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June 14th, 2018 at 9:18:17 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

If the first video didn't convince you...



OMG, it's even more rehearsed than
the first one! It's less convincing,
not more. Listen to the pauses
on some of the words, like she's
never seen or heard these names
before.

"I'm also known as (stumbling pause
as she reads it) Nathan and Tasha."

She also stumbles over 'Vegas casino
(pause, lower octve) chat.'

This is exactly how people read things
they are not familiar with. If she is really
Nathan, she would need to be reading
nothing.
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June 14th, 2018 at 9:26:59 PM permalink
Perhaps these are parts 1 and 2 of a trilogy.
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June 14th, 2018 at 9:35:41 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

If the first video didn't convince you...


Direct: https://youtu.be/bD9GuDQO24A



How much more does a reasonable person need?


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June 14th, 2018 at 9:42:50 PM permalink
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Thatís a lot of plastic bag looking things sticking out of her pocketbook.

Filled with Oxy.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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June 14th, 2018 at 9:44:39 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

OMG, it's even more rehearsed than
the first one! It's less convincing,
not more. Listen to the pauses
on some of the words, like she's
never seen or heard these names
before.

"I'm also known as (stumbling pause
as she reads it) Nathan and Tasha."

She also stumbles over 'Vegas casino
(pause, lower octve) chat.'

This is exactly how people read things
they are not familiar with. If she is really
Nathan, she would need to be reading
nothing.

We diverge here. It's not worth going on about anymore for me, at this point. I was right to be suspicious, and I was right to not believe everything at first take. I'm not ashamed I was vocal about not being sold right away, but I would have been ashamed if I bought it right away like many of the rest. It's been a special case, nothing to be ashamed of to have your guard up.
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June 14th, 2018 at 9:44:59 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13



How much more does a reasonable person need?ZCore13



LOL! I'll call her myself on Skype, but
she'll never agree to that. Just wait.
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June 14th, 2018 at 9:57:25 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Perhaps these are parts 1 and 2 of a trilogy.

Isn't that actully video number 3, or was the first one the same as the second one, just a different distance? There was one I could only see her nose and mouth for the most part.

Hard to say since she says almost the exact same things in all of them. However, I can imagine some people have stage fright and this isn't somthing she enjoys doing.

That's looks like a nice phone.

I wish we could get a shot of her hobo bag instead of the swapmeet purse.

I'm not sure if I should feel sorry for Nathan for having to mess with all this or if she's getting a kick out of it all.


p.s. She also has nice hands. (-;
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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June 14th, 2018 at 9:57:25 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

LOL! I'll call her myself on Skype, but
she'll never agree to that. Just wait.

You might as well post a video yourself, or skype....wait a minute....you're hiring an actor.
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June 14th, 2018 at 10:00:12 PM permalink
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June 14th, 2018 at 10:00:19 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

How much more does a reasonable person need?


ZCore13


"Reasonable" is the keyword.

Quote: EvenBob

LOL! I'll call her myself on Skype, but
she'll never agree to that. Just wait.


ROFL, no one would agree to that.
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June 14th, 2018 at 10:11:29 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Isn't that actully video number 3, or was the first one the same as the second one, just a different distance? There was one I could only see her nose and mouth for the most part.

Hard to say since she says almost the exact same things in all of them. However, I can imagine some people have stage fright and this isn't somthing she enjoys doing.

That's looks like a nice phone.

I wish we could get a shot of her hobo bag instead of the swapmeet purse.

I'm not sure if I should feel sorry for Nathan for having to mess with all this or if she's getting a kick out of it all.


p.s. She also has nice hands. (-;



My Mom threw out my Miami Beach bag without my knowledge when I visited her earlier this year. I can't blame her as people were beginning to talk crap about that MB bag. I get compliments on the purse in the video, it just looks trashy in the video because of the plastic bags sticking out of it and the side profile of it. I should have thought more of the purse placement when doing the video.

Thanks for the compliments on my phone and hands! :)
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June 14th, 2018 at 10:28:15 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Of course.

