RonC
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April 22nd, 2011 at 5:17:56 PM permalink
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Wasn't it the liberal left that immediately (and incorrectly) attributed the horrid shooting in Arizona to "right wing" nastiness? Since they did that, my experience is that I have heard more hate coming out of the left than out of the right.



Giffords' Democratic colleague, Arizona Congressman Raul Grijalva, told Mother Jones magazine within hours after the rampage that the “political tone and tenor” created by Palin and the tea party movement had set the stage for the shooting.

Grijalva said Palin's “apparatus” had put Giffords' and his own life at risk.

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/gabrielle-giffords-Jared-Loughner/2011/01/09/id/382275
RonC
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April 22nd, 2011 at 5:38:49 PM permalink
Quote: Wavy70

Can you reference any mainstream candidate or politician on the "Left" that wants open boarders?



I did not reference politicians specifically because I did not have a reference to use for them though I know that many Texas democrats opposed the voter ID bill that was passed by the House...the vote was 101-48...

"The House tentatively approved the measure, 101-48. Republicans control the chamber, 101-49."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7488747.html

My point was not as much "who does what" as it was that the people on the extremes of BOTH SIDES don't necessarily want what is bets for the average everyday American citizen/legal resident. If you don't agree with that premise at all, I can't show you enough arguments either way. If you truly believe the most right-wing conservatives or the most left-wing progressives want what is best for the middle, so be it. I would say that I believe you are wrong. Just asking me to "prove" one side when I never mention politicians (though I might mention Soros on one side or Koch bros on the other side as "influencers" who support more extreme positions respectively) does nothing to challenge my initial premise.
Wavy70
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April 22nd, 2011 at 9:04:52 PM permalink
Quote: RonC

I did not reference politicians specifically because I did not have a reference to use for them though I know that many Texas democrats opposed the voter ID bill that was passed by the House...the vote was 101-48...

"The House tentatively approved the measure, 101-48. Republicans control the chamber, 101-49."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7488747.html

My point was not as much "who does what" as it was that the people on the extremes of BOTH SIDES don't necessarily want what is bets for the average everyday American citizen/legal resident. If you don't agree with that premise at all, I can't show you enough arguments either way. If you truly believe the most right-wing conservatives or the most left-wing progressives want what is best for the middle, so be it. I would say that I believe you are wrong. Just asking me to "prove" one side when I never mention politicians (though I might mention Soros on one side or Koch bros on the other side as "influencers" who support more extreme positions respectively).



Can't really comment on TX Voter Bill but if like most things in Texas without stimulus money it would have failed. I was just wondering which Liberal candidate was calling for open boarders.
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April 23rd, 2011 at 7:18:43 AM permalink
Quote: RonC

Giffords' Democratic colleague, Arizona Congressman Raul Grijalva, told Mother Jones magazine within hours after the rampage that the “political tone and tenor” created by Palin and the tea party movement had set the stage for the shooting.

Grijalva said Palin's “apparatus” had put Giffords' and his own life at risk.

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/gabrielle-giffords-Jared-Loughner/2011/01/09/id/382275

You're linking to NewsMax. Nothing further need be said.
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April 23rd, 2011 at 7:45:46 AM permalink
It's all vitreous crap.

People on the deep right exclaim, "Obama wasn't born here!" and "Obama's a muslim". And I am sure that I will get some folks on this forum to back it up with deeply right-winged stories. Just a easily, people on the deep left will exclaim, "George Bush stole the presidency" and "9-11 was a right-winged conspiracy!". All of it is a bunch of hogwash hooey which take away from the work that needs to be done on both sides of the house. Every time I hear these arguments (on both sides) I just turn the channel and don't listen. It's all nonsense, and I think it's hypocritical for a democrat to say that the 2000 election was thrown to criticize a republican who claims that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii and vice versa (to criticize a democrat who thinks that 9/11 was a conspiracy yet claim that Obama is a Muslim). Back it up with evidence, please: photos of Obama making prayer 4 times a day; proof that it was explosives that brought down the World Trade Centers; Obama's birth certificate in Kenya; documentation showing a Bush associate telling the supreme court to throw the election.

As for Trump, he's not a casino expert, that is for sure. He loves buildings and being famous. Trump Marina is now Landry's Golden Nugget. The other two AC casinos are now operated by Mark Lasry and the Avenue Capital Group. He's had problems with the Trump property. As far as I am concerned, he followed the laws of the country and declared bankruptcy legally. Many companies declare bankruptcy and reorganize and come out better. If Trump owned oh, saw, United Airlines, would you preclude him from running because the airline industry went bust?

What makes Trump so attractive as a presidential candidate is that he is already well known, speaks well, and most importantly, does not have a political past. He is generating buzz where as the other candidates do not have the charisma to go toe-to-toe with Obama. Becoming president is a popularity contest. It's not about brains or records or anything. It's about popularity and charisma and proposed policies (whether possible or not). The past can be forgiven. Trump's a viable candidate. Don't underestimate him. The question is, will Trump run? Will he abandon his name and the control of his companies to run?

And will he command any support at the convention? That's where I think he'll have trouble.
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April 23rd, 2011 at 8:07:08 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

As for Trump, he's not a casino expert, that is for sure. He loves buildings and being famous.



Not to mention he built much of his fortune by getting politicians to make use of eminent domain takings. It's a lot easier to make money if you don't pay full price for the land you're developing.

And if something should hurt him politically, that will be it.
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Wavy70
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April 23rd, 2011 at 11:27:00 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

It's all vitreous crap.

What makes Trump so attractive as a presidential candidate is that he is already well known, speaks well, and most importantly, does not have a political past.



Well aside from the time he "Ran" as a Democrat for president and the time he "Ran" as an independent for president.
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Wavy70
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April 23rd, 2011 at 11:28:52 AM permalink
Quote: s2dbaker

You're linking to NewsMax. Nothing further need be said.



Newsmax is fun. If you can imagine the story that is enough sourcing for Newsmax
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April 23rd, 2011 at 11:45:41 AM permalink
Quote: RonC

Wasn't it the liberal left that immediately (and incorrectly) attributed the horrid shooting in Arizona to "right wing" nastiness? Since they did that, my experience is that I have heard more hate coming out of the left than out of the right.



I know there were people right here on WoV who blamed Sarah Palin for the whole thing.

Obama felt the need to make a speech calling for "more civil discussion" or whatever. However, he was curiously silent when pols on the left accused the GOP of wanting to kill women, throw old people on the street, etc last month.
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April 23rd, 2011 at 2:09:53 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

I know there were people right here on WoV who blamed Sarah Palin for the whole thing.

Obama felt the need to make a speech calling for "nore civil discussion" or whatever. However, he was curiously silent when pols on the left accused the GOP of wanting to kill women, throw old people on the street, etc last month.

Did you get that from NewsMax too? It's not difficult to see why they would get a story so wrong what with their continuing exhaustive searches for Barry HUSSEIN Obummer's birth certificate in Tanzania or wherever he was supposed to have been born.
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