Current Events-nothing Trump
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanI keep hearing that "pro-choice" folks are not "pro-abortion." Well, look at a recent USA Today headline:
Fewer women are having abortions. Why?
If that not clear enough that they think a decline in abortion rates is not a good thing, how about a quote from the article:Quote: Mary Ziegler, a professor at the Florida State University College of Law who specializes in the legal history of reproduction
"We've changed what was an undeniable consensus — that reducing abortion was the goal," Ziegler said. "Now we're looking at whether the decline in abortion rates is something to be celebrated or worried about."
So please, do not tell me the "pro-choice movement" is not really pro-abortion. And when you support them, know what you are really supporting.
But I am telling you.
Please dont tell me the opposite
You can tell me whatever you want. This is at least the third think I have linked to show my point. A John Cleese reply of "no, it isn't" does not compare.
Because your links are fake news
I am certain I can link to dozens of articles on global warming being a reality
Will that change your mind?
Doubtful
So links are meaningless
Quote: darkoz
Because your links are fake news
How? By actually showing people celebrating abortion?
Quote:I am certain I can link to dozens of articles on global warming being a reality
Will that change your mind?
Nope. Because GW has been disproved many times. Because so many GW models have been proven flawed. Because so many GW predictions have failed. But mostly because GW is a prediction, I am showing actual reality.
How about some links showing feminist organizations and "pro-choice" folks praising women who chose adoption? Or celebrating that there were less abortions over time? Hmmm? Instead of comparing to GW, for which I have given actual reasons to be a skeptic vs. saying "no, it isn't", you try to defend your position in an intellectual way?
Or is it easier to say, "no it isn't?"
Quote: AZDuffmanHow? By actually showing people celebrating abortion?
Nope. Because GW has been disproved many times. Because so many GW models have been proven flawed. Because so many GW predictions have failed. But mostly because GW is a prediction, I am showing actual reality.
How about some links showing feminist organizations and "pro-choice" folks praising women who chose adoption? Or celebrating that there were less abortions over time? Hmmm? Instead of comparing to GW, for which I have given actual reasons to be a skeptic vs. saying "no, it isn't", you try to defend your position in an intellectual way?
Or is it easier to say, "no it isn't?"
I can point to just as many links that show GW is real.
If I took the time I am certain I can point to just as many links that disprove your pro-abortion accusations
(I am too busy enjoying my bluray of smokey and the bandit right now)
As u state, you wont believe my links.
Quote: darkozI can point to just as many links that show GW is real.
If I took the time I am certain I can point to just as many links that disprove your pro-abortion accusations
(I am too busy enjoying my bluray of smokey and the bandit right now)
As u state, you wont believe my links.
Take your time, I look forward to you showing some of these feminist groups praising the women who choose adoption over abortion.
My position on GW is clear, I do not believe. Your defense is "LISTEN TO THE SCIENTISTS!" Same as any GW believer, cannot make their own case.
But I am making a point about pro-abortion folks, not GW. Your deflection says quite a bit.
Quote: AZDuffmanTake your time, I look forward to you showing some of these feminist groups praising the women who choose adoption over abortion.
My position on GW is clear, I do not believe. Your defense is "LISTEN TO THE SCIENTISTS!" Same as any GW believer, cannot make their own case.
But I am making a point about pro-abortion folks, not GW. Your deflection says quite a bit.
Of course I say listen to the scientists
Im not a scientist so why should you listen to me
Quote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanI keep hearing that "pro-choice" folks are not "pro-abortion." Well, look at a recent USA Today headline:
Fewer women are having abortions. Why?
If that not clear enough that they think a decline in abortion rates is not a good thing, how about a quote from the article:Quote: Mary Ziegler, a professor at the Florida State University College of Law who specializes in the legal history of reproduction
"We've changed what was an undeniable consensus — that reducing abortion was the goal," Ziegler said. "Now we're looking at whether the decline in abortion rates is something to be celebrated or worried about."
So please, do not tell me the "pro-choice movement" is not really pro-abortion. And when you support them, know what you are really supporting.
But I am telling you.
Please dont tell me the opposite
You can tell me whatever you want. This is at least the third think I have linked to show my point. A John Cleese reply of "no, it isn't" does not compare.
Because your links are fake news
I am certain I can link to dozens of articles on global warming being a reality
Will that change your mind?