Spike gets jealous when people other than himself are the focus of discussion.

It's all about getting attention.

I mean, who else would pontificate an opinion at pretty much every opportunity on any subject?

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Not that there's anything right with that.


Why the name Even Bob? Spike was a much better handle.
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June 14th, 2018 at 10:55:02 PM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Why the name Even Bob? Spike was a much better handle.



I assume when he joined, -5.26%Bob was already taken
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June 14th, 2018 at 11:11:02 PM permalink
Quote: Nathan

My Mom threw out my Miami Beach bag without my knowledge when I visited her earlier this year. I can't blame her as people were beginning to talk crap about that MB bag. I get compliments on the purse in the video, it just looks trashy in the video because of the plastic bags sticking out of it and the side profile of it. I should have thought more of the purse placement when doing the video.

Thanks for the compliments on my phone and hands! :)

I was not trying to dis on your purse. I can see how it is you took it that way.

When buying gifts for my girl one of my go-to gifts is a new purse. She won't let me spend more than $50 on a purse(she will try to take it back) she thinks it's insane to spend more than that on a purse. She has more expensive ones, but they just sit in whatever packaging they came in. The other day we had around 1k in Gucci credit. I asked if she would rather spend that, or we get half off in cash. Her response was," Do you have to ask? Take the cash(some sucker bought it (-; ).

Anyways, whenever I get her a new purse like I did the other day(looks kinda like this, https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1W6eAKFXXXXXDXXXXq6xXFXXXY/FREE-SHIPPING-GORGEOUS-LADY-S-PUNK-SKULL-STUDDED-CLUTCH-PURSE-WITH-CHAIN-TASSEL-IN-BLACK.jpg_640x640.jpg ) I go to the indoor swap meet where they have a huge selection of purses. I saw what looks like that exact same purse you have when I was there.
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June 15th, 2018 at 2:13:21 AM permalink
Is there any way we can invite kentry back and get him to make a video? It's the perfect trilogy ending.
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June 15th, 2018 at 2:56:18 AM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

Is there any way we can invite kentry back and get him to make a video? It's the perfect trilogy ending.

It's been so long I forgot, where was Kentry from, Florida?

I know Kentry and Nathan both love slotting, both ride the bus, both live with their mom(?), both had very similar writing styles, both had pet peeves with people asking for money and stuff like that. Both live on a low budget/wage.

Did Kentry like starting new threads(?)

You can probably look up Kentry's posting schedule and see if it's in line with Nathans.

I'm sure Mike can go back and do a little IP checky, checky.

Does anyone know at what rate a black females hair grows/ (-;

Again, Nathan knows if she ever admitted to being Kentry or any other member she would get the banhammer.

Perhaps The Wizard will give her a one time offer on a pass if she comes clean. ?????
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June 15th, 2018 at 3:04:28 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

It's been so long I forgot, where was Kentry from, Florida?

I know Kentry and Nathan both loved slots, both ride the bus, both live with their mom(?), both had very similar writing styles, both had pet peeves with people asking for money and stuff like that. Both live on a low budget/wage.

Did Kentry like starting new threads(?)

You can probably look up Kentry's posting schedule and see if it's in line with Nathans.

I'm sure Mike can go back and do a little IP checky, checky.

Does anyone know at what rate a black females har grows/ (-;

Again, Nathan knows if she ever admitted to being Kentry or any other member she would get the banhammer.

Kentry and Varmenti had their wrath back when I was on hiatus. I pick up the pieces a little here and there to understand by seeing the posts. Details like that, such as being from Florida, I guess, I'm not sure. I suspect someone else I know from other forums of being Kentry, his name is actually Ken. He used to do stuff like that for fun, posted about interactions with Russian bride spammers, it was pretty funny. So obviously, I don't suspect Nathan of being Kentry too much.

