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Quote: AZDuffmanPerhaps the threads should be closed?
Perhaps you should use some common sense! Consider this the TSA security checkpoint if you need a point of reference, when it comes to suggesting or encouraging shooting people.
There are many stupid Democrats and Republicans. I'm neither a Democrat or Republican. People assume a lot of things about me because I don't mind Trump as the president. All I know is that all the people I surround myself have been doing much better since Trump has become president. The end of the world hasn't come like everybody was predicting, If Trump was elected.Quote: terapinedCool
but
There are elected republicans such as Candice Keller whose hatred for gays is so strong, she actually blamed the recent shootings on gay marriage.
Only people on the right hold this view. Nobody on the left holds this view
https://nypost.com/2019/08/05/ohio-lawmaker-candice-keller-blames-gay-marriage-drag-queen-advocates-for-dayton-shooting/
I wish they would take a lot of the time they're using to go after illegal immigrants and use that to go after the gang infested areas of our country. It seems we can't really do that since it would be considered targeting black people.
I have no idea what they can do about Mass shooters.
Quote: AxelWolfAll I know is that all the people I surround myself have been doing much better since Trump has become president.
Interesting
What has exactly changed and how is Trump directly responsible for that change
My life pretty much remains the same through President after President. I work a good job, make money, enjoy myself.
I cant think of a single instance in my life where I could point to a President and say, yea, my life improved directly because a certain person was president
Quote: terapinedInteresting
What has exactly changed and how is Trump directly responsible for that change
My life pretty much remains the same through President after President. I work a good job, make money, enjoy myself.
I cant think of a single instance in my life where I could point to a President and say, yea, my life improved directly because a certain person was president
What's changed is government spending has been allowed to go up under Trump. Republicans pretended to care about the debt/deficit during Obama's two terms in an effort to keep the economy down so they can win back power. Government spending growth was negative in 2011, 2012, 2013, and 2014, and nearly zero in 2015 and 2016. If spending had been allowed to increase at just a modest level, the United States, overall, would be much richer today.
But...party before country. It worked and people have fallen for it.
Quote: AxelWolfI have no idea what they can do about Mass shooters.
The Violence Project has been studying mass shooters and have compiled a database dating back to the 60s. They've studied every mass shooting in schools, workplaces, and places of worships since 1999. They've identified four common traits among most if not all of them:
1) They experience early childhood trauma and exposure to violence at an early age including parental suicide, physical or sexual abuse, neglect, domestic violence, and/or severe bullying.
2) They experience an identifiable crisis in the weeks or months leading up to the shooting, often becoming angry because of a very specific grievance.
3) They research other mass shooters and have sought validation for their motives, searching for notoriety after death.
4) They all had means to carry out their attacks.
When thinking about this research, what can we do in relation to the traits they found?
1) Unfortunately, not a whole lot. If somebody is thinking of carrying out a mass shooting next week and they experienced this, it happened a long time ago and there's nothing we can do about it. This is probably the most difficult area to address.
2) People around the shooter need to be proactive in recognizing the signs that they're in crisis mode and alert the proper authorities.
3) The media needs to quit saying the shooter's name and posting pictures. Social media adds a new wrinkle to this challenge, however, and maybe tech needs to get involved?
4) Secure your firearms. This means you..."responsible gun owners." In 80% of school shootings, the attackers got their weapons from family members. I guess they weren't all that responsible, were they? Secure your weapons and don't give your nephew the code. And last, but certainly not least, pass common sense gun legislation that the majority of Americans support...yesterday.
Quote: Steverinos
4) Secure your firearms. This means you..."responsible gun owners." In 80% of school shootings, the attackers got their weapons from family members. I guess they weren't all that responsible, were they? Secure your weapons and don't give your nephew the code. And last, but certainly not least, pass common sense gun legislation that the majority of Americans support...yesterday.
Common sense gun legislation already exists.
Quote: AZDuffmanCommon sense gun legislation already exists.
Not if somebody can purchase 100 round mags it doesn't.
