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March 14th, 2015 at 2:34:27 PM permalink
I'd love to find a housekeeper willing to work for $20/hour. It's about $100 for 3 hours here.

But I take your point. :)
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March 14th, 2015 at 2:41:23 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I'd love to find a housekeeper willing to work for $20/hour. It's about $100 for 3 hours here.

But I take your point. :)

40 hrs a week?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 14th, 2015 at 2:48:00 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

40 hrs a week?



I have friends. We'd split the time between us. Few people I know can afford $800/week. But, yes, I had a service when I was travelling a lot, and making a lot more money, that came in weekly; 2 women, 90 minutes, $90. Same lead woman every time, she changed people about yearly; they did 6 houses a day (some of their customers were 2-a-week service, a couple 3-a-week). They did floors, kitchens, bathrooms, dusting (I had 2500 sq ft of hardwood; a lot of work). I did my own/husbands cooking/dishes/laundry. It worked pretty well. And they made very good money, but boy, did they work for it.
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March 14th, 2015 at 2:54:54 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Don't be silly Ace (; That's like giving someone your client list and phone numbers. Or telling all the opposing attorneys all your strategies.


I'm DEFINITELY not a mathlete, so I can greatly appreciate guy who are mathematically gifted. There's been times a few of them that have helped me confirm some complicated play and come up with an exact percentage, value and strategy. I know the play is good and can estimate and figure out what I believe is the best way to attack it, but sometimes its to dam complex to figured out exactly. Obviously you can't do that if you're dealing with a small edge, witch I avoid anyway.

Promotions can be tricky and oftentimes there's no definitive answers, especially if you have paticular goals and prefer cash over EV (If my best EV is playing Mega Bucks slots, i'm probably not interested) . Given enough time, effort and information (the info sometimes isn't available) I'm certain they could come up with an answer. Sometimes you don't have the luxury of time, especially if something changes mid play.

Strange as it is, you will find that the most mathematically gifted guys that are into AP, are not the most successful AP's. Some of the smartest guys I have known struggle making money.

I have seen some of the smartest guys playing the worst choices during promotions. When I see that, I'm always wondering if I missed something. Ill ask them afterwards why they chose that game and not what seemed obvious to me, the normal response is... I just didn't think of that.

If you took all the AP's and aspiring AP's, lined them all up from the most mathematically intelligent to the least. Most of the money made on AP wouldn't be concentrated towards the highest mathematically gifted.

Obviously there's smart guys like Mike who become successful.

Mathematically Complex plays usually are not the most valuable.
Look at some of the big AP plays that went public, Phil Ivey and Don Johnson. That stuff had little to do with some complex math.





So us non-AP's lay it all on the line for the mathletes with our "fun" trip reports, yet the mathletes get to claim "AP privilege" when it comes to theirs? They don't have to name names in their reports - they can claim to be playing at any store they wish
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March 14th, 2015 at 2:56:30 PM permalink
Yeah, they're the "invisible men" of the board whose sole purpose is to sneak up and give you a wedgie.
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aceofspades
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March 14th, 2015 at 2:57:55 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Yeah, they're the "invisible men" of the board whose sole purpose is sneak up and give you a wedgie.




an atomic wedgie?
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March 14th, 2015 at 3:02:59 PM permalink
Back in late 2009/early 2010 I was living with a couple online poker players in a house in AZ. I got to live there rent free being the maid essentially. I also had to cook food and stuff. They desperately needed a maid too. When I got there, they had this room full of boxes from the furniture they bought. Instead of throwing their garbage into garbage bags they just threw them into the boxes instead. I had to then put all the garbage from the boxes into the bags. Some of this garbage was a couple months old and there was mold in the bottom. The grossest thing I've ever smelled. There were about 20 bags of garbage when I was all said and done. You could only squish about 4 bags of garbage in the garbage bin for the garbage men to take away per week but they'd generate about 2 new bags of garbage a week. So I'd be building piles of new garbage while disposing of the old garbage. Eventually it all caught up and there was no longer a room of garbage.
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March 14th, 2015 at 3:20:37 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

So us non-AP's lay it all on the line for the mathletes with our "fun" trip reports, yet the mathletes get to claim "AP privilege" when it comes to theirs? They don't have to name names in their reports - they can claim to be playing at any store they wish



What's the fun of reading a TR that's fake though?

