-	$3.57	$0.67	$1.43	$-	$-	$2.00	$-	$9.87	$9.87
SM777	???	$-	$0.40	$-	$-	$-	$0.67	$2.86	$0.67	$1.43	$-	$-	$2.00	$1.67	$9.69	$9.69
MidwestAP	???	$0.40	$0.40	$-	$1.00	$0.40	$-	$2.86	$0.67	$1.43	$-	$-	$2.50	$-	$9.65	$9.65
Miplet	Yes	$0.50	$0.50	$-	$-	$0.40	$0.67	$2.86	$0.83	$1.79	$-	$-	$2.00	$-	$9.54	$13.79
Gordonm888	Yes	$-	$0.40	$1.00	$-	$0.40	$0.67	$2.86	$0.67	$1.43	$-	$-	$2.00	$-	$9.42	$13.79
Mission146	small pool	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$2.86	$0.83	$1.43	$-	$-	$2.00	$1.67	$8.79	$-
DJATC	???	$-	$-	$-	$1.00	$0.40	$0.67	$2.86	$0.67	$1.43	$-	$-	$-	$1.67	$8.69	$8.69
Axelwolf	Yes	$-	$-	$-	$-	$0.40	$0.67	$2.86	$0.67	$1.43	$-	$-	$2.00	$-	$8.02	$13.79
Troopscott	Yes	$0.50	$0.50	$1.00	$-	$-	$0.67	$2.86	$0.67	$1.43	$-	$-	$-	$-	$7.62	$13.79
BeachBumBabs	Yes	$0.40	$0.40	$-	$-	$0.40	$0.67	$3.57	$0.67	$1.43	$-	$-	$-	$-	$7.53	$13.79
Torghatten	Yes	$-	$0.40	$-	$-	$-	$-	$3.57	$-	$1.43	$-	$-	$2.00	$-	$7.40	$13.79
Jmarch79	Yes	$0.50	$0.40	$-	$-	$-	$-	$2.86	$-	$1.43	$-	$-	$2.00	$-	$7.19	$13.79
Mikey75	Yes	$-	$0.40	$-	$1.00	$0.40	$-	$2.86	$0.67	$1.79	$-	$-	$-	$-	$7.11	$13.79
MaxPen	small pool	$-	$0.50	$-	$-	$0.40	$-	$3.57	$0.83	$1.43	$-	$-	$-	$-	$6.73	$9.90
Jufo81	Yes	$-	$-	$1.00	$-	$0.50	$-	$2.86	$0.83	$1.43	$-	$-	$-	$-	$6.62	$13.79
Billryan	Yes - retired	$0.40	$-	$-	$1.00	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$1.40	$1.40
Boz	No-Show	$0.40	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$0.40	$0.40
HeyMrDJ	No-Show	$0.40	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$0.40	$0.40
SodaWater	No-Show	$0.40	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$-	$0.40	$0.40
Totals		$10.00	$10.00	$10.00	$80.00	$10.00	$10.00	$100.00	$20.00	$50.00	$25.00	$25.00	$50.00	$20.00	$420.00	$420.00
Potentially		$10.00	$10.00	$20.00	$80.00	$30.00	$30.00	$100.00	$20.00	$50.00	$25.00	$25.00	$130.00	$40.00	$570.00	$570.00

E&OE

Congratulations to us all for making it an interesting thread and Three Cheers for Wizard for making it all possible.
Hip Hip Hooray
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August 10th, 2018 at 1:36:40 PM permalink

I also am thankful to the Wizard for sponsoring the game, as well as everyone else who put cash into it (at least promised to). And a big thanks to OD and BBB for editing the tables.

In a way I will be glad to walk away from this �Den of Thieves� and get back to the real world. On the other hand, it was a lot of laughs, and I look forward to the next time.

Best of luck to those moving on to the parlay! I hope you win enough to get invited to �Gambling With An Edge�. I�ll be following your exploits with interest. Please take care of each other.

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August 10th, 2018 at 1:54:38 PM permalink

Many thanks to the Wiz for sponsoring the game.

My vote for the big pool is that we all give our money to Axel for the big pot. He's a vegas local, and then if we democratically decide to do something that needs bets placed/etc it's much easier that way.

Playing it correctly means you've already won.