Quote: SteverinosNot if somebody can purchase 100 round mags it doesn't.
Sure it does. What is wrong with a 100 round mag? Have one for a .22 rifle. Fun as heck to just keep shooting targets.
Quote: AZDuffmanFun as heck to just keep shooting targets.
Herein lies the problem. People have to die because you are having fun?
Limiting large capacity magazines will save lives in these attacks. Maybe you feel that your hobby is more important than our safety?
If so, Oprah was right.
Quote: SteverinosHerein lies the problem. People have to die because you are having fun?
Limiting large capacity magazines will save lives in these attacks. Maybe you feel that your hobby is more important than our safety?
If so, Oprah was right.
What does one have to do with the other? 99% of large capacity mags will likely be used lawfully and nobody get hurt. My hobby has nothing to do with safety. I do not care what Oprah says about anything.
A car killed someone in a DUI last night. Should you give up your car and any booze you have in the house?
Quote: AZDuffmanWhat does one have to do with the other? 99% of large capacity mags will likely be used lawfully and nobody get hurt. My hobby has nothing to do with safety. I do not care what Oprah says about anything.
A car killed someone in a DUI last night. Should you give up your car and any booze you have in the house?
Have I ever expressed thanks to you for not reproducing?
If not, THANK YOU!
Quote: SteverinosHave I ever expressed thanks to you for not reproducing?
If not, THANK YOU!
No need to thank me, even at a young age I wanted no part of raising kids.
Thank me by not taking my rights away because of less than 100 people in a nation of 300 million plus. Thank me by stopping blaming the guns for the problem and work on the collapsing society we live in.
Quote: AZDuffmanNo need to thank me, even at a young age I wanted no part of raising kids.
Thank me by not taking my rights away because of less than 100 people in a nation of 300 million plus. Thank me by stopping blaming the guns for the problem and work on the collapsing society we live in.
I posted four points and a link to website that contains a ton of information on things we can do to limit this OTHER than gun legislation and you chose to focus on one aspect of it, the only aspect you care about. You're selfish.
And ironically, if you think society is collapsing, it's because of hardliners like you who refuse to budge and come to compromises for the greater good of the society you pretend to care about.
Get real...the only thing you care about is yourself. You and Trump belong together. The the funny thing is, you don't have a seat at his table. And you know it.
Quote: SteverinosI posted four points and a link to website that contains a ton of information on things we can do to limit this OTHER than gun legislation and you chose to focus on one aspect of it, the only aspect you care about. You're selfish.
And ironically, if you think society is collapsing, it's because of hardliners like you who refuse to budge and come to compromises for the greater good of the society you pretend to care about.
Nope. Society is collapsing because of liberal social policies since the early 1960s. Purging of any trace of religion anywhere possible. Destruction of the nuclear family. Check on the shooters and see how many came from an intact family vs. a missing father. A general decline in expected personal responsibility. And a general decline in societal manners. Increased drug use. Decreased ability to institutionalize those who are mentally ill. Lots more reasons, but really it is more because "hardliners" have budged, not because we refuse to do so.
Quote:Get real...the only thing you care about is yourself. The the funny thing is, you don't have a seat at his table. And you know it.
If that was true I would be voting for the party wanting to give me handouts from UBI to free health care. Do you see me supporting that? Thank you for comparing me to Trump. He is a great man who cares about his country enough to upend his comfortable life and be the object of hate to 47% of the USA. Maybe you should put your energy into something besides hating him?
Quote: billryanYou can't expect our NRA cousins to take on Bambis mom with a mere 30 round banana clip ,do you?
Quote: AZDuffmanNope. Society is collapsing because of liberal social policies since the early 1960s.
Earl Warren did a lot of damage, he was one dirty rotten scoundrel. And then to think the Warren Commission was supposed to sort out the truth of JFK. Like the wolf in charge of figuring out who killed Little Red Riding Hood. What a joke. A bad joke.
