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September 16th, 2016 at 4:26:25 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

It boggles my mind that anyone could be anti-education even a little bit, but it's an offshoot of the anti-intellectualism that has plagued the U.S. since at least the 1950s. The main argument seems to be that working in the "real world" is more valuable than studying in college.



I'll take a wild guess where some of this comes from. Often times you can have degreed new hires put into supervisory positions over people who may have years of experience in their job. (think of the stereotype battle axe secretary who has seen 5 bosses come and go and probably sees the same mistakes repeated again and again and just shakes her head in knowing disdain) The perception that someone is being bossed around by a higher paid clueless inexperienced supervisor is an easy perception to have in this case.

Of course, those people with years experience also probably started off just as clueless, or even worse if they had little background education in the area they work.
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September 16th, 2016 at 4:35:57 PM permalink
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Thanks for having respect for me. But you should have respect for the Woman's Studies Masters as well. That person completed a college degree in something, and then decided to continue learning more about a particular subject. My son (Son of SOOPOO) is deep into his PhD in entomology, the study of bugs.... I can assure you, the rigors of his program in many ways exceeds what I had to do to become an MD. AZ, I understand the concept that an advanced degree does not guarantee the 'smarts' needed to tackle every issue, but I never denigrate someone for putting in the time and effort to get that degree.



Entomology I get. I used to be a PCO and that was a job where you did not get the respect you deserved. One of the only jobs where you send people out to kill everyday. We had a cop gave us training once in how detectives will take what bugs are on a body to determine how long it has been there. This was years before Gil Grissom showed us how that works. Next to zero practical use for us, but boy, did everyone love it. We tried to get the same guy the next year but 9/11 happened and no NYC cop was given any time for any non-essential duties.

Which brings me to the Womans Studies degree. An advanced degree in that? Sorry, but I just cannot give high respect there. My general rule is if a course or degree program has "studies" in it then it is pretty useless. Of course, we all take some useless courses. You could have a course on some famous women, like Abagail Adams, who played a part in history behind the scenes. But a whole major, let alone an advanced program?

If that interests you, better ways to learn about it than drop six figures on two degrees. Parallel example. "Casino" is my favorite movie and as such I read most anything I can find on Rosenthal, Spilotro, and the Stardust. Does that get me anything besides personal satisfaction? Very little practical use. Womens Studies is really the same way. It is a hobby, not a degree program.

I actually talked online to a WS major once. I was bored and on indeed I was in the forums and some girl was asking advice. A few back and forth messages and she said she had a WS major. I asked why she took it and she said she liked the subject. She was a true faculty-lounge type as she wanted work in the non-profit sector. I asked why there and she could not answer. I tried some probing questions, no more luck. She also did not want to move or commute much. I finally wrote back and told her she needs to face the fact that she had a useless degree and was coming off like someone afraid of the real world.

That is how I see these fad degrees. Hang around campus until you are 30 to avoid real life.
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September 16th, 2016 at 4:49:21 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist



Do you unequivocally rule out a database on all Muslims, or do you support such a database?



I neither support it nor do I rule it out. Do you think the FBI and NSA do not keep similar databases on people or do you accept reality that they probably do?

Quote: MathExtremist

It boggles my mind that anyone could be anti-education even a little bit, but it's an offshoot of the anti-intellectualism that has plagued the U.S. since at least the 1950s. The main argument seems to be that working in the "real world" is more valuable than studying in college. It's a false dichotomy, of course -- studying in college makes working in the "real world" a more profitable endeavor, and it's not like time spent learning is somehow not "the real world."



No, it helps people who can leverage it. I have worked alongside multiple MBAs and attorneys stuck doing the same work I was doing. Aforementioned degrees with the word "studies" in them provide near zero leverage to more income. And lets not forget all the educated folks working at Barnes & Nobble.

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What I fail to comprehend is how so many people, especially in the Trump voter demographic (economically disadvantaged white non-college graduates), could complain about financial struggles and lack of job opportunities and, simultaneously, be proud of not having a college degree. Isn't it obvious that's *why* they're struggling financially? I mean, I get the squeeze that's happening to the under-educated in the job market: the unskilled labor jobs are going to folks who are willing to work for less (and the employers are sensibly hiring those laborers), while the skilled labor or white-collar jobs require college degrees. But the answer isn't to build a wall or denigrate people who went to college. That smacks of envy, not well-considered public policy.



