Four Winds ( Near Chicago ) Loss Rebate Promo
December 24th, 2010 at 11:39:55 AM
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Quote: teddysYep, thanks for that. And for anybody in the Midwest, Four Winds about 30 miles east of Chicago is offering a $400 loss rebate. That's real losses, not net losses, and they will do it for less than $400. Great promo, bring your friends.
I think we are going to try and check this out next week. I plan on posting
how it goes for us.
There's emptiness behind their eyes
There's dust in all their hearts
They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
December 24th, 2010 at 12:46:03 PM
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Isn't their rebate in the form of a freeplay mailer sent about a week after the loss? I think that is how it was explained to me last year at their players club.
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December 24th, 2010 at 1:53:45 PM
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Its for new players only. If you have a card already, you're screwed.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
December 25th, 2010 at 8:12:03 PM
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Quote: EvenBobIts for new players only.
Never been there, so wish us luck !
There's emptiness behind their eyes
There's dust in all their hearts
They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
December 25th, 2010 at 8:19:36 PM
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Quote: JohnnyQNever been there, so wish us luck !
Nicest Indian casino I've been in, on a par with anything in Vegas. Best hotel room I ever stayed in, and that includes Vegas.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
December 28th, 2010 at 8:23:24 AM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
December 28th, 2010 at 2:25:58 PM
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Just got back, my wife and brother went with me. I'll have to wait and see
how we do during part 2, after we get the rebate details and get back there.
Impressions:
- New and Very Nice.
- Every staff person we met was very friendly and helpful. So I think that attitude
is probably (hopefully) instilled by the management and part of a customer
service philosophy.
- Easy and plentiful self-parking.
- It was in a nice wooded setting, just off of I94.
Video Poker:
- There was a 9/6 JoB Triple Play in the High Limit Slots area, it was a $1 denomination.
- I think most of the 25 cent JoB VP was 8/5.
- The $ level was 9/5.
- I did see one 9/5 JoB with a progressive, also at the $ level.
Other:
- The buffet was $ 16 and we didn't try it.
how we do during part 2, after we get the rebate details and get back there.
Impressions:
- New and Very Nice.
- Every staff person we met was very friendly and helpful. So I think that attitude
is probably (hopefully) instilled by the management and part of a customer
service philosophy.
- Easy and plentiful self-parking.
- It was in a nice wooded setting, just off of I94.
Video Poker:
- There was a 9/6 JoB Triple Play in the High Limit Slots area, it was a $1 denomination.
- I think most of the 25 cent JoB VP was 8/5.
- The $ level was 9/5.
- I did see one 9/5 JoB with a progressive, also at the $ level.
Other:
- The buffet was $ 16 and we didn't try it.
There's emptiness behind their eyes
There's dust in all their hearts
They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
December 28th, 2010 at 4:02:13 PM
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Quote: JohnnyQ:
- The buffet was $ 16 and we didn't try it.
When they opened in 2007, it was great. Now it consists of about 15 different dishes made from beans. I kid you not.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
December 28th, 2010 at 6:36:16 PM
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With the loss rebate in effect, we played some in the High Limit Slots area,
which was enough to get us into the player's lounge there and we had
some appetizers. Very cozy, gas fireplace, leather couches... Other-
wise, we probably would have tried the buffet.
which was enough to get us into the player's lounge there and we had
some appetizers. Very cozy, gas fireplace, leather couches... Other-
wise, we probably would have tried the buffet.
There's emptiness behind their eyes
There's dust in all their hearts
They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
January 2nd, 2011 at 1:52:19 PM
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We haven't gotten our letters with the rebate details yet,
but the score is Four Winds 3, Gamblers ( me, Mrs Q,
and my brother ) 0, so far.
We played with the goal of getting a Royal Flush,
or at least 4 dueces in Dueces Wild, and we didn't
hit.
So when we return, I think we'll play the money
through once, and decide whether to continue on
or cash out.
I am pretty amazed by this particular rebate offer.
The highest I had seen before in LV was at the
Stratosphere years ago, and more recently at
Arizona Charlie's for $ 100. I think Arizona
Charlie's changed the rules a bit since then.
I guess there is something at Terrible's now,
but I won't bother sorting out the details until
I have another trip planned to LV.
but the score is Four Winds 3, Gamblers ( me, Mrs Q,
and my brother ) 0, so far.
We played with the goal of getting a Royal Flush,
or at least 4 dueces in Dueces Wild, and we didn't
hit.
So when we return, I think we'll play the money
through once, and decide whether to continue on
or cash out.
I am pretty amazed by this particular rebate offer.
The highest I had seen before in LV was at the
Stratosphere years ago, and more recently at
Arizona Charlie's for $ 100. I think Arizona
Charlie's changed the rules a bit since then.
