Baccaratfrom79's Response to the Board

Quote: Kerkebet

Well, what will you win? A sad life either way.

Not the potential of a good physicist with a good guess of the 1 in 335 ways to go with say the notion of cosmic inflation.

Quote: MrV

Steve Wynn makes the valid point that he doesn't see gamblers quit when they are ahead.

Quote: Deck007

Second the casino never kicks out a player who wins big. On the contrary the casino want him to come back so they can get their back and much more from him

Quote: Deck007

I have problems with this article.

First the casinos assume the HE for BJ is about 2.5% for Comps purposes. I myself think it is actually much higher than this when you see so many horrible horrible plays.

Second the casino never kicks out a player who wins big. On the contrary the casino want him to come back so they can get their back and much more from him

Quote: Beardgoat

Do the math guys think that nobody ever is a lifetime winner?

Is it possible for someone to be on the + side of that standard deviation more times than being on the - side?

Quote: sc15

I've been kicked out numerous times for winning big.

I also know tons of people who have also been kicked out for winning big.

Quote: Deck007

If you have done nothing illegal you should file a complain with the Gaming Commission.

Then get an attorney to sue for damages.

Quote: sc15

I've been kicked out numerous times for winning big.

I also know tons of people who have also been kicked out for winning big.

Quote: EvenBob

Define big. What games were you playing.

Quote: sc15

50 - 100K on blackjack

20 - 30K on various carnival games.

One time my team filled up a whole table at UTH with everyone betting table max (no trips bet obviously). We were up like 40 - 50K total and they came over and closed the game. Security escorted the dealer away and all of us got trespassed on the spot. Pretty sure the dealer was fired as well. I don't think she ever got another job dealing either, since we scouted all of the other casinos in the area for her a few months later since she was such an easy game.

Quote: Deck007

I don't know about carnival games. Me think something fishy.

BJ if you are counting and even losing they can throw you out.

Quote: Deck007

I don't know about carnival games. Me think something fishy.

BJ if you are counting and even losing they can throw you out.

Quote: RaleighCraps

I genuinely appreciate every mathematician that is on this board, but most of them demonstrate a common trait. When it comes to casino games, and people talking about how they play, the mathematicians will jump all over your posts showing you the exact math of the game, and how you are fighting a losing battle. I am fine with that. It is needed.

Quote: tringlomane

He was probably hole carding. He and his team probably helped her lose her job.

Quote: mcallister3200

Do you enjoy creating competitors by educating people?

Quote: mcallister3200

You're smarter than that, you know I'm referring to you running your mouth on a public board.

Quote: mcallister3200

You're smarter than that, you know I'm referring to you running your mouth on a public board.

Quote: Baccaratfrom79

Well, I wasn't going to respond or come back on the board, however I received several PM's and a Mod/Admin asked me to reconsider. You know, the way it went, I just rather not be where I am not desired--don't get that wrong, not seeking to be praised or thanked or idolized or cherished in any way, shape or form! But with the chastising, attempts to turn others against me and as well, 'hounding challenges'---why should I be part of the community?? With that said, I will now offer some insight to me as well as a few retaliations' for whatever they are worth, might explain and if nothing else, for the record.

First of all, I never claimed to be an AP'er, advantaged anything, a mathematical statistician or anything of the likes. I never preached my outcomes in gaming could be yours, never once. I do not sell any systems, I do not endorse any systems or methods of play, I have no mentors or endorse any, and I never harped on playing methods that I might or might not believe in. I have talked about some because I was either asked or simply, I have employed them for whatever reason. Methods of play as well as systems, are as plentiful as their are colors in a huge box of crayons. I also don't think I chastised or humiliated anyone on this board and if I disagreed or was challenged, I probably said something along the lines of, Okay sure thing, you're right or that's not true. Argue or attempt to 'gang up', 'call out' or 'humiliate'---for what, what's it prove?? Being condescending? If you guys think I was, sorry--but hey, I am used to the NY/NJ/Phila area so take that with a grain of salt. In all essence, if you don't like what I have to say, how about just moving on or not reading it or ignoring it. I would do the same to you or your threads. Enough of that, I said my point there.

AceofSpades and Beachbumbabs and Face and (OMG-I shouldn't say it but hey I will), EvenBob and a few others that PM'd me is the reason I am posting this. As far as the members current or banned or past that, I have been accused of being--hogwash, 1,000% bull crap, asked Beachbumbabs which I think already verified and stated that but I still read those snide comments of the possibilities.

I have lost and I have won. Lost a lot and won lots. I don't keep records, never did and never will. I have never gambled as a professional nor do I gamble to make money to live on. Have I ever gambled and lost money I could not afford. Sure, in my younger days, live and learn. Do I depend on gambling for a living, no. Have I ever, no. Would I ever, no. My employment and professional interests are elsewhere. Gambling and casinos are the fifth love of my life. #1) My family; #2) Whatever profession I am in--currently the hazardous materials spill clean up and emergency response business; #3) Heavy Equipment; #4) Sex; #5) Casinos-gambling-baccarat.