Lets say this, idea, invite Kentry, and Won back, then all three have to fight inside one thread, winner take all. When they're down to two, we tie their wrists together, then they have a knife fight in real life. lol.
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June 15th, 2018 at 4:41:02 AM permalink
I don't live with my Mom. I live with two roommates. I was staying with my Mom for a couple of days when she threw out my Miami Beach bag.
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June 15th, 2018 at 4:43:26 AM permalink
When does the Evenbob suspension start?
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June 15th, 2018 at 5:15:08 AM permalink
So, playing on my free slot app, the slot games that are similar to Fu Dao Le, 88 Fortunes, 5 Treasures, Good Fortune, etc have Progressives that go UP with your bet. In real life, Progressives don't go up with bet changes which I have always hated. For example, in 88 Fortunes, the Max Bet of $8.80 only nets you a Mini of $13. The Minimum bet nets you a Mini of $13. Something is really wrong there. In the slot app, a $500 bet nets you a Mini of roughly $5,000. A $5,000 win gives you a Mini of roughly $41,000. This is the way it should be with real world slots too.
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June 15th, 2018 at 5:53:00 AM permalink
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I don't live with my Mom. I live with two roommates. I was staying with my Mom for a couple of days when she threw out my Miami Beach bag.

Is mama going to be in your next video? You're not going to stop with the videos are you?
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June 15th, 2018 at 6:15:50 AM permalink
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p.s. She also has nice hands. (-;



Hey!
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June 15th, 2018 at 1:19:27 PM permalink
Quote: Nathan

I don't live with my Mom. I live with two roommates. I was staying with my Mom for a couple of days when she threw out my Miami Beach bag.

Yes, I notice that you had gone the extra mile to make it clear that you were just visiting. seems Suspicious (-;.

Are you saying she finally tossed you out after the self-inflicted haircut fiasco? (-;
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June 16th, 2018 at 6:23:35 AM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

I have a proposal. The Wizard of Odds Academy should stop making videos about Cubing and such, and instead make videos about Nathan. Because Nathan's video has excited far more comment than any of Michael Shackleford's videos have.

And to Bill Ryan, GWAE, Axel, RogerKint, EvenBob, OneNickleMiracle, Oncedear and Babs (and others): I respect most of you guys but you have spent the better part of 40 pages of this thread (especially EvenBob) claiming that Nathan is not a short, heavy black female from Florida who works for Walgreen's and challenging her to post a video of herself to prove that she is not a former member such as 1BB.

The Wiz contacted her and she apparently has provided him with such a video, and the Wiz has posted it.
- She does appear to be short, not slim, black and a female.
- I see nothing inconsistent with her being from Florida.
- She is wearing a Walgreen's shirt

Rather than acknowledging that Nathan has done the very thing that you challenged her to do, many of you have continued to "express your opinion" for another half-dozen pages that she has proved nothing and have implied that she is likely a fraud. You guys have been impolite and unwelcoming to a forum member who is different than you and who writes posts that are different than you would write.

I don't expect EvenBob to have any sense of shame but the rest of you? C'mon, this is becoming an astonishing spectacle and Nathan is not the spectacle.



I'll take a whack at this, and as this is her thread, I hope Nathan sees this...

The issue here is one of history. There is a notable group of WoV detractors all over the gambling forum scene who have for years beyond count tried to damage WoV and its members and mods. Threats have been made on members and mods personal safety, communications have come directly to doors of members and mods, threats have been bandied about from time to time. Some of these actions have been serious-borderline-criminal in nature, others merely harassment to general internet tomfoolery. But it does exist, and has been going strong for near a decade.

The idea that someone could generate some sort of silly long con meant to dupe members and mods by way of creating a character meant to draw attention and stir pots, though about as ridiculous a thing as one can imagine, is so within the realm of this years long game that I do not blame those who remain skeptical. I will admit that I include myself in that group.

IIRC, Nathan has had issues with lying. In and of itself, not a violation nor something I would dream involving myself in. But her lies have resulted in real world strife, again, IIRC. Besides a member wasting their time on a meet up, I thought I recall some sort of giveaway claim that folks spent real time chasing that turned out to be false. On one hand, this could have been a simple mistake needing no more than an "oops" and an apology. On the other, it's the exact type of malicious misdirection that detractors of this site would use to screw the members.

