NJ to press ahead with sports betting in AC

New Jersey is going to forge ahead with setting up sports books in AC casinos with a goal of having them ready for bets to take place before the end of this year. This is despite Federal Law that limits sports betting to 4 states (Jersey not being one of them).

This will set up the legal challenge of the Federal law limiting sports betting. NJ expects to the Feds to bring them to court...Governor Chris Christie is welcoming that fight figuring that New Jersey will win (I agree with him).

Press of AC story:

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/communities/atlantic-city_pleasantville_brigantine/christie-in-atlantic-city-new-jersey-will-have-sports-betting/article_6725c9de-a5d8-11e1-92ae-0019bb2963f4.html

Doing it Jersey style...bring on the Feds!!!

cpm57 been there, done that, read the previous posts. Also check how to link properly wth format codes


https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/sports/9894-sports-betting-in-n-j/#post148860

Quote: cpm57

New Jersey is going to forge ahead with setting up sports books in AC casinos with a goal of having them ready for bets to take place before the end of this year. This is despite Federal Law that limits sports betting to 4 states (Jersey not being one of them).

Doing it Jersey style...bring on the Feds!!!

Seems it could be set up in a matter of days, not months?

Despite that, I don't think the world is ready to have legal sports betting on American sports so close to the big cities. This isn't London England and it isn't a game like soccer or cricket. The fans in the USA might in fact resort to violence, not just singing with glee like a bunch of whatevers. It will IMHO result in crime increases or worse, many deaths and destruction of the family structure.

Quote: NokTang

This isn't London England and it isn't a game like soccer or cricket. The fans in the USA might in fact resort to violence, not just singing with glee like a bunch of whatevers.

Seriously? If this isn't a troll you are severely misinformed.

Wikipedia List of Violent Spectator Incidents

There are a handful in the US but they're generally just between a couple of people, very minor and ejected from the stadium/arena immediately. In addition, they usually only occur in lower division play.

I've been part of the gameday crew for the Seattle Seahawks for over a decade now and have become good friends with the head security guys and the police. The worst things that have happened are DnD's (Drunk and Disorderly).

On the other hand, it seems like every year there's a major riot after a soccer game that leads to dozens (occasionally hundreds) of ejections if not arrests.

(This might be incorrect, heard it as a rumor)
Also, aren't fans separated during matches in Europe? Like, they try to have Manchester and Chelsea fans sitting in separate portions of the stadiums.

Quote: ahiromu

Seriously? If this isn't a troll you are severely misinformed.

Wikipedia List of Violent Spectator Incidents

There are a handful in the US but they're generally just between a couple of people, very minor and ejected from the stadium/arena immediately. In addition, they usually only occur in lower division play.

I've been part of the gameday crew for the Seattle Seahawks for over a decade now and have become good friends with the head security guys and the police. The worst things that have happened are DnD's (Drunk and Disorderly).

On the other hand, it seems like every year there's a major riot after a soccer game that leads to dozens (occasionally hundreds) of ejections if not arrests.

(This might be incorrect, heard it as a rumor)
Also, aren't fans separated during matches in Europe? Like, they try to have Manchester and Chelsea fans sitting in separate portions of the stadiums.

Not a "troll". That is Europe and soccer, and sports gambling is legal and has been for a long time. The topic was legal sports betting in Atlantic City. I just have a feeling it would lead to more betting on sports and knowing the North East culture can see the outcome being more violence. I didn't mean so much in the stands as perhaps in "bars" and as I mentioned, living rooms. Sorry if I confused you. It's just a discussion. In Las Vegas everyone is serious in the sports books but in general seems like a friendly place. I don't see that with the AC crowd. I could be very wrong?

We're going off of opinions so of course I could be wrong too, but I don't think that legal sports betting would change much of anything. Are those riots really caused by people losing a ton of money? I always just assumed it was because of the atmosphere.

Another way to put it: Do you think that if gambling was made illegal in Europe that the occasional civil unrest would be less frequent?