As far as what I portrayed with my threads, stories and Asian New Years trip to Vegas, it is what it is/was. I did not start gambling with that trip or one or 2 before. I have been playing steadily since I was 21, I am in my mid 50's. Been there and done that guys. Period. Concerning the 1, read>>>> One (1) trip I made while being a member of this board, I won and won about $25k give or take a thousand or two. Anyway, that and the bankroll is gone as the wife snatched it to buy a new SUV. If the trip went bust, I guess some of you would have given me more credence??? I don't really know, but I was positive about $25k which was approx. 1/2 my bankroll. It wasn't a great trip in winning's. I almost lost it all before making it up. Got frustrated and if I wasn't, I know I could have smacked the casino for a couple hundred grand on 1, maybe 2 shoes. But hey, such is life.

"RS" mentioned, something along the lines that I would be influencing some members, maybe not so experienced into believing what I had was a system or stating I was an AP'er, etc. As I already said above, I am not. I am experienced, very experienced and very conscious as to the pitfalls and the trappings of gaming and winning. Again, I never said "Advantaged" nor I never preached and stated I had a system or any other method of play that was secret or proprietary to anyone or anything similar. I merely said, and if I did not, here it is>>> I have many years of experience, I know the pitfalls and the downsides to high limit gaming and what can and cannot happen. I am knoweldabgle and very aware as to what the game of chance can dish out. I play according to how I feel, my bankroll, my experience, and always, always, always being conscious of the fact that baccarat is a random game, one that changes and fluctuates without regards to any play, method, race, creed, nationality or believes.

The thrill is only 2 things to me in a casino---1) The socialization with a bunch of rambunctious players that are wild, fun and lending credence to having a great time at the table; and 2) Winning lots of money. I don't play to lose, I don't play to push. I don't play for comps, I don't play to be part of a night out. I don't play for something to do on a night off. I am in the Midwest, I have to travel to Vegas or AC or CT to get a real game I enjoy. I am not saying anyone (I said ANYONE is doing anything sub-par or lesser) if you don't play the same way I do in the high limit. I learned in the high limits rooms and always played in them. At least 98% of the times anyways. It is what I am comfortable doing and the experience I go for. Doesn't mean anything condescending on you or anyone else.

As far as education and coming here to learn or whatever. Several comments were posted. Here is my side. I got the people figured out, I have the casinos figured out and I know the game. I know the positives and the negatives. I know what can happen. The game is going to do known things---yet, those things will remain unknown as to what time they will happen. My method or anyone else's--will not instantly give you or I an advantage. The game is random, however (and a big however), it is best played like a speeding car down the Garden State Parkway in New Jersey. If the whole freeway is traveling 85mph, it is fine go with the flow you probably won't get a ticket. If the whole freeway is going 55mph and you are the only motorist doing 85mph, then you stand a great chance to wreck your vehicle or get a ticket in a much faster manner than anyone else around you. My translation. What makes one ignorant is trying to do something that should not be done and get away with it. The same in baccarat. Trying to change the results that will happen no matter what you do. Hence, that is why I say, with the trend or with the chop/cut.

What Beachbumbabs said is correct. 1) Discipline to get up when winning (at times, most times, depends on how easy the win came and the current flow of cards and players at the table); 2) Not overspend his bankroll (my bankroll is my dedicated gambling money, win-lose or draw, doesn't matter what I make in my business or how much I have put away). 3) Enjoys his game win or lose (I enjoy a lot more winning but losing is part of gambling).

Seriously, unless it's the 'holy grail' you can't teach me anything that would allow me to win anything more frequently that I already do. I stated on the board before that, I have the greates money management method that allows me to play better, (all IMO) when I win and it controls losing win money and allows me to have an edge. It is nobodies system or am I selling it or trying to get anyone to use it. It is not a predictor of future hands, as I said it manages the money I win, if I win. It does not allow me to predict or choice Banker or Player because it is voo-doo. It is simply a management method that lets me have clear mind and play better when I win. Okay think we are clear on that?

A few posts harped on the fact that I just started playing ad I am caught up in all the trapping of the casino, etc. In fact someone said, go ahead and lose your shirt. My answer, I been doing this a long time. If I lose $25k or $50k or $75k, I still have my shirt. Once again, my bankroll is earmarked and just that. Win, lose or draw. I don't make $1,000.00 and go to the casino with $850.00 to risk playing keeping $150.00 for the week's food money. Enough said.

I have nothing to sell, endorse or advertise. I advocate for no one. Enough said.