I guess there is something at Terrible's now,
but I won't bother sorting out the details until
I have another trip planned to LV.
There's emptiness behind their eyes
There's dust in all their hearts
They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
January 6th, 2011 at 7:00:01 PM
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Just got back from Four Winds. A buddy and I went there for the $400 loss rebate promotion. From reading this thread we were under the impression that we just had to cycle through $400 worth of losses to get the rebate. This is untrue. You need to lose $400 to get the rebate, like stop playing when you are down $400. They were very clear about that when they explained the offer. You can stop at any time and get a smaller rebate, but it is based on your net loss for the day. Sorry to beat this to death but I want to way this works to be clear to people who read this thread in the future since it wasn't clear to us.
We decided to use the highest variance strategy we could find. I did two $200 pulls, lost. My friend made 5 $100 pulls (he had a small win.) We will be back to recoup our losses once we get the rebate. Even though we lost, I feel like it is the highest EV play we have ever made in a casino.
I have to disagree with the comment about the buffet being bad. I was initially upset that it cost $25 but everything I had was AWESOME. It was worth it.
We decided to use the highest variance strategy we could find. I did two $200 pulls, lost. My friend made 5 $100 pulls (he had a small win.) We will be back to recoup our losses once we get the rebate. Even though we lost, I feel like it is the highest EV play we have ever made in a casino.
I have to disagree with the comment about the buffet being bad. I was initially upset that it cost $25 but everything I had was AWESOME. It was worth it.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:08:35 PM
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We are still waiting for our Rebate Letter.
I didn't know the exact details on the way the loss was calculated,
but it also may have changed over time.
My "strategy" was to play Jacks or Better VP and try to hit a Royal
and then NOT need the Loss Rebate. That didn't happen. So
we'll be going back sometime. I went from 25 cents to the $1
level of play. It seemed like I would have had to play "forever"
to lose $ 400 on a 25 cent machine ( $ 1.25 per VP hand ).
I didn't know the exact details on the way the loss was calculated,
but it also may have changed over time.
My "strategy" was to play Jacks or Better VP and try to hit a Royal
and then NOT need the Loss Rebate. That didn't happen. So
we'll be going back sometime. I went from 25 cents to the $1
level of play. It seemed like I would have had to play "forever"
to lose $ 400 on a 25 cent machine ( $ 1.25 per VP hand ).
There's emptiness behind their eyes
There's dust in all their hearts
They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
January 18th, 2011 at 5:37:48 PM
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So the Rebate Promo came in the Mail
about 2 weeks after our first visit, and
you have about 5 weeks to use it before
it expires. I played and lost the entire
$ 400 on my first visit.
Details of the Mailing:
$ 400 Rebate in Free Play
$ 125 Additional Free Play good on a single Wedn in Feb
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$ 525 ! ! !
+ a Free Hotel Room, good even on weekends.
So my brother and I went back this past Sunday,
since we were sortof in the area anyway for our
Mom's 90th birthday.
We each played the $ 400 thru once on the 8/5
Jacks or Better, because we wanted enough
hands to get close to the Expected Return.
After playing exactly $ 400 thru ( the machine
has a count-down meter that shows you
exactly where you are ), I cashed out with
$ 398.75, which I was quite pleased with.
My brother did even better, ending up
about $ 35 ahead, having gotten off to
a good start with a couple of Full Houses
pretty quickly.
The promo worked exactly as I had hoped
it would, you just have to play it through
once, and then you can cash out.
We continued to play after the promo
was done, and I ended up losing about
$ 50 doing that, which still left me with
the $ 350.
The hotel room was also very nice,
the place is relatively new and they
are doing a nice job keeping it in
good condition.
This is the best promo I have ever
seen ! THANKS to TEDDYS, I think,
for mentioning it on this site.
about 2 weeks after our first visit, and
you have about 5 weeks to use it before
it expires. I played and lost the entire
$ 400 on my first visit.
Details of the Mailing:
$ 400 Rebate in Free Play
$ 125 Additional Free Play good on a single Wedn in Feb
====
$ 525 ! ! !
+ a Free Hotel Room, good even on weekends.
So my brother and I went back this past Sunday,
since we were sortof in the area anyway for our
Mom's 90th birthday.
We each played the $ 400 thru once on the 8/5
Jacks or Better, because we wanted enough
hands to get close to the Expected Return.
After playing exactly $ 400 thru ( the machine
has a count-down meter that shows you
exactly where you are ), I cashed out with
$ 398.75, which I was quite pleased with.
My brother did even better, ending up
about $ 35 ahead, having gotten off to
a good start with a couple of Full Houses
pretty quickly.
The promo worked exactly as I had hoped
it would, you just have to play it through
once, and then you can cash out.
We continued to play after the promo
was done, and I ended up losing about
$ 50 doing that, which still left me with
the $ 350.
