Nathan's Corner
Quote: djatcmeanwhile I think MyVegas is super rigged, worse than casinos. At least when I used to play years ago.
At least MyVegas gives real world Casino comps for winning money on their free app. :P
Quote: NathanShould a certain Casino have been held liable? There was a story where a wealthy man lost almost a million on high and stupid bets. He was already drunk and the Casinos kept plying him with more alcohol, hence him making stupid bets. As soon as he sobered up, and realized that he lost almost a million he sued the Casino for giving him more alcohol when he was already drunk. The Casinos countered with "We're not his parents. We shouldn't have to tell an adult to stop drinking and stop playing." IIRC, the Casino staff admitted they knew he was going to come after them so bad for his lost money when he sobered up and realized the hefty loss, and that's hat happened. The Court ruled in the Casino's favor and he lost twice. I think it's wrong to give an already drunk man more alcohol, but they did have a point he could have stopped drinking and stopped playing. It really is a gray area. :/
I agree with the court's decision. It is called individual responsibility. I disagree with your phrase "the Casino kept plying him with more alcohol". Unless they were forcing him to drink in some way, served alcohol when he asked for a non alcoholic drink, then the correct phrase is "the Casino kept serving him alcohol". There are laws in certain venues about not serving an already clearly intoxicated person more alcohol. If that law was broken then those who perpetuated the act (serving him more alcohol) should be arrested. Seeing no jurisdiction has chosen to make such an arrest, it will be tough for the loser to get his money back.
If you think about it, the casinos give free alcohol EVERY DAY in the hopes that it results in more gambling and poorer decisions. Good luck trying to figure out exactly which drink was the one that crossed the line.
What other laws does this apply to?
In NY, not only can the bartender be arrested, but the owners can be sued if the drunk guy hurts someone.
If the tape of the man's play shows he had six drinks in three hours, one can argue sobriety. When it shows he had five bottles of Gray Goose and a dozen beer chasers, there is no argument.
Quote: billryanYou acknowledge the casino broke the law by serving him, but because no jurisdiction prosecuted them, it's okay?
What other laws does this apply to?
In NY, not only can the bartender be arrested, but the owners can be sued if the drunk guy hurts someone.
If the tape of the man's play shows he had six drinks in three hours, one can argue sobriety. When it shows he had five bottles of Gray Goose and a dozen beer chasers, there is no argument.
No, he said IF the law was broken, the perpetrators should be arrested.
Since no one was arrested, the conclusion you might reach is that no law was broken.
As an aside, if he was staying in that casino, and had no car registered in the garage, I think that law which is about bartenders serving alcohol to people who are already drunk, who might be reasonably expected to be driving later, may not quite apply to the situation.
Only times I’ve seen someone get cut off is when they start being a problem, as in rude, loud, etc. But you can be falling over yourself, drink in hand, while they’re pouring you another.
Of course the courts are going to side with the casino, especially on a law that isn’t ever enforced.
Quote: Dalex64No, he said IF the law was broken, the perpetrators should be arrested.
Since no one was arrested, the conclusion you might reach is that no law was broken.
As an aside, if he was staying in that casino, and had no car registered in the garage, I think that law which is about bartenders serving alcohol to people who are already drunk, who might be reasonably expected to be driving later, may not quite apply to the situation.
You are mistaken. The dram laws apply equally across the board, if the person is walking or driving.
There are hundreds of unsolved murders. Are they not crimes simply because no one was arrested.
It is illegal to serve visibly intoxicated patrons. Walking, driving, wheel chair bound.
Quote: billryan
It is illegal to serve visibly intoxicated patrons. Walking, driving, wheel chair bound.
I am not aware of any laws in Nevada that say it is illegal to serve a visibly drunk person alcohol. If there are, I would like to read them. In Nevada casinos are supposed to abide by Responsible Gaming policies as defined by Nevada Gaming, and almost every customer facing casino employee is required to annually go through a Responsible Gaming class. For the last couple of years I have given that class to the casinos run by my company.
Quote: DRichI am not aware of any laws in Nevada that say it is illegal to serve a visibly drunk person alcohol. If there are, I would like to read them. In Nevada casinos are supposed to abide by Responsible Gaming policies as defined by Nevada Gaming, and almost every customer facing casino employee is required to annually go through a Responsible Gaming class. For the last couple of years I have given that class to the casinos run by my company.