It's that danger to the members that has made me personally reluctant to react, and due to this situation and Nathan's history of falsities, is why I still have not. I've no problem with the character of Nathan. Were she a genuine person, I find her observations on the world to be a bit endearing. And if she is indeed a real person, then I would be the first to apologize for my lack of action, the disbelief of the forum, and the conduct that's been allowed to happen so far. But until I can justify it to the sceptic in my head, I am and will remain suspicious.

The video was nice, but give me 5 minutes and I'll return with actual footage of EvenBob. He's actually a 35yr old Italian meathead from NY, and you can trust it's him because I said so. See how that holds no water?

I suppose this all is of little consolation, because it doesn't make me feel better, either. It reminds me of internment, whereby I am party to restricting someone or otherwise allowing unfair treatment based solely off fear. And to have me argue FOR it just about makes me actually nauseous. But inaction, taking a position of "wait in see", is the only thing I know to do. For better or worse. Apologies to both you and her, and anyone else bothered by this situation, for my failure to find a better way.
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June 16th, 2018 at 6:53:44 AM permalink
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I bet you wonder if you really are paying for premium gas from the pump



I've wondered that!

A friend's son worked at a big sushi restaurant. They had two different soy sauces on the table, one regular and the other low sodium. One of his jobs was to fill the little bottles from the big bottle. Both the low sodium and regular were filled from the same big bottle......
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June 16th, 2018 at 6:58:28 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I've wondered that!

A friend's son worked at a big sushi restaurant. They had two different soy sauces on the table, one regular and the other low sodium. One of his jobs was to fill the little bottles from the big bottle. Both the low sodium and regular were filled from the same big bottle......



Yeah but if you only fill the low sodium bottle 3/4 of the way you save 25% of the sodium.
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June 16th, 2018 at 7:01:25 AM permalink
Time to come clean about something. Really clean. Like Zestfully Clean(Remember the "You're not clean until you're Zestfully Clean? Soap Jingle? ;)

When I portrayed a man at first I had no intention of meeting people from this board in real life. I usually don't meet people I know from online. I role played as a guy in my real life so it spilled on my online persona too. I thought there was no harm in pretending to be a guy on here. There is the fact that Nathaniel is one of my favorite names, so I chose Nathan as a nickname of Nathaniel. In hindsight, since I like Nathaniel so much I should have just went with Nathaniel rather than Nathan. My signature mentions that I am a woman who likes the name Nathaniel to clear up/prevent confusion.

With the Aimee thing, I really did think she was a nice, sweet, friendly girl who was legitimate, which is why I stood up for her. I acted like a guy in that situation, but I did honestly like the Aimee character.(Read my reasons above again, ;) The "Hi I'm Nathan," thread was meant as a spoof of the "Hi, I'm Aimee," thread.

When I agreed to meet WON, I was trying to give him a cute surprise that backfired big time on me. Someone even said something like,"You could have PM'd him while he was there and said,"Okay, I'm a female." I wish I had done that.

The infamous Bad Casino Giveaways," thread was started because I didn't know that only one box had the $100 Macy's gift card and most boxes only had a candle. I honestly thought all the boxes had the gift card.

It still was kind of bad because you had to spend $500 coin in(100 points was the requirement and a point is $5 each) to get a CHANCE of getting a $100 gift card. You most likely would get a candle instead. Wow. $500 coin in for a candle. WON did research and called me out for being a Troll. I wasn't being a Troll, I honestly thought all the boxes had the gift card. I meant to write,"I am so sorry. I thought all of them had the gift card," but fell asleep. As soon as I woke up, I immediately thought,"Time to post my apologies and my explanation!" But I saw a post saying I was banned for a week for Trolling for not telling the whole truth of the gift card promotion. Ouch.
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June 16th, 2018 at 7:17:12 AM permalink
Everyone is spending all this time wondering if someone is concocting this elaborate scheme to waste their time. Don't you get by now that it doesn't matter. You've already lost.

How many times does it need to be said - just block the thread and the poster.

