Epstein - Suicide or Not Suicide
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WHY?
Quote: bobbartopTaken off of suicide watch.
WHY?
In the Godfather movie, all the police
guards at the hospital guarding the
shot Godfather were ordered down.
Why. They wanted the Godfather
killed. Epstein was taken off suicide
watch because Bill Clinton and the
other high power Dems wanted him
dead for obvious reasons.
Quote: rxwineIf they followed an established protocol, then the only issue will be a review. If they didn't... then maybe there is something more interesting. At the very least, incompetence.
On July 23 they found him semiconscious with marks on his neck. Thinking that it MIGHT have been a suicide attempt, they put him on watch 24/7. Then, remarkably, on the 29th, they took him OFF suicide watch and put him back in the special housing unit.
Let's put it this way. Who might be HAPPY that he's dead?
Quote: EvenBobIn the Godfather movie, all the police
guards at the hospital guarding the
shot Godfather were ordered down.
Why. They wanted the Godfather
killed. Epstein was taken off suicide
watch because Bill Clinton and the
other high power Dems wanted him
dead for obvious reasons.
I'm not so sure the list of people who wanted him dead is confined to only democrats. I wouldn't say that at all.
Quote: bobbartopI'm not so sure the list of people who wanted him dead is confined to only democrats. I wouldn't say that at all.
Overwhelmingly, it is. Trump was smart
15 years ago in seeing what bad news
Epstein was. Now I'm reading that they
don't really know where all his money
came from. They can't find a client list
of his anywhere.
Quote: bobbartopLet's put it this way. Who might be HAPPY that he's dead?
If Epstein hadn't squirreled away incriminating evidence long before he got picked up this time, it would make no difference anyway. Because with all that time in between he had plenty of time to plan for various eventualities. I'm pretty sure he didn't blackmail someone with an agreement to kill him as part of his protection plan.
Quote: EvenBobOverwhelmingly, it is. Trump was smart
15 years ago in seeing what bad news
Epstein was. Now I'm reading that they
don't really know where all his money
came from. They can't find a client list
of his anywhere.
I will give you "overwhelmingly", but there is certainly such a thing as a pervert with an R by his name. The fact is, there's got to be hundreds of powerful perverts who are now breathing a sigh of relief.
I would say that if we suddenly see Fake News start driving at how certain they are that it was suicide and that anyone who questions the story is a "conspiracy theorist", then I will be convinced that it was NOT suicide.
Quote: rxwineIf Epstein hadn't squirreled away incriminating evidence long before he got picked up this time, it would make no difference anyway. Because with all that time in between he had plenty of time to plan for various eventualities. I'm pretty sure he didn't blackmail someone with an agreement to kill him as part of his protection plan.
Even if he DID kill himself, why the decision to take him off suicide watch? Who reviewed or examined him and CLEARED him? It stinks.
It is worth pointing out, however, that these high profile psychopaths kill themselves all the time when they are caught. Aaron Hernandez, Isreal Keys, Harold Shipman, Teddy K (attempted), and others.
I am guessing again, but perhaps they see human life as having no real value except as a source of gratification and that extends to themselves. When the party is over, they have the capacity to just turn out the lights.
It remains extremely fishy that he would be left unmonitored with the tools for the job when everybody has been predicting that this would happen all over the place, AND he already had one supposed suicide attempted.
Quote: Rigondeaux
It remains extremely fishy that he would be left unmonitored with the tools for the job when everybody has been predicting that this would happen all over the place, AND he already had one supposed suicide attempted.
The possibility that there was no illegal foul play, but just enough barely legal neglect to make it possible for him to off himself seems the most likely alternate scenario to me.