Gee, what a surprise (not): Nevada is one of a handful of states without a dram shop liability law (except in regard to serving those under 21).
see: article
As for Responsible Gaming policies, my cursory research shows its scope and focus is limited to problem gamblers, not drunks.
So is there no legal recourse for someone who is overserved and while drunk gambles away the family fortune?
Probably not, although I wonder whether a sharp attorney might be able to get a case to the jury using a common law theory such as the tort of outrage / intentional infliction of emotional distress?
I'd be surprised to see it as it seems the courts in Nevada seem to be protective of the casinos and as such would not be inclined to allow Ma and Pa Kettle the chance to cut off a piece of the fat hog for themselves.
With that said, I had no idea Nevada didn't have similar laws.
Quote: NathanWow! A slot I don't like all that much, Pharaoh's Fortune really came through for me with really good wins and boosted my bankroll(Well, free play money) last night! :D And my go to machine, Lotus Flower ATE my bankroll/free play money for the most part. :/ Lotus Flower only got decent right before I left. Even a blind squirrel eventually finds a nut or however that saying goes(Pharaoh's Fortune) ;) Right before I left PF went right back into eating my bankroll/free play, but those good wins funded my play so I still left with more than I came in with. :)
Nice hit!!!
Quote: RSNice hit!!!
Thanks! :D It was odd that a machine I don't like all that much and one that is my go to machine switched payouts on me! Ironic!
Quote: NathanThanks! :D It was odd that a machine I don't like all that much and one that is my go to machine switched payouts on me! Ironic!
It’s almost like it’s random or something...
Quote: Nathan
I predict that either 814, 816, 128, 864, 863, 200, 201, 135, 111, 132, 311, 167, 146, 419, will come up very soon in Pick 3. I predict either 2016, 1211, 1217, 5013, 3603, 1133, 1312, 1873, , 8840, 1630, MAYBE 1506(But this number is a longshot as it hasn't come up in over 3 years) will come up soon in Pick 4. I predict either 84 or 86 will come up very soon in Pick 2. Disclaimer. I am talking about Box when I make my predictions except for 111 which is a straight number
Also, this is only for Florida Lottery Numbers. Also by "Very soon," I mean within two weeks. In fact, if neither of my Pick 3 or Pick 4 predictions show up within two weeks I promise to donate $100 to next year's WOV Spring Event. Pick 2 is way too easy so I decided to add more juice. :)
Pick 4 Results
08/08/18 noon 0158 : FAIL
08/08/18 pm 9347 : FAIL
08/09/18 noon 2372 : FAIL
08/09/18 pm 4424 : FAIL
08/10/18 noon 0057 : FAIL
08/10/18 pm 1871 : FAIL
08/11/18 noon 4716 : FAIL
08/11/18 pm 6687 : FAIL
08/12/18 noon 4551 : FAIL
08/12/18 pm 2925 : FAIL
08/13/18 noon 8811 : FAIL
08/13/18 pm 5836 : FAIL
08/14/18 noon 1624 : FAIL
08/14/18 pm 0102 : FAIL
08/15/18 noon 9634 : FAIL
08/15/18 pm 9418 : FAIL
08/16/18 noon 7903 : FAIL
08/16/18 pm 5590 : FAIL
08/17/18 noon 9972 : FAIL
08/17/18 pm 6782 : FAIL
08/18/18 noon 7834 : FAIL
08/18/18 pm 7765 : FAIL
08/19/18 noon 9952 : FAIL
08/19/18 pm 5750 : FAIL
08/20/18 noon 5617 : FAIL
08/20/18 pm 5057 : FAIL
08/21/18 noon 9686 : FAIL
08/21/18 pm 0640 : FAIL
Pick 3 Results
08/08/18 noon 220 : FAIL
08/08/18 pm 443 : FAIL
08/09/18 noon 772 : FAIL
08/09/18 pm 101 : FAIL
08/10/18 noon 975 : FAIL
08/10/18 pm 918 : FAIL
08/11/18 noon 151 : FAIL
08/11/18 pm 695 : FAIL
08/12/18 noon 052 : FAIL
08/12/18 pm 121 : FAIL
08/13/18 noon 877 : FAIL
08/13/18 pm 829 : FAIL
08/14/18 noon 276 : FAIL
08/14/18 pm 151 : FAIL
08/15/18 noon 679 : FAIL
08/15/18 pm 720 : FAIL
08/16/18 noon 280 : FAIL
08/16/18 pm 594 : FAIL
08/17/18 noon 202 : FAIL
08/17/18 pm 612 : FAIL
08/18/18 noon 359 : FAIL
08/18/18 pm 211 : FAIL
08/19/18 noon 517 : FAIL
08/19/18 pm 767 : FAIL
08/20/18 noon 966 : FAIL
08/20/18 pm 771 : FAIL
08/21/18 noon 656 : FAIL
08/2`/18 pm 963 : FAIL
OH YES. Someone is still keeping track and will ensure you are held to account here and there.
