Nathan's Corner
Quote: ChumpChangeIt's a casino Bingo game, not a church Bingo game. There must be a difference, maybe the size of the jackpots.
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Anything I’ve seen bingo is bingo. NY had bingo parlors when I was there. Owner had to partner with a charity group.
Quote: darkozQuote: SOOPOOQuote: NathanJust did some research on Wicked Winnings and a line of the She Devil and Ravens is 5000 credits which equals to $50 on a penny machine. So the woman either won $50.00 3 lines) or $150(1 line times 3) not $500, still a VERY good payout on a 3 cent bet. :D
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Or WAY more likely just made stuff up.
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Strange things happen in gambling.
True story: I was playing $200 max spin while a lady played the same slot next to me for $5 a spin. We both won bonus rounds simultaneously. Everyone was more excited for me because I was betting $200 and not just $5.
Her game got three retrggers and a few all wilds spins while I got nearly nothing. My $200 spin won me circa $900 and she won $2000.
It was one of the most gut wrenching moments of slot play I have ever had. (Had I gotten all her spins instead I would have won about $80,000).
That was my worst losing day ever, BTW so it wasn't even an overall day where I could have some nice wins to alleviate that bonus spin debacle.
(And this was an advantage play on top of that being these were must hits combined with a multiplier freeplay day, 20x freeplay and still my worst day ever).
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Aw man, I just read your entire post in its entirety and aw man, I would have been PISSED too if I were betting $200 a spin and got only $900 and the player next to me got the bonus at the same time and was only betting $5 and got $2,000, over TWICE my payout despite playing 40 times LESS than what I was betting. :(
Modern Las Vegas can indirectly help trace its roots to bingo; not there, but back east.
Steve Wynn grew up in a home where his dad, by report, ran a bingo hall, and Steve was involved in the family business over time, then he moved west.
But why is it that bingo is not featured at Wynn or Encore, so far as I can tell?
Heck, bingo seems MIA in most of sin city.
Is it too plebian for those who travel vast distances to scratch their gamblin' tch?
Quote: MrV
But why is it that bingo is not featured at Wynn or Encore, so far as I can tell?
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Probably because bingo is considered beneath them and bingo takes up a lot of space. If you are not using it for bingo that is dead space. And bingo only works certain days and times.
Quote: NathanWow. 4 rounds of Bingo and 3/4 cards and I didn't get a single Bingo yet. :( I kept being down one number for each round. :( REALLY messed up..:(
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I have found the best time to play Bingo is when no one else is playing that way no one will beat you to calling Bingo and you will never split the prize.
All you need is a door sign "Today's bingo has been cancelled,"Quote: DRichQuote: NathanWow. 4 rounds of Bingo and 3/4 cards and I didn't get a single Bingo yet. :( I kept being down one number for each round. :( REALLY messed up..:(
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I have found the best time to play Bingo is when no one else is playing that way no one will beat you to calling Bingo and you will never split the prize.
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Quote: SOOPOOI have a question for you. I hope you will answer. You know I’ve made my feelings clear about why I think you should not be allowed here. I may have been rude at times. Certainly argumentative at least.
Did you ever feel I was ‘going after you’ because of your race, gender, or disability? I’ll ask you the same about BillyRyan.
I’m asking because Gordon has brought up these issues and to me, there never even was a hint of gender or racial overtones in his (or my!) posts.
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I felt insulted by BillRyan. I sometimes feel insulted by you too, when you accuse me of making things up and telling me that I should not have been reinstated.
And yes, sometimes I feel like you are going after me .
Care to expound?
A candid answer could given doubters some insight as to you and your motivation.
No, you need not respond, but I for one am curious.
Quote: NathanQuote: SOOPOOI have a question for you. I hope you will answer. You know I’ve made my feelings clear about why I think you should not be allowed here. I may have been rude at times. Certainly argumentative at least.
Did you ever feel I was ‘going after you’ because of your race, gender, or disability? I’ll ask you the same about BillyRyan.
I’m asking because Gordon has brought up these issues and to me, there never even was a hint of gender or racial overtones in his (or my!) posts.