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August 10th, 2018 at 1:58:21 PM permalink

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But, we can�t make real world judgments based on a silly game.

I'm sorry, I keep failing to convey facisoiusness properly. I guess I thought the idea of publicly denouncing their actual selves based on a dime-a-hand game of bluff and connive was ridiculous enough so as to not to require a disclaimer.

Alternatively, the line defining joke and being an a-hole has certainly dulled for me in the last few. I am admittedly failing with keeping work at work.

Either way, my fault. Apologies to any / all offended.

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August 10th, 2018 at 2:04:13 PM permalink

Face:

No, entirely my fault, I should know you better than that.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219

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August 10th, 2018 at 2:38:48 PM permalink

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Face:

No, entirely my fault, I should know you better than that.

Thank you for the freeroll and several weeks worth of fun at no cost to me. Hopefully we did a good job as retarded monkeys and gave you a spike in pageviews to help with your advertising metrics.

Thank you to Mission for being a worthy adversary in bashing each other. For me sir the game had been somewhat boring until our battle became a part of the game. That is why I did not want to check your PM though if we were both capitans I would have and let you know that is why I had not checked it. Never at any point did I take our back and forth serious and I hope you did not either.

Thank you to the big pool for helping us get 10x more money than the small pool. Let's turn our 300 in 3k with a couple nice parlays or whatever besides Nathan's lotto picks and mega millions

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August 10th, 2018 at 2:39:07 PM permalink

Thank you Wizard for funding and running this game. You did a good job.

For the record, I am not irritated with anyone for their play during this COOP game. Whoever said they are irritated with Romes, Soopoo and Troopscott would probably like those guys if they met them. It was a game and we all made money, so let's calm down and move on to the NFL Picks game where you can show us all how smart you are.

I am fine with Romes' suggestion that Axel make a bet with my winnings, if Axel is agreeable.

So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.

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August 10th, 2018 at 3:42:12 PM permalink

Quote: Romes
Many thanks to the Wiz for sponsoring the game.

My vote for the big pool is that we all give our money to Axel for the big pot. He's a vegas local, and then if we democratically decide to do something that needs bets placed/etc it's much easier that way.

As I said before, I would be willing to invest the money on a few small "no risk" plays. I just need to know whos in ( I guess I don't even really need to know that)and how much we are working with. Once I know how much I'm working with I can estimate how much we should make. I won't be looking to HIT BIG I will be grinding. Off the top of my head...the best case scenario would be around $400 bucks. FYI ill be adding in my extra $5 I won from Mike as well. I might need some help from a member when the time comes, that should save us some money.

I don't need the money in my hand. The Wizard can just hold on to it and ill use my own money for now. Whatever I make on the investment I will give to Mike to re-distribute to everyone. If anyone wants to put their winning on parlays after or before that I suggest they talk to Mike and see if he's willing to put them in.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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August 10th, 2018 at 3:44:42 PM permalink

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Thank you Wizard for funding and running this game. You did a good job.

For the record, I am not irritated with anyone for their play during this COOP game. Whoever said they are irritated with Romes, Soopoo and Troopscott would probably like those guys if they met them. It was a game and we all made money, so let's calm down and move on to the NFL Picks game where you can show us all how smart you are.

I am fine with Romes' suggestion that Axel make a bet with my winnings, if Axel is agreeable.

I don't have a problem with that.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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August 10th, 2018 at 5:26:33 PM permalink

I�m in for whatever Ax is doing with the money. My portion goes to his plan. (You better make me a millionaire buddy)

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August 10th, 2018 at 5:27:31 PM permalink

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Thank you for the freeroll and several weeks worth of fun at no cost to me. Hopefully we did a good job as retarded monkeys and gave you a spike in pageviews to help with your advertising metrics.

Thank you to Mission for being a worthy adversary in bashing each other. For me sir the game had been somewhat boring until our battle became a part of the game. That is why I did not want to check your PM though if we were both capitans I would have and let you know that is why I had not checked it. Never at any point did I take our back and forth serious and I hope you did not either.

Thank you to the big pool for helping us get 10x more money than the small pool. Let's turn our 300 in 3k with a couple nice parlays or whatever besides Nathan's lotto picks and mega millions

Definitely a thanks to Wizard and thanks for letting me jump in the game after BillRyan quit.