Bust into the house and bust into a 12yr old's room
They clear the room
Then they shoot the knee cap off the kid
WTF
Kid is going to have difficulty walking the rest of his life
The room was cleared, no danger to the police yet they shoot at a 12 yr old in bed
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/chicago-illinois-police-shot-12-year-old-black-boy-in-bed-kneecap.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/12-year-old-boy-sitting-bed-shot-knee-during-police-n1040791
Quote: terapinedPolice do predawn raid at a house
Bust into the house and bust into a 12yr old's room
They clear the room
Then they shoot the knee cap off the kid
WTF
Kid is going to have difficulty walking the rest of his life
The room was cleared, no danger to the police yet they shoot at a 12 yr old in bed
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/chicago-illinois-police-shot-12-year-old-black-boy-in-bed-kneecap.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/12-year-old-boy-sitting-bed-shot-knee-during-police-n1040791
By this post and similar ones that you have posted in the past, you really seem to have a hatred for law enforcement personnel. Why is that?
If you really want a WTF, read the following link:
Father-of-five who advocated rights for migrants is hit and killed by illegal immigrant on probation for a DUI who was ordered to be deported back to El Salvador eight months ago
For the rest of their lives, five children will be without a father
I don't like children getting shot. It's a pretty reasonable reactionQuote: FleaswatterBy this post and similar ones that you have posted in the past, you really seem to have a hatred for law enforcement personnel. Why is that?
Don't you agree with me?
Quote: terapinedI don't like children getting shot. It's a pretty reasonable reaction
Don't you agree with me?
It is always bad when innocent people get shot. But is seems that you only post about it when it is done by law enforcement personnel. I haven't seen any post from you about the the 25 people shot in Chicago in a 4 hour period this past Sunday such as:
Chicago Police Step Up Patrols After 25 People Shot in Less Than 4 Hours
So answer my question: Why do you hate law enforcement personnel??
Quote: Fleaswatter
So answer my question: Why do you hate law enforcement personnel??
lol
So answer my question: Why do you support law enforcement personnel that shoots at innocent people??
Quote: FleaswatterIt is always bad when innocent people get shot. But is seems that you only post about it when it is done by law enforcement personnel. I haven't seen any post from you about the the 25 people shot in Chicago in a 4 hour period this past Sunday such as:
Chicago Police Step Up Patrols After 25 People Shot in Less Than 4 Hours
So answer my question: Why do you hate law enforcement personnel??
If I were ed, I would reject the premise of the question, let alone the insistence that it deserved an answer.
Deflecting his post about excessive law enforcement to answering for minorities who have been reported about is just a tactic that avoids holding law enforcement responsible for their bad actions.
Quote: beachbumbabsQuote: FleaswatterIt is always bad when innocent people get shot. But is seems that you only post about it when it is done by law enforcement personnel. I haven't seen any post from you about the the 25 people shot in Chicago in a 4 hour period this past Sunday such as:
Chicago Police Step Up Patrols After 25 People Shot in Less Than 4 Hours
So answer my question: Why do you hate law enforcement personnel??
If I were ed, I would reject the premise of the question, let alone the insistence that it deserved an answer.
Deflecting his post about excessive law enforcement to answering for minorities who have been reported about is just a tactic that avoids holding law enforcement responsible for their bad actions.
Fleaswatter just doesn't get the logic of being against bad cops but overall support law enforcement.
I think his view is that if you are against bad cops, you are against all law enforcement. sad and illogical
I post that an innocent kid gets shot and fleaswatter challenges me on that, weird. He cant agree with me that a cop should never shoot the knee cap off an innocent child
I'm sure Flea wont respond, he cant deal with my reasonable logic and he cant bring himself to agree with a reasonable position from a lib.
Quote: AZDuffmanWhat does one have to do with the other? 99% of large capacity mags will likely be used lawfully and nobody get hurt. My hobby has nothing to do with safety. I do not care what Oprah says about anything.
A car killed someone in a DUI last night. Should you give up your car and any booze you have in the house?