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I felt insulted by BillRyan. I sometimes feel insulted by you too, when you accuse me of making things up and telling me that I should not have been reinstated.
And yes, sometimes I feel like you are going after me .
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I fully admit I’ve ‘gone after you’. But I’ve outlined the specifics of why. It has never been about your race or gender. And frankly, until very recently, I wasn’t aware that you had any disability. I’m still not sure you do.
I’m going to try and be nicer. Sometimes being nice can be its own reward.
Quote: NathanQuote: SOOPOODid you ever feel I was ‘going after you’ because of your race, gender, or disability?
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And yes, sometimes I feel like you are going after me .
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Karen,
You've done the same trick you so often do, not answering the question as asked.
Soopoo knew that he had 'gone after you'. He asked if you thought that was because of your race, gender or disability.
Any chance you can answer that? Please.
Many have 'gone after you' or generally made you feel unwelcome, but I believe that is because of what you have done, not because of who/what you are.
Anyhow. Well done on being well behaved since your return.
Quote: OnceDearQuote: NathanQuote: SOOPOODid you ever feel I was ‘going after you’ because of your race, gender, or disability?
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And yes, sometimes I feel like you are going after me .
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Karen,
You've done the same trick you so often do, not answering the question as asked.
Soopoo knew that he had 'gone after you'. He asked if you thought that was because of your race, gender or disability.
Any chance you can answer that? Please.
Many have 'gone after you' or generally made you feel unwelcome, but I believe that is because of what you have done, not because of who/what you are.
Anyhow. Well done on being well behaved since your return.
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She had answered that she didn't feel Soopoo went after her for race, gender or disability. It was the last line of the post.
She since edited that part out.
That however is her prerogative. Perhaps she thought it over and decided she felt differently. Or perhaps she really isn't certain about Soopoo and didn't want to leave her answer up.
BTW, I feel weird mentioning this because editing out one's public comments means one doesn't want to discuss it. I almost feel like this is akin to discussing a PM. Perhaps more egregious as it was something "taken off the table" However there are no rules against it I am aware of.
Bottom line is she did directly answer the question, I saw it and for whatever reason changed her mind.
Quote: NathanI don't know other people's motives, so I quickly edited out that line just minutes later hoping no one saw that line....
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Also people shouldn't be forced to reply to any question that's a touchy subject or for that matter any questions.
We are here to discuss gambling in all its forms and for the most part this last week the person talking about gambling has been Nathan.
Quote: darkozAlso people shouldn't be forced to reply to any question that's a touchy subject or for that matter any questions.
We are here to discuss gambling in all its forms and for the most part this last week the person talking about gambling has been Nathan.
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DarkOz is not Herbert. We reach!
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/28302-i-was-amused-at-first-but-i-now-i-am-about-to-start-reporting-you-guys/
Quote: NathanSpeaking of me asking random people to play on my Player's Club Card, I had the complete opposite thinking in 2018 when a Woman was approached by two different people asking her to play on their cards. My reaction was something like,"People ask random people to play on their Player's Club Card? How appalling (Shocking and disgusting) Cut to a few years later, I ended up doing the same exact thing that I at first found appalling.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/28302-i-was-amused-at-first-but-i-now-i-am-about-to-start-reporting-you-guys/
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Good observattion, Nathan.
Now, ask yourself: what has changed in you life and gambling history since 2018 that allows you to no longer believe asking others to play on your card is anything other than, as you said, "shocking and disgusting and appalling?"
"know Thyself." ... *a philosophical maxim which was inscribed upon the Temple of Apollo in the ancient Greek precinct of Delphi*
Quote: MrVQuote: NathanSpeaking of me asking random people to play on my Player's Club Card, I had the complete opposite thinking in 2018 when a Woman was approached by two different people asking her to play on their cards. My reaction was something like,"People ask random people to play on their Player's Club Card? How appalling (Shocking and disgusting) Cut to a few years later, I ended up doing the same exact thing that I at first found appalling.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/28302-i-was-amused-at-first-but-i-now-i-am-about-to-start-reporting-you-guys/
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Good observattion, Nathan.