Kind of defeats the purpose when details have to be changed.
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March 14th, 2015 at 3:28:29 PM permalink
Quote: sc15

What's the fun of reading a TR that's fake though?

Kind of defeats the purpose when details have to be changed.



The only thing that needs to be changed is the location of the event and the name of the participants.

It's not like the casinos aren't wise to the ways of AP.
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March 14th, 2015 at 3:30:13 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Obviously there's smart guys like Mike who become successful.


Mathematicians, people in positions of research or collaboration, ought to be able to come up with much more than loaded phrases such as, "It's gaming when the casino does it, but gambling when the player does it," and "It's not whether you win or lose, but whether you had a good bet."

One has to nearly fall over in disbelief when regular players attest to having seen/done it all; and, the so-called AP's, like mc who "lives in a shack on the internet", find fault with them.

While all of this goes on, the academics do openly produce a lot of papers on all sorts of strategy from social interdependence to computer-chip design. So, as much as the re-vamped Kelly stuff, eg, became a pillar of the stock market in quick succession (, and was later found as mathematically fallible in some ways), I would still be very wary of anything that goes on in secret.

I don't for a second doubt that a lot of money changes hands in secret, but I do realize that I'd have zero recourse should I thereby lose all of mine. Better to figure out stuff which won't instantly burn off like white phosphorous in the light of day. And, not the stuff of "Mission Impossible", a television show before my time.

If only the AP's had the mythical "patience and discipline" of the regular players...
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March 14th, 2015 at 3:31:52 PM permalink
Quote: MrV



It's not like the casinos aren't wise to the ways of AP.

often enough, they aren't, and you only need a few of them to act like morons not all of them. Anyways, my frame of mind is that it's all one big never ending trip anyways, the only "trip" timeline boundaries are those required by the I.R.S.
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March 14th, 2015 at 3:40:49 PM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

often enough, they aren't, and you only need a few of them to act like morons not all of them. Anyways, my frame of mind is that it's all one big never ending trip anyways, the only "trip" timeline boundaries are those required by the I.R.S.


Leave it to the I.R.S. to figure it out. I like that.

(Whom to be in a "cat and mouse" game?)
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March 14th, 2015 at 3:42:08 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

The only thing that needs to be changed is the location of the event and the name of the participants.

It's not like the casinos aren't wise to the ways of AP.




Exactly - say you are in Macau or Melbourne
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March 14th, 2015 at 3:55:55 PM permalink
Casinos love math experts because they often
are not very good players. They're over
confident and lack risk intelligence. Here's
a good article on it, might make a good
thread. There's even a test to take. I did
above average.

They're not Rain Man geniuses (AP's), they don't necessarily have mathematics degrees, and there is no correlation with education or IQ. But they are all comfortable with numbers, and their risk intelligence is substantially higher than average.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/new_scientist/2012/05/risk_intelligence_how_gamblers_and_weather_forecasters_assess_probabilities_.html
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March 14th, 2015 at 6:38:24 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

So us non-AP's lay it all on the line for the mathletes with our "fun" trip reports, yet the mathletes get to claim "AP privilege" when it comes to theirs? They don't have to name names in their reports - they can claim to be playing at any store they wish



I normally do not post something where I don't have something substantive to say. But this being the week-end and just back from a business trip 2 days ago and going on the casino cruise in 2 days time I thought I chip in here.

I tell you why I don't post TR. Sorry Pal, I don't read any of your "fun" trip reports.

After the trip I don't really care whether I win or lose. Maybe it is because I play small and not a hard core gambler. What I am figuring out is what my theoretical loss should be. Being a non-AP playing perfect BS my ADT is what matters to me. I know enough about variance to put aside my actual win or loss.

So when you post that you double 11 against the 6 on lost 3 times within a short time it is just normal variance to me. If you tell me that luck is not on your side and the fourth time this comes up and you did not double down then I would take notice.

I know very few are like me and there are more like you. But I am what I am.
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March 14th, 2015 at 7:03:20 PM permalink
Quote: Deck007

Sorry Pal, I don't read any of your "fun" trip reports.







