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MrV
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November 28th, 2011 at 10:49:06 PM permalink
*googles "problem of evil" on wiki; reads for ten seconds ... now an "internet expert."

Got it.
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progrocker
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November 29th, 2011 at 5:55:43 AM permalink
Wikipedia covers it about as well as an Intro to Phil course would. It really does take only about 10 seconds to understand, as it is summed up well right here:

If you want to delve deeper, the Standford encyclopedia is a good place:
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/evil/
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MrV
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November 29th, 2011 at 6:43:45 AM permalink
The Problem of Evil is just one small facet of the problem.

The question is: is our lifetime "IT?"

Is that all there is?

Assuming you answer in the affirmative, then: When and how was our universe created, and by what power?

No question that the issue is mind boggling, but that need not necessarily lead to an answer draped in superstition, i.e., default to "god."
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s2dbaker
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November 29th, 2011 at 11:09:15 AM permalink
I wish I could write like this: permission slip
Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, "Was that her?" and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, "That was her!" But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez
progrocker
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November 29th, 2011 at 2:13:51 PM permalink
Haha, reminds me of dontevenreply.com or that guy that tried to pay a bill with a spider drawing.
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Garnabby
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November 29th, 2011 at 4:35:23 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Personally, I would like for something other than string theory, but thus far it ain't happening.

There will always be new theories, that's the nature of theory, itself; and why those are never called other than theories. To that end, perhaps it would be better to seek the underlaying axiom (which then unifies but doesn't those theories, even the so-called wrong ones, which exist also, nonetheless.) I mean, to start with some simple form of such an axiom (which already unifies but doesn't those theories), to then progress toward its complex form (which still unifies but doesn't those theories, while having allowed for some space in which to do that work). Eg, to avoid the odd argument, "You can't get there from here."

And this, a glorified gambling message-board. You, a fairly-sharp guy, have to figure that you're putting your such questions to the wrong "bunch". It certainly doesn't appear to me that anyone here is quite-so inclined, as to just leave the "establishment" behind at some point, and get on with really trying to answer those. We have, apparently and loosely, a priest who supports the gambling industry; some scientists/philosophers who support it; as well as a few mathematicians. The "glorified" aspect of the thing as, of course, today's internet and news -providers conveniently cater to the real, and detailed, discussions of those sorts of fields. Today, eg, i heard that a lot of healthcare professionals have stopped using the word "overdose" because no amount of street-drugs, etc, is safe. (Maybe this is where the government-funded GA movement got it wrong, trying to pick and choose who has those problems?)

So, maybe what you're getting at here is some relationship between gambling, and the things discussed most-often around the home-game tables? Or the spiel of the upwardly-mobile casino-dealers, lol, trying to "grease up" the players?
Why bet at all, if you can be sure? Anyway, what constitutes a "good bet"? - The best slots-game in town; a sucker's edge; or some gray-area blackjack-stunts? (P.S. God doesn't even have to exist to be God.)
Mosca
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November 29th, 2011 at 6:13:13 PM permalink
Quote: progrocker

Haha, reminds me of dontevenreply.com or that guy that tried to pay a bill with a spider drawing.



Same guy.
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FrGamble
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November 29th, 2011 at 7:40:09 PM permalink
I think it is fair to say that the problem of evil is the greatest argument against a belief in God. However we have to make a few distinctions. There is an intellectual problem of evil - the rational explanation of how God and evil can co-exist. Then there is the emotional problem of evil - the emotional dislike of a God who would permit suffering. I think the harder problem for us to handle is the emotional problem of evil especially because the intellectual problem is not as simple or logically clear as Epicurus puts it.

You see the intellectual problem that obviously God cannot exist as all-powerful or all-good if there is such thing as evil has a hidden assumption that needs to be mentioned. The implicit suggestion in the above logical argument is that God cannot possibly have a morally sufficient reason for permitting evil in the world. If God did have a morally sufficient reason for allowing evil than He could not only exist but exist as an all-good and all-powerful being. So the problem of evil does not make the existence of God logically impossible.

By no means is the theist out of the woods by demonstrating that God is still possible in the face of evil, because the much stronger argument against God is that while logically possible the existence of evil that is permitted makes the idea that God has a good reason for allowing it highly improbable. This is where the emotional problem of God enters in. It is a longer discussion to figure this one out, but there is an answer that I believe is found in Jesus. The answer to the problem of evil is not even close to be answered by atheism. I'll close with a quote from William Lane Craig on the issue and a link to his site if you want to delve deeper into this issue:

"So paradoxically, even though the problem of evil is the greatest objection to the existence of God, at the end of the day God is the only solution to the problem of evil. If God does not exist, then we are lost without hope in a life filled with gratuitous and unredeemed suffering. God is the final answer to the problem of evil, for He redeems us from evil and takes us into the everlasting joy of an incommensurable good, fellowship with Himself. " Problem of Evil
EvenBob
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November 29th, 2011 at 7:42:27 PM permalink
Quote: FrGamble

I think it is fair to say that the problem of evil is the greatest argument against a belief in God.



Before I respond, I need to know what you consider
evil. It means different things to different people.
Please give a couple examples.
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MrV
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November 29th, 2011 at 8:52:55 PM permalink
Quote: FrGamble

If God does not exist, then we are lost without hope in a life filled with gratuitous and unredeemed suffering.



Not hardly.

"It was as if that great rush of anger had washed me clean, emptied me of hope, and, gazing up at the dark sky spangled with its signs and stars, for the first time, the first, I laid my heart open to the benign indifference of the universe. To feel it so like myself, indeed, so brotherly, made me realize that Id been happy, and that I was happy still."

--- Albert Camus



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