Good luck. You'll need it.
Quote: OnceDearPick 4 Results
08/08/18 noon 0158 : FAIL
08/08/18 pm 9347 : FAIL
08/09/18 noon 2372 : FAIL
08/09/18 pm 4424 : FAIL
08/10/18 noon 0057 : FAIL
08/10/18 pm 1871 : FAIL
08/11/18 noon 4716 : FAIL
08/11/18 pm 6687 : FAIL
08/12/18 noon 4551 : FAIL
08/12/18 pm 2925 : FAIL
08/13/18 noon 8811 : FAIL
08/13/18 pm 5836 : FAIL
08/14/18 noon 1624 : FAIL
08/14/18 pm 0102 : FAIL
08/15/18 noon 9634 : FAIL
Pick 3 Results
08/09/18 noon 772 : FAIL
08/08/18 pm 443 : FAIL
08/10/18 noon 975 : FAIL
08/09/18 pm 101 : FAIL
08/11/18 noon 151 : FAIL
08/10/18 pm 918 : FAIL
08/12/18 noon 052 : FAIL
08/11/18 pm 695 : FAIL
08/13/18 noon 877 : FAIL
08/12/18 pm 121 : FAIL
08/14/18 noon 276 : FAIL
08/14/18 pm 829 : FAIL
08/14/18 pm 151 : FAIL
08/15/18 noon 679 : FAIL
OH YES. Someone is still keeping track and will ensure you are held to account here and there.
Good luck. You'll need it.
But to be fair, I was dangerously close multiple times, being one digit off
;)Where I messed up was not including Pick 2 because 84 Pick 2 showed up almost a week ago. I got overconfident that my Pick 3 and Pick 4 would show up. They haven't yet. Still have a week left! ;)
Close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades. I'm sure you can save $100 just in pocket change by the time you have to pay up anyways. Even your share from the cooperation game could grow to cover it, who knows. Don't use being in the hospital, lost job, any excuse, but you probably will.Quote: NathanBut to be fair, I was dangerously close multiple times, being one digit off
;)Where I messed up was not including Pick 2 because 84 Pick 2 showed up almost a week ago. I got overconfident that my Pick 3 and Pick 4 would show up. They haven't yet. Still have a week left! ;)
Quote: NathanBut to be fair, I was dangerously close multiple times, being one digit off
;)Where I messed up was not including Pick 2 because 84 showed up almost a week ago. I got overconfident that my Pick 3 and Pick 4 would show up. They haven't yet. Still have a week left! ;)
No. To be fair, there is no such thing as close with a lottery: You get the numbers or you don't. So far, you haven't.
You haven't lost yet and in truth, I expect you'll get away with this. But success isn't a financial win and failure would cost you a real loss of your $200.
You have risked that $200 as the price to pay for a bit of attention on a couple of forums. It was up to you to decide if that was good value.
You could have forecast that one of a MASSIVE list of forecast numbers would come up. You could have picked all, or nearly all pick 2 combos. That post would have been pointless.
She's told another forum that she will give $100 to the owner on the same terms. So she's on the hook for a potential $200. If one of her numbers comes up, she will win $0.Quote: onenickelmiracleClose only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades. I'm sure you can save $100 just in pocket change by the time you have to pay up anyways. Even your share from the cooperation game could grow to cover it, who knows. Don't use being in the hospital, lost job, any excuse, but you probably will.
