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NowTheSerpent
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November 4th, 2011 at 2:12:48 AM permalink
Quote: Scotty71

That is a prophetic vision.... seems odd that the original text included such a specific measure of time. I would think this was something added much later. But I am not smart enough to know when people started measuring hours and half hour. I cant imagine that G_D would measure time and for those in heaven for that matter. If the physical life is just a small part of our soul's existence time would really be meaningless.



"about (the space of) half an hour" is not all that specific.
NowTheSerpent
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November 4th, 2011 at 2:16:43 AM permalink
Doesn't the fact that "the good of the many outweighs the wants of one" mean that people are more important than God?
NowTheSerpent
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November 4th, 2011 at 2:19:30 AM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Isn't any religious belief better than none?



Isn't a rational or empirically sound explanation for a causality better than a superstitious one?
FleaStiff
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November 4th, 2011 at 3:39:44 AM permalink
Quote: NowTheSerpent

Isn't a rational or empirically sound explanation for a causality better than a superstitious one?

It probably is. I've not followed this thread, which supposedly is my thread, even though it started with an on-topic reply to another post that was not at all religious or anti-religious.

Religion seems based on fear, training and habits. As with most fears, fear of the unknown is the greatest. There is also the component of the unpreventable which is why we fear earthquakes and air crashes more than we should.

Religions are institutions and in many societies they hold sway over vast areas of society and various priests, ministers, shaman, etc. want power and want to protect their institutional power as it is entrenched in society.

People believe in strange things all the time. I know some people are utterly convinced in Multi Level Marketing schemes. It seems to me no better or worse than a belief in something that might be viewed as more religious in nature. Comparisons of virginal births to spontaneous consumption fall on deaf ears because all believers choose to close their ears to contrary evidence.

We teach little brats certain rules of behavior but we only live by them if we fear we might get caught. Health is better than wealth is often uttered but I hereby present you with a "virtual cartoon": Everyone is sitting around the lawyers office for the absolutely imaginary formal reading of the will. At the line "And to Harold who always said that Health Is Better Than Wealth, I leave my rowing machine". What do you think the expression on Harold's face is? How much do you think Harold got from his wife that night?
Sure honesty is the best policy. Any Enron executive will tell you that, particularly those that are rich and now the largest private land holder in the state of Colorado. Any recruiting officer will tell it to you too. Just about anyone will say it, but only the absolute idiots (Bible thumpers, Multi Level Marketing gurus, etc.) actually believe it.

Be they Old Wives Tales, Superstitions, Urban Legends, or Hollywood Rumors,,, people believe all sorts of nonsense. Throw in the mass media and you can easily get True Believers in such things as Facilitated Communication, Child Sexual Abuse in daycare centers, trafficking of White Slaves, Dimes for Polio, Dimes for Liberating Slaves in Africa, Public Transportation, Tenure for Teachers and Civil "Servants", Medical care for [African, Bangladesh, Jamaican, etc] Poor, Working Hard and Saving Your Money, Voting, etc.

I see little difference between these people who believe in the triumph of good over evil and those who were sending off One Hundred Dollars to get Wal Mart Gift Cards worth Two Hundred Dollars. It is a voluntary suspension of belief and suspension in all critical reasoning processes. Its the keno playing heroin addict who keeps playing keno and keeps doing heroin. Those who constantly thump Bibles are not going to stop thumping their Bibles. And those who are forever playing Keno are not going to stop playing Keno. Rational thinking is not part of the equation. It rarely is.
rxwine
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November 18th, 2011 at 9:43:59 PM permalink
If believing any old thing had real immediate consequences, maybe more people would be disinclined to do so.


Quote:

STATESVILLE, N.C. Authorities say a man who was waiting with several friends for a "ghost train" from a North Carolina legend was killed when a real train came down the tracks.

Iredell County Sheriff Phil Redmond says 29-year-old Christopher Kaiser of Charlotte was killed about 2:45 a.m. Friday as he waited with friends at a railroad trestle. Redmond says witnesses said about 12 people were on the trestle hoping to see a ghost train when the real train rounded a bend.

Everyone but Kaiser was able to clear the tracks at the end of the trestle. The train struck Kaiser, who was thrown into a ravine.

The legend developed from a train wreck on Aug. 27, 1891, that killed about two dozen people and injured many others. Folklore Web sites claim the accident can be heard on each anniversary.

Quasimodo? Does that name ring a bell?
EvenBob
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November 19th, 2011 at 2:02:20 AM permalink
Quote: rxwine

How many people consider the psychology of the conversion experience?



Conversions have to be followed up by almost
constant positive reinforcement. And even then,
most of the converted backslide. Conversion is
an illusion, but its fun while it lasts. Any church
service you go to is populated by 99.9% true
believers. In other words, those who were born
into it. They couldn't shake it if they wanted to..
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
boymimbo
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November 19th, 2011 at 6:51:09 AM permalink
I would say that probably 70% are true believers with the other 30% being married into it. I was born into a Lutheran family (my Dad converted into it), going to church every Sunday and partipating in Communion classes when I was in middle school. After that, my mother had a falling out with the church and my eyes were opened.

I've found that a great majority of people who are posting here (on the forum overall, not in this thread) are not believers. It's fair I think to say that organized religion has brought a great deal of joy into some people's lives and has brought a great deal of misery to a few. Can you state that the Catholic church should be destroyed because of a few bad priests? Can you forgive the Catholic church for the dark ages?

Some people require a belief that there is something beyond this world in order to live a fulfilled life, and that's something that I ascribe to. I think that without God in some people's lives, they would be living an aimless existence with no goals and no definition of what's truly right or wrong in the world. There are alot of people in this world who didn't have strong parents or a strong belief system until they found God. Think of all of the sporting heroes in this world who thank God for their success.

I'll be called on for personal weakness because I believe that there is a greater purpose on this world and that God is in my heart, despite the overwhelming lack of evidence to support my belief. You can be an athiest and live you life with purpose, drive, and goodness. After all, the presence of God in one's life can be an excuse for laziness (after all, life is eternal). At least if you're athiest, you know that you have one life and you gotta make the best of it.
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NowTheSerpent
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November 19th, 2011 at 8:58:11 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Just about anyone will say (health is better than wealth), but only the absolute idiots (Bible thumpers, Multi Level Marketing gurus, etc.) actually believe it.



By "Bible thumpers", I assume you only mean naive literalists?
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November 19th, 2011 at 9:27:51 AM permalink

"Poker sure is an easy game to beat if you have the roll to keep rebuying."
rxwine
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November 19th, 2011 at 11:35:04 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

At least if you're athiest, you know that you have one life and you gotta make the best of it.



I don't know how many atheists believe in life after death, but that's actually possible while remaining an atheist.

Most would argue it's more logical to adopt a consistent strategy for believing in things rather than decide willynilly what to believe.

But technically, you could still believe in an endless list of incredible things, since atheism is really only about deity belief (rejection or lack of)
Quasimodo? Does that name ring a bell?

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