The one has a lot to do with the other unfortunately. 99% or 98%, or 95% doesn't matter. What matters is the rest who decide to use the ability to acquire 100 rounds mags or 30 rounds mags or whatever easily to slay a crowd for their inner desire at the moment.
Don't play with guns, don't make it a fun "hobby" to have and save hundreds if not thousands of lives per year. Is this so difficult?
One of those lives will be your child or niece or brother or father in the long term.
Quote: terapinedHe cant agree with me that a cop should never shoot the knee cap off an innocent child.
I quote from the following link :https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/33404-9-shot-dead-ohio/13/#post733844
Quote: FleaswatterIt is always bad when innocent people get shot.
Did you forget to read that sentence???
Quote: beachbumbabsQuote: FleaswatterIt is always bad when innocent people get shot. But is seems that you only post about it when it is done by law enforcement personnel. I haven't seen any post from you about the the 25 people shot in Chicago in a 4 hour period this past Sunday such as:
Chicago Police Step Up Patrols After 25 People Shot in Less Than 4 Hours
So answer my question: Why do you hate law enforcement personnel??
If I were ed, I would reject the premise of the question, let alone the insistence that it deserved an answer.
Deflecting his post about excessive law enforcement to answering for minorities who have been reported about is just a tactic that avoids holding law enforcement responsible for their bad actions.
Hmmm, nowhere in the link about Chicago, was the RACE of any of the victims identified. Does this make you a RACIST, since you assumed that the people being reported about in the link were MINORITIES???
Quote: rawtuffThe one has a lot to do with the other unfortunately. 99% or 98%, or 95% doesn't matter. What matters is the rest who decide to use the ability to acquire 100 rounds mags or 30 rounds mags or whatever easily to slay a crowd for their inner desire at the moment.
Don't play with guns, don't make it a fun "hobby" to have and save hundreds if not thousands of lives per year. Is this so difficult?
One of those lives will be your child or niece or brother or father in the long term.
So I guess we should not sell beer in larger than a six pack to avoid DUIs?
What is wrong with making guns a hobby? It’s a great hobby enjoyed by millions.
Given how low your chances of being killed in a gun massacre are it will not be someone I know for 500 years. There are many things I worry about more. Far more important things to worry about.
Quote: SteverinosI'd like to know why Chicago is always cited from conservatives when talking about murders when there are several other cities that have higher murder rates. Just curious.
Chicago is a historically violent city. History of gang and OC violence.
But they have strong gun control!
Quote: AZDuffmanChicago is a historically violent city. History of gang and OC violence.
But they have strong gun control!
But it doesn't even make the top 10 in the latest data that I've seen. So...why not cite other cities that are MORE violent?
It doesn't fit the narrative...that's why.
Quote: SteverinosBut it doesn't even make the top 10 in the latest data that I've seen. So...why not cite other cities that are MORE violent?
It doesn't fit the narrative...that's why.
Why don’t you cite them then?
Quote: SteverinosBut it doesn't even make the top 10 in the latest data that I've seen. So...why not cite other cities that are MORE violent?
It doesn't fit the narrative...that's why.
We just played this one out on diversity tomorrow.
The reason the gun control laws don't work as well in Chicago as they do in countries with similar gun control laws is, Chicago is not a country with customs, inspections, and border control. There is nothing other than paper preventing people from bringing things into Chicago that are illegal there.
"You mean people will break laws?" devolves rather quickly to point out that why should we have any laws at all, because people break laws even though it is illegal.
Finally, related to car deaths vs gun deaths, or dui deaths, how many of the people responsible for those automobile deaths are charged with premeditated murder or hate crimes? How many of them have intentionally targeted a crowd of people?
Quote: SteverinosI'd like to know why Chicago is always cited from conservatives when talking about murders when there are several other cities that have higher murder rates. Just curious.
It became a thing when Obama was President. Now it is Pavlovian.
Quote: billryanIt became a thing when Obama was President. Now it is Pavlovian.
BINGO!