Doubtful
So links are meaningless
So here is an excerpt from an article stating that pro-choice groups are not advocating for abortions but reducing the number of abortions while expanding the choices women have
In case your wondering what article it comes from its the very one you link to above in your own post as your proof.
Do you even read past the first paragraph when you link to these articles?
Excerpt:
In the 1990s, President Bill Clinton said abortion should be "safe, legal and rare," a slogan that persisted among Democrats for years. It was a position on which pro-choice and pro-life activists could ostensibly agree, since it implied abortion is something to avoid.
Pro-choice advocates have moved from framing abortion as something that should be "rare" to something that should be accessible to any woman who needs it, though they strongly advocate for policies that reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies, which in turn reduces the need for abortion.
Quote: rxwineToo many in the pro-life movement think that going beyond actual facts is helping their cause. It just makes them look foolish and dishonest.
Bottom line
Prudes angry people are having sex for fun
Its pretty obvious those against abortion aren't getting any
It amazes me how nosy some people get when somebody gets pregnant.
None of my business
Quote: darkoz
So here is an excerpt from an article stating that pro-choice groups are not advocating for abortions but reducing the number of abortions while expanding the choices women have
In case your wondering what article it comes from its the very one you link to above in your own post as your proof.
Do you even read past the first paragraph when you link to these articles?
Excerpt:
In the 1990s, President Bill Clinton said abortion should be "safe, legal and rare," a slogan that persisted among Democrats for years. It was a position on which pro-choice and pro-life activists could ostensibly agree, since it implied abortion is something to avoid.
Pro-choice advocates have moved from framing abortion as something that should be "rare" to something that should be accessible to any woman who needs it, though they strongly advocate for policies that reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies, which in turn reduces the need for abortion.
Did I even read it? Did you even read it?
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkoz
So here is an excerpt from an article stating that pro-choice groups are not advocating for abortions but reducing the number of abortions while expanding the choices women have
In case your wondering what article it comes from its the very one you link to above in your own post as your proof.
Do you even read past the first paragraph when you link to these articles?
Excerpt:
In the 1990s, President Bill Clinton said abortion should be "safe, legal and rare," a slogan that persisted among Democrats for years. It was a position on which pro-choice and pro-life activists could ostensibly agree, since it implied abortion is something to avoid.
Pro-choice advocates have moved from framing abortion as something that should be "rare" to something that should be accessible to any woman who needs it, though they strongly advocate for policies that reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies, which in turn reduces the need for abortion.
Did I even read it? Did you even read it?
Whats your point?
Highlights of half a statement in order to change the full meaning of the paragraph just prove your wrong.
Why dont you highlight the second part of the paragraph which literally proves you wrong lol
Quote: darkozOf course I say listen to the scientists
Im not a scientist so why should you listen to me
On GW I do not listen to anyone who cannot make their own point by an intellectual process. Saying to listen to someone else is not an intellectual process.
How do you deal with the fact that the scientists you listen to have been wrong for 30 years. Their models have been incorrect. Their predictions have not come to pass. Will you listen to them indefinitely just because they are scientists? Or at some point will you stop just believing?
Quote: AZDuffmanOn GW I do not listen to anyone who cannot make their own point by an intellectual process. Saying to listen to someone else is not an intellectual process.
How do you deal with the fact that the scientists you listen to have been wrong for 30 years. Their models have been incorrect. Their predictions have not come to pass. Will you listen to them indefinitely just because they are scientists? Or at some point will you stop just believing?
So if I do the "intellectual research" and I come to the same conclusion as the world's leading scientists you will now agree that global warming is a reality?
On fhe strength of Darkoz' research?
I highly doubt it.
If you refuse to believe the scientists then you will refuse to believe me. So why waste time examining scientific data that neither I nor you who I believe is a former blackjack dealer are qualified to research with any expertise
To put it another way...
Who to take seriously on the matter. A bunch of world renowned scientists and a former vice president or..
A former blackjack dealer
What a conundrum?
EDIT: If I got your former occupation wrong please correct me but I recall you stating you were a dealer in a casino. Maybe even a current dealer
Quote: darkozSo if I do the "intellectual research" and I come to the same conclusion as the world's leading scientists you will now agree that global warming is a reality?
