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December 16th, 2018 at 5:44:02 AM permalink
Quote: WangSanJose

I thought using other's card only violate the rule, not the law.



Playing on another players card will probably violate the rule but not the law. If you withdraw any benefits such as free play or comps, you may be violating the law.
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December 16th, 2018 at 9:02:14 AM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

I regretted being so emotional almost immediately. Sucks it seems there could be bs precedence because someone winds up in kangaroo court. Really the zombies will echo these stories and public perception could change where people think these things are illegal and immoral when they're not. Just happened to notice a casino requiring the card swiped at a kiosk to redeem.

I can't be prosecuted because we use the same pins and have almost identical names, so oops, reasonable doubt. No matter what may be claimed, those cards are not property of the casino if I'm possessing them. I'm getting a little tired, so not sure how much sense I'm making, but will let this stand to protect whatever makes sense. Casinos are greedy and immoral using deception to make a buck more than anyone else and I won't forget that nor be convinced it untrue.



These are all valid defenses that your high priced attorney will happily explain to the jury at $500 an hour. You may not be found guilty but you most definitely can be prosecuted.
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December 16th, 2018 at 9:07:52 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

These are all valid defenses that your high priced attorney will happily explain to the jury at $500 an hour. You may not be found guilty but you most definitely can be prosecuted.



I would hope that someone caught using anothers' players card, assuming it was intentional, would be convicted of fraud. I mean really, is there anyone here actually saying that the intent is NOT to defraud the casino? Please.....
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December 16th, 2018 at 9:33:14 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I would hope that someone caught using anothers' players card, assuming it was intentional, would be convicted of fraud. I mean really, is there anyone here actually saying that the intent is NOT to defraud the casino? Please.....



If the casino sends(gives) me a $10 gift card, I'm not sure how me regifting it to someone is fraud? If I can buy a $100 Ruth Criss gift certificate from someone, why can't someone buy someone's comps. How are you defrauding the casino?
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December 16th, 2018 at 9:42:07 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

If the casino sends(gives) me a $10 gift card, I'm not sure how me regifting it to someone is fraud? If I can buy a $100 Ruth Criss gift certificate from someone, why can't someone buy someone's comps. How are you defrauding the casino?



If the gift card says $10, and that's it, then re gift it. If the gift card says "to be used only by billyryan", then to me that's fraud. When Ruth's Chris sells the gift certificate, they EXPECT it to be transferred to another person (usually). The reason comps are not for sale is simple. It is in the terms of the player's club that you sign up for and agree to abide by. I'm pretty sure all the clubs have terms like that.
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December 16th, 2018 at 9:42:24 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I would hope that someone caught using anothers' players card, assuming it was intentional, would be convicted of fraud. I mean really, is there anyone here actually saying that the intent is NOT to defraud the casino? Please.....

I hope you are assuming there is no permission given to use their card.

If not, then I think you are being crazy regarding this issue.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 16th, 2018 at 9:45:23 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I hope you are assuming there is no permission given to use their card.

If not, then I think you are being crazy regarding this issue.



Not crazy at all. There are terms of agreement when you sign up for a players card. I am pretty sure one of the simplest terms is that only you can use the card. If I am correct, then you cannot unilaterally decide to let someone else use your card. And you know that. Whether you choose to ignore that is up to you. Just don't get caught.

What would you say if I let someone who needed health care use my insurance card?
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December 16th, 2018 at 9:49:47 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

If the gift card says $10, and that's it, then re gift it. If the gift card says "to be used only by billyryan", then to me that's fraud. When Ruth's Chris sells the gift certificate, they EXPECT it to be transferred to another person (usually). The reason comps are not for sale is simple. It is in the terms of the player's club that you sign up for and agree to abide by. I'm pretty sure all the clubs have terms like that.

So then who should get in trouble? What if I never signed up for the players but I'm using someone else's card?

I didn't agree to the casinos player club terms.

I can't imagine the original card owner can get into any trouble especially if they are not even in the casino.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 16th, 2018 at 9:56:41 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Not crazy at all. There are terms of agreement when you sign up for a players card. I am pretty sure one of the simplest terms is that only you can use the card. If I am correct, then you cannot unilaterally decide to let someone else use your card. And you know that. Whether you choose to ignore that is up to you. Just don't get caught.

What would you say if I let someone who needed health care use my insurance card?



You need to work on your analogies.
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December 16th, 2018 at 2:13:42 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Not crazy at all. There are terms of agreement when you sign up for a players card. I am pretty sure one of the simplest terms is that only you can use the card. If I am correct, then you cannot unilaterally decide to let someone else use your card. And you know that. Whether you choose to ignore that is up to you. Just don't get caught.

What would you say if I let someone who needed health care use my insurance card?



Are a casino’s terms of service for players card use considered laws ? Or just casino rules ?

If the casino was that adamant about only the player whose card it is, using it, then why not require ID everytime someone uses their card for any reason ? Or why not put photos on the card like a DL ? At the 4 casinos I usually go to , I always need to show ID when buying something with the comp dollars on my players card.

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