I understand the admins aren't able to do that. But do the admins read every single post in every other thread? Admins, can't you just stop by if there's an issue?

I'm just going to welcome Nathan to the forum. If she turns out to be Kentry or Buzz or Nareed or Juicy Jenny or other people that I don't really remember, then oh well, I guess a few minutes of my time answering random posts was wasted. Of course that time would have been wasted reading posts about why the Iron Cross in craps is so exciting.

I'm going to Vegas in 6 days, for the first time in over 4 years, that's what should really matter.

Nathan, I will devote $20 to one slot of your choice. Tell me what slot to pick, and I will post a lengthy slot report on it. :)
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June 16th, 2018 at 7:51:08 AM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

Everyone is spending all this time wondering if someone is concocting this elaborate scheme to waste their time. Don't you get by now that it doesn't matter. You've already lost.

How many times does it need to be said - just block the thread and the poster.

I understand the admins aren't able to do that. But do the admins read every single post in every other thread? Admins, can't you just stop by if there's an issue?

I'm just going to welcome Nathan to the forum. If she turns out to be Kentry or Buzz or Nareed or Juicy Jenny or other people that I don't really remember, then oh well, I guess a few minutes of my time answering random posts was wasted. Of course that time would have been wasted reading posts about why the Iron Cross in craps is so exciting.

I'm going to Vegas in 6 days, for the first time in over 4 years, that's what should really matter.

Nathan, I will devote $20 to one slot of your choice. Tell me what slot to pick, and I will post a lengthy slot report on it. :)



I choose Coyote Moon! :D Thanks for welcoming me! :D
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June 16th, 2018 at 7:56:41 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Yes, I notice that you had gone the extra mile to make it clear that you were just visiting. seems Suspicious (-;.

Are you saying she finally tossed you out after the self-inflicted haircut fiasco? (-;



I haven't cut my own hair in 30 years! I stupidly cut off a braid when I was 3. And then got hysterical and screamed to my Mom that I cut off a braid! Wow what an interesting 3 year old I was.
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June 16th, 2018 at 8:44:00 AM permalink
Quote: Face

I'll take a whack at this, and as this is her thread, I hope Nathan sees this...

The issue here is one of history. There is a notable group of WoV detractors all over the gambling forum scene who have for years beyond count tried to damage WoV and its members and mods. Threats have been made on members and mods personal safety, communications have come directly to doors of members and mods, threats have been bandied about from time to time. Some of these actions have been serious-borderline-criminal in nature, others merely harassment to general internet tomfoolery. But it does exist, and has been going strong for near a decade. ***snip*** (etc.)



Face, this is fairly stated. I am completely unaware of any of these actions by WOV detractors - I don't even know what the other forums are that they may have posted in. Indeed, I have half a mind -in the spirit of this thread- to ask that you provide evidence of your statements: who, what and the names of the forums where these people have posted. But I am not asking this - because I really don't care to surf through all that sewage.

If people have criticized WOV and its mods, I suggest you handle that by some combination of ignoring the idiots and listening to the more responsible critics. If threats have been made on your personal safety (and realizing that internet threats are a dime a dozen), is it too much to ask that you and other mods focus your response on the people who have done that?

If being moderators has driven you and/or Babs into a defensive crouch where you feel the need to act towards people in the way that you have acted towards Nathan, then I respectfully suggest that you "re-evaluate." Maybe take a vacation or volunteer with some charitable organization that puts you in contact with people less fortunate than you. Or spend time with people you love. I certainly believe that all the mods are "good people" but a small number of the posts that a couple of you have put up have been . . . extreme and disproportional, IMO.

Look, I am not certain that Nathan is who she says she is. I don't know. But I am not 100% certain about most of the people who post on this forum. I'm okay with that uncertainty. And I think there is a substantial possibility that Nathan is exactly who she says she is - a young minority female who posts on WOV out of a desire to connect with other people who share her interest in gambling.