That was fun, TroopScott, and I agree you're a worthy adversary. I'm going to team up with you if we ever have a game like this again, being against you is too frustrating.

Gordon, it's all good, I don't think anybody is seriously mad at anyone else. When I took Face's post seriously (which it wasn't) I was just saying I'd not have a good opinion of people if I based my opinions on this game.

I agree it's onto the NFL Picks Game! I'm not going to win, though. I'll probably perform slightly better than average and finish nowhere near protecting any of my own prizes.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219

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August 10th, 2018 at 5:34:21 PM permalink

Thanks, Mike, for the freeroll!

I would like my money to go to Axel's play.

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August 10th, 2018 at 5:56:24 PM permalink

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Thanks, Mike, for the freeroll!

I would like my money to go to Axel's play.

Ditto.

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August 10th, 2018 at 6:15:57 PM permalink

Axel:

I guess if all ( some ? ) of the cool kids are doing it, I would like to get in on the "sure" thing with my few dollars.

JQ

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August 10th, 2018 at 6:33:23 PM permalink

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Axel:

I guess if all ( some ? ) of the cool kids are doing it, I would like to get in on the "sure" thing with my few dollars.

JQ

This raises an interesting question... I had assumed that the big pool players all had an equal share of the big pool win... I.e. individual performance didnt matter.
Is that right or do we have a equity based on individual performance?

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August 10th, 2018 at 6:37:26 PM permalink

Anyone up for a one day Grace period? For the people who forgot to PM Wizard for the Final Round whether they wanted to Steal or Share? Like say give a final chance to tally say tomorrow at 9PM Vegas time? Today was a work day for most working adults playing this and I'm sure many people forgot to PM him their final votes today. Anyone up for an extended one day Grace period? :)

In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D "Man Babes" #AxelFabulous "Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D "For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?" Wizard, August 21st. :D

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August 10th, 2018 at 6:40:27 PM permalink

There are some who would suggest that you�ve well-exceeded your one day grace period.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219

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August 10th, 2018 at 6:43:25 PM permalink

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There are some who would suggest that you�ve well-exceeded your one day grace period.

Bah! I'll just ask the Highest Ranking Member to give me a one day Grace period! I mean, I'll ask him to give Everybody a one day Grace period. ;) Highest Ranking Member, can I...I mean can everybody have a one day Grace period? ;)

In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D "Man Babes" #AxelFabulous "Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D "For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?" Wizard, August 21st. :D

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August 10th, 2018 at 6:58:08 PM permalink

I�ve said from the beginning that I was in the big pool and that I was for trying to turn the winnings into something more. I�m all for putting my share with Axel. If he believes a play is good and is willing to do it then I�m all for it.

Thanks Wizard for giving us a little fun and thanks to Axel for being willing to take the money and grind some with it.

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August 10th, 2018 at 7:35:30 PM permalink

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Anyone up for a one day Grace period? For the people who forgot to PM Wizard for the Final Round whether they wanted to Steal or Share? Like say give a final chance to tally say tomorrow at 9PM Vegas time? Today was a work day for most working adults playing this and I'm sure many people forgot to PM him their final votes today. Anyone up for an extended one day Grace period? :)

I got to work and put in my vote

"Man Babes" #AxelFabulous

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August 10th, 2018 at 7:43:11 PM permalink

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I got to work and put in my vote

I put my vote in too but l put it on the thread and forgot to PM Wizard this Round.

In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D "Man Babes" #AxelFabulous "Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D "For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?" Wizard, August 21st. :D

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August 10th, 2018 at 7:43:14 PM permalink

I guess my strategy of keeping my mouth shut was the way to go.

How many of those who got involved in arguments finished top 5?

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August 10th, 2018 at 8:19:26 PM permalink

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I put my vote in too but l put it on the thread and forgot to PM Wizard this Round.

Why do you feel that you needed to pm Wizard on the final round?

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August 10th, 2018 at 8:57:01 PM permalink

Quote: Nathan
Anyone up for a one day Grace period? For the people who forgot to PM Wizard for the Final Round whether they wanted to Steal or Share? Like say give a final chance to tally say tomorrow at 9PM Vegas time? Today was a work day for most working adults playing this and I'm sure many people forgot to PM him their final votes today. Anyone up for an extended one day Grace period? :)

The game is finished. You didn't have a vote on this last round, so you missed nothing.