Someone said, bothers me that he gives off the impression he's beating the game by skill/knowledge. If (I said if I beat the game) I beat it with my experience, foresight, voo-doo hunches- guts-luck getting on the trend or riding the chop or maybe something else. Plain and simple. Enough said.

Someone said, seems to me he was secure in his beliefs and came to discuss them, not to study new methods. My answer. There are no new methods I don't know about and if there are, I will discover them someday and use them. But I seriously don't think there are any, I played the game for many years. BTW, I guess many of you didn't read the post I had (maybe you did??) about my sprinkling of 'magical dust' on the cards?? I also have that little solid gold monkey that makes an occasional appearance on top of the table when he is really needed. But those two are an entirely different story.

Baccarat is a random game---what works for me or for you, might not work for each other. I realize that, do you?

If I won money and I detail the reason why---what the heck does it matter if it was mathematically correct-advantaged or the proper play? I won money, likewise if I lost but we tend not to detail those too much or there is really nothing to talk about. Not talking about blackjack but talking about baccarat, it is random and there is no counting so if I won by trending or merely following a pattern of chop--shouldn't it be detailed because in true reality that would be the reason why I won.

Another person says, I should be admitting I was wrong and seeking education. I was not wrong, I did not advocate or instruct people how to play or to change their play. I merely told them how I play or what I did. There are lots of flavors in the frozen section of the supermarket if you like ice cream. We are all different.

So what if I go to the pool--get a private $300.00 cabana, a bottle of XO cognac and a couple of other bottles, a bunch of fruit and some other snacks. A massage therapist @ the cabana, etc., etc. It's what we do--what we enjoy and I would do it comp'd or not. And I'm not the only one--might be 10 or 20 or 30 other people doing the same thing. Doesn't make me a better or a worse player than anyone in the world in any casino. But those 300 or 500 other people that come to the pool and throw their towel down on a chair and go for a swim are the exact same people as I am or those in my party. We just do things different in different ways. Not because we are high rollers or playing with larger wagers than others, we just enjoy doing the things we do at a property or in Vegas the way we do them. And why do we do them a little more extravagant or expensive then others, maybe because I own a business back home and I am running that 6 and 7 days a week working no less than 110 hours a week for a couple months at a time if not longer. I have paid those classical and proverbial dues and I am what I am. At this point in my life I am happy. If you want me on the board, it is fine, if you don't that is fine too. I rather not stick around where I bring conflict and confusion and upset people. Just doesn't make sense, there is enough confusion, stress and problems in the everyday world of family and business without having to defend oneself on a message board.

I spent over $650,000.00 the other day on a piece of equipment and a truck to haul it around. That excites me! I looked at it this morning, I almost got an erection. It's my new toy. So when I gamble, it has to push my buttons, if it didn't---I wouldn't do it. When I have say $5,000.00 up on the Bankers and the guy next to me has $20,000.00 up and the Players returned a natural 8 and he has 2-four lined cards, then flips over a 9, I pull my monkey out of my pocket and place him up on the table and the whole table is screaming monkey and pointing to my monkey, that is what it is all about, voo-doo or not, call it what you want, that's why I play the game.
Done.

Quote: mcallister3200

In general it's known by many sure, but some are still in the dark, and what's the upside here? Do all your colleagues discuss it openly too? Like how do we get from a discussion about straight up baccarat to that?
I know you're not getting super specific and couldn't care less what I think, but it makes me slightly uncomfortable.

Quote: Dalex64

The non-math people don't want to get it.

Quote: Face

I agree with this, and this is probably the biggest thing Bac79 should take into consideration when he posts.

This is a math-based board, so it has attracted math-based individuals. And like anyone with a sharpened skill, they want to use it as often as possible.

I wouldn't suggest changing your writing style. Just know that when you write stuff that goes down the superstitious path, the math savvy will pounce every time. And your long explanation aside, it will happen the very next time, and every time after that, until the sun rises in the west, and the mountains crumble and blow like leaves.

In these cases, and for you, Bac79, I try to promote an understanding and put some of the responsibility back on the poster. I, too, play a game based on hunches and feels, that being Pai Gow Poker. And the next time I play and report, if I'm not too sloshed to remember the details, I will recant a play where I played a J-9 in the low hand and kept a full house in the high. I fully expect and even encourage the math savvy to pounce. Because my words will stay here as long as the site is up, and may be referred to long after some of us are gone. And to maintain the integrity of the site, mis-truths and falsities must be pointed out and corrected on the spot and every time.

That play is stupid. Someone saying it is stupid isn't offensive. It's fair and expected. It's just the way I like to play. If that's stupid, so be it. It's my choice, and I neither regret it nor find offense in it.

