Who should be the new Moderator
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48 members have voted
Quote: AxelWolfHonestly, I don't think so.
You seem to be a fairly even-keeled guy. You don't seem like the kind of person who will let your politics or emotions cloud your judgment.
I could be wrong, but I have a feeling we will see very few suspensions from you unless it's necessary.
Axel is saying you don’t have the balls to suspend, he’s insulting your manhood. Suspend him and prove a point, set an example.
Don't you have some tranny boys to attend to?Quote: PokerGrinderAxel is saying you don’t have the balls to suspend, he’s insulting your manhood. Suspend him and prove a point, set an example.
who's a mod, and I just can't do it. I was
a mod for awhile years ago on a gamblinjg
forum and it's a job
I wouldn't do again even if money were
involved. It's a position made for certain
types of people. I will not elaborate.
Quote: EvenBobI'm trying to imagine me caring less about
who's a mod, and I just can't do it. I was
a mod for awhile years ago on a gamblinjg
forum and it's a job
I wouldn't do again even if money were
involved. It's a position made for certain
types of people. I will not elaborate.
If you were on the list , I would’ve voted for you
Quote: NathanI won the popular vote in the Moderator poll and lost like Hillary Clinton did.
I can only hope that you realize the votes in your favor were most likely cast tongue in cheek, i.e. not as a sincere token of esteem and respect.
Anyway, I have a question about your avatar: does it depict you having put a bag over your head?
Quote: MrVI can only hope that you realize the votes in your favor were most likely cast tongue in cheek, i.e. not as a sincere token of esteem and respect.
Anyway, I have a question about your avatar: does it depict you having put a bag over your head?
That's the default profile pic for a female. Hair.
A bag. Really?
Nathan originally masked her identity by pretending she was a male; what other surprises might she have up her sleeve?
Anyway, it looks more like a bag to me than hair; guess I'll need to take a refresher course on avatar construction.
Thanks for the clarification.
Quote: EvenBobI'm trying to imagine me caring less . I will not elaborate.
thanks so very much for not elaborating
why don't you list for us all of the the many, many things you could care less about
I don't believe you. Nobody could possibly mistake that for anything other than:Quote: beachbumbabsThat's the default profile pic for a female. Hair.
A bag. Really?
Quote: MrVI can only hope that you realize the votes in your favor were most likely cast tongue in cheek, i.e. not as a sincere token of esteem and respect.
Anyway, I have a question about your avatar: does it depict you having put a bag over your head?
Why does everyone feel like it's okay to be mean to Nathan?
My vote was serious. I think everyone on here would be better off if they were a little more like her.
I don't have anything personally against Nathan, I just don't enjoy her posting. It almost seems as though she has a bet with someone/herself to post a new thread with low content every week. So if we're giving real opinions, no issues with Nathan on any kind of a personal level, I just mostly gloss over her posts/threads because none of them really hold a lot of value.Quote: FinsRuleWhy does everyone feel like it's okay to be mean to Nathan?
My vote was serious. I think everyone on here would be better off if they were a little more like her.
Quote: RomesI don't have anything personally against Nathan, I just don't enjoy her posting. It almost seems as though she has a bet with someone/herself to post a new thread with low content every week. So if we're giving real opinions, no issues with Nathan on any kind of a personal level, I just mostly gloss over her posts/threads because none of them really hold a lot of value.
That's a perfectly valid, rational opinion.
I just think some people (not you) like to pick on people who march to the beat of a different drum. I think we have come a long way in society, but there is obviously still a ways to go.
Quote: RomesI don't have anything personally against Nathan, I just don't enjoy her posting. It almost seems as though she has a bet with someone/herself to post a new thread with low content every week. So if we're giving real opinions, no issues with Nathan on any kind of a personal level, I just mostly gloss over her posts/threads because none of them really hold a lot of value.
Im sure we would all love every post to be nothing but added value content
Nathan seems to want to add this although she brings less than the average wov poster
Like television and cable and movies learn who are the talented players and pay more attention to them
This is an open forum and nathan is welcome in my book
I was serious with my vote
Quote: Whatever1deleted
It's called wanting to get more gambling answers from WOV members more than Google! ;)
Quote: darkozIm sure we would all love every post to be nothing but added value content
Nathan seems to want to add this although she brings less than the average wov poster
Like television and cable and movies learn who are the talented players and pay more attention to them
This is an open forum and nathan is welcome in my book
I was serious with my vote
Thanks for the sincere vote of confidence, Darkoz! :D Edit for post right below this one. Thanks for the sincere vote of confidence, Michael! :D
Quote: MrVI can only hope that you realize the votes in your favor were most likely cast tongue in cheek, i.e. not as a sincere token of esteem and respect.