On fhe strength of Darkoz' research?
I highly doubt it.
If you refuse to believe the scientists then you will refuse to believe me. So why waste time examining scientific data that neither I nor you who I believe is a former blackjack dealer are qualified to research with any expertise
To put it another way...
Who to take seriously on the matter. A bunch of world renowned scientists and a former vice president or..
A former blackjack dealer
What a conundrum?
EDIT: If I got your former occupation wrong please correct me but I recall you stating you were a dealer in a casino. Maybe even a current dealer
You want to take a former VP seriously when he lives in a mansion and flies private jets yet preaches the world will end if we do not change our habits? Seriously, you take him seriously?
No, I never dealt in a casino. I do deal "casino nights" for parties, for last 11 years now. I have also had a number of positions at a number of places. On one interim job the manager asked me, "Is there a side hustle you haven't had?" My day jobs have given me some good exposure as well.
I consider myself a "renaissance man" in that regard. When you get older and get that exposure, you learn not to just swallow what "the scientists" or anyone else for that matter is pushing. You learn to look at the bigger picture. You look at who is pushing the narrative and ask what their personal benefit is. And you learn to look at their argument and see where it is weak.
On GW I have done all of this, and the vase evidence shows me to be very, very skeptical at the least and see the outright fraud at best. I was once just skeptical, I now outright deny. Because too many people are gaining too much by convincing sheep to just "listen to the scientists." Get them to scream, FOUR LEGS GOOD, TWO LEGS BAD! anytime a skeptic makes a logical argument.
Believe what you like, but come to your own conclusions.
"People want to be told what to do so bad they will listen to anything."---Don Draper
Quote: AZDuffmanYou want to take a former VP seriously when he lives in a mansion and flies private jets yet preaches the world will end if we do not change our habits? Seriously, you take him seriously?
No, I never dealt in a casino. I do deal "casino nights" for parties, for last 11 years now. I have also had a number of positions at a number of places. On one interim job the manager asked me, "Is there a side hustle you haven't had?" My day jobs have given me some good exposure as well.
I consider myself a "renaissance man" in that regard. When you get older and get that exposure, you learn not to just swallow what "the scientists" or anyone else for that matter is pushing. You learn to look at the bigger picture. You look at who is pushing the narrative and ask what their personal benefit is. And you learn to look at their argument and see where it is weak.
On GW I have done all of this, and the vase evidence shows me to be very, very skeptical at the least and see the outright fraud at best. I was once just skeptical, I now outright deny. Because too many people are gaining too much by convincing sheep to just "listen to the scientists." Get them to scream, FOUR LEGS GOOD, TWO LEGS BAD! anytime a skeptic makes a logical argument.
Believe what you like, but come to your own conclusions.
"People want to be told what to do so bad they will listen to anything."---Don Draper
You have not shown me what YOUR qualifications are for believing you over scientists.
Professional Renaissance Man isnt gonna cut it.
You did research? Okay publish a paper in a well respected scientific magazine stating your position and research. Then I will start to believe you
Until then your Don Draper quote applies to your statements as well
Quote: darkozYou have not shown me what YOUR qualifications are for believing you over scientists.
Professional Renaissance Man isnt gonna cut it.
You did research? Okay publish a paper in a well respected scientific magazine stating your position and research. Then I will start to believe you
You can believe whomever you want. Sorry, not publishing a research paper as I do not work at a university living off government funding. Those kind of people can publish papers. I have to go out and work for a living. They are only read by each other. A nice little bubble they have there. If you do not want to "believe me" at least learn to ask your own questions, which you do not seem to do.
Quote:Until then your Don Draper quote applies to your statements as well
How is that? I am not the one just "listening to the scientists." I am the one questioning them.
Quote: AZDuffmanYou can believe whomever you want. Sorry, not publishing a research paper as I do not work at a university living off government funding. Those kind of people can publish papers. I have to go out and work for a living. They are only read by each other. A nice little bubble they have there. If you do not want to "believe me" at least learn to ask your own questions, which you do not seem to do.
In orher words you are not qualified to give a trusted analysis of global warming for or against
Quote: AZDuffman
How is that? I am not the one just "listening to the scientists." I am the one questioning them.