Nathan attempts to have conversations about her experiences while playing slots - "what have other gamblers said that really annoy you?" That is not Machiavellian - it is the opposite, it is unsophisticated. And, it doesn't strike me as malice. Yeah, yeah, Nathan isn't a game inventor like Babs, she doesn't wrap herself in Markov chains like MustangSally, she's not an AP like Romes or DarkOz, she doesn't have a radio show like GWAE, she hasn't written blogs and books like Eliot, she doesn't play poker around the world like pokergrinder. She's not an expert on anything, she's not on top of the gambling world. Indeed, she appears to be on the bottom of it. She appears to me to be an unsophisticated gambler who plays slots at her local casino and who wants to "connect" by posting on WOV. And, she is friendly and even-tempered.

I admit that I haven't been twisted into a suspicious pretzel by the experiences that you and other mods have had and thus I take a more straightforward view: that you guys may be hurting someone who doesn't deserve to be hurt. And, that is hard to stand by and watch.

Face, you wrote a long, thoughtful respectful post that made me think and helped me to understand your viewpoint. Thank you. I have written this to try to reciprocate. Nothing in my comments is intended to disrespect you or Babs or anyone. I'm just trying to communicate. Peace.
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June 16th, 2018 at 3:48:05 PM permalink
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June 16th, 2018 at 4:12:59 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

Face, this is fairly stated. I am completely unaware of any of these actions by WOV detractors - I don't even know what the other forums are that they may have posted in. Indeed, I have half a mind -in the spirit of this thread- to ask that you provide evidence of your statements: who, what and the names of the forums where these people have posted. But I am not asking this - because I really don't care to surf through all that sewage.



I don't wish to surf though that sewage again either, but what he says is true. I've received a death threat on another forum. Letters come to my house from a banned member, sometimes civil and sometimes containing threats. You can choose to not believe me if you wish, but I am not going to dignify the threats by providing evidence.

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June 16th, 2018 at 4:29:54 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I don't wish to surf though that sewage again either, but what he says is true. I've received a death threat on another forum. Letters come to my house from a banned member, sometimes civil and sometimes containing threats. You can choose to not believe me if you wish, but I am not going to dignify the threats by providing evidence.

It is not easy being green.



Oh my, God, you're getting death threats? O.O. Wizard, you're so nice. I am not kissing your butt, I genuinely think you're nice. I am shocked you get death threats! O.O
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June 16th, 2018 at 5:22:26 PM permalink
If the death threat came from the guy I am thinking of, it was no viable threat at all: just a harmless drunk barking at the moon.

Not that he shouldn't have been banned for it, but the odds of him actually acting on it exceed those of seeing 18 yo's rolled in a row.

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June 16th, 2018 at 6:22:12 PM permalink
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I role played as a guy in my real life.



What does that mean ?
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June 16th, 2018 at 6:42:03 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

Face, this is fairly stated. I am completely unaware of any of these actions by WOV detractors - I don't even know what the other forums are that they may have posted in. Indeed, I have half a mind -in the spirit of this thread- to ask that you provide evidence of your statements: who, what and the names of the forums where these people have posted. But I am not asking this - because I really don't care to surf through all that sewage.

If people have criticized WOV and its mods, I suggest you handle that by some combination of ignoring the idiots and listening to the more responsible critics. If threats have been made on your personal safety (and realizing that internet threats are a dime a dozen), is it too much to ask that you and other mods focus your response on the people who have done that?

If being moderators has driven you and/or Babs into a defensive crouch where you feel the need to act towards people in the way that you have acted towards Nathan, then I respectfully suggest that you "re-evaluate." Maybe take a vacation or volunteer with some charitable organization that puts you in contact with people less fortunate than you. Or spend time with people you love. I certainly believe that all the mods are "good people" but a small number of the posts that a couple of you have put up have been . . . extreme and disproportional, IMO.

Look, I am not certain that Nathan is who she says she is. I don't know. But I am not 100% certain about most of the people who post on this forum. I'm okay with that uncertainty. And I think there is a substantial possibility that Nathan is exactly who she says she is - a young minority female who posts on WOV out of a desire to connect with other people who share her interest in gambling.