Of course, they would never admit to it, but they used the city as a way to attack Barack Obama and it was transparent. At least, transparent to anybody that would take 1 minute to look up per capita murder rates.
Quote: AZDuffmanChicago is a historically violent city. History of gang and OC violence.
But they have strong gun control!
No sense having strict gun laws if you’re not going to enforce them. Majority of voters in Chicago, and more than 100 other cities, would rather see their kids OD and get shot dead in front of them, than vote for a law enforcement candidate. That’s the way they like it.
Giuliani saved more Black lives than Lincoln in his first four years, and he still only got 20% of their vote.
Quote: FleaswatterQuote: beachbumbabsQuote: FleaswatterIt is always bad when innocent people get shot. But is seems that you only post about it when it is done by law enforcement personnel. I haven't seen any post from you about the the 25 people shot in Chicago in a 4 hour period this past Sunday such as:
Chicago Police Step Up Patrols After 25 People Shot in Less Than 4 Hours
So answer my question: Why do you hate law enforcement personnel??
If I were ed, I would reject the premise of the question, let alone the insistence that it deserved an answer.
Deflecting his post about excessive law enforcement to answering for minorities who have been reported about is just a tactic that avoids holding law enforcement responsible for their bad actions.
Hmmm, nowhere in the link about Chicago, was the RACE of any of the victims identified. Does this make you a RACIST, since you assumed that the people being reported about in the link were MINORITIES???
I was talking about the first post you started badgering ed about, not the repeat. You said,
"By this post and similar ones that you have posted in the past, you really seem to have a hatred for law enforcement personnel. Why is that?
If you really want a WTF, read the following link:
Father-of-five who advocated rights for migrants is hit and killed by illegal immigrant on probation for a DUI who was ordered to be deported back to El Salvador eight months ago
For the rest of their lives, five children will be without a father"
Quote: beachbumbabsI was talking about the first post you started badgering ed about, not the repeat.
BRAVO BRAVO excellent "tap dance".
You know, if I was making a post, I would quote the actual post I was referring to. I would not quote and respond to a different post and then claim that I was actually responding to another post.
Quote: FleaswatterBRAVO BRAVO excellent "tap dance".
You know, if I was making a post, I would quote the actual post I was referring to. I would not quote and respond to a different post and then claim that I was actually responding to another post.
I'm too busy answering the actual question asked instead of trying to deflect into a different direction. But thanks for playing.
Quote: SteverinosI'd like to know why Chicago is always cited from conservatives when talking about murders when there are several other cities that have higher murder rates. Just curious.
Because the murder rate x population usually equals a shockingly high number. A city with 1/10 the population as Chicago with 1/8 as many murders is obviously more dangerous, but 40 dead in a weekend beats 5 dead in a weekend for headline potential.
Quote: SOOPOOBecause the murder rate x population usually equals a shockingly high number. A city with 1/10 the population as Chicago with 1/8 as many murders is obviously more dangerous, but 40 dead in a weekend beats 5 dead in a weekend for headline potential.
40 dead in a weekend would be a story. I guess NYC might have come close a few times in the Dinkins era, but Chicago hasn't.
Homicides in Chicago are down significantly this year, by the by
"(CNN)During the weekend in Chicago, 66 people were shot, 12 of them fatally, between Friday at 6 p.m. and Sunday at 11:59 p.m." cnnQuote: billryan40 dead in a weekend would be a story. I guess NYC might have come close a few times in the Dinkins era, but Chicago hasn't.
" Chicago was responsible for nearly half of 2016's increase in homicides in the US."
"This murder rate of 15.65 per 100,000 population is still above the U.S. average."
"The neighborhoods of Englewood on the South Side, and Austin on the West side, for example, have homicide rates that are ten times higher than other parts of the city.[25]"
Quote:SPRINGFIELD, Mo. (AP) — Prosecutors on Friday filed a terrorist threat charge against a 20-year-old man who said he walked into a Missouri store wearing body armor and carrying a loaded rifle and handgun to test whether Walmart would honor his constitutional right to bear arms.