I'm sorry I just take offense to people that propagate the myth about the angry and violent American, which seemed like what you were doing. Especially when it pertains to the sports world, an environment that I'm very involved with. With the exception of (expletive) Oregon Ducks, Maryland and Ohio State fans, everyone over here is pretty well behaved at athletics events. I'm sure there are some more schools I could insult, but I'll leave it at that :).

There are always going to be people that resort to violence, but you just don't see the kind of group mentality in the US than you do in other parts of the world when it comes to the outcomes of athletic events.

Quote: ahiromu

There are always going to be people that resort to violence, but you just don't see the kind of group mentality in the US than you do in other parts of the world when it comes to the outcomes of athletic events.

Agree with you on the "group" aspect. FYI I'm a proud American, just live abroad in Asia and am returning soon. I've lost contact with the general atmosphere as gone some ten years now.

However, I remain of the opinion that I'm more upset if I lose money on a game than I am if "my team" loses. Perhaps I sank/rose? too far into the gambling aspects. I also spent a fair amount of time in the Atlantic City casinos and found the crowd much different than that of Las Vegas's casinos. I've been cursed out for throwing a 7 out at the crap table and tossed a $100.usd chip after a good long roll in Atlantic City. Neither has happened in Las Vegas. Point I guess being again, an uninformed opinion it is more (*&^&%$$ in terms of the typical gambler/crowd. This would trickle IMHO with legal sports betting. Blame on making bad/losing bet has to be placed somewhere other than on ones self.

Quote: cpm57

New Jersey is going to forge ahead with setting up sports books in AC casinos with a goal of having them ready for bets to take place before the end of this year. This is despite Federal Law that limits sports betting to 4 states (Jersey not being one of them).

Has anybody heard what (Dollar) Bill Bradley, the godfather of this problem, has to say about this state's rights rebellion?

Quote: cpm57

This will set up the legal challenge of the Federal law limiting sports betting. NJ expects to the Feds to bring them to court...Governor Chris Christie is welcoming that fight figuring that New Jersey will win (I agree with him).

Doing it Jersey style...bring on the Feds!!!

I think the Supremes would have grounds to strike down the federal law limiting betting to 4 states. Constitutionally, all states are supposed to be treated equally, allowing 4 states to have sports betting but not allowing the others to do so is clearly unequal treatment of the states. If the parlors were kept small enough they could even avoid being in interstate commerce and the feds would have no say anyways, constitutionally. Though that small would limit them to strip-mall locations of marginal profitibility.

Quote: cpm57

This will set up the legal challenge of the Federal law limiting sports betting. NJ expects to the Feds to bring them to court...Governor Chris Christie is welcoming that fight figuring that New Jersey will win (I agree with him).

Doing it Jersey style...bring on the Feds!!!

I think the Supremes would have grounds to strike down the federal law limiting betting to 4 states. Constitutionally, all states are supposed to be treated equally, allowing 4 states to have sports betting but not allowing the others to do so is clearly unequal treatment of the states. If the parlors were kept small enough they could even avoid being in interstate commerce and the feds would have no say anyways, constitutionally. Though that small would limit them to strip-mall locations of marginal profitibility.

Nobody has heard much of anything about sports betting (or even the promised marijuana stores). But the officials continue to muddle along, even as innocent people in the city are robbed, raped and caught in crossfire. Not to mention decades of the Boardwalk vagrants and the hordes of feral cats. Here is what they are still dithering about:

"Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:17 am
Associated Press
ATLANTIC CITY - A state Assembly panel on Wednesday will review efforts to improve public safety and cleanliness in Atlantic City's tourism district. The state is overseeing the efforts through a beefed up Casino Reinvestment Development Authority.
Their success or failure will go a long way toward determining whether New Jersey eventually allows casino gambling in the Meadowlands and other parts of the state. Gov. Chris Christie says the reforms need a few years to succeed.
Efforts so far include roving "Boardwalk ambassadors" to assist visitors, additional trash and recycling containers in public areas, and beefed-up sanitation sweeps.
The agency is also weighing numerous non-casino development proposals for Atlantic City."

I saw a couple Boardwalk ambassadors a few weeks ago screaming and swearing at two young kids for skateboarding. Nice job guys. Some of them think they're cops but they're just wannabes.