I hope you can sort of understand what I'm saying. No matter how "fun" your report, any mistake in proper strategy or any belief in anything other than the math WILL be challenged every single time. Here at WoV, it pretty much has to be. Don't take offense to it. Just do you and let the math-men have it out on the side. There will be plenty more who are just in it for the ride for you to have fun with.

Quote: aceofspades

It is theoretical physics versus applied physics.

Quote: Kerkebet

No.

Einstein, and a few others of his era, were able to convert. They had both unique skill sets in one. That's the rare sort of irreversible "one sperm gets to the egg" iq.

Less talk, and more result.

Quote: aceofspades

Exactly what I propose here - let the mathletes post a TR so we can all see their real world results using their math.

Quote: teliot

If you knew some of these professionals personally, like many of us do, it would rock your world.

Quote: 1BB

The first thing I'm going to do is quote this rather lengthy post in case it gets deleted. No questions now. Well, just one. You spent over $650,000 on equipment plus a truck and you only spent 25K on your wife's new SUV? Yikes. I still want to hear about your experience in the MGM fire. You have good writing skills and I was hoping that story would be as long or longer than this post.

Quote: aceofspades

Perhaps if a member of the mathletes on this board actually posted a Trip Report, we could see the math in action - until then, Bacc79 should continue to post his TR which I anticipate greatly - just as I will keep posting my TR which the forum also seem to enjoy)

And just wait until Bacc79 and I play in April - a double TR!!!

Methinks the mathletes doth protest too much

Quote: Kerkebet

No need to know the people who truly changed the world.

Quote: aceofspades

Perhaps if a member of the mathletes on this board actually posted a Trip Report, we could see the math in action - until then, Bacc79 should continue to post his TR which I anticipate greatly - just as I will keep posting my TR which the forum also seem to enjoy)

And just wait until Bacc79 and I play in April - a double TR!!!

Methinks the mathletes doth protest too much

Quote: Baccaratfrom79

Gosh I really messed up, it was 1BB not SC-15. Re-read what you cut out, she snatched the bankroll and the win money-both and went and bought a new SUV. And yes, I spent lots on my equipment, but I make money with it. But I guess I would be shit in your world cause I am just as happy driving a 10 year old car than I am a new one.

Quote: EvenBob

You were in the sex business? Wait, I think
I read that wrong.

Never mind.

Quote: Baccaratfrom79

Yes in the late 80's to the mid 90's or so in NYC, I owned various places that were in the adult industry.

Quote: teliot

But, if you knew some of these professionals personally, like many of us do, it would rock your world.

Quote: rdw4potus

Golly! Looks like I missed a lot in 3 days of mostly-absence.

Thoughts:

Are we pretending like Bacc79 appeared a few months ago with perfect historical knowledge of the board, but he ISN'T a previously banned member or duplicate account? Well, ok then.

Trip reports are always fun. Why wouldn't one be welcomed from any valid board member?

Plenty of math folks have posted trip reports. Maybe stop ignoring Mickey's (mostly) sober posts. Mission has posted several trip reports that revolve around math and plays and promos. Remember all those threads about how and why and when to play slots? What are we pretending those were?

Quote: EvenBob

And we're not supposed to climb all over
this vague statement that's backed by
zero proof, like B79 got climbed over
for having the gall to post what he does
in the casino. A math person posted it,
so we can take it to the bank.

Whatever.

Quote: Baccaratfrom79

Gosh I really messed up, it was 1BB not SC-15. Re-read what you cut out, she snatched the bankroll and the win money-both and went and bought a new SUV. And yes, I spent lots on my equipment, but I make money with it. But I guess I would be shit in your world cause I am just as happy driving a 10 year old car than I am a new one.

Quote: aceofspades

That is true but Mission does attempt to cast aspersions o the non-AP community on this board - the mathletes I refer to are the ones who never post a trip report yet deem it necessary, at every turn, to put us non-AP's down

Quote: EvenBob

And we're not supposed to climb all over
this vague statement that's backed by
zero proof, like B79 got climbed over
for having the gall to post what he does
in the casino. A math person posted it,
so we can take it to the bank.

Whatever.

Quote: Gabes22

Being in the auto industry myself, this does not surprise me at all. People I work with are astonished by the fact that we see people who make 350K, 600K, 800K, or 1.5M per year who purchase base model vehicles. A lot of people who make 50 or 75K do not understand the mentality that just because you can afford it, you don't need to purchase it. There are definitely people in the world who make a lot of money who will flaunt it, but from my experience, just because you may make a lot of money, doesn't mean you are gonna spend it on something you merely want instead of need.

Quote: aceofspades

That is true but Mission does attempt to cast aspersions o the non-AP community on this board - the mathletes I refer to are the ones who never post a trip report yet deem it necessary, at every turn, to put us non-AP's down

Quote: aceofspades

Exactly what I propose here - let the mathletes post a TR so we can all see their real world results using their math.