first of all - if it was anybody with even a modicum of intelligence they would know that the suicide is going to cause even more investigation and it will cause all of these previously unreleased documents to come to light
any big player contemplating such a thing would know that
the death did not all close the issues surrounding Epstein
the issues are going to get tremendous news coverage for a long time
again - the people who could gain by staying hidden because of his death are not stupid - they know this stuff is not going away
if the Clintons had anything to do with something like this they should be severely punished -
but without any proof at all it's just slander - slander from the right the same as the Vince Foster suicide caused the Clintons to be slandered - never any proof Clinton was involved - the murder of Seth Rich in DC - he was a Clinton campaign worker spawned similar conspiracy theories - never any proof - all BS from the alt right
deep state conspiracy theories are a main part of the alt right's playbook with BS artists like Alex Jones leading the way and T and others urging them on
if the slanderous people were themselves slandered or if a member of their families were slandered they would be screaming bloody murder
deaths have occured around the associates of many high powered people - whether or not they get slandered depends on how much they are hated and feared by their political opponents
Quote: lilredroosterdon't buy the conspiracy BS at all
It's been barely a day since he died and you already know that there is no conspiracy. You must be really smart. Not only are you sure there is no conspiracy, you're even sure that there is no conspiracy "bullsh*t".
the determination of possible suicide seemed unfounded, more likely a fightQuote: bobbartopEven if he DID kill himself, why the decision to take him off suicide watch? Who reviewed or examined him and CLEARED him? It stinks.
he chose the only 'bail' available to him and so avoided years of no luxuries and no amiable fifteen year old girls.
reporters using phrases like dark secrets and sexual abuse
Quote: rxwineThe possibility that there was no illegal foul play, but just enough barely legal neglect to make it possible for him to off himself seems the most likely alternate scenario to me.
That sounds plausible. Of course, if that is what happened, then there was a conspiracy.
Quote: bobbartopIt's been barely a day since he died and you already know that there is no conspiracy.
I need to proof to imply a conspiracy is out there - I need to see some evidence to speculate
I just don't go running my mouth about conspiracies anytime something happens like you do
show me real evidence not BS speculation like with Vince Foster and Seth Rich and I'll change my tune
the guilty should be punished - but the innocent should not be slandered with BS like what constantly comes from your posts
I'm estimating that at any given time you're working on at least 10 or 15 conspiracies
I'm outta here - I'll let the conspiracy theorists finish up the thread chasing ghosts
Quote: lilredrooster
I'm outta here - I'll let the conspiracy theorists finish up the thread chasing ghosts
Yeah, please, gtfo. Mister Objective. One day and he already knows it all.
Quote: lilredroosterdon't buy the conspiracy BS at all
first of all - if it was anybody with even a modicum of intelligence they would know that the suicide is going to cause even more investigation and it will cause all of these previously unreleased documents to come to light
any big player contemplating such a thing would know that
the death did not all close the issues surrounding Epstein
the issues are going to get tremendous news coverage for a long time
again - the people who could gain by staying hidden because of his death are not stupid - they know this stuff is not going away
if the Clintons had anything to do with something like this they should be severely punished -
but without any proof at all it's just slander - slander from the right the same as the Vince Foster suicide caused the Clintons to be slandered - never any proof Clinton was involved - the murder of Seth Rich in DC - he was a Clinton campaign worker spawned similar conspiracy theories - never any proof - all BS from the alt right
deep state conspiracy theories are a main part of the alt right's playbook with BS artists like Alex Jones leading the way and T and others urging them on
if the slanderous people were themselves slandered or if a member of their families were slandered they would be screaming bloody murder
deaths have occured around the associates of many high powered people - whether or not they get slandered depends on how much they are hated and feared by their political opponents
It sure is a mighty coincidence that all these people the Clintons want dead all committed "suicide".
Quote: bobbartopYeah, please, gtfo. Mister Objective. One day and he already knows it all.
just one last thought - I'm not a Bible thumper and I'm not even a religious person but I do like this one:
Leviticus 19:16.........................."You shall not go around as a slanderer among your people"
a guy who was in that section of
cells half a dozen times. He says
no way Epstein hanged himself as
there is nothing to hang from.
High ceiling but it's smooth, not even
a light fixture. No bars on the doors.
Blankets are very thin and are made
to shred if pressure is put on them.
The cells are designed to be suicide
proof.
Quote: lilredroosterI'm not a Bible thumper and I'm not even a religious person but
Are you apologizing?
Quote: RSIt sure is a mighty coincidence that all these people the Clintons want dead all committed "suicide".
you were the guy making all kinds of wild, slanderous speculations about the Vegas shooter who killed 58 - speculating he was left wing
Quote: lilredroosteryou were the guy making all kinds of wild, slanderous speculations about the Vegas shooter who killed 58 - speculating he was left wing
Show the link, or stfu.
Quote: bobbartopShow the link, or stfu.