Now, ask yourself: what has changed in you life and gambling history since 2018 that allows you to no longer believe asking others to play on your card is anything other than, as you said, "shocking and disgusting and appalling?"
"know Thyself." ... *a philosophical maxim which was inscribed upon the Temple of Apollo in the ancient Greek precinct of Delphi*
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I am hazarding a guess that it's no different than any of us other mortals.
"That's disgusting someone is leaching off another person to profit. Oh, wait, I can do it too? Oh, it's fine in that case"
Sure, could be...
Quote: MrVQuote: NathanSpeaking of me asking random people to play on my Player's Club Card, I had the complete opposite thinking in 2018 when a Woman was approached by two different people asking her to play on their cards. My reaction was something like,"People ask random people to play on their Player's Club Card? How appalling (Shocking and disgusting) Cut to a few years later, I ended up doing the same exact thing that I at first found appalling.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/28302-i-was-amused-at-first-but-i-now-i-am-about-to-start-reporting-you-guys/
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Good observattion, Nathan.
Now, ask yourself: what has changed in you life and gambling history since 2018 that allows you to no longer believe asking others to play on your card is anything other than, as you said, "shocking and disgusting and appalling?"
"know Thyself." ... *a philosophical maxim which was inscribed upon the Temple of Apollo in the ancient Greek precinct of Delphi*
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I fully realized I could get free play, points, Promotions, giveaways, and Comps by using other people's money and not having to use my own money. It worked until I got a 24 hour ban from a Casino for doing just that and a warning that if I ever did this again, it will be a permanent ban. The old adage,"It works until it doesn't work," came true for me..
I bet that you read here that some AP's claim to make a lot of money doing it, so you decided to give it a shot.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained, eh?
Nathan, are you trying to move from being a recreational gambler to being an advantage player, and if so, how?
Quote: MrVGot it.
I bet that you read here that some AP's claim to make a lot of money doing it, so you decided to give it a shot.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained, eh?
Nathan, are you trying to move from being a recreational gambler to being an advantage player, and if so, how?
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I don't know any who claimed to make a lot of money doing point hustling.
I got my start a decade ago doing it and being homeless built up a bankroll doing it. We're talking small bankroll but it was big for where I started from.
Also I mixed it with multicarding. I wasn't just getting points on my own card but About 12 peoples cards so mixing up two separate plays.
Nathan was ecstatic about 5 bingo cards free by using other people's coin in. Imagine if she was able to get 120 bingo cards the same way?
From her comments she does have an interest in AP but not at the cost of becoming persona non grata at the casino so that pretty much cuts her AP potential to practically zero.
In AP, either take the heat or get out the kitchen
Here's an oldie but a goodie. It's Bingo on a slot machine.
Quote: darkozQuote: MrVGot it.
I bet that you read here that some AP's claim to make a lot of money doing it, so you decided to give it a shot.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained, eh?
Nathan, are you trying to move from being a recreational gambler to being an advantage player, and if so, how?
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I don't know any who claimed to make a lot of money doing point hustling.
I got my start a decade ago doing it and being homeless built up a bankroll doing it. We're talking small bankroll but it was big for where I started from.
Also I mixed it with multicarding. I wasn't just getting points on my own card but About 12 peoples cards so mixing up two separate plays.
Nathan was ecstatic about 5 bingo cards free by using other people's coin in. Imagine if she was able to get 120 bingo cards the same way?
From her comments she does have an interest in AP but not at the cost of becoming persona non grata at the casino so that pretty much cuts her AP potential to practically zero.
In AP, either take the heat or get out the kitchen
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Yep, not willing to risk a permanent ban for asking random people to play on my Player's Club Card. It was fun while it lasted. Well, at least the Casino thinks that was my first time ever asking random people to play on my Player's Club Card, but I had actually been asking a LOT of people to play on my Player's Club Card, but the time I got caught and got the 24 hour ban was the first time I got caught.
Go to player's services and tell them you need a duplicate card.
