DRich
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December 17th, 2018 at 2:49:42 PM permalink
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I am talking about criminal charges

They cannot pursue those



YES THEY CAN!!!

All they have to do is call the police and say that you committed fraud. They then just pursued legal action against you. Whether the District Attorney agrees or not, that doesn't change the fact that they pursed a criminal complaint against you.
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darkoz
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December 17th, 2018 at 3:03:17 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

YES THEY CAN!!!

All they have to do is call the police and say that you committed fraud. They then just pursued legal action against you. Whether the District Attorney agrees or not, that doesn't change the fact that they pursed a criminal complaint against you.



ARE YOU KIDDING!!!!

And when I sue them for malicious prosecution i will make a ton of money

They cant MAKE UP CHARGES. Under the law its not fraudulent

If they choose to make up charges they are doing criminality and trust me they will be pursued by anyone with half a brain to the fullest extent of the law

EDIT: a strange woman can say you raped her. So yeah anyone can pursue criminal charges against anyone if thats your point
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DRich
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December 17th, 2018 at 3:29:34 PM permalink
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EDIT: a strange woman can say you raped her. So yeah anyone can pursue criminal charges against anyone if thats your point



Exactly, and you said they couldn't.
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December 17th, 2018 at 3:37:55 PM permalink
And yet another possibly informative thread turns to krap. Thanks ,guys.
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darkoz
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December 17th, 2018 at 3:45:25 PM permalink
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And yet another possibly informative thread turns to krap. Thanks ,guys.



Sorry Bill

Its the era of Trump
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December 17th, 2018 at 3:52:36 PM permalink
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Amount of cards doesnt matter. If its not fraudulent to use one friends card its not fraudulent to use ten

I have been caught 3 times in 3 different states with other peoples cards in which I had downloaded offers. Said offers amounting to approximately $200-400 EACH card

One casino confiscated 10 cards
Another 8 cards
And one 24 players cards




Do you agree that the casinos are the legal owners of the players cards? Even if they were given to you by a friend/relative? If not, why did you let them confiscate (steal?) them from you? Am I missing something here?
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December 17th, 2018 at 4:00:45 PM permalink
Maybe one shouldn't be walking around with 24 different players cards on them. Imagine if you'd had a heart attack. They'd be notifying 24 families that their loved one might be dead.
I used to gather up lost cards, but once my collection filled a large shoe box, I stopped. Between them and my trunk of AOL discs, I figure my grand kids will go to college for free, long as its a state school with free tuition. I'd see a lot m ore "lost" cards in AC than I do here.
Why are the casinos the owners of the cards? Does it state that on the card? They own the system, but the card itself?
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darkoz
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December 17th, 2018 at 4:02:13 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Do you agree that the casinos are the legal owners of the players cards? Even if they were given to you by a friend/relative? If not, why did you let them confiscate (steal?) them from you? Am I missing something here?



They fall under the heading of Access Devices. Basically any card or other type of access a company allows you for access to their services (thats the official terminology on most lawbooks I have seen)

As such they have the right to request the return of said devices

However you have the right to allow someone to use it under the law

A credit card is a good example. If you allow someone to use your credit card for a purchase that person is not committing fraud nor identity theft. They have your permission to use it

Get it?

EDIT: there are specific laws for access devices but no specific laws for casino cards

I.E. whats legal for credit cards (you can allow a friend to use it) is the same for casino cards. They all fall under access device laws
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December 17th, 2018 at 4:10:57 PM permalink
If you "earned" free play based on past performance, I don't see an issue with giving it to someone else to play. If the casino is sending out money to try and get you to come back, I might see where it is intended for the original person only. Then again, how hard would it be for the casino to require free play to be activated by a staff member at guest services and ask for id. Instead, they send it out in a way that anyone with the pin can use it. It's a problem easily fixed if a casino sees it as being problematic.
My guess is such a small percentage of free play is used to begin with and the amount that is abused isn't worth any effort to fix.

Last month, I got a BOGO coupon from Blaze Pizza. It was on a postcard addressed to me and when I went to use it, they asked for my id. I was surprised, to say the least.
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December 17th, 2018 at 11:01:57 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

If you "earned" free play based on past performance, I don't see an issue with giving it to someone else to play. If the casino is sending out money to try and get you to come back, I might see where it is intended for the original person only. Then again, how hard would it be for the casino to require free play to be activated by a staff member at guest services and ask for id. Instead, they send it out in a way that anyone with the pin can use it. It's a problem easily fixed if a casino sees it as being problematic.
My guess is such a small percentage of free play is used to begin with and the amount that is abused isn't worth any effort to fix.

Last month, I got a BOGO coupon from Blaze Pizza. It was on a postcard addressed to me and when I went to use it, they asked for my id. I was surprised, to say the least.



Aside from small new membership offers almost all freeplay is based on past performance

Even welcome back offers and cross-promotional offers are driven by your past performance

A $10 player at ceasars may get $10 for Harrahs while a $100 player gets that same offer at the $100 level

Kind of like when you make a purchase at a rite-aid and get offers for discounts good at all their properties. You earned those regardless of only purchasing at a specific locale
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