I don't take orders from you..............................not in this lifetime
RS knows what I said is true
Quote: EvenBobRead an article where they talked to
a guy who was in that section of
cells half a dozen times. He says
no way Epstein hanged himself as
there is nothing to hang from.
High ceiling but it's smooth, not even
a light fixture. No bars on the doors.
Blankets are very thin and are made
to shred if pressure is put on them.
The cells are designed to be suicide
proof.
An hour after his death, trending on Twitter was the hashtag "ClintonBodyCount". By noon, it was mentioned over 84,000 times. Whether true or not, it's apparent that more and more people now do not believe the "official" narrative.
Quote: lilredroosterI don't take orders from you..............................not in this lifetime
RS knows what I said is true
Show the link or you are a liar. And a slanderer.
Quote: bobbartopAn hour after his death,
why don't you entertain everybody by listing all the conspiracies you are currently investigating?
I'm betting it's at least 15
"you were the guy making all kinds of wild, slanderous speculations about the Vegas shooter who killed 58 - speculating he was left wing"
-- quote by lilredrooster, accusing ME.
Quote: lilredroosterwhy don't you entertain everybody by listing all the conspiracies you are currently investigating?
I'm betting it's at least 15
Don't change the subject. You made an accusation against me, and now I want you to back it up. I will ask the mods to press the matter.
Quote: bobbartopYou need to back this up. I'm sure the mods will catch up to this thread any moment now. You made an accusation against me. Now you need to back it up.
"you were the guy making all kinds of wild, slanderous speculations about the Vegas shooter who killed 58 - speculating he was left wing"
-- quote by lilredrooster, accusing ME.
you need to open your eyes - the quote referred to RS - not you
you can get the mods after me - you don't scare me buddy
Quote: lilredroosteryou were the guy making all kinds of wild, slanderous speculations about the Vegas shooter who killed 58 - speculating he was left wing
Wait a minute. Who are you talking to? Me? Or RS?
Quote: bobbartopWait a minute. Who are you talking to? Me? Or RS?
come on man - I quoted RS in the quote you referred to
I re-posted it to show you that
what else would you like me to do?
Quote: lilredroostercome on man - I quoted RS in the quote
I re-posted it to show you that
what else would you like me to do?
Why didn't you just correct me on the spot? Obviously I was wrong and confused. My mistake.
Quote: bobbartopWhy didn't you just correct me on the spot? Obviously I was wrong and confused. My mistake.
no problem
you acknowledged your mistake - I respect you for that -
Guards failed to conduct mandatory checks.
Most likely on their phones and watching zombie movies the entire night.
"You was supposed to be doing the check man." "Not me, I was on my break." "No you wasn't. I was on my break". "Okay, how we gonna write this s%#t up man?" Both: "Sheee"
To be fair, you should actually quote RS. And while you're at it please go over to Anthony Curtis site and correct him for claiming that guy was an advantage player.Quote: lilredroosterno problem
you acknowledged your mistake - I respect you for that -
Too many powerful Mar-A-Lago visitors wanted him dead.
Quote: ams288I voted Not Suicide.
Too many powerful Mar-A-Lago visitors wanted him dead.
I'd bet you the odds of it being Clinton related are much greater than it being Trump related. Only someone with TDS would think the opposite.
Quote: SOOPOOI'd bet you the odds of it being Clinton related are much greater than it being Trump related.
Only someone with CDS would say this.
Quote: lilredroosterdon't buy the conspiracy BS at all
first of all - if it was anybody with even a modicum of intelligence they would know that the suicide is going to cause even more investigation and it will cause all of these previously unreleased documents to come to light
any big player contemplating such a thing would know that
Hmmm, if I told you a major car manufacturer purposefully rigged emissions tests in order to violate US emissions regulations you and I would probably agree it was highly unlikely anyone of any intelligence running a major corporation would believe they could get away with it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal
Or perhaps major players with intelligence believe BECAUSE they are so rich and powerful they can cover up and succeed with such plans.
Most inmates say they "thought they were gonna get away with it". Being rich does not change your way of thinking about your chances of success in criminality. In fact it probably heightens it. (Look at Cosby, Jared, or Simpson)
Quote: SOOPOOI'd bet you the odds of it being Clinton related are much greater than it being Trump related. Only someone with TDS would think the opposite.