The incident, just days after 22 people were killed during an attack at another Walmart in El Paso, Texas, caused a panic at the Springfield, Missouri, store. Dmitriy Andreychenko walked through filming himself with his cell phone Thursday afternoon.
No shots were fired and Andreychenko was arrested after he was stopped by an armed off-duty firefighter at the store.
"Missouri protects the right of people to open carry a firearm, but that does not allow an individual to act in a reckless and criminal manner endangering other citizens," Greene County Prosecuting Attorney Dan Patterson said in a statement announcing the charge. Patterson compared the man's actions to "falsely shouting fire in a theater causing a panic."
If convicted, the felony charge of making a terrorist threat in the second degree is punishable by up to four years in prison and a fine of up to $10,000, according to the prosecutor's office. The charge means he showed reckless disregard for the risk of causing an evacuation or knowingly caused fear that lives were in danger.
Quote:His wife, Angelice Andreychenko, told investigators that she warned him it was not a good idea, adding that he was an immature boy.
His sister, Anastasia Andreychenko, said he had asked her if she would videotape him going into Walmart with a gun and she also told him it was a bad idea, according to the probable cause statement.
Won’t last. New Mayor says she is going to ‘reform’ the Police Dept.
Politicians in high crime cities always blame the police.
Most Chicago crime is centered in a few neighborhoods. The politicians won’t touch them for the usual reasons.
Rahm Emanuel only acted to bring down crime in his last year in office, so he could claim to be the one who reduced crime in Chicago. Never mind that murders increased 14% while he was Mayor. Dinkins did that too. Today, when they give their speeches, they credit Dinkins with bringing down crime in NYC. No mention of Rudy.
The Chicago City Council even named a street after Oscar Lopez Rivera, the FALN terrorist released by Obama. As soon as he was released, he began shacking up with the NYC City Council President. She’s the one who called a press conference to announce she has genital herpes. Figures, only a dirtbag who just served 32 years in prison would go near her.
The FALN killed four, including a 32 year old father of a 9 month old son, and injured 40 more in the NYC Fraunces Tavern bombing.
Rivera, who was captured crying bombs, and plotted to kill prison guards while in jail, was their bomb maker and trainer, and Obama freed him.
Quote: SanchoPanza"(CNN)During the weekend in Chicago, 66 people were shot, 12 of them fatally, between Friday at 6 p.m. and Sunday at 11:59 p.m." cnn
" Chicago was responsible for nearly half of 2016's increase in homicides in the US."
"This murder rate of 15.65 per 100,000 population is still above the U.S. average."
"The neighborhoods of Englewood on the South Side, and Austin on the West side, for example, have homicide rates that are ten times higher than other parts of the city.[25]"
Facts are still facts. I'm not sure what 66 people being shot has to do with anything. It seems to point out the obvious. Forty people weren't killed in any weekend.
Yesterday, this self proclaimed protector was arrested, charged with possession of explosives and numerous other charges in connection to his membership in white supremacist groups. He was making plans to attack a nearby temple and a neighborhood bar he suspected was a hot bed of homosexual activity.
This is what it has to do with 66 shot:Quote: billryanFacts are still facts. I'm not sure what 66 people being shot has to do with anything. It seems to point out the obvious. Forty people weren't killed in any weekend.
"40 dead in a weekend would be a story. I guess NYC might have come close a few times in the Dinkins era, but Chicago hasn't." For the obtuse, that means that Chicago has far surpassed elsewhere.
Quote: SanchoPanzaThis is what it has to do with 66 shot:
"40 dead in a weekend would be a story. I guess NYC might have come close a few times in the Dinkins era, but Chicago hasn't." For the obtuse, that means that Chicago has far surpassed elsewhere.
66 shot does not equal 66 dead.
This is one of those instances where Sancho knows he’s wrong but is just completely dug in. He will just keep gaslighting and throwing snarky replies at you until the topic moves on.