You are asking me to just listen to you
Quote: darkozIn orher words you are not qualified to give a trusted analysis of global warming for or against
Maybe, maybe not. But I am sure qualified to ask questions about what we are being fed. And there are enough that I do not believe.
Quote:You are asking me to just listen to you
No, I am asking you to quit being a sheep and ask your own questions. To learn what questions to ask. To not automatically trust someone because they are "a scientist."
Quote: AZDuffmanMaybe, maybe not. But I am sure qualified to ask questions about what we are being fed. And there are enough that I do not believe.
No, I am asking you to quit being a sheep and ask your own questions. To learn what questions to ask. To not automatically trust someone because they are "a scientist."
You're right
Im going ro start work on my perpetual motion machine and roulette system forthwith
Scientists and mathematicians be damned
Quote: darkozYou're right
Im going ro start work on my perpetual motion machine and roulette system forthwith
Scientists and mathematicians be damned
Have fun!
Quote: mcallister3200No, but let’s not be naive enough to pretend our own government hasn’t likely done this on several occasions throughout history without our knowledge, probably through third parties to retain plausible deniability.
How do you think she got the nickname "Killary"?
Quote: AZDuffmanHave fun!
I would like to display my results for a perpetual motion machine.
I call it...
WOV Political* threads.
They go round and round with very little sustainable energy in a perpetual motion
For the record tbey seem to generate better cleaner and more usable energy when travelling towards the leftward direction
Traveling rightward generates a lot of coal-like and other noxious fumes that hurt the environment and may be contributing to Global Warming
Patent pending @
EDIT: "Trump" changed to Political
Quote: darkozI would like to display my results for a perpetual motion machine.
I call it...
WOV Trump threads.
They go round and round with very little sustainable energy in a perpetual motion
For the record tbey seem to generate better cleaner and more usable energy when travelling towards the leftward direction
Traveling rightward generates a lot of coal-like and other noxious fumes that hurt the environment and may be contributing to Global Warming
Patent pending @
And yet again we have a lefty bringing up Trump in a "nothing Trump" thread.
Forget about the casino links, management needs to make a version of a swear jar fine for this. They may make more money that way.
Quote: AZDuffmanAnd yet again we have a lefty bringing up Trump in a "nothing Trump" thread.
Forget about the casino links, management needs to make a version of a swear jar fine for this. They may make more money that way.
Thats true. Im guilty on this one.
These political threads all look alike.
Hard to keep them apart especially since im hop skipping bewteen answering the same 3 or 4 righties in multiple threads
Changed "Trump" to Political"
yet
https://deadstate.org/chick-fil-a-franchise-owner-charged-with-molesting-teenager-while-serving-as-church-youth-leader/?fbclid=IwAR1Gh_7Ehdo9-TsRDaE5yRu0-CepebYiJvi4w8zZ2hldM16HvyjzhykNUBg
"Heather Matuszek, 32, was arrested and posted $40,000 bail on Wednesday, according to reporting from The Tampa Bay Times. She is charged with touching a young girl who belonged to the Clearwater Community Church, where Matuszek served as a youth leader at the time."
The thing about science and scientists, well, everyone actually — is you can’t really trust someone who’s been wrong more often than not. I’m going to trust Wizard when he says something is a good play when it comes to gambling or something math related, since IMO he’s almost always right. But if Wizard says “that 22 y/o white girl drinking a Starbucks latte while taking selfies on her phone, I bet she knows who the Vice President was in 1927, EVERYONE KNOWS THAT....even money?”.....I’m gonna have to disagree with Wizard on that one since he has a terrible track record with winning those kinds of bets.
Quote: RSRE: Global warming....
The thing about science and scientists, well, everyone actually — is you can’t really trust someone who’s been wrong more often than not. I’m going to trust Wizard when he says something is a good play when it comes to gambling or something math related, since IMO he’s almost always right. But if Wizard says “that 22 y/o white girl drinking a Starbucks latte while taking selfies on her phone, I bet she knows who the Vice President was in 1927, EVERYONE KNOWS THAT....even money?”.....I’m gonna have to disagree with Wizard on that one since he has a terrible track record with winning those kinds of bets.
The First Climate Model Turns 50, And Predicted Global Warming Almost Perfectly
https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/03/15/the-first-climate-model-turns-50-and-predicted-global-warming-almost-perfectly/#38cb3dc06614
Quote: RSRE: Global warming....
