Should JerryLogan be banned?
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Quote: NareedPretty simple question.
By a pretty simple mind.
Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate
Quote:I vote we have another enlightening thread about traffic (we just DIDN'T get enough) by one of the most exhilarating minds in the business!
Sounds like fun. I just hope that JerryLogan fellow stays away from it. That guy has no tact, no respect for others, and very little conversational skill.
(btw I support Arizona...everyone has to show their Driver's License when they get pulled over or at a police request anyway..the whole thing is a red herring)
Quote: JerryLoganBut he's got one hell of an aim....
He's kind of the Carlos Zambrano of WoV.com. He occasionally puts it all together and makes a meaningful contribution, but mostly he just throws wildly in the general direction of the plate/batter and fights with anyone who is up for it.
Quote: cclub79You can't ban anyone; there's no "Show Your Papers"...this isn't Arizona. Banning someone will only make them create a new name.
(btw I support Arizona...everyone has to show their Driver's License when they get pulled over or at a police request anyway..the whole thing is a red herring)
I support AZ as well (look at my handle) and cannot figure out how a federal judge says it is illegal to arrest someone trying to find employment illegally (ie: no green card.)
But I digress. I am a "I may disagree with what you say but defend your right to say it" type and am pragmatic enough to realize as another poster said, re-registration is easy.
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On the flip side, I'd prefer it if Jerry would lighten up.
Not necessarily. Most forums that have a ban capability, do it by IP address.Quote: cclub79Banning someone will only make them create a new name.
I'm not a computer geek, but in this day & age of wireless, broadband connect, and cell phone Internet all with the ability to move around, isn't that rendered useless?
The Az. law on illegals is a moot point as is the judge's stupid decision, when you understand that the great American Sheriff Joe Arpaio has and will continue to arrest illegals because they are breaking the law by being here.
Quote: JerryLogan"Not necessarily. Most forums that have a ban capability, do it by IP address."
I'm not a computer geek, but in this day & age of wireless, broadband connect, and cell phone Internet all with the ability to move around, isn't that rendered useless?
Yup.
Quote:
The Az. law on illegals is a moot point as is the judge's stupid decision, when you understand that the great American Sheriff Joe Arpaio has and will continue to arrest illegals because they are breaking the law by being here.
That guy is pretty awesome. His biography is fascinating as are the things he's done for citizens and his inmates (like getting more of them to be organ donors/volunteer juvenile chain gangs for high school credit). And his "Civilian Posse" is great.
How about a fun game...famous person gets thrown out, and we discuss what their favorite casino game would be.
Quote:On the flip side, I'd prefer it if Jerry would lighten up.
That's a nice thought, but as yet, I see no reason why he would bother to do so.
Quote: NicksGamingStuffI am so sick of people picking on JerryLogan, sure some of his thoughts I disagree with but the purpose of a forum is to get perspective of different people.
What he thinks is not the issue. The problem is he insults other people in the forum and either kills or distorts threads regularly. This forum was a much more pleasant site before he came along.
I have been on boards since 1990 (or so) using the Unix command line "rnews" -- and there have been trolls all that time. One troll shut down rec.games.blackjack.moderated with a lawsuit.
I long ago learned how to live in a world of trolls. So, the real question is, can you learn to live in this world or not? It's not going to change.
So ... I failed to follow my own advice (below), but hypocrisy never stopped me from lecturing before:
1) Stay on topic, never vary, never waiver, never defend, never attack.
2) Do not reply to troll postings, no matter how much they trigger you.
3) Be aware that the troll is doing this for an unknown motive which is never what it seems.
4) There is much more advice on trolls out there. Read it.
The current troll is "Stalker," a.k.a. Ray Cagno. He has been trolling blackjack boards for over a decade. He was banned from bj21.com and advantageplayer.com. He currently hosts his own board at blackjackforumonline.com called "Fight Club".
OZ is just a dream, or so I was lead to believe after I woke up.
--Dorothy
Quote: DorothyGaleI have been on boards since 1990 (or so) using the Unix command line "rnews" -- and there have been trolls all that time. One troll shut down rec.games.blackjack.moderated with a lawsuit.
I long ago learned how to live in a world of trolls. So, the real question is, can you learn to live in this world or not? It's not going to change.
I didn't do usenet much, but I did participate heavily on BBS-based boards before the internet took off, as well as on many internet fora since. I've been a mod and admin on a few as well.
You're right that trolls aren't going away. What's more, just about everyone trolls sometimes. But banning a consistent troll when he's the only one and when massive flame wars haven't erupted, does help keep the forum pleasant longer. Especially when the troll is not a long-time regular, and especiallyw hen he contributes little to nothing to most threads.
Sure, trolls are like rats: they'll always be around. That doesn't mean you shouldn't lay down some mouse traps when you see a rat in your home.
Quote: DorothyGale
The current troll is "Stalker," a.k.a. Ray Cagno. He has been trolling blackjack boards for over a decade. He was banned from bj21.com and advantageplayer.com. He currently hosts his own board at blackjackforumonline.com called "Fight Club".