You don't read any of them……..so that must surely mean you would never post in one of them…………..really…really




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March 14th, 2015 at 7:17:41 PM permalink
I would post my fun times about plays but I would cut of my income and others so I can't.... Let's just say its been a fun ride since i drove from Seattle to las Vegas 2 years ago.
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March 14th, 2015 at 7:27:17 PM permalink
Quote: Baccaratfrom79

ORIGINAL POST:

^^^^DONE



This forum is not really set up to avoid criticism and it doesn't matter if you're posting baloney or wisdom of the ages.

You can block people, though IMO, it does not give proper satisfaction.

If you really feel someone is going too far you can bring that up to the mods, and maybe something will be done. But it's not clear there is anything really out of the ordinary here. AFAICT.
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March 14th, 2015 at 7:34:28 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

You don't read any of them……..so that must surely mean you would never post in one of them…………..really…really






This was when I first ran into you and the following altercation with you and your friend BBB.

I have not read any of your 200+ threads on TR.
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March 14th, 2015 at 7:34:50 PM permalink
I seriously think, unless you are an occasional reader and going in for a certain limited thread/post/subject, it is better when the regulars understand where the members are coming from. And maybe that is why I throw in some extra details about myself, the how's and the why's. Again, if you don't enjoy reading something, just ignore it.

Myself, I don't enjoy going to a casino and grinding it out. Just not enjoyable or fun. As in my personal life and my business life, if I cant afford it or I can budget something without taking away from the necessities, I would not do it.

And by the way, I ran into an old casino pal this weekend (outside the casino and in his new restaurant) I will post a picture tomorrow what he gave me. Right up you'alls alley. I promise that!!! This will be funny.
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March 14th, 2015 at 7:55:59 PM permalink
Quote: Baccaratfrom79

I seriously think, unless you are an occasional reader and going in for a certain limited thread/post/subject, it is better when the regulars understand where the members are coming from. And maybe that is why I throw in some extra details about myself, the how's and the why's. Again, if you don't enjoy reading something, just ignore it.

Myself, I don't enjoy going to a casino and grinding it out. Just not enjoyable or fun. As in my personal life and my business life, if I cant afford it or I can budget something without taking away from the necessities, I would not do it.

And by the way, I ran into an old casino pal this weekend (outside the casino and in his new restaurant) I will post a picture tomorrow what he gave me. Right up you'alls alley. I promise that!!! This will be funny.



Just thought I give you my personal opinion here.
From the 1 or 2 of your posting that I read it seems that you are like flying in a private jet whereas the rest of us are just flying schedule airline. Together with your Voodoo play this is off-putting for many here.
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March 14th, 2015 at 7:56:37 PM permalink
You know thinking back on advantage play, that can mean a lot in baccarat. (I am not saying the following is advantaged or anything of the like) but, lets just say waiting for the right time in the right place by experience.

I knew this guy who played in AC for years at Bally' Grand. He would have $10k in chips waiting a long with about $500 or so in green. During the week it was a $50 min at the big table (before there was the Midi tables) and $100 on weekends. Anyways, he would throw in about 10 to 15 hands at min throw a shoe and waiting for a strong second line group or a long streak. He would never wager the streak and would only wager the one hand to match the streak after the streak cut and made the opposite side the one time. Those two wagers he would usually win and walk with the $20k. I would say he was successful at it about 90% or better of the times. This went on for a good couple of years.

I am not advocating or stating anything about systems. Just a nuance that was observed and highly successful. Like I said, I seen many many play this game for about 30 years or so and a lot of crash and burns and many that did prevail.
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March 14th, 2015 at 7:59:52 PM permalink
Quote: Deck007

Just thought I give you my personal opinion here.
From the 1 or 2 of your posting that I read it seems that you are like flying in a private jet whereas the rest of us are just flying schedule airline. Together with your Voodoo play this is off-putting for many here.



I fly Delta most of the time, usually first class but can do coach, free points tickets we use in coach and depends how short notice when I purchased the tix if we do first class or not. I worked long and hard over the years. What's wrong with enjoying and being pampered?? By the way, my work weeks are seldom less than 110 or 120 hours a week.
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March 14th, 2015 at 8:05:03 PM permalink
Quote: Baccaratfrom79

I fly Delta most of the time, usually first class but can do coach, free points tickets we use in coach and depends how short notice when I purchased the tix if we do first class or not. I worked long and hard over the years. What's wrong with enjoying and being pampered?? By the way, my work weeks are seldom less than 110 or 120 hours a week.