The thing about science and scientists, well, everyone actually — is you can’t really trust someone who’s been wrong more often than not. I’m going to trust Wizard when he says something is a good play when it comes to gambling or something math related, since IMO he’s almost always right. But if Wizard says “that 22 y/o white girl drinking a Starbucks latte while taking selfies on her phone, I bet she knows who the Vice President was in 1927, EVERYONE KNOWS THAT....even money?”.....I’m gonna have to disagree with Wizard on that one since he has a terrible track record with winning those kinds of bets.
Are you claiming all scientists are generally wrong?
Nuclear scientists?
Biological scientists?
Anthropologists?
Chemical scientists?
All those fields get their info wrong than right in your opinion?
Quote: darkozAre you claiming all scientists are generally wrong?
Nuclear scientists?
Biological scientists?
Anthropologists?
Chemical scientists?
All those fields get their info wrong than right in your opinion?
When trying to extrapolate short term data sets and applying theory, YES. Start mixing in monetary interests and you have a recipe for disaster.
Quote: MaxPenWhen trying to extrapolate short term data sets and applying theory, YES. Start mixing in monetary interests and you have a recipe for disaster.
Monetary interests> yes.
Humans have started to grow spikes in the back of their skulls."
Quote: AZDuffmanYou can believe whomever you want. Sorry, not publishing a research paper as I do not work at a university living off government funding. Those kind of people can publish papers. I have to go out and work for a living. They are only read by each other. A nice little bubble they have there. If you do not want to "believe me" at least learn to ask your own questions, which you do not seem to do.
This is terribly insulting to anyone in the academic community. But I don't expect you to be suspended for it because I was a former academic that got fired because I worked on a project that was too difficult for me, and I didn't work hard enough. But one thing I did NOT do is make up garbage to save my job like you are insinuating the majority of climatologists do. But that A-hole that said vaccines cause autism did crap like that and the adverse effects of his blatant lying have lived with us for well over a decade now.
Quote: rxwineMonetary interests> yes.
Big shock. A company downplaying effects of their negative effects on the environment to help their bottom line. And sadly, if they offered me a job right now, I still snap take it.
The paranoid should "keep watching the skies." FYI And don't leave your sunroof open.
Quote: odiousgambitWe can listen to the scientists. But we can't listen to journalists and think, aha, we have listened to the scientists!
There is a 10 minute video online of a Chinese guy who did all these stunts off high buildings and had it filmed, often just holding on with the fingers of one hand with no safety gear. It was easy to predict based on what I saw, that with high probability, he was going to make a fatal mistake, or slip one day and die. That's what eventually happened. But I couldn't have guessed the day, or even the month. But I would have gladly bet against anyone who said he can continue to do that as often as he did and live for ten years. But I could have easily lost a bet trying to pick the day.
So one can see a bunch of processes and basically be right, but still be wrong trying to put too precise a date.
Quote: rxwineThere is a 10 minute video online of a Chinese guy who did all these stunts off high buildings and had it filmed, often just holding on with the fingers of one hand with no safety gear. It was easy to predict based on what I saw, that with high probability, he was going to make a fatal mistake, or slip one day and die. That's what eventually happened. But I couldn't have guessed the day, or even the month. But I would have gladly bet against anyone who said he can continue to do that as often as he did and live for ten years. But I could have easily lost a bet trying to pick the day.
So one can see a bunch of processes and basically be right, but still be wrong trying to put too precise a date.
So don’t try to predict a precise date like the GW “scientists” try to push. And before anyone tries to argue 10 or 20 years isn’t a precise date, look at the overall timeline.
He described them just immature students trying to top one another
That's not what I came away with reading his disgusting remarks
He was absolutely livid and angry that a white girl would date a black jock and went off on the jock using the N word
Quote: terapinedKyle Kashuv has had his Harvard admission recinded over racist remarks he made a couple years ago
He described them just immature students trying to top one another
That's not what I came away with reading his disgusting remarks
He was absolutely livid and angry that a white girl would date a black jock and went off on the jock using the N word
He is certainly no Dave Chappelle. Racism is what you make it.
Quote: BozHe is certainly no Dave Chappelle. Racism is what you make it.
