darkoz
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July 13th, 2020 at 4:58:44 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

The Freeplay does not belong to the customer, it is the casinos money. I think that is where we may disagree. The casino is offering the freeplay to the player if they abide by the terms. If you collect it for them you MAY be committing fraud.



Freeplay is not money.

In fact it is in all casino promotional literature that the freeplay has "no cash value"

It also cannot be "converted to cash".

The key word is free.

The casino sends a mailer saying come down and collect free items. They cannot say they were robbed when those people accept the free items. Even if they sent a proxy to collect them

In essence the casino would have to declare they were defrauded of something. In this case they were defrauded of handing out FREE ITEMS!

The person whose name is on the card will testify they had no intention of gambling any cash. They intended to take the freeplay only and leave.

The mailer says that person is entitled to it.

The casinos only argument is they were defrauded of items they intended to give out for free anyway and the person it was intended for allowed someone else to pick it up

I should stress that ALL STATUTES REFERRING TO FRAUD describe monetary damages to determine the degree (first second, etc). The damages to the casino of items they intended to give out for free are zero because they, hmmm, intended them to be given for free
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AlanMendelson
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July 13th, 2020 at 6:18:18 PM permalink
Would someone please COPY AND PASTE any federal, state or local LAW or REGULATION which specifically mentions the ILLEGAL or UNLAWFUL use of casino players club cards.

I would like to see the wording of such a law or regulation.

I checked the Nevada state statutes (NRS) and found NO reference to any illegal or unlawful use of casino players club cards.

Thank you.
darkoz
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July 13th, 2020 at 6:27:08 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Would someone please COPY AND PASTE any federal, state or local LAW or REGULATION which specifically mentions the ILLEGAL or UNLAWFUL use of casino players club cards.

I would like to see the wording of such a law or regulation.

I checked the Nevada state statutes (NRS) and found NO reference to any illegal or unlawful use of casino players club cards.

Thank you.



That's because they generally fall under the blanket of access devices cards grouped with credit cards.

For using casino Players cards with permission of the named cardholder to be illegal it would also have to be illegal for you to hand your credit card to your best friend and allow him to pull money from the ATM with your permission
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ChumpChange
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July 13th, 2020 at 6:38:38 PM permalink
I freak out when my Player's Card goes missing. It's not like a slot machine is gonna tell me where I left it after someone walked off with it.
AlanMendelson
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July 13th, 2020 at 7:04:25 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

That's because they generally fall under the blanket of access devices cards grouped with credit cards.

For using casino Players cards with permission of the named cardholder to be illegal it would also have to be illegal for you to hand your credit card to your best friend and allow him to pull money from the ATM with your permission



When I read law, there are definitions of what's included. I didn't see a definition referring to casino players cards.

So I'm going to ask again. Can anyone copy and paste a law referring to the illegal or unlawful use of casino players club cards?

I'm asking because of an experience I had back in the 1980s when a businessman in Florida was convicted of a crime that never existed, because there was no such law that mentioned what he allegedly did. It was a complete fabrication but the fabrication wasn't dis covered until his lawyers presented an appeal and examined that the law he was charged violating did not include what he did.

So, who can copy and paste anything about the illegal or unlawful use of casino players club cards?

As I said, I can't find any mention of it in Nevada law. Nevada of all places.
darkoz
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July 13th, 2020 at 7:52:25 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

When I read law, there are definitions of what's included. I didn't see a definition referring to casino players cards.

So I'm going to ask again. Can anyone copy and paste a law referring to the illegal or unlawful use of casino players club cards?

I'm asking because of an experience I had back in the 1980s when a businessman in Florida was convicted of a crime that never existed, because there was no such law that mentioned what he allegedly did. It was a complete fabrication but the fabrication wasn't dis covered until his lawyers presented an appeal and examined that the law he was charged violating did not include what he did.

So, who can copy and paste anything about the illegal or unlawful use of casino players club cards?

As I said, I can't find any mention of it in Nevada law. Nevada of all places.



I don't see any mention of it either in Nevada.

As for unscrupulous DA's charging for non-existent crimes that can happen with anything anywhere
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