First class or private jet, we don't do that. My original personal opinion still stand.
MrV
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March 14th, 2015 at 8:12:07 PM permalink
Quote: Baccaratfrom79

By the way, my work weeks are seldom less than 110 or 120 hours a week.



Let's do the math:

24 X 7 = 168

168 -120 = 48

48 / 7 = 6.857

So you have 6.857 hours a day to sleep, watch TV, exercise your marital prerogative, hang with friends and family, eat, go online and otherwise live your daily life.

Dude, something is seriously wrong with that picture.
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March 14th, 2015 at 9:16:36 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Let's do the math:

24 X 7 = 168

168 -120 = 48

48 / 7 = 6.857

So you have 6.857 hours a day to sleep, watch TV, exercise your marital prerogative, hang with friends and family, eat, go online and otherwise live your daily life.

Dude, something is seriously wrong with that picture.



to put it another way...

120/5=24
120/6=20
120/7=17.14

We all know those first two aren't happening, and #3 doesn't look much more likely...
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March 14th, 2015 at 10:18:02 PM permalink
I'm gonna go w/ the lower end of what he said, 110 hours / week which is basically 16 hrs a day.

Given his business, that's actually not that unlikely, since it sounds like his company basically cleans up after accidents, and accidents happen 7 days a week.
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March 14th, 2015 at 10:44:11 PM permalink
I'll back sc. I'd like to make a wild ass guess that the two posters who doubt Bac79s claims don't own their own business.
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March 14th, 2015 at 11:18:35 PM permalink
Quote: Mooseton

I'll back sc. I'd like to make a wild ass guess that the two posters who doubt Bac79s claims don't own their own business.



I do own my own business but the hours are nowhere near that. But I can see where he's coming from, as my parents used to own a business that involved a lot of work (NOT 100+ hours, but it was still like 80 hours / week).

I doubt he's getting 6 hours of sleep / night with the 120 hours quote on a regular basis (that's probably an overestimation), but I could easily see him working all day every day with only time to sleep and eat if it's an intensive business. Given his field, I'm sure he's "on call" 24/7, and when he has some kind of incident he has to respond. And given that he deals with accidents, it's not like he can just blow something off and say he'll deal with it tomorrow.
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March 14th, 2015 at 11:45:23 PM permalink
He may be AVAILABLE for that amount of time, but no, I believe that he isn't actually working 120 hours a week.

He gambles: got to factor that in.

Says he loves sex: even for a guy, add a bit of time for that one, too.

Family time, sleeping, eating, going online: this takes time.

No, he's exaggerating, for reasons unknown.

He seems to be a "good guy," compelled to "prove" something.
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March 15th, 2015 at 3:10:14 AM permalink
Quote: Kerkebet

Mathematicians, people in positions of math research or collaboration with others, ought to be able to come up with much more than loaded phrases such as, "It's gaming when the casino does it, but gambling when the player does it," and "It's not whether you win or lose, but whether you had a good bet."

One has to nearly fall over in disbelief when regular players attest to having seen/done it all; and, the so-called AP's, like mc who "lives in a shack on the internet", find fault with them.

While all of this goes on, the academics do openly produce a lot of papers on all sorts of strategy from social interdependence to computer-chip design. So, as much as the re-vamped Kelly stuff, eg, became a pillar of the stock market in quick succession (, and was later found as mathematically fallible in some ways), I would still be very wary of anything that goes on in secret.

I don't for a second doubt that a lot of money changes hands in secret, but I do realize that I'd have zero recourse should I thereby lose all of mine. Better to figure out stuff which won't instantly burn off like white phosphorous in the light of day. And, not the stuff of "Mission Impossible", a television show before my time.

If only the AP's had the mythical "patience and discipline" of the regular players...