If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.

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August 10th, 2018 at 9:02:05 PM permalink

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The game is finished. You didn't have a vote on this last round, so you missed nothing.

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August 10th, 2018 at 10:24:25 PM permalink

Quote: Nathan
Anyone up for a one day Grace period? For the people who forgot to PM Wizard for the Final Round whether they wanted to Steal or Share? Like say give a final chance to tally say tomorrow at 9PM Vegas time? Today was a work day for most working adults playing this and I'm sure many people forgot to PM him their final votes today. Anyone up for an extended one day Grace period? :)

I would seriously like to know how this isn't trolling??? My G-d this is literally what trolling is! Whatever clearly trolling is allowed now smh.

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August 10th, 2018 at 11:58:08 PM permalink

Quote: beachbumbabs
The game is finished. You didn't have a vote on this last round, so you missed nothing.

Last Round I voted Steal last minutes. ;)

In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D "Man Babes" #AxelFabulous "Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D "For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?" Wizard, August 21st. :D

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August 10th, 2018 at 11:59:18 PM permalink

Quote: PokerGrinder
I would seriously like to know how this isn't trolling??? My G-d this is literally what trolling is! Whatever clearly trolling is allowed now smh.

I seriously wasn't trying to Troll. I honestly thought we were supposed to PM Wizard our votes.

In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D "Man Babes" #AxelFabulous "Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D "For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?" Wizard, August 21st. :D

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August 11th, 2018 at 12:00:41 AM permalink

Quote: Nathan
Last Round I voted Steal last minutes. ;)

That is funny if you were the one Wizard mentioned. Had I been bright, I would have asked if the person was even a captain, lol.

I am a robot.

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August 11th, 2018 at 12:08:07 AM permalink

Quote: onenickelmiracle
That is funny if you were the one Wizard mentioned. Had I been bright, I would have asked if the person was even a captain, lol.

I doubt Wizard was the one I was talking about but there was talks of a certain Poster who blindly went along with whatever their Team wanted them to vote whether it be Steal or Share. This is what prompted me to suggest a Rogue Round where everyone votes what they want to vote, not under the influence of a Team. ;)

In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D "Man Babes" #AxelFabulous "Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D "For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?" Wizard, August 21st. :D

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August 11th, 2018 at 1:01:02 AM permalink

Quote: Nathan
I seriously wasn't trying to Troll. I honestly thought we were supposed to PM Wizard our votes.

If you weren�t trolling (which you were) then you were just speaking for the sake of speaking without reading how the game was being played. Seeing as you are active in this thread and clearly are paying attention, this is why your posts are trolling.

Nathan you really make me miss the UK kitchen guys and they were really annoying. (They made great kitchens though I�ve heard)

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August 11th, 2018 at 5:20:33 AM permalink

Quote: prozema
This raises an interesting question... I had assumed that the big pool players all had an equal share of the big pool win... I.e. individual performance didnt matter.
Is that right or do we have a equity based on individual performance?

I think all the big pool players get an equal amount.

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Here's my unofficial table of results, which includes the extra funds which OnceDear lodged with Wizard. Mission's share redirected to AyeCarumba, and pooled monies distrubuted out as column 'Take'

Cells are all to 2 decimal places.

Big Pool Total $317.28 or $13.79 for each of 23 members

To continue the fun, I want Axel to try to run that up a little higher with some "sure things". He volunteered to do that.

There's emptiness behind their eyes There's dust in all their hearts They just want to steal us all and take us all apart

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August 11th, 2018 at 7:59:05 AM permalink

Now that it�s over, I have a couple of thoughts�

I think the pool thing changes the game so much that it defeats the purpose in some cases. Of course, I really enjoyed the hilarity in that one round where the pool people should�ve had a lock but couldn�t get their act together at all. I would�ve laughed my ass off if the pool didn�t win that round.

On the other hand, I�m glad there was no discussion of taking the winnings and merely donating to some charity like there was last time. I�ve got nothing against donating to charity. But when you�re in a competition where you no longer have a prize to shoot for, it waters down the game. So I�m glad that didn�t happen this time.