Anyway, I have a question about your avatar: does it depict you having put a bag over your head?
I would urge you to not speak for anyone but yourself. My vote for Nathan as the new mod was 100% sincere. I think she would and possibly someday will be a good moderator here
Quote:Quote: deleted
Quote: NathanIt's called wanting to get more gambling answers from WOV members more than Google! ;)
Who or what are you quoting here? Or are you making stuff up that you think other people said?
Ok, I see there was a sock whose post got deleted by another mod. I'm going to delete mine and your quote to finish the job.
Quote: AxelWolfDon't you have some tranny boys to attend to?
Don’t be jealous Ax.
Quote: RomesI don't have anything personally against Nathan, I just don't enjoy her posting. It almost seems as though she has a bet with someone/herself to post a new thread with low content every week. So if we're giving real opinions, no issues with Nathan on any kind of a personal level, I just mostly gloss over her posts/threads because none of them really hold a lot of value.
This!
Nathan might be a nice person, but I find the contents of most of her posts to be vapid.
Mine probably are little better, but then again I didn't want to be a mod, either.
In my book a candidate should have at least a good understanding of the math involved in gambling and familiarity with most casino games in order to hold themselves up as a viable candidate for being a mod.
Quote: FinsRule
My vote was serious. I think everyone on here would be better off if they were a little more like her.
No offense, but you looked at this list of people and took it seriously? You've been here awhile and couldn't have missed that much.
Quote:Wizard of Nothing
Nathan
Ahigh
WatchMeWin
Buzzard
Dicesitter
AlanMendelson
Harley
JuicyJenny
MickeyCrimm
Quote: rxwineNo offense, but you looked at this list of people and took it seriously? You've been here awhile and couldn't have missed that much.
Point well taken
But i voted for nathan because i felt she might not make a bad mod
Not because the other ballot names were mostly ridiculous. I simply would not have voted otherwise
Can you give a list of legitimate reasons why Nathan would be a good Mod on WOV?Quote: darkozPoint well taken
But i voted for nathan because i felt she might not make a bad mod
Not because the other ballot names were mostly ridiculous. I simply would not have voted otherwise
Please keep in mind this isn't your everyday kitty cat forum.
FYI. ignorant bliss isn't a good qualification, just in case you were thinking it is.
Perhaps you too thought the candle promotion was a good deal, perhaps even better than double jackpots (-;
Quote: AxelWolfCan you give a list of legitimate reasons why Nathan would be a good Mod on WOV?
Please keep in mind this isn't your everyday kitty cat forum.
FYI. ignorant bliss isn't a good qualification, just in case you were thinking it is.
Perhaps you too thought the candle promotion was a good deal, perhaps even better than double jackpots (-;
I listed numerous reasons in previous posts in this very thread
So nothing good then.Quote: darkozI listed numerous reasons in previous posts in this very thread
Quote: AxelWolfSo nothing good then.
Based on what?
Your inability to scroll back a few pages?
My not wishing to waste time repeating the reasons?
Quote: MrVSame same.
Nathan might be a nice person, but I find the contents of most of her posts to be vapid.
Mine probably are little better, but then again I didn't want to be a mod, either.
In my book a candidate should have at least a good understanding the math involved in gambling and familiarity with most casino games in order to hold themselves up as a viable candidate for being a mod.
So the fact that you don’t enjoy the content of someone’s posts correlates to that person not being fit to be a good mod here?
Knowing the forum rules , being able to interpret them and apply them correctly , being fair , and just being active on the board a good amount of the time are what I feel are the necessary qualities.
Whether you find her posts interesting or not has zero to do with her ability to moderate the forum
Quote: sockdeleted
The irony coming from a guy whose permanently banned and doesnt go away
Nathan WON herself a stalker
Quote: darkoz
Nathan WON herself a stalker
I hope this story ends with a wedding.
PS... I want to live in a world where Nathan has moderator authority. Sincerely.
That sounds like a Personal Insult. I DEMAND A SUSPENSION!!!! J/K.Quote: darkoz
Your inability to scroll back a few pages?
No, it's based on your inability to provide some GOOD reasons.
Quote: AxelWolfThat sounds like a Personal Insult. I DEMAND A SUSPENSION!!!! J/K.
No, it's based on your inability to provide some GOOD reasons.
