Can the LDS president change church doctrine?
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My friend (who was African-American) and I were on the football team and our relationship hit a bad patch when I said that the only reason the Mormons changed their position to allow African-Americans into the Church was so that BYU could be a better football team.
Quote: FrGambleI think it is pretty clear in my understanding of Mormon Theology (which only comes from rooming with a Mormon in college) that they consider their leaders equivalent to prophets or apostles who can change Church doctrine.
My friend (who was African-American) and I were on the football team and our relationship hit a bad patch when I said that the only reason the Mormons changed their position to allow African-Americans into the Church was so that BYU could be a better football team.
This is hysterical, not least so because it's probably got at least a grain of truth in it.
In June of 1978, the LDS-owned Deseret News newspaper printed an announcement by the LDS First Presidency stating that God, by revelation, would now allow all worthy male members in the LDS Church to receive the priesthood as well as "blessings of the temple."
Quote: BuzzardClose Babs, very close. Several Churches in the 70's lost their tax-empt status due to be being racist. I worked with a Mormon couple, who could not be married in the Mormon Church. I was in Denver at the time and rumors were flying the Mormom church was next on the IRS hit list. Evidently God heard that rumor too.
In June of 1978, the LDS-owned Deseret News newspaper printed an announcement by the LDS First Presidency stating that God, by revelation, would now allow all worthy male members in the LDS Church to receive the priesthood as well as "blessings of the temple."
Correct, the mormon church only chnaged its' doctrine out of fear of having their tax exempt status revokded by the carter regime. The mormons are just like the various chritian denominations, greedy, cowardly, stupid, worthless and evil, hey hey.
Quote: hwccdealerIf I understand Mormon history, change is perfectly acceptable. In the dawn of Mormonism, for example, drinking alcohol was acceptable; now, it is not. Prohibitions against caffeine have also been loosened. So if these rules can be changed, there's no reason others cannot.
Back when the Mormon folks were migrating to the west,they drank alcoholic items to help sustain their health as well.Clean drinking water isn't always accessible,and back then they may not have known to boil the water either.In the Christian bible it does not say don't drink alcohol,it says dont be subject to much wine and deacons and pastors should refrain from it(preacher gets drunk and ruins it for everybody).
If it wasn't for booze we would have never made it through that western migrating process.
I assume this is why Mormons shouldn't drink now.
Quote: soxfanCorrect, the mormon church only chnaged its' doctrine out of fear of having their tax exempt status revokded by the carter regime. The mormons are just like the various chritian denominations, greedy, cowardly, stupid, worthless and evil, hey hey.
They are also the reason Boy Scouts banned gays. Up until the 1970s BSA allowed gays (and even said it was not authorized to have leaders tell scouts live their personal life), but then LDS became their biggest donor, under the stipulation that they ban gays and it is still the case (I don't know if they are still the top donor but they are up there).
But I don't think they are evil or even greedy. They donate to all sorts of things and even have massive welfare programs for their members. And all the Mormon I have met have been super nice. But I do think they have absurd social rules ( even if I were a religious person I could never be a Mormon as everything I enjoy doing is banned).
Quote: WizardOne of the many topics in that thread is whether the president of the LDS (Mormon) Church has the authority/ability to change church doctrine.
According to this information, changing Doctrine is on every occasion a three step process that requires the approval of the First Presidency, which is the Prophet and his two counselors, and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, and then the acceptance in a sustaining vote of the entire membership.
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Quote: TankoAccording to this information, changing Doctrine is on every occasion a three step process that requires the approval of the First Presidency, which is the Prophet and his two counselors, and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, and then the acceptance in a sustaining vote of the entire membership.
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Unfortunately, the guy who spawned this debate won't believe that. He likes to pick and choose his facts. *facepalm*
Quote: Beethoven9thQuote: TankoAccording to this information, changing Doctrine is on every occasion a three step process that requires the approval of the First Presidency, which is the Prophet and his two counselors, and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, and then the acceptance in a sustaining vote of the entire membership.
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Unfortunately, the guy who spawned this debate won't believe that. He likes to pick and choose his facts. *facepalm*
What the hell are you talking about that is basically the exact process I said was needed to change doctrine. I'll admit I didn't know that they needed a vote of the entire membership but I said First president and then the Quorum of Twelve. You argued that it could not be changed at all which is plainly wrong.
LOL!Quote: TwirdmanYou argued that it could not be changed at all which is plainly wrong.
More lies. *facepalm*
Quote: Beethoven9thLOL!
More lies. *facepalm*
You have room for growth in the emotional maturity aspect. Why even waste your time with this type of thing?
Quote: onenickelmiracleYou have room for growth in the emotional maturity aspect. Why even waste your time with this type of thing?
I've read some of your own posts. How's the view from that glass house?
Refer back to previous statement.Quote: Beethoven9thI've read some of your own posts. How's the view from that glass house?
And refer back to mine. Thank you!Quote: onenickelmiracleRefer back to previous statement.
BTW, did onenickelmiracle even read the whole "Duck Dynasty" thread???? It's hilarious how he states that I have "room for growth in the emotional maturity aspect", yet I was more patient in that thread than any other WoV member would have been. In that insane debate, I watched as the instigator continually switched subjects going from Duck Dynasty.....TO gay marriage.....TO interracial marriage.....TO Brigham Young.....TO Mormon Doctrine.....TO Catholic Doctrine.....TO abortion!!
Yes, we somehow got to abortion from Duck Dynasty!?!?! And it's all because I tried having an honest, legitimate debate (which most members would NOT have done with that particular person especially after all the subject changes).
So before guys like onenickelmiracle spout off about someone, they should read all the background posts to put everything into context.
Quote: TankoAccording to this information, changing Doctrine is on every occasion a three step process that requires the approval of the First Presidency, which is the Prophet and his two counselors, and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, and then the acceptance in a sustaining vote of the entire membership.
Doctrine
I believe Tanko to be correct…..I would only add that garments must be removed when changing doctrine.