I agree that there would be no acceptable excuse for welshing if she loses. Some might say it's not a proper debt or bet, but I'd assert that it's just as valid as if she'd entered into an even money wager.
Quote: NathanIt was odd that a machine I don't like all that much and one that is my go to machine switched payouts on me! Ironic!
What are the odds?
Reminds me of my sister long ago, she used to offer pretty good money to help her to get things done, then when I helped, I found out it was actually God paying the bill. LMAO. "God will pay you".Quote: OnceDearShe's told another forum that she will give $100 to the owner on the same terms. So she's on the hook for a potential $200. If one of her numbers comes up, she will win $0.
I agree that there would be no acceptable excuse for welshing if she loses. Some might say it's not a proper debt or bet, but I'd assert that it's just as valid as if she'd entered into an even money wager.
Quote: OnceDearPick 4 Results
08/08/18 noon 0158 : FAIL
08/08/18 pm 9347 : FAIL
08/09/18 noon 2372 : FAIL
08/09/18 pm 4424 : FAIL
08/10/18 noon 0057 : FAIL
08/10/18 pm 1871 : FAIL
08/11/18 noon 4716 : FAIL
08/11/18 pm 6687 : FAIL
08/12/18 noon 4551 : FAIL
08/12/18 pm 2925 : FAIL
08/13/18 noon 8811 : FAIL
08/13/18 pm 5836 : FAIL
08/14/18 noon 1624 : FAIL
08/14/18 pm 0102 : FAIL
08/15/18 noon 9634 : FAIL
Pick 3 Results
08/09/18 noon 772 : FAIL
08/08/18 pm 443 : FAIL
08/10/18 noon 975 : FAIL
08/09/18 pm 101 : FAIL
08/11/18 noon 151 : FAIL
08/10/18 pm 918 : FAIL
08/12/18 noon 052 : FAIL
08/11/18 pm 695 : FAIL
08/13/18 noon 877 : FAIL
08/12/18 pm 121 : FAIL
08/14/18 noon 276 : FAIL
08/14/18 pm 829 : FAIL
08/14/18 pm 151 : FAIL
08/15/18 noon 679 : FAIL
OH YES. Someone is still keeping track and will ensure you are held to account here and there.
Good luck. You'll need it.
Win or lose Nathan is the winner. You are looking foolish. I believe Nathan has accomplished the objective.
Quote: onenickelmiracleReminds me of my sister long ago, she used to offer pretty good money to help her to get things done, then when I helped, I found out it was actually God paying the bill. LMAO. "God will pay you".
LMAO! :D But seriously, what is the maximum appropriate timing to pay up for the WOV Spring Fling Event if I lose? Next paycheck(The week I possibly lose) is my Utilities check, can I pay up on the paycheck on like September 17th?
Beats me. I think you should transfer the guarantee, from going to the Spring Fling you won't be attending, to the biggest loser and most average in the WOV NFL picks game. At least this way, you have a shot to win your money back.Quote: NathanLMAO! :D But seriously, what is the maximum appropriate timing to pay up for the WOV Spring Fling Event if I lose? Next paycheck(The week I possibly lose) is my Utilities check, can I pay up on the paycheck on like September 17th?
Quote: onenickelmiracleBeats me. I think you should transfer the guarantee, from going to the Spring Fling you won't be attending, to the biggest loser and most average in the WOV NFL picks game. At least this way, you have a shot to win your money back.
Yeah but I already promised $100 to next year's WOV Spring Fling Event if I lose. 7 days ago I was completely sure I had the Numbers in the bag but 7 days in I am not sure anymore. On a side note, the WOV NFL picks was made after I promised the money to the Spring Fling Event. I think a smarter bet would have been to promise $50 to each things if I lose rather than $100 to each.
$3/week? Nathan isn't a millionaire.Quote: billryanSet up a payment plan. $3 a week should cover it. As OD is so involved in this, I volunteer him to act as the person you send the money to. If he wants to play den mother, I say let him. I recently found a quarter. Couldn't decide what to do with it, but I'm willing to donate it to such a worthy cause.
Quote: onenickelmiracle$3/week? Nathan isn't a millionaire.