The hotel room was also very nice,
the place is relatively new and they
are doing a nice job keeping it in
good condition.
This is the best promo I have ever
seen ! THANKS to TEDDYS, I think,
for mentioning it on this site.
There's emptiness behind their eyes
There's dust in all their hearts
They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
January 18th, 2011 at 6:26:59 PM
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Quote: JohnnyQ
After playing exactly $ 400 thru ( the machine
has a count-down meter that shows you
exactly where you are ), I cashed out with
$ 398.75, which I was quite pleased with.
.
So you spent $400 to get back $398? Congratulations? Think I'll stay home instead..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
January 18th, 2011 at 6:53:02 PM
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Quote: EvenBobSo you spent $400 to get back $398? Congratulations? Think I'll stay home instead..
You're ignoring the fact that they could have won with the first $400 they lost. I think the rebate worked very well. I'm hoping to use it for myself soon. Trying to figure out what the best strategy is.
January 18th, 2011 at 6:54:48 PM
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Quote: FinsRuleYou're ignoring the fact that they could have won with the first $400 they lost.
But then they wouldn't have gotten the rebate.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
January 18th, 2011 at 7:07:20 PM
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Quote: EvenBobBut then they wouldn't have gotten the rebate.
This is emblematic of the basic misunderstanding you see every time someone talks about a loss rebate.
OBVIOUSLY (duhhhhhhh.....) the best outcome would have been that the player won, and didn't need the rebate at all. Having to get the rebate was not the optimal result; in fact, it was the worst one. The value of the rebate was that the worst possible outcome was, instead of losing, that the player got his money back in the form of the rebate. It's better to lose $0 than $400.
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw
January 18th, 2011 at 9:31:54 PM
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You're welcome! You did well. You are ahead from the hotel room (did you get the suite?) and the extra $125. Plus you were able to hold onto most of the cash, unlike me :0 Keep a lookout for more cash offers in the future.Quote: JohnnyQ
This is the best promo I have ever
seen ! THANKS to TEDDYS, I think,
for mentioning it on this site.
By the way, I was there this weekend (playing All-in Hold 'Em), and when I asked for a meal comp, they said I was "in the negative." Translation: I am not a money maker for them.
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
January 18th, 2011 at 9:37:15 PM
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Quote: teddysYou're welcome! You did well. You are ahead from the hotel room (did you get the suite?) and the extra $125. .
You should have run the $125 thru the Bally Roulette machine, they have them at 4 Winds. You could have gotten $125 in cash plus the free room.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
January 18th, 2011 at 11:07:45 PM
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Is the roulette machine 0, or 00?
January 18th, 2011 at 11:19:12 PM
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Quote: FinsRuleIs the roulette machine 0, or 00?
It doesn't matter. Say you have $100 in free play on your card. Bet $50 on red and $50 on black and $6 on the zero split or if its a single zero machine, $3 on the zero. You need to put $110 cash in first for it to work. When you print out the ticket, you will have won $100 plus getting your 110 back, minus the zero bet.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
January 19th, 2011 at 3:57:10 AM
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Quote: EvenBobSo you spent $400 to get back $398? Congratulations? Think I'll stay home instead.
Not sure if you were just kidding. But To clarify:
1st Visit: Lost $ 400 playing VP
2nd Visit: The loss rebate of $ 400 was put on my card as Free Play.
I played "their" money thru once, and cashed out with $398.75
They also gave me a free hotel room for Sunday night.
3rd Visit: Haven't done this yet, but the Mrs needs to play through
her loss rebate still, and if we can schedule the trip for
the right day, we will EACH also get $ 125 more in free play.
To Summarize:
This is a GREAT deal.
There's emptiness behind their eyes
There's dust in all their hearts
They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
January 19th, 2011 at 5:02:04 AM
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>1st Visit: Lost $ 400 playing VP
It happens.
>2nd Visit: The loss rebate of $ 400 was put on my card as Free Play.
Thats nice. I assume you use the Free Play however you desire, but since you like VP, that is most likely how you would use it.
>I played "their" money
>To Summarize: This is a GREAT deal.
Yeah, I guess it is. I'd prefer the First Trip you win 400 and they give you an additional 400 but it ain't likely to happen .. not ever! So this is about as close as you can come to getting something really good. Now we each know the casino's motive was to get you back there on that second trip and get you back there real soon. They want you to dig deeper into your pockets and they want you to do that digging promptly. They want you to get into the habit of making those trips.
Well, casino motivations aside, you had fun and bottom line so far just ain't all that bad. Gasoline, an uncomped night, some meals. You had an excursion, some excitement and some potential for hitting a Royal Flush on the VP machine.
Be sure to let us know how that 3rd trip goes!
It happens.
>2nd Visit: The loss rebate of $ 400 was put on my card as Free Play.