I provided good reasons
Are you asking me to make a duplicate post?
But nonetheless I felt I had to post this.
It is my understanding from various posts that the position of Moderator is 𝙪𝙣𝙥𝙖𝙞𝙙.
Why should that be so? WoV is 𝙣𝙤𝙩 a 𝙣𝙤𝙣-𝙥𝙧𝙤𝙛𝙞𝙩 organization. It's not a charitable organization.
Why would the ownership entities of WoV feel that they have the right to ask someone to perform work for free?
And why would someone agree to perform work for free?
Typically, interns at various businesses might do work for free when there is the perceived opportunity to develop contacts or skills that are likely to lead to a professional paid position in the future. But I don't see the position of Moderator as being in that category.
I work for free as a volunteer for a couple of different non-profit organizations.
But I would 𝙣𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙧 ever work for free for a for profit business unless I had a clear understanding of the strong likelihood of it leading to excellent future opportunities.
And that would not seem to be the case regarding the position of WoV Moderator.
It's all really mystifying to me.
Quote: lilredroosterI was a little bit reluctant to post this because I basically enjoy this forum and have no problem at all with the administration of it.
But nonetheless I felt I had to post this.
It is my understanding from various posts that the position of Moderator is 𝙪𝙣𝙥𝙖𝙞𝙙.
Why should that be so? WoV is 𝙣𝙤𝙩 a 𝙣𝙤𝙣-𝙥𝙧𝙤𝙛𝙞𝙩 organization. It's not a charitable organization.
Why would the ownership entities of WoV feel that they have the right to ask someone to perform work for free?
And why would someone agree to perform work for free?
Typically, interns at various businesses might do work for free when there is the perceived opportunity to develop contacts or skills that are likely to lead to a professional paid position in the future. But I don't see the position of Moderator as being in that category.
I work for free as a volunteer for a couple of different non-profit organizations.
But I would 𝙣𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙧 ever work for free for a for profit business unless I had a clear understanding of the strong likelihood of it leading to excellent future opportunities.
And that would not seem to be the case regarding the position of WoV Moderator.
It's all really mystifying to me.
Hmmmm. Well. In my particular case, I came to the forum in 2013 to learn about UTH strategy. Found the Inventors Corner and all its great archives, along with some very talented and knowledgable industry people.
I used what I learned here, and hired several people from here, to design and sell a game. In that same year, Mike asked me first to be a SA, and then a green, and I accepted both because I felt I owed him personally, and the forum in general, some payback. I knew he was operating at break-even or a loss, and so I did not ask for money.
When the site was sold, it crossed my mind to ask for compensation, but none was offered. So perhaps a good question, once circumstances changed, why that is, but I have all I need, so haven't really pursued it.
I do think the forum itself is not a revenue driver, and I don't think a bit of compensation would break the owners, but I'm also not privy to their numbers. It's possible, I suppose, that if they were required to pay us, they would either go without or shut it down. It's all a bit above my pay grade, and probably too late to expect any consideration.
Quote: lilredroosterI was a little bit reluctant to post this because I basically enjoy this forum and have no problem at all with the administration of it.
But nonetheless I felt I had to post this.
It is my understanding from various posts that the position of Moderator is 𝙪𝙣𝙥𝙖𝙞𝙙.
Why should that be so? WoV is 𝙣𝙤𝙩 a 𝙣𝙤𝙣-𝙥𝙧𝙤𝙛𝙞𝙩 organization. It's not a charitable organization.
Why would the ownership entities of WoV feel that they have the right to ask someone to perform work for free?
And why would someone agree to perform work for free?
Typically, interns at various businesses might do work for free when there is the perceived opportunity to develop contacts or skills that are likely to lead to a professional paid position in the future. But I don't see the position of Moderator as being in that category.
I work for free as a volunteer for a couple of different non-profit organizations.
But I would 𝙣𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙧 ever work for free for a for profit business unless I had a clear understanding of the strong likelihood of it leading to excellent future opportunities.
And that would not seem to be the case regarding the position of WoV Moderator.
It's all really mystifying to me.
Being green got you into the wedding event of the season. Money can't buy that.
A commercial entity provides a platform, and the community provides the users, most of the content, and the moderstors, almost always all unpaid.
The same practice here is not unusual at all.
Quote: lilredroosterI was a little bit reluctant to post this because I basically enjoy this forum and have no problem at all with the administration of it.
But nonetheless I felt I had to post this.
It is my understanding from various posts that the position of Moderator is 𝙪𝙣𝙥𝙖𝙞𝙙.