LMAO! :D But seriously, I do think a payment plan might be good where I donate say $20 every week until the $100 is paid off would be good. Green Members, especially the Forest Green Member, what do you guys think? :)
Quote: mcallister3200As a blue member it’s probably best to not make bets where you cannot win anything, but can lose. Like don’t bet $100 to win $0.
This is Nathan’s corner not the logic corner. I’ll have to get OnceDear to suspend you if you bring that logic in this thread again. 😛
Quote: billryanNever allow your mouth write checks your ass can't cover.
At the time I made the bet, I was completely sure at least one of these numbers were coming up very soon. That was 8 days ago. My numbers keep being one digit off from the numbers that showed up. The closest I came was predicting 111 would come up. 101 showed up.
On a hilarious side note, this is exactly why One Off was invented because people who had say 635 were livid when 634 or 636 showed up. So One Off was invented so you still get SOMETHING if you are one off from your chosen number. They also made the pot sweeter adding in you also get SOMETHING if say 544 or 523 show up. Each number is one down from your chosen numbers. Also works in the up too. 743 or 747. ;) And then they added this tricky but good thing where 545/ 546 shows up and you still win SOMETHING.
SOMETHING being more like $5 on a $1 ticket. There are people presumably grumbling that $5 on a $1 ticket is not a really good win but the alternate is not getting any money at all like it used to be before One Off. If you were one off in say 2010 you lost with no money won. At least with One Off you get $5. :) But I think if you are literally one off like 101 for 111 you get $250 or if 111 shows up, $250 or something like that.
, almost a gigabyte, no, just no!) My Keno App is only about 105 MB, so I could download more than 8 Keno Apps for one Slot App. :/ Anyway, I got a Roulette App in place of the blasted Slot App. I always thought Roulette was daunting but the app makes it seem easy. I started with 5,000 virtual Chips and got those Chips all the way up to over $200,000 but now I am down to roughly 6,000 after betting on Numbers that didn't win. Still a little more than my opening amount of Chips. Roulette is like a fancy version of Lottery. :) I am not sure that I am going to go play real Roulette in the real world Casino, but it does seem fun and not as daunting as it seemed and seems fun. :)
Quote: NathanDid I get this right? An AP is someone who plays $1,000, but a Whale is someone who plays a million.
No, they don't have any relation to each other like that. AP regardless of amount is a play that is somehow to a player advantage. Whale is based on the money value to a casino - million would be arbitrary amount. Might be less, might be more, might be over time, all at once, might be different for each casino. There's no one amount.
That an extreme example of being an AP.
Anthony Curtis used a similar play to start his publishing company.
Here are my extremely good wins.
$250 on a .75 bet on Lotus Flower
$150 on a .20 bet on Lotus Flower
$100 on a .20 bet on Cleopatra 2
$100 on a .25 bet on Wild Wolf.
:)
Quote: onenickelmiracleWhat about this $1 you always bet?
I don't ALWAYS bet $1. I often bet all the lines times 1, and sometimes all lines is $1. It usually is .20, .25.30, .40, or .50, sometimes .88 But at times I mix it up and play 2 lines at 10 times ,.(20) or play 15 lines times 5(.75) , or 3 times 5 on a 5 cent machine(.75). :)
Quote: NathanSo, bad news, it looks like I just might lose the bet. :/ Only 2 more days left. :/ But, good news. I have until like April next year to pay the bet. :)
Go double or nothing.
Quote: billryanGo double or nothing.
I was thinking about something like that. Stretching the numbers to another two weeks and if they don't win, paying $200 for the Spring Fling Event next year but I don't know if that will fly considering I already promised to pay $100 if the numbers don't show up within two weeks(Day 12 now) This isn't the Cooperation Game where you could change promises. ;)
Surely not acceptable. Nathan's probability of winning would be greater than 50% so she would be demanding what would be a good bet for her.Quote: NathanI was thinking about something like that. Stretching the numbers to another two weeks and if they don't win, paying $200 for the Spring Fling Event next year but I don't know if that will fly considering I already promised to pay $100 if the numbers don't show up within two weeks(Day 12 now) This isn't the Cooperation Game where you could change promises. ;)
I think it's debatable how much time she should be given to square up any resulting loss. She believes she has until spring, but I reckon 30 days after losing the bet should be the max. After all, she might well be an ex-member by spring.
Truth is, she is still well placed to escape the loss.