Nathan attempts to have conversations about her experiences while playing slots - "what have other gamblers said that really annoy you?" That is not Machiavellian - it is the opposite, it is unsophisticated. And, it doesn't strike me as malice. Yeah, yeah, Nathan isn't a game inventor like Babs, she doesn't wrap herself in Markov chains like MustangSally, she's not an AP like Romes or DarkOz, she doesn't have a radio show like GWAE, she hasn't written blogs and books like Eliot, she doesn't play poker around the world like pokergrinder. She's not an expert on anything, she's not on top of the gambling world. Indeed, she appears to be on the bottom of it. She appears to me to be an unsophisticated gambler who plays slots at her local casino and who wants to "connect" by posting on WOV. And, she is friendly and even-tempered.

I admit that I haven't been twisted into a suspicious pretzel by the experiences that you and other mods have had and thus I take a more straightforward view: that you guys may be hurting someone who doesn't deserve to be hurt. And, that is hard to stand by and watch.

Face, you wrote a long, thoughtful respectful post that made me think and helped me to understand your viewpoint. Thank you. I have written this to try to reciprocate. Nothing in my comments is intended to disrespect you or Babs or anyone. I'm just trying to communicate. Peace.



Gordon,

I hear what you're saying. But there is a lot that goes on that doesn't make it into the public sections of the board. And there have been threats, obscenities, slurs, doxxing, lies, and stalkings aimed at me as well, on this board, by PM, on other boards.

I've seen some of what the Wizard has received. It's real, it's still going on towards both of us, and I'm not going to give them any entertainment value by providing links or naming names to prove it to you, though many regulars here have seen quite a bit of it, too. We're not making this stuff up.

I've also met over 100 WoV members, and spoken to dozens of others. By and large, I have greatly enjoyed knowing them. So the benefits have mostly outweighed the problems.

I'm not thrilled with everything I've posted either. I remain skeptical and unconvinced, but that doesn't really matter at this point. My interest and primary objective remains keeping the board useful and credible, so I will continue doing that, and we'll see how it goes, as always.
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June 16th, 2018 at 6:47:26 PM permalink
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I'm just going to welcome Nathan to the forum. If she turns out to be Kentry or Buzz or Nareed)



Is it possible Buzz or Nareed is a 4'10 200 pound Black female?
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June 16th, 2018 at 6:52:52 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Is it possible Buzz or Nareed is a 4'10 200 pound Black female?



Nope, not correct for either of them. Many of us know them both.
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June 16th, 2018 at 7:12:47 PM permalink
I know a bunch of the guys from GG
who were nuked from here. Some of
them hate this place with such a
vengeance that I could easily see
one of them being Nathan. They
would do it just to laugh their asses
off at how much time we all waste
on this subject.

Something about this whole Nathan
thing just isn't right, but the truth
will come out eventually. In my
crystal ball I see a nuked Nathan,
who had a great laff at everybodies
expense.
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June 16th, 2018 at 7:44:50 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs


Gordon,

I hear what you're saying. But there is a lot that goes on that doesn't make it into the public sections of the board. And there have been threats, obscenities, slurs, doxxing, lies, and stalkings aimed at me as well, on this board, by PM, on other boards.

I've seen some of what the Wizard has received. It's real, it's still going on towards both of us, and I'm not going to give them any entertainment value by providing links or naming names to prove it to you, though many regulars here have seen quite a bit of it, too. We're not making this stuff up.

I've also met over 100 WoV members, and spoken to dozens of others. By and large, I have greatly enjoyed knowing them. So the benefits have mostly outweighed the problems.

I'm not thrilled with everything I've posted either. I remain skeptical and unconvinced, but that doesn't really matter at this point. My interest and primary objective remains keeping the board useful and credible, so I will continue doing that, and we'll see how it goes, as always.



Babs, you are a force for good in the forum. I respect your judgment and I am grateful for your service as a moderator. And I think you have written some of the most magnificent posts - some "okay I did screw up a little bit and I am listening" posts - that make me admire your emotional maturity and fundamental decency. No one else in this forum ever seems to back up a micrometer on anything that they have previously posted so when it does happen it is impressive. I expect that you will never change your forum name to EvenBabs. LOL, ROFL.