You fail to comprehend it because the piece of paper is important to you. I have my degree but I still have more respect to the guy who broke his balls in the real world and did not let the lack of a degree stop him. The guy who did it in a world where they were always told, "GET YOUR DEGREE!" "Get a degree or you will not succeed.

Watch some Mike Rowe and you will understand where I am coming from. Knowing what I know now in today's market I would take a trade.
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September 16th, 2016 at 4:51:35 PM permalink
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I'm sure he will say Obama is a citizen, give himself credit for getting Obama to release his birth certificate in 2011, and blame Hillary for starting the birther movement (which is a lie that righties are increasingly starting to spread).



Looks like you would fit in perfectly in the lamestream media. They probably had the same idea, Trump owned them, made Hillary look bad to boot.
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September 16th, 2016 at 5:20:05 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Looks like you would fit in perfectly in the lamestream media. They probably had the same idea, Trump owned them, made Hillary look bad to boot.



What, by telling multiple lies? By not apologizing for years of smearing our President over dozens of examples? By saying he's going to hold a press conference about it, then refusing to answer questions about his lies, or any questions? That's owning them?

He looked like an absolute idiot, sounded like a petulant child, and his supporters should feel like fools for believing him. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice. ..won't. ..won't get fooled again. Quoting GWB, who.looks like a giant compared to this clown.
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September 16th, 2016 at 5:25:50 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

If I could get down a bet to fade Trump winning *and* passing his latest tax plan, I'd put several tens of thousands on it: I'd have the middle! Did you hear -- he wants to make all corporate profits taxed at 15%, including S corps which are used by solo consultants like me as pass-throughs. Currently I'm an LLC, but all I'd have to do is restructure my business and my tax rate would basically get cut in half.

I *want* Hillary to win, but if Trump wins at least I'll be able to cheer myself up with tax savings. It'll cover the tickets to Australia. :)


Console yourself. He wouldn't get to implement a fraction of his policies... thank fsck. If he wins, the markets crash and you won't be able to buy that ticket.
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September 16th, 2016 at 5:30:21 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

What, by telling multiple lies? By not apologizing for years of smearing our President over dozens of examples? By saying he's going to hold a press conference about it, then refusing to answer questions about his lies, or any questions? That's owning them?

He looked like an absolute idiot, sounded like a petulant child, and his supporters should feel like fools for believing him. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice. ..won't. ..won't get fooled again. Quoting GWB, who.looks like a giant compared to this clown.



Hmm, seems to me he baited them by saying it would be about the birther thing and he got loads of free press and TV coverage of respected military officers praising him. Yeah, that is owning them. The press thought they would see him self-destruct and he had them hold his beer while he made out with their girlfriend.

Don't worry, he will find ways to own them again several more times. He will call them and they will come and cover him because when he is on people tune in.
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September 16th, 2016 at 5:36:47 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Looks like you would fit in perfectly in the lamestream media. They probably had the same idea, Trump owned them, made Hillary look bad to boot.



Wow. You really must have had your head in the sand today.

Today was an awful day for the Trump campaign.
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September 16th, 2016 at 6:00:17 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Hmm, seems to me he baited them by saying it would be about the birther thing and he got loads of free press and TV coverage of respected military officers praising him. Yeah, that is owning them. The press thought they would see him self-destruct and he had them hold his beer while he made out with their girlfriend.

Don't worry, he will find ways to own them again several more times. He will call them and they will come and cover him because when he is on people tune in.



Really glad the vast majority of Americans are not the frat boy bully type who think this is acceptable bs from a Presidential candidate.
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September 16th, 2016 at 6:44:52 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Really glad the vast majority of Americans are not the frat boy bully type who think this is acceptable bs from a Presidential candidate.



Oh same can be said for Hillary. You just can't see it through your government employee muddled eyes. She doesn't care about me and sure as heck(^edit)doesn't care for some ex government employee who moderates a gambling board. But go ahead and think that.

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