Thats nice. I assume you use the Free Play however you desire, but since you like VP, that is most likely how you would use it.
>I played "their" money
>To Summarize: This is a GREAT deal.
Yeah, I guess it is. I'd prefer the First Trip you win 400 and they give you an additional 400 but it ain't likely to happen .. not ever! So this is about as close as you can come to getting something really good. Now we each know the casino's motive was to get you back there on that second trip and get you back there real soon. They want you to dig deeper into your pockets and they want you to do that digging promptly. They want you to get into the habit of making those trips.
Well, casino motivations aside, you had fun and bottom line so far just ain't all that bad. Gasoline, an uncomped night, some meals. You had an excursion, some excitement and some potential for hitting a Royal Flush on the VP machine.
Be sure to let us know how that 3rd trip goes!
January 20th, 2011 at 3:20:39 PM
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Quote: FleaStiff> Now we each know the casino's motive was to get you back there on that second trip and get you back there real soon. They want you to dig deeper into your pockets and they want you to do that digging promptly. They want you to get into the habit of making those trips.
Well, casino motivations aside, you had fun and bottom line so far just ain't all that bad. Gasoline, an uncomped night, some meals. You had an excursion, some excitement and some potential for hitting a Royal Flush on the VP machine.
Be sure to let us know how that 3rd trip goes!
Well what I wonder is:
....Is this Casino being so generous because they are doing so well, or because they are not doing very well ?
Because it is an Indian Casino, I'm not sure we'll have access to that info.
Or is it because they want the Chicago business, but they are the farthest from Chicago ?
Regardless, I'd say check it out before they change their minds !
There's emptiness behind their eyes
There's dust in all their hearts
They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
January 20th, 2011 at 4:34:11 PM
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Quote: JohnnyQWell what I wonder is:
Or is it because they want the Chicago business, but they are the farthest from Chicago ?
I vote that one
January 20th, 2011 at 5:22:48 PM
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Quote: JohnnyQWell what I wonder is:
....Is this Casino being so generous because they are doing so well, or because they are not doing very well ?
I think it is because they are doing well. Slot revenue is dependent on coin in, and keeping the volume of players up by introducing aggressive incentives to new players is one way to drive traffic. Hopefully, great word of mouth, like the positive reports here, will keep them coming back... with their friends and families.
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da Vinci
January 20th, 2011 at 6:49:06 PM
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Aye C:
Interesting article. Thanks for putting a link in to it !
Interesting article. Thanks for putting a link in to it !
There's emptiness behind their eyes
There's dust in all their hearts
They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:18:27 PM
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Headed back up this weekend so Mrs Q can play her
rebate. The free hotel night is good on weekends
pending room availability. I will keep calling from
time to time, figuring someone is going to cancel
at the last minute.
Otherwise, there are plenty of new hotels within
a few miles. We have a free certificate from
Hilton for going to a Timeshare pres'n in LV
this past summer.
rebate. The free hotel night is good on weekends
pending room availability. I will keep calling from
time to time, figuring someone is going to cancel
at the last minute.
Otherwise, there are plenty of new hotels within
a few miles. We have a free certificate from
Hilton for going to a Timeshare pres'n in LV
this past summer.
There's emptiness behind their eyes
There's dust in all their hearts
They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
February 14th, 2011 at 3:48:46 PM
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update:
We went back, drove through a snow storm, and ended
up there with the sun shining in the afternoon.
Mrs Q didn't hit a bid DW jackpot either, so I guess that
makes it Fourwinds 3, gamblers 0. Mrs Q lost a little more
than I had suggested as a loss limit, so I guess I'll
try to get a firmer agreement on that before our
next trip anywhere.
I enjoy learning the game, looking for the best
paytable, getting a good deal on a hotel room,
and trying to get as many comps from the
casino as you can. ( I was able to use the free
hotel night coupon from their mailer on my
previous trip ).
This loss rebate promo is still the best casino
promo I have ever seen. I assume it will be
around for a while, but who knows what the
Marketing Dept will do.
We went back, drove through a snow storm, and ended
up there with the sun shining in the afternoon.
Mrs Q didn't hit a bid DW jackpot either, so I guess that
makes it Fourwinds 3, gamblers 0. Mrs Q lost a little more
than I had suggested as a loss limit, so I guess I'll
try to get a firmer agreement on that before our
next trip anywhere.
I enjoy learning the game, looking for the best
paytable, getting a good deal on a hotel room,
and trying to get as many comps from the
casino as you can. ( I was able to use the free
hotel night coupon from their mailer on my
previous trip ).
This loss rebate promo is still the best casino
promo I have ever seen. I assume it will be
around for a while, but who knows what the
Marketing Dept will do.
There's emptiness behind their eyes
There's dust in all their hearts
They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