Someone here once said I had a reading comprehension problem, and I'm fine with that, I'm having that problem again, to be fair, I was out partying last night (I managed to keep my racial slurs to myself when I came here) with a group of psychologists, perhaps I'm hung over, because I really don't understand what you're trying to say.
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March 15th, 2015 at 4:02:05 AM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

So us non-AP's lay it all on the line for the mathletes with our "fun" trip reports, yet the mathletes get to claim "AP privilege" when it comes to theirs? They don't have to name names in their reports - they can claim to be playing at any store they wish



I promise to do some trip reports (I went to the Lake Tahoe Hard Rock grand opening and took some pictures, no AP other than hot chicks) however I will leave out any sensitive AP.

It's not the name of the casino that matters (I go to casinos often without APing) it's the AP play itself guys don't want to talk about.

There's many examples of publicly exposed plays that end or change soon after being talked about. Talking about things after the fact tips off the casinos of what not to
do, especially when everyone starts talking about the math and how well they did.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 15th, 2015 at 4:14:24 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

Let's do the math:

24 X 7 = 168

168 -120 = 48

48 / 7 = 6.857

So you have 6.857 hours a day to sleep, watch TV, exercise your marital prerogative, hang with friends and family, eat, go online and otherwise live your daily life.

Dude, something is seriously wrong with that picture.

He saves time by skipping showers, he eats while cleaning chemical spills.

Obviously he was greatly over exaggerating that, now we have to wonder what else he was exaggerating about and why.
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March 15th, 2015 at 5:57:03 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

He saves time by skipping showers, he eats while cleaning chemical spills.

Obviously he was greatly over exaggerating that, now we have to wonder what else he was exaggerating about and why.



Have fun twisting and turning anyway you wish. I am at my business, in by 6 am and generally leave M-F anywhere from 7PM to 10PM. Sat's are maybe 7-8AM to 6 to 7PM. Sundays vary from 8-9AM to at least 6PM. I do it every week, and every 3 or 4th weekend I am to the other house with the wife and kids and some of the weekends I am not gone, they come down to spend the weekend with me. We are building a business and that's the only to do it. End of the year, I either sell it or run it from another location, the wife wants to move. I haven't worked a 40 hour week since I was a kid.

Get up at 5am. Shower and cook breakfast. In by 6am. East lunch at the office or a block away, take 30 mins or 1 hour like everyone else. I own and run my business. Refrig, microwave, coffee maker and toaster oven. If I want take an hour and go eat somewhere. When I get home, cook dinner and watch TV for a couple hours. Do it all again. It's my work ethic. Socializing and shopping, wait for the kids when I see them or they come to stay the weekends. It is what a successful business takes. All that socializing and hanging with buddies and wasting time, I have to 86 from my life from years before, doesn't do anything for me.

I will say if you make multiple thousands a week working a 40 hour job, you need to patent that and market it. I need to leave my kids something, that I promised them.
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March 15th, 2015 at 6:11:40 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

He may be AVAILABLE for that amount of time, but no, I believe that he isn't actually working 120 hours a week.

He gambles: got to factor that in.

Says he loves sex: even for a guy, add a bit of time for that one, too.

Family time, sleeping, eating, going online: this takes time.

No, he's exaggerating, for reasons unknown.

He seems to be a "good guy," compelled to "prove" something.



Family time, we are 250 miles apart in two separate households, some weekends are together. My wife is Asian and the kids are in school and she has a huge extended family where we were at before I started this biz last May. We go to Vegas or AC or Fla several times a year for 5 to 7 nights. The rest is as I stated. It works to build the biz. Here, I will blow your mind, some eve's are entirely out on the highway as well. I said, some not all. Averages out at a min 110 hours plus a week. My salary, commission and bonuses and company assets are at stake. The sale of the biz when the time comes will be the reward or the point I can run it from the house in Florida will also be the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
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March 15th, 2015 at 6:20:50 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I'd love to find a housekeeper willing to work for $20/hour. It's about $100 for 3 hours here.