When you leave the casino and are no longer playing on your own card. put it in a slot in the high limit room: act like you're going to play but then snap your fingers, get up and leave the casino, with the card in the machine.
While not likely, some unsuspectiong souls might put a lot of action through the machine before the card is removed.
Best of all: plausible deniablility if security ever catches on.
Quote: ChumpChangeThe points could be stolen by someone else to buy a burger. Don't lose your card.
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Bah phooey.
The last dozen places I've been require a PIN to print a voucher at a kiosk, or check for matching ID at the snack bar, or both.
Quote: DieterQuote: ChumpChangeThe points could be stolen by someone else to buy a burger. Don't lose your card.
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Bah phooey.
The last dozen places I've been require a PIN to print a voucher at a kiosk, or check for matching ID at the snack bar, or both.
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Hmm. I used my food comps twice at a Casino bar and nobody checked ID. It was kind of creepy. Anyone could have found a random lost card and wiped out their food comps since they don't check ID at the bar.
Quote: MrVNathan, try this...
Go to player's services and tell them you need a duplicate card.
When you leave the casino and are no longer playing on your own card. put it in a slot in the high limit room: act like you're going to play but then snap your fingers, get up and leave the casino, with the card in the machine.
While not likely, some unsuspectiong souls might put a lot of action through the machine before the card is removed.
Best of all: plausible deniablility if security ever catches on.
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If you leave your card in a machine after just a few minutes the card reader will start to flash red and the card has to be taken out and reinserted.
Quote: vegasIf you leave your card in a machine after just a few minutes the card reader will start to flash red and the card has to be taken out and reinserted.
Oh.
So much need, so few opportunities.
Quote: NathanQuote: DieterQuote: ChumpChangeThe points could be stolen by someone else to buy a burger. Don't lose your card.
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Bah phooey.
The last dozen places I've been require a PIN to print a voucher at a kiosk, or check for matching ID at the snack bar, or both.
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Hmm. I used my food comps twice at a Casino bar and nobody checked ID. It was kind of creepy. Anyone could have found a random lost card and wiped out their food comps since they don't check ID at the bar.
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I'll remember this if I ever get down your way.
Quote: NathanQuote: DieterQuote: ChumpChangeThe points could be stolen by someone else to buy a burger. Don't lose your card.
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Bah phooey.
The last dozen places I've been require a PIN to print a voucher at a kiosk, or check for matching ID at the snack bar, or both.
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Hmm. I used my food comps twice at a Casino bar and nobody checked ID. It was kind of creepy. Anyone could have found a random lost card and wiped out their food comps since they don't check ID at the bar.
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My casino either checks my photo ID, or if there is a touchpad thingie, I have to enter my password.
Quote: ChumpChangeIf you leave your card in the high limit video poker machine, somebody will likely get a hand pay and then you'll be searched out for taxes if your card is active. Even so, 100 spins at $25 a pull may only get you $4 to $8 of points.
I don't agree with this at all. Having worked with Las Vegas casinos for over 25 years I have never heard of anyone trying to track down the player card owner unless they believe there was some sort of cheating going on.
Quote: ChumpChangeIf you leave your card in the high limit video poker machine, somebody will likely get a hand pay and then you'll be searched out for taxes if your card is active. Even so, 100 spins at $25 a pull may only get you $4 to $8 of points.
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Totally incorrect.
The person pushing the button pays the taxes. Not the name on the player's card.
I have seen places that turn off cards if a jackpot is won on someone else card but taxes won on other people's cards are no issue
Quote: darkozThe person pushing the button pays the taxes. Not the name on the player's card.
Not always.
Here's an extreme example.
Billy Billionaire is playing the $5000.00 slots in the Wynn high limit room.
He's about to bet one credit when a fentanyl-addicted vulture who'd been watching him swoops in and pushes the button without Billy's permission.
The reels spin and...major jackpot...over a million smackers.
I'm quite certain the interloper would receive nothing but the bum's rush.
"hard cases make bad law"
Quote: MrVQuote: darkozThe person pushing the button pays the taxes. Not the name on the player's card.
Not always.
Here's an extreme example.