--Dorothy
It is a troll, not a person. If you think of it as a person, and assign meaning to its text, you have fallen into its trap. It simply posts text, and people respond to it as if they were interacting with another person, when in truth they are interacting with what can be best described as an "argument bot". The text corresponds to known meanings, it uses our assumption that there is an intent to communicate, it mimics human behavior. But it is just text, with no purpose.
All you have to do is understand that there is no actual meaning to the text it posts, and you are freed. Call it "he", "him", "you", and you are still playing its game. The freedom is inside your head. Call it "it", and get that freedom.
Quote:Forum Rules
1. The forum rules may change from time to time, without notice. Be sure to check this page for the latest version. Anyone using the site agrees to the rules listed here.
2. This forum is only open to individuals of age 21 or older.
3. We have a zero-tolerance policy for spam. Anyone found or perceived to be spamming may be permanently banned from the forum.
4. This forum is designed to be self-moderating. If you find a post which is spammy, harassing, or illegal in nature, you are encouraged to flag that post as inappropriate. When enough members have flagged a post as inappropriate, it will be automatically removed.
5. Anyone abusing the "flag as inappropriate" feature will have their flagging rights revoked.
Do I agree with everything posted in this forum? Of course not, but I do defend most everyone's right to post here. However, the tone of the forum has become much less pleasant in most every thread that one person has posted in. My overall enjoyment of this forum has gone done as a result.
Rule 4 says this is a self-moderating forum. When a post by anyone is directed at someone, and not at the topic at hand, this could fall under harassing, and we, as a community, should flag said post. Let's get this forum back to where it was, where the worst we had to deal with was the infamous "Hoax that is 1.414........."
I am not suggesting content control, or flagging a post because you do not agree with the view point. I am suggesting flagging posts which are made to trigger a response, where the post does not involve the topic at hand, or even the off-topic discussion, which happens so frequently.
Quote: teddysVoted no. Jerry is relatively harmless. I just think of him as a mean, slightly demented uncle -- you know, the one who at family gatherings can't say anything without it being insulting or inappropriate, but everyone eventually learns to ignore him or not take him seriously.
I voted no. He's a pratt of the first order, with an inability to follow a clear logical argument beyond whatever first impressions he makes up. That doesn't mean they have rights revoked to post to a small internet forum.
Quote: thecesspitI voted no. He's a pratt of the first order, with an inability to follow a clear logical argument beyond whatever first impressions he makes up. That doesn't mean they have rights revoked to post to a small internet forum.
What argument? I enlighten with indivisible virtuosity.
Quote: MoscaCall it "he", "him", "you", and you are still playing its game. The freedom is inside your head. Call it "it", and get that freedom.
I completely disagree with you. Calling him "it" strengthens him because he is dehumanized and therefore permitted to behave as a misanthrope.
The best way to "call" a troll is by name ... in this case Ray Cagno. Once his identity is made public, you better believe that puts pressure on him.
--Dorothy
Quote: DorothyGaleI completely disagree with you. Calling him "it" strengthens him because he is dehumanized and therefore permitted to behave as a misanthrope.
The best way to "call" a troll is by name ... in this case Ray Cagno. Once his identity is made public, you better believe that puts pressure on him.
--Dorothy
I'm not feeling the pressure honey...I'm feeling the love! Cagno must be quite the guy.
Quote: DorothyGaleUnder no circumstances should JL be banned.
I have been on boards since 1990 (or so) using the Unix command line "rnews" -- and there have been trolls all that time. One troll shut down rec.games.blackjack.moderated with a lawsuit.
You can manage trolls on moderated bbs. It's a new day! My posting experience goes back to the days of what's ended up on google archives. Then later for me, Greenspan forums (1996-2000)I believe. And after that, more of what looks like what we have here, but a bit cruder.
But whatever...
Jerry's really happy now.
For those of you who find JL, or anybody, objectionable, webmaster JB is working on a feature where you can opt to block the posts of anybody you wish.
As somebody pointed out before, it's your site. You can do whatever you wish with it. The First Amendment only applies to State actors. That said, I respect your sentiments also towards free speech.Quote: WizardI have too much respect for the first ammendment to ban anybody who respects the site rules.
Have you been to the Greek Isles Casino recently?
Quote: JerryLogan
Have you been to the Greek Isles Casino recently?
You couldn't pay me to go to that dump.
Quote: WizardI have too much respect for the first ammendment to ban anybody who respects the site rules.
For those of you who find JL, or anybody, objectionable, webmaster JB is working on a feature where you can opt to block the posts of anybody you wish.
I was out looking for that feature earlier today and could not find it. Now I know why! :-)
Quote: teddysNo why
Just trying to get your mind off banning me.
Quote: teddysThe First Amendment only applies to State actors.
It also applies to the non=public sector, although not in precisely similar ways.That was made clear when Hugo Black, the great champion of the amendment on the Supreme Court, issued the landmark general guideline of protecting ALL speech except shouting ``Fire!!`` in a crowded movie theater (and more lately trafficking in kiddie porn).
Quote: SanchoPanzaIt also applies to the non=public sector, although not in precisely similar ways.
No, it doesn't.