Why should that be so? WoV is 𝙣𝙤𝙩 a 𝙣𝙤𝙣-𝙥𝙧𝙤𝙛𝙞𝙩 organization. It's not a charitable organization.
Why would the ownership entities of WoV feel that they have the right to ask someone to perform work for free?
And why would someone agree to perform work for free?
Typically, interns at various businesses might do work for free when there is the perceived opportunity to develop contacts or skills that are likely to lead to a professional paid position in the future. But I don't see the position of Moderator as being in that category.
I work for free as a volunteer for a couple of different non-profit organizations.
But I would 𝙣𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙧 ever work for free for a for profit business unless I had a clear understanding of the strong likelihood of it leading to excellent future opportunities.
And that would not seem to be the case regarding the position of WoV Moderator.
It's all really mystifying to me.
So you’re telling us your the new secret mod.
Congrats. But this post was going a bit too far in the effort to try and cover up that promotion
Quote: lilredroosterI was a little bit reluctant to post this because I basically enjoy this forum and have no problem at all with the administration of it.
But nonetheless I felt I had to post this.
It is my understanding from various posts that the position of Moderator is 𝙪𝙣𝙥𝙖𝙞𝙙.
Why should that be so? WoV is 𝙣𝙤𝙩 a 𝙣𝙤𝙣-𝙥𝙧𝙤𝙛𝙞𝙩 organization. It's not a charitable organization.
Why would the ownership entities of WoV feel that they have the right to ask someone to perform work for free?
And why would someone agree to perform work for free?
Typically, interns at various businesses might do work for free when there is the perceived opportunity to develop contacts or skills that are likely to lead to a professional paid position in the future. But I don't see the position of Moderator as being in that category.
I work for free as a volunteer for a couple of different non-profit organizations.
But I would 𝙣𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙧 ever work for free for a for profit business unless I had a clear understanding of the strong likelihood of it leading to excellent future opportunities.
And that would not seem to be the case regarding the position of WoV Moderator.
It's all really mystifying to me.
We're finally in my area of expertise (besides horse racing). Labor law!
I think the moderators would have a chance at a lawsuit if they wanted. For-profit businesses in the US typically cannot have volunteers. All a moderator would really have to say is that when they became moderator, they assumed it was a minimum wage position. Then after a few weeks, they would ask for a paycheck. By that time, the site admin would probably be smart enough to fire them.
Could a moderator go back for years and years of back wages? Not sure, but I honestly think there's a decent chance of it.
I think to be completely safe, the forum would have to be more of a separate entity, run by a not-for-profit. But since the site was part of a sale, it's hard to argue the forum isn't part of that profitability.
I don't think the moderators could be made independent contractors.
I'm not a lawyer. I've been in HR for 15 years+ and took a few labor law classes.
If there is such a law prohibiting someone for volunteering, let's hope it can be changed!
Quote: SOOPOOThere is a flag button that each of us can use. If I click it, am I 'working' for the site?
I'm very sorry Doc but that's a ridiculous question and a terrible analogy.
If I pick up a discarded beer can on County property in the park and throw it in the trash am I working for the County?
Only special people can flag posts.Quote: SOOPOOThen call them 'greenies' and not moderators. There is a flag button that each of us can use. If I click it, am I 'working' for the site? When I start a new thread that will attract eyes to the site, am I 'working' for the site?
If there is such a law prohibiting someone for volunteering, let's hope it can be changed!
Quote: NathanFins, it could be argued that the people who expected pay should have researched the stipulations first before they accepted the Admin job. If they found out it was a non paying job, they could have walked away.
Short succinct and meaningful
You will gain other WOVers respect keeping this up
Although some have very long memories I have faith in you
Quote: NathanFins, it could be argued that the people who expected pay should have researched the stipulations first before they accepted the Admin job. If they found out it was a non paying job, they could have walked away.
You just said it yourself. Job. In the US, there is no such thing as a "non-paying job". The 13th amendment outlawed it.
You're allowed to volunteer. But at a for-profit company, there are very very very few instances when volunteers are allowed. Can I volunteer to cashier at Walgreens? No.
Quote: lilredroosterI'm very sorry Doc but that's a ridiculous question and a terrible analogy.
If I pick up a discarded beer can on County property in the park and throw it in the trash am I working for the County?
Exactly Rooster.
Do posters have expectations of how often they must post? No.
Do admins have expectations of looking at posts? Yes.
Can posters be fired from their position? No.
Can admins be fired from their position? Yes.