Billy Billionaire is playing the $5000.00 slots in the Wynn high limit room.
He's about to bet one credit when a fentanyl-addicted vulture who'd been watching him swoops in and pushes the button without Billy's permission.
The reels spin and...major jackpot...over a million smackers.
I'm quite certain the interloper would receive nothing but the bum's rush.
"hard cases make bad law"
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But that's just using criminal examples to justify possibilities. That can be done with anything.
However let's take your example just one teensy step further.
Billy billionaire is playing $5000 a spin. He believes a fentanyl addicted may bring him luck (or more likely some busy hot broad) and asks them to push the button with his permission.
Even with his money in the machine the person pushing the button can claim the whole jackpot.
This already has happened and the decision was such as described above. (Coincidentally at the same casino Nathan frequents)
https://wsvn.com/news/local/man-denied-100000-jackpot-because-woman-pushed-the-button/
Quote: NathanA Woman said something like,"I was playing China Shores. I got the Free Games Bonus and was asked if I wanted to choose the Cash prize or the Free Spins. I was just about to choose,"Free Spins," when a hand came out of nowhere and pressed,"Cash prize." The cash prize gave me the LOWEST amount. I was LIVID. I beat up the guy who made me get the lowest Cash prize against my wishes or permission. Casino Staff came by and acknowledged that this guy had been randomly pressing cash out on multiple slots and had been reported by other Players. The Casino Staff not only didn't punish me for beating him up, they made an estimated guess what my payout would have been for the Free Spins had the guy not chose Cash prize for me and they gave me the estimate in free play and apologized for the guy hitting Cash prize for me. They banned the guy for life."
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I’m interested in the ‘beat up’ part of the story. The ‘woman’ used physical force on a non violent jerk? The guy pushed a button and she ‘beat him up’? Sounds fishy….
In the eye.
The right eye.
Quote: NathanWent to the Casino for Bingo. Got 4 extra Bingo cards besides my free Bingo card, for 5 Bingo cards, lost by ONE number on consecutive drawings. :( REALLY messed up. :(
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These are preprinted cards, right?
Quote: DieterQuote: NathanWent to the Casino for Bingo. Got 4 extra Bingo cards besides my free Bingo card, for 5 Bingo cards, lost by ONE number on consecutive drawings. :( REALLY messed up. :(
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These are preprinted cards, right?
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Yes, the Bingo cards are all preprinted. Aren't all Bingo cards preprinted?
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Yes, the Bingo cards are all preprinted. Aren't all Bingo cards preprinted?
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Electronic bingo cards aren’t printed. My local bingo hall plays a game called "lucky 7", where you write 7 numbers on a card with a carbon copy and place the original in a locked box.
Quote: NathanQuote: DieterQuote: NathanWent to the Casino for Bingo. Got 4 extra Bingo cards besides my free Bingo card, for 5 Bingo cards, lost by ONE number on consecutive drawings. :( REALLY messed up. :(
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These are preprinted cards, right?
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Yes, the Bingo cards are all preprinted. Aren't all Bingo cards preprinted?
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Like miplet said, no.
Pretty sure I heard of a cheat where someone filled out their blank card as the balls were drawn.
They got away with "forgetting" to deposit the carbon and dupe in the lockbox 3 or 4 times before getting permanently banned.
As for electronic paper, I consider the pregenerated cards to be functionally the same as preprinted. There might be a system that generates cards randomly at game time, but I seriously doubt it.
Quote: mipletQuote: Nathan
Yes, the Bingo cards are all preprinted. Aren't all Bingo cards preprinted?
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Electronic bingo cards aren’t printed. My local bingo hall plays a game called "lucky 7", where you write 7 numbers on a card with a carbon copy and place the original in a locked box.
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The Bingo games I play are paper related. The Casino has like say 5,000 preprinted paper Bingo cards and every hour the Casino Staff Member picks 25 random Bingo numbers by hand and says stuff like,"B 1, B 10,B 15, I 16, I 20, N 36, G 55, O 68, " while another Casino Staff Member inputs the called numbers on a board.