I just view it as hatred with no foundation
Why hate a couple simply because they are from different races
I just don't get that hate
By the way, I am bi-racial
Quote: terapinedI just view it as hatred with no foundation
Why hate a couple simply because they are from different races
I just don't get that hate
By the way, I am bi-racial
Why hate anyone for any racial reason?
I don’t care what you are. I judge you (on here as Terp) on your statements. You may or may not be that guy. I like to believe you are.
Being BiRacial gets you no pass with me, no different than me being white should allow you to judge me other than on my posts.
That all said, I believe you are one of the good ones, like most are on here.
Quote: BozWhy hate anyone for any racial reason?
I don’t care what you are. I judge you (on here as Terp) on your statements. You may or may not be that guy. I like to believe you are.
You have to ask Kyle Kushov. He was pretty furious a white girl was dating a black jock
I don't know why Kyle hated the couple
I certainly don't have a problem with it
Quote: terapinedYou have to ask Kyle Kushov. He was pretty furious a white girl was dating a black jock
I don't know why Kyle hated the couple
I certainly don't have a problem with it
It doesn’t end there. Racism is everywhere. Just don’t single out whites for it.
Many cultures have an issue with their daughters with other races. From Asians to Jews to Arabs to racist Whites and even Africans. It’s wrong but don’t ever think it’s an American racist issue.
Quote: terapinedYou have to ask Kyle Kushov. He was pretty furious a white girl was dating a black jock
I don't know why Kyle hated the couple
I certainly don't have a problem with it
My guess? We have all been college aged here. He probably liked the girl and she was with another dude. Him being black was probably the low hanging fruit to express his jealousy.
It is a reality.Quote: darkozI can link to dozens of articles on global warming being a reality
Once that Seven rolls, it is reality and it depends how broad a view you want to take before you dub it a trend.
Quote: FleaStiffTourists report being sick in DR resorts and headlines report several tourists dying of sudden-onset pulmonary edema suggesting an organophosphate insecticide which implies adulterated drinks since multiple resorts are involved.
Actually, I'm hearing reports that it's due to substitution in the local market of homemade booze, either poured into bar drinks and/or stocked in the minibar, and that numerous resorts are or have been buying garbage cheaply either knowingly or unknowingly. The adulterant or contamination may well be pesticides, but could also be chemicals used in distillation or illicit ingredients.
I could be wrong of course.
Not limited to the DR. This country put thousands into the Lexington mental wards during Prohibition.Quote: beachbumbabsThe adulterant or contamination may well be pesticides, but could also be chemicals used in distillation or illicit ingredients.
There is a first time for everything!Quote: beachbumbabsI could be wrong of course.
There is a published book out there saying Sandy Hook is fake
Disgusting
Thankfully the authors lost their case
From the plaintiff
“If Mr. Fetzer wants to believe that Sandy Hook never happened and that we are all crisis actors, even that my son never existed, he has the right to be wrong,” Pozner said. “But he doesn’t have the right to broadcast those beliefs if they defame me or harass me. He doesn’t have the right to use my baby’s image or our name as a marketing ploy to raise donations or sell his products. He doesn’t have the right to convince others to hunt my family.”
https://deadstate.org/sandy-hook-families-win-lawsuit-against-conspiracy-theorists-who-said-the-shooting-was-a-fema-drill/?fbclid=IwAR2-XN0CbMrc3LJCAqf6EBWf8Tym69uaawpY3qucO4GsjNphVHk06t39fzA
Quote: terapinedWTF
There is a published book out there saying Sandy Hook is fake
Disgusting
Thankfully the authors lost their case
From the plaintiff
“If Mr. Fetzer wants to believe that Sandy Hook never happened and that we are all crisis actors, even that my son never existed, he has the right to be wrong,” Pozner said. “But he doesn’t have the right to broadcast those beliefs if they defame me or harass me. He doesn’t have the right to use my baby’s image or our name as a marketing ploy to raise donations or sell his products. He doesn’t have the right to convince others to hunt my family.”
https://deadstate.org/sandy-hook-families-win-lawsuit-against-conspiracy-theorists-who-said-the-shooting-was-a-fema-drill/?fbclid=IwAR2-XN0CbMrc3LJCAqf6EBWf8Tym69uaawpY3qucO4GsjNphVHk06t39fzA
Mehhhh,,,you probably think we actually went to the Moon and the earth is round.