But I take your point. :)



I have a lady that comes in once a week to clean my office. Three rooms and a bathroom. 2 hours max?? $60.00 plus cleaning supplies. She also does an office trailer we have set up for the night crew and our adjacent business, their offices and bathrooms, etc. She makes about $150 for the morning.
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March 15th, 2015 at 6:27:00 AM permalink
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Have fun twisting and turning anyway you wish. I am at my business, in by 6 am and generally leave M-F anywhere from 7PM to 10PM. Sat's are maybe 7-8AM to 6 to 7PM. Sundays vary from 8-9AM to at least 6PM. I do it every week, and every 3 or 4th weekend I am to the other house with the wife and kids and some of the weekends I am not gone, they come down to spend the weekend with me. We are building a business and that's the only to do it. End of the year, I either sell it or run it from another location, the wife wants to move. I haven't worked a 40 hour week since I was a kid.



So, 13 to 16 hours per weekday (assuming no breaks or meals or errands).
12 to 13 hours on saturday, unless you're at the other house or the kids are with you or you just don't want to work that week.
9 to 10 hours on sunday, if you feel like working that day and you don't have kids to see.

That's 86 to 103 hours per week, minus the time you don't work when your family is around or you're out of town on the weekend or you're at the doctor or dentist or just eating lunch. That's a lot of hours...why lie and say 110 to 120? After having said 110, why "prove" it by giving ranges that do not add up to that number?
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March 15th, 2015 at 7:43:53 AM permalink
Why is it so important to put this guys every statement under some kind of microscope?

--I see a guy who works his butt off trying to grow a business. His business is in the early stages for him, so he works 2 to 2 1/2 times the hours most of us work. He proved he works a lot, who the heck cares about an exact number of hours?

--He does dangerous work most of us wouldn't do. Anything involving being on a highway with the idiots who think they are God's gift to driving (while drinking or texting even) is in work I would not want to do.

--He makes money by working hard and providing a necessary service. The "toys" needed to do this are expensive.

--Based on previous experience with him as a member on another board, he has likely owned and sold businesses in the past and he probably has some decent personal wealth but wants to keep building that.

--He plays Baccarat. Baccarat players don't think that they are APs and they don't exactly have a "system" like a Martingale but they do watch for patterns. Dice players look for hot shooters, card guys bump up their bets when they are going well (not including AP players in this...they play to their advantage based on the count), slot players try to find a hot machine, etc.

--The math doesn't always work in the short run even if it does in the long run. I saw two guys this week toss ten quarter bets on the "12" during a one hour period. They won three times. That is $250 bet with $2250 returned. Meanwhile, their bets on the "good bets" that work out better with the math lost about half of their chip stack. The math is correct and the casino will win in the long run...but we play against them 4 hours or so a day; they play for 24 hours a day. Sometimes that is bound to work in our favor by variance.

--A player can cut their losses early on a trip that starts off in the dump. Though they may never know what would have happened, they won't lose any more than they allow themselves to lose. On the flip side, if they start off winning they can keep going and possibly even have breaking even as the low point once an early win is established.

Player goes in with $20k and loses $15k...shuts down or only plays until he loses $20k. He lost $20k.

Player goes in with $20k and wins $20k. He keeps going. Some losing sessions and some winners, but he stays above $20k and builds on it.

I don't have experience at that level, but my experience tells me that I win more sessions that I win the first bet on than that I lose the first bet on. My problem is that I like to play, so I am likely to continue to play even though I have clearly seen that trend. You can tear into that with math but there is no need to...

I like the smart math people here. I understand tearing down systems. I just don't get attacking people who play a negative expectation game and understand that but decide to follow their chosen method of playing to enjoy that negative game. I see idiots who don't know squat about the game we are playing let alone the math of it win at the craps table all the time.
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March 15th, 2015 at 7:47:18 AM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

So, 13 to 16 hours per weekday (assuming no breaks or meals or errands).
12 to 13 hours on saturday, unless you're at the other house or the kids are with you or you just don't want to work that week.
After having said 110, why "prove" it by giving ranges that do not add up to that number?



I am there at the business, doesn't matter if I am actively physically working on a job or paperwork or answering phones or scheduling or doing payroll. Doesn't matter how long my lunch is, I am an owner, I can take 3 hours if I like, but don't. Usually more like 15 mins., my day is dedicated to my business. Of course I eat, take breaks and talk to the kids by Facetime. I also get on this board if I feel like during the day and nothing else to do. Same as a dispatcher in a lull, need to stay busy. Okay, now its time to take a picture of my little Voo-Doo gambling decision maker.
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March 15th, 2015 at 8:47:06 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I'm having that problem again, to be fair, because I really don't understand what you're trying to say.