I accept what you and the Wiz say about the "drama" that you guys have experienced. Sorry you go through that.

I have never met anyone from WOV but I hope that will eventually happen.

I am too-often guilty of laughing at my own jokes, and I am still ROFL over "EvenBabs."
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June 16th, 2018 at 11:10:17 PM permalink
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So, playing on my free slot app, the slot games that are similar to Fu Dao Le, 88 Fortunes, 5 Treasures, Good Fortune, etc have Progressives that go UP with your bet. In real life, Progressives don't go up with bet changes which I have always hated. For example, in 88 Fortunes, the Max Bet of $8.80 only nets you a Mini of $13. The Minimum bet nets you a Mini of $13. Something is really wrong there. In the slot app, a $500 bet nets you a Mini of roughly $5,000. A $5,000 win gives you a Mini of roughly $41,000. This is the way it should be with real world slots too.


Idk about the phone app or whatever, but in the real world, the minimum progressive amount is based on denomination and the amount of coins bet doesn't matter. I believe it scales linearly, if I'm not mistaken. Perhaps I'm thinking of that other semi-new slot machine that seems to be really popular, the Lightning Link types.


As far as whether Nathan is "real" or not -- who the **** cares? WHY should anyone care? She's not scamming people or doing anything nefarious. The only exception I see is if she's a previously banned member or a sock puppet -- ya know, actually breaking a rule. Not that I care if she's a previously banned member or not, since again, she's civil and isn't doing anything "bad". Not that it's up to me, but some banned members I'd be okay with coming back and others I wouldn't.
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June 18th, 2018 at 6:22:36 AM permalink
I can't help but think that Wizard's Avatar looks a little like Dean Martin on Dean Martin slots. :)
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June 18th, 2018 at 7:09:08 AM permalink
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I can't help but think that Wizard's Avatar looks a little like Dean Martin on Dean Martin slots. :)

You should have started a new thread for that.
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June 18th, 2018 at 7:27:44 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

You should have started a new thread for that.

Or..... not :o)
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June 18th, 2018 at 8:19:06 AM permalink
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You should have started a new thread for that.

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June 18th, 2018 at 8:19:24 AM permalink
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Or..... not :o)
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June 18th, 2018 at 12:58:12 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

You should have started a new thread for that.



LMAO! No! The last new thread I started was quickly deleted and a certain Admin said something like,"You are really testing us Admins' patience and tolerance. Start another thread like this one and I will seriously consider suspending you." Other replies before it was closed were saying stuff like,"Why didn't Nathan put this thread in Nathan's Corner? Why did she start a brand new thread for this?'
Last edited by: Nathan on Jun 18, 2018
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June 18th, 2018 at 1:07:28 PM permalink
Quote: Nathan

LMAO! No! The last new thread I started was quickly deleted and a certain Admin said something like,"You are really testing us Admins' patience and tolerance. Start another thread like this one and I will seriously consider suspending you." Other replies before it was closed were saying stuff like,"Why didn't Nathan put this thread in Nathan's Corner? Why did she start s brand new thread for this?'

I think Axel is typing on one of those new fangled phones without a sarc tag?
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June 18th, 2018 at 1:41:20 PM permalink
Admins, weigh in. Is it crossing the line to tell a Newbie who looks like he or she is posting something that looks like red flag spam exactly that? For example,"Slot Lover starts a thread like this. "Hi, I'm new here. I love playing on Cash Casino online. I got a great sign up bonus and only lost $30 of my bankroll. With the bonus I ended up $6,500 up."

I, Nathan write something like,"Hi, Slot Lover, welcome to WOV. I'm not an Admin, but just a heads up. This thread being your very first thread could look really bad like you are making red flag spam."

Is that crossing the line? :/
In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D "Man Babes" #AxelFabulous "Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D "For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?" Wizard, August 21st. :D
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