And I�m not in the pool for a different reason. If any member was so confident that they could double money, why are they just doing that all the time? What is so special about the money earned in this game, that suddenly there�s desire to pool it to double it? Aren�t we all gamblers? Why can�t we try to double our money all the time? Bottom line, that part really makes no sense to me. And when you add in all the bickering about what type of bet to make, leave me out of it!

I already sent the message to Wizard but here is what I�m doing with my money: I�ve asked him to hold onto it, and I will use that as my bankroll for waitress trivia when I come to Vegas for G2E.

I invented a few casino games. Info: http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ �� Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁

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August 11th, 2018 at 9:06:48 AM permalink

Quote: DJTeddyBear
If any member was so confident that they could double money, why are they just doing that all the time? What is so special about the money earned in this game, that suddenly there�s desire to pool it to double it?

.

Because there is a cap how much you can make and it takes time and effort.
Let me give you an example. Let's say there's a bar that offers new patrons $50 in free play when they cycle $50 through the machine. That would be worth about $46. If played on something with low variance you should be close to that number give or take a few bucks - any tipping. Obviously, I could only do it once myself. It's not worth paying someone else to play it for you. Even if one thought it was worth doing that, no doubt they would catch on and end the promo or deny certain people.

I enjoy the forum and I like most of the members here, so I thought I would do something nice in the spirit of the game.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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August 11th, 2018 at 9:19:28 AM permalink

Quote: AxelWolf
Because there is a cap how much you can make and it takes time and effort.
Let me give you an example. Let's say there's a bar that offers new patrons $50 in free play when they cycle $50 through the machine. That would be worth about $46. If played on something with low variance you should be close to that number give or take a few bucks - any tipping. Obviously, I could only do it once myself. It's not worth paying someone else to play it for you. Even if one thought it was worth doing that, no doubt they would catch on and end the promo or deny certain people.

I enjoy the forum and I like most of the members here, so I thought I would do something nice in the spirit of the game.

That's very generous of you Axel. What if the variance runs extremely bad or good? Can the $50 end up as $2 or $1199?

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August 11th, 2018 at 9:32:22 AM permalink

Quote: Ayecarumba
That's very generous of you Axel. What if the variance runs extremely bad or good? Can the $50 end up as $2 or $1199?

Given the way I would play it $1199 would be impossible. $2 would be technically possible but I would be calling gaming. Anyways, that was just an example of something they had going in the past.

There is one thing I'm thinking of that it would be possible to hit something good, however, I would probably need help since I'm not welcome there anymore. I don't know, I could probably just sneak in and out unmolested.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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August 11th, 2018 at 10:03:00 AM permalink

Thank you for the kind words some have expressed and to those who thanked me -- you're very welcome.

About the round 13 last minute vote change, no, it wasn't Nathan. Nathan didn't have a vote so I would have been lying if I said a non-existent vote changed. I absolutely maintain there was at least one vote change shortly before the deadline. If we do this again I absolutely pledge as the host I will, again:

1. Not lie.
2. Not buy votes.
3. Not leak information.

I am allowed to mess with people by PM by saying things like "I think you should steal," but I won't say things like "there is at least one steal vote already." I believe everybody should have access to the same information.

I'm glad to see temperatures are decreasing and there are evidently no hard feelings. That said, OD has sent me $110 in vote buying money. That said, here is what I show I owe everybody.

Player	Wiz	OD	Total
AxelWolf	$6.59	$1.43	$8.02
Ayecarumba	$10.06	$1.43	$11.49
beachbumbabs	$5.75	$1.79	$7.53
billryan	$1.40	$-	$1.40
Boz	$0.40	$-	$0.40
Dalex64	$9.39	$1.43	$10.82
djatc	$7.26	$1.43	$8.69
DJTeddyBear	$8.08	$1.79	$9.87
Face	$8.35	$1.79	$10.13
gamerfreak	$14.76	$1.43	$16.19
gordonm888	$7.99	$1.43	$9.42
GWAE	$10.58	$1.43	$12.01
HeyMrDJ	$0.40	$-	$0.40
Jmarch79	$5.76	$1.43	$7.19
Joeman	$8.53	$1.43	$9.96
JohnnyQ	$9.66	$1.43	$11.09
Jufo81	$5.19	$1.43	$6.62
Keeneone	$5.34	$16.43	$21.77
MaxPen	$4.95	$1.79	$6.73
MidwestAP	$8.22	$1.43	$9.65
Mikey75	$5.68	$1.43	$7.11
miplet	$8.11	$1.43	$9.54
Mission146	$7.36	$1.43	$8.79
Nathan	$11.12	$1.79	$12.91
OnceDear	$7.01	$16.43	$23.44
onenickelmiracle	$10.84	$1.43	$12.27
PlayYourCardsRight	$15.44	$16.43	$31.87
PokerGrinder	$13.61	$1.43	$15.04
prozema	$12.72	$1.43	$14.15
Romes	$7.53	$16.43	$23.96
RS	$9.51	$1.43	$10.94
SM777	$8.26	$1.43	$9.69
sodawater	$0.40	$-	$0.40
SOOPOO	$33.28	$1.79	$35.07
Torghatten	$5.61	$1.79	$7.40
troopscott	$6.19	$1.43	$7.62
UKMark	$8.66	$1.79	$10.45
Total	$310.00	$110.00	$420.00