Perhaps it's the persons who go on day after day about what they or secreted others know about gambling - the regulars, sidewinders, and experts - who haven't a clue as far as the bigger picture.

The way things are going, gambling's being "stoned to death" without having committed any sins.
Nonsense is a very hard thing to keep up. Just ask the Wizard and company.
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March 15th, 2015 at 8:54:36 AM permalink
Quote: Baccaratfrom79

I have a lady that comes in once a week to clean my office. Three rooms and a bathroom. 2 hours max?? $60.00 plus cleaning supplies. She also does an office trailer we have set up for the night crew and our adjacent business, their offices and bathrooms, etc. She makes about $150 for the morning.



$33.33/hour is still worth it. I hate cleaning and would gladly pay that and work more. maybe the housekeeper will take a room/food comp in exchange?
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March 15th, 2015 at 9:11:19 AM permalink
Quote: RonC



--He makes money by working hard and providing a necessary service. The "toys" needed to do this are expensive.

--Based on previous experience with him as a member on another board, he has likely owned and sold businesses in the past and he probably has some decent personal wealth but wants to keep building that.

.



Yes I have been 13 years in the gas station/heavy wrecker and tractor trailer garage/spill clean up business. Yes, I have been in the restaurant/bar business in NYC in 2 locations, one on 1st avenue and one on Columbus Circle (1 block north), Yes, I have been in the adult entertainment business in NYC and NJ. Yes I was in a retail businesses as well. Loved them all, make a good living at them. Lots of life experience and good traits and as well, the evil sides learned and explored. I enjoy whatever I do in profession and personal. I enjoy the casinos and gambling, shows, restaurants and attractions. Vegas or elsewhere.

Grinding and following your AP'ing protocol, win or lose and having a beer is all good. There are tons of different paths at a casino property for you, me and a dozen other people that believe and follow in different paths. However, we all the same games with different results.
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March 15th, 2015 at 9:18:58 AM permalink
Quote: Baccaratfrom79

99% spot on, a little off but if you were a psychologist you would be shorting yourself in the time department to figure out things!!!



And your second to last paragraph-and is exactly what I have wrote about and serve me well in the gambling gauge as a loss stop factor!!!!

I previously said if I win I win from the beginning and a great sign as to the way the shoes will turn out. If I lose from the beginning, not good. If I am up and down like a roller coaster it may good and might not be good. Everything combined is my 'system'. The way I am winning or losing, the trends/patterns I see if any, the aura of the players at the table(s), the way the cards are falling, and on and on and on. It is a random game, but all factors play into it as to what my outcome will be (I said mine---not yours). There is no math to calculate or search for, 95 shoes out of 100 can end in a dead heat of players and bankers and yet the next 100 shoes will produce very lopsided counts of players and bankers for each shoe total. An experienced player will use his experience to wager and capitalize on an easy winning decision. But then again, that will only be for a VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME within a shoe, and might not come forward in any given shoe as well. A player that refuses to get on a 15 Banker streak with a flat wager of $5,000.00 and keeps wagering for the cut to Player for the 14 or so times and goes bust, is not following anything except what he believes is an AP calculation that the shoe will cut to the other side. Call it Voo-Doo or Hocus Pocus, its the way the game is.
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March 15th, 2015 at 9:44:48 AM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

Perhaps if a member of the mathletes on this board actually posted a Trip Report, we could see the math in action - until then, Bacc79 should continue to post his TR which I anticipate greatly - just as I will keep posting my TR which the forum also seem to enjoy)

And just wait until Bacc79 and I play in April - a double TR!!!

Methinks the mathletes doth protest too much



Are you going to write about my Voo-Doo methods that we win by? Question is---if we do win with the Voo-Doo does that make us instant AP'ers????????????????????????? Curious. Do we wear t-shirts or something that say, 'we taught Rain Man his stuff'??? Just wondering???
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March 15th, 2015 at 10:02:06 AM permalink
AceofSpades. Question??? If you are at a blackjack table and you are playing 2 hands. You get a pair of Aces on the first hand and a pair of 8's on the second hand. Dealer showing a monkey. I am there. Seriously I tell you I got your back. Would you believe me???