You do know that ,as far as any public records show, Clinton used Epsteins jet for charity work. That ,as far as records show, Clinton never visited the notorious island, and that it was Donny who arranged a private party with just he and "Epi" and twentyzomething "showgirl type models".
Once again, the man who claims to detest trump is somehow supporting him, with absolutely no evidence to show. Just another hunch,eh?
Quote: lilredroosteryou were the guy making all kinds of wild, slanderous speculations about the Vegas shooter who killed 58 - speculating he was left wing
He killed 59, btw. And no, I didn't slander anyone. But it's kinda funny that you'd think being called a "left wing" is slanderous. I've read enough of your posts to not really care what your opinion is of me. Sorry!
Let's get this thread back on track:
Quote: bobbartopYou need to back this up. I'm sure the mods will catch up to this thread any moment now. You made an accusation against me. Now you need to back it up.
"you were the guy making all kinds of wild, slanderous speculations about the Vegas shooter who killed 58 - speculating he was left wing"
-- quote by lilredrooster, accusing ME.
Haven't finished reading this thread, but.
You're incorrect. He said that to RS, not you. He quoted RS. And yes, RS did make a post or 3 in that vein at the time. So that was correct.
And no, I'm not going to find a link to that thread for you.
Now let's see what else got thrown into the stew here.
Edit: nice job, both of you, figuring out the miscommunication.
Convenient of you to "overlook" the affidavits and charges against Trump and Epstein by the (then) 13 yo who swore Epstein gave her to Trump at a sex party, Trump raped her, Epstein raped her and had a fight with Trump over him getting her first, and her seeing Trump at 4 specific sex parties of Epstein's.
Withdrawing the lawsuit later does not mean it didn't happen.
The Trump campaign was not happy about the video showing Epstein and Trump looking over his girls. Epstein was a known extortionist of his many clients in whatever way he could get over on them. Trump has raised over 240 M from very rich people who want him reelected.
Qui Bono from Epstein's death? Clinton, who's out of public life and can't be President again? Hillary, who isn't running and is out of public life?
Trump, who has everything to lose if evidence of his Epstein orgies exists?
No wonder the conspiracy people are going ham on the Clintons.
NSFW details of the lawsuit's contents. You might not like vox as a source, but they're just reporting the information that was in the affidavits.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/3/13501364/trump-rape-13-year-old-lawsuit-katie-johnson-allegation
I’d say that it appears that this one crosses all party lines, and all international lines: Epstein lived up to his end of a sordid bargain. Essentially, the calculation is that the collateral damage of Epstein killing himself, regardless of how it is perceived or investigated, is less damaging that a trial would be. Whatever actually gets exposed will be 1/50th of what would have been exposed, but now there can be reasons for letting it peter out. Some minor heads will roll, and international order will be maintained. Let’s not forget that Trump and the Clintons were all buddy-buddy for years, when it served them both to be. And that’s just two people. Dershowitz, Prince Philip, senators and congressmen, international businessmen and politicians, ambassadors... and let’s not get partisan, this crosses administrations, parties, borders and oceans. Epstein was pimp to the 1% of the 1%. Not just a pimp; the best pimp. The private island guy. The one with the jets and the helicopters and the discreet connections and the young girls who were overwhelmed by the power and the lifestyle.
We are playthings for these people. Republican? Democrat? Socialist? Communist, Fascist? Doesn’t matter when it comes to preserving their wealth and power. The wagons get circled. Epstein decided he would rather die in the circle than live outside of it. Some arrangements were made, and it happened, and the planet rotates and revolves.
Quote: beachbumbabs
Edit: nice job, both of you, figuring out the miscommunication.
Yeah, sorry 'bout that, I screwed up.
Quote: billryanYou do know that ,as far as any public records show, Clinton used Epsteins jet for charity work. That ,as far as records show, Clinton never visited the notorious island, and that it was Donny who arranged a private party with just he and "Epi" and twentyzomething "showgirl type models".
Once again, the man who claims to detest trump is somehow supporting him, with absolutely no evidence to show. Just another hunch,eh?
How can a person get it wrong so many times? I think $1 Ribeyes are definitely responsible for some damage in this world.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/flight-logs-show-bill-clinton-flew-on-sex-offenders-jet-much-more-than-previously-known