No private citizen, or group of citizens, or even large corporations, can pass a law limmiting speech and freedom of the press, nor to establish a religion or any of the other things contained in the First Ammendment.
Quote: SanchoPanzaThat was made clear when Hugo Black, the great champion of the amendment on the Supreme Court, issued the landmark general guideline of protecting ALL speech except shouting ``Fire!!`` in a crowded movie theater (and more lately trafficking in kiddie porn).
What case are you talking about?
Quote: NareedWhat he thinks is not the issue. The problem is he insults other people in the forum and either kills or distorts threads regularly. This forum was a much more pleasant site before he came along.
Nareed, I do agree with you here. I could get into disagreements with you and Duffman without being really offended and I thought that the banter of the forum was very positive. It's a great resource on gambling as well. Take, for example, the posts around the Mohegan Sun promotion.
I think all of this started when politics were brought into the discussions. Certainly the slams on Obama are very similar to listening to Sean Hannity, but there's been quite a bit of insulting going on (in both directions). But to open a thread called "JerryLogan is a douchebag"??? How would you react if I wrote a thread saying "Nareed is a Mexican jumping bean". How would I react to "Boymimbo is a idiot".
All of this name calling and insulting simply reduces the quality of this excellent site. The best thing to do is to ignore the negativity and insults and just move on with the forum at hand, and you find that the offensive material disappears because no one listens.
Quote: Nareed...Regarding Macau, how prevalent is Portuguese?...
Here's Jerry's response:
Jerry -Quote: JerryLoganI've never been to Macau but I'll take a wild stab at it. They're in China. They were populated mostly by Chinese before the handover, and it's populated mostly by Chinese today. Therefore they speak Chinese, and port-a-geek is quickly being forgotten. Re: English, They were basically part of Hong Kong prior to the handover, Hong Kong was controlled by the British, and the British speak English!
Your 'port-a-geek' comment was completely unprovoked and uncalled-for.
Is it any wonder you're so hated here?
Quote: EnvyBonusWhat case are you talking about?
Oops. It was Holmes in Schenck. Good catch. My fanaticism for Black misguided me. Also should have included FALSELY shouting. Tks.
Now just who did I offend by writing that?? Port-a-potty suppliers, geeks....who? And how? You're fishing for support for your fantasy.
I submit that those who hate are the ones with the problem. It's a tough way to live one's life.
You're claiming that it doesn't occur to you that your comment could be offensive to people of Portuguese descent or people who speak Portuguese?
If there was a way, I would change my vote to "Yes"!
You could always change the rules, make an announcement, and then apply the new rules to any new offenses.Quote: WizardI have too much respect for the first ammendment to ban anybody who respects the site rules.
But you really don't need to change the rules.
Just like a casino can bar people who are abusive to the staff and/or other patrons, you can bar people whose comments are offensive to others.
That will only help block the specific offender, and not responses to the offending comments.Quote: WizardFor those of you who find JL, or anybody, objectionable, webmaster JB is working on a feature where you can opt to block the posts of anybody you wish.
Additionally, new members may find the site offensive due to the comments that the rest of us have set to be ignored. The result could mean that potential new members will go elsewhere.
Bottom line: This is your playground. You can kick out anyone you wish.
Quote: DJTeddyBearThat will only help block the specific offender, and not responses to the offending comments.
A basic ignore function is enough, trust me. I've used it on many different boards to good effect.
If you're too ignorant to remember the post, or too lazy to find and re-read the post, here's a copy of the post that you're referring to. I highlighted the pertinent parts. The post in question is on the previous page of this thread.Quote: JerryLoganIf you could explain how "port-a-geek" is a slam on that....
Quote:From the Just Back From Macau thread:
Quote: Nareed...Regarding Macau, how prevalent is Portuguese?...
Here's Jerry's response:Jerry -Quote: JerryLoganI've never been to Macau but I'll take a wild stab at it. They're in China. They were populated mostly by Chinese before the handover, and it's populated mostly by Chinese today. Therefore they speak Chinese, and port-a-geek is quickly being forgotten. Re: English, They were basically part of Hong Kong prior to the handover, Hong Kong was controlled by the British, and the British speak English!
Your 'port-a-geek' comment was completely unprovoked and uncalled-for.
Is it any wonder you're so hated here?
Are you reading it from a teleprompter?
Hint: Even your example identifies me referring to the Portuguese LANGUAGE, which Mrs. Logan speaks, and not to Portuguese people.
Thank you, Wizard and JB. Looking forward to the new feature. I specifically asked for it on 7/17 in the "Ban Political Trolls?" thread. Don't know whether it was already in the works or not.Quote: Wizard... webmaster JB is working on a feature where you can opt to block the posts of anybody you wish.
I suppose that could happen, but if a large number of us were ignoring a particular poster, I suspect that level of neglect would lead to the insults and flames gradually disappearing. If slurs draw no response, new members will probably recognize them as noise to be ignored.Quote: DJTeddyBear... new members may find the site offensive due to the comments that the rest of us have set to be ignored. The result could mean that potential new members will go elsewhere.
Doc, that teleprompter point was a real dagger, wasn't it.....