Then, You split the aces. You get another ace. At that time if you believe in me, I pull my little gold monkey out. Are you with me still or not????
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March 15th, 2015 at 10:23:19 AM permalink
Quote: Baccaratfrom79

I am there at the business, doesn't matter if I am actively physically working on a job or paperwork or answering phones or scheduling or doing payroll. Doesn't matter how long my lunch is, I am an owner, I can take 3 hours if I like, but don't. Usually more like 15 mins., my day is dedicated to my business. Of course I eat, take breaks and talk to the kids by Facetime. I also get on this board if I feel like during the day and nothing else to do. Same as a dispatcher in a lull, need to stay busy. Okay, now its time to take a picture of my little Voo-Doo gambling decision maker.



Of course it matters how long your lunch is. That isn't time spent working. Same with talking with your kids by facetime and getting on this board. You can either dick around at the office, or you can brag about the time you spend working. Doing both isn't really something that is going to get you the respect that you seem to crave.

Seriously...I work 120 hours! But really it's 85 hours! Unless you deduct the time I spend not working. Then it's 60 hours! Unless you deduct the weekends when I don't work at all but that I still count towards my total. Then it's 40 hours. But I'm still special! Really Really special!
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March 15th, 2015 at 10:27:11 AM permalink
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Of course it matters how long your lunch is. That isn't time spent working. Same with talking with your kids by facetime and getting on this board. You can either dick around at the office, or you can brag about the time you spend working. Doing both isn't really something that is going to get you the respect that you seem to crave.

Seriously...I work 120 hours! But really it's 85 hours! Unless you deduct the time I spend not working. Then it's 60 hours! Unless you deduct the weekends when I don't work at all but that I still count towards my total. Then it's 40 hours. But I'm still special! Really Really special!



Some lunches are 5 mins while I am on the phone and others might be as long as 30 min's but, but rarely are. Some weeks, say 2 out of a month's 4, is greater than 110 hours sheer working except bathroom and eating and the other 2 are probably right around 100. all average out. Even you understand the laws of numbers averaging. That is all I will say. I don't care if anyone respects or believes, it is what it is and I have no reason to say anything else. I am the boss and I can do what I choose it is my company.

Next you will be questioning players on their time gambling. I spent 4 hours at a baccarat table. I played 2 hands a shoe and wagered $10k each hand. I played three shoes which took 7.5 hours total for the 3. I won $40,000.00 and cashed out. What a long 7.5 hours and the 1.0 hour commute to the casino.
Then you say, but you only play 6 hands and each hand took about 3 minuets so you only played 18 min's tops. Or do you even break it down further by saying you only play the time you handle the cards?????? Darn man..................................
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March 15th, 2015 at 10:29:07 AM permalink
Quote: Baccaratfrom79

Are you going to write about my Voo-Doo methods that we win by? Question is---if we do win with the Voo-Doo does that make us instant AP'ers????????????????????????? Curious. Do we wear t-shirts or something that say, 'we taught Rain Man his stuff'??? Just wondering???




Of course - win or lose I will write about it

We will never be AP's

You make the t-shirt, I'll wear it :)
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March 15th, 2015 at 10:29:37 AM permalink
Quote: Baccaratfrom79

AceofSpades. Question??? If you are at a blackjack table and you are playing 2 hands. You get a pair of Aces on the first hand and a pair of 8's on the second hand. Dealer showing a monkey. I am there. Seriously I tell you I got your back. Would you believe me???

Then, You split the aces. You get another ace. At that time if you believe in me, I pull my little gold monkey out. Are you with me still or not????






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March 15th, 2015 at 10:38:38 AM permalink
Quote: Baccaratfrom79

I played three shoes which took 7.5 hours total for the 3. I won $40,000.00 and cashed out. What a long 7.5 hours and the 1.0 hour commute to the casino...Then you say, but you only play 6 hands and each hand took about 3 minuets so you only played 18 min's tops.



No, I'd keep it in aggregate and ask what "work" time you gambled during. Based on the amount of time you claim to work, not a free 8.5 hour stretch in your week. Did you gamble instead of sleeping?
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