Some of you have given instructions for distribution a long time ago. However, I ask if you gave instructions before the end of round 13, to please do so again. To be specific, the only instructions I have recorded in my spreadsheet are from beachbumbabs, Mission146, DJTeddyBear, and prozema. If you are not one of those people, I would prefer you PM me with instructions.

Thanks all for a good game!

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August 11th, 2018 at 10:32:54 AM permalink

Quote: prozema
This raises an interesting question... I had assumed that the big pool players all had an equal share of the big pool win... I.e. individual performance didnt matter.
Is that right or do we have a equity based on individual performance?

You are correct, prozema. Unfortunately, Mike does not want me to say send $1.38 to prozema, $1.38 to nathan, $1.38 to JohnnyQ, etc....

So I am instructing him to send all of my money to Axel. I really hope there is no big pool member that wants his $13 or whatever it is sent to him instead of playing with the pool. If anyone still doesn't understand, Axel is basically giving the rest of us some EV that he would otherwise be able to keep himself. Let's let Axel try and double the funds and then we can reconvene.

Again, please, no one worry that there are any hard feelings between me and any member of the forum due to this game. There are none.

And thanks again to Mike for the free roll.

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August 11th, 2018 at 10:47:08 AM permalink

Thanks. I'll send the wizard a PM asking him to send my $$ to Axel.

Big Poolers... Here is the thread where we are devising a plan.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/casual-corner/31243-cooperation-game-big-pool-money-thread/

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August 11th, 2018 at 11:11:32 AM permalink

Quote: SOOPOO
You are correct, prozema. Unfortunately, Mike does not want me to say send $1.38 to prozema, $1.38 to nathan, $1.38 to JohnnyQ, etc....

So I am instructing him to send all of my money to Axel. I really hope there is no big pool member that wants his $13 or whatever it is sent to him instead of playing with the pool. If anyone still doesn't understand, Axel is basically giving the rest of us some EV that he would otherwise be able to keep himself. Let's let Axel try and double the funds and then we can reconvene.

Again, please, no one worry that there are any hard feelings between me and any member of the forum due to this game. There are none.

And thanks again to Mike for the free roll.

Each member of 'The Big Pool' should consider his/her 'take' to be $13.79. Give or take a fraction of a cent.

We should all endeavor to make Wizard's life as easy as possible by clearly letting him know what we wish him to do with our 'Take'. Let's please keep it simple and inexpensive for him. I.e. don't expect him to send you a cashiers check or a wad of cash, by armed courier.
I understand that paypal is free and easy for him. Maybe he can do ChasePay or amazon gift cards.

Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.

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August 11th, 2018 at 11:17:07 AM permalink

Thanks again Mike!

I would like to direct my winnings to BBB as a downpayment on my entry fee for the NFL Picks game. I also have Mission�s winnings coming my way, and they also will go toward my entry fee. Are you okay doing these kinds of transfers, or is it better for you to only direct each person�s funds one place and be done with it? I want to do what�s easiest for you.

edit: And again, thanks to OD (and any others) for straddling the blind by adding to the pot. It made for a wild ride.

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August 11th, 2018 at 12:10:46 PM permalink

I want my Share of the pot to go to Axel's plan. :) Thanks Wizard for hosting a fun game! :D

In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D "Man Babes" #AxelFabulous "Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D "For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?" Wizard, August 21st. :D

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