Ebola
It has been discovered in Texas, and it is reported that the carrier vomited while ill outside his apartment; up to eighty people whom he came in contact with have been identified.
Serious stuff, no question.
I wonder whether the nascent ebola outbreak will cause people to cancel travel plans to Las Vegas?
Lots of vomit on the strip, and people from all over the world are there: including travelers from ebola-infected African countries.
While I'm not quite hitting the Panic Button, we are going to stock up on groceries, especially non-perishables, "just in case."
On a darker note, my wife asked me, after reading the article about ebola: "how many bullets do we have?"
She fears something akin to mass chaos and disorder could erupt if this thing spirals out of control.
Interesting times.
*old Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times*
More than anything, when I heard about him, I thought; what a selfish pig. He should have quarantined himself rather than wandering all over Texas; called the local/state public health department and said, "I'm here from Liberia and sick; do you want to send someone in (protected) rather than have me vomiting outside the apartment building, and walking into some large ER with dozens of patients?". Fluids include spit, tears, sweat, bile, urine, feces, blood. You don't have to be much more than in a conversation with someone infected to be at risk yourself. The virus can live for days, even weeks, in fluids outside the body; they're even saying it lives up to 70 days in sperm. Are you kidding me?
This has a very real potential to be worse than the influenza outbreak in WWI, which killed more Americans than the Boche did overseas.
The government should prohibit travel from the infected African countries, and prohibit entry of their citizens who try to circumnavigate the blockade by traveling through other countries first.
Ebola is much worse than bird flue (sic), rainman; fortunately the mortality rate of this strain is down to "only" approx. 50%.
tick ... tick ... tick ...
Will we dodge a bullet, or go to hell in a handbasket?
But if you do get Ebola..........good luck!
Quote: beachbumbabsMore than anything, when I heard about him, I thought; what a selfish pig.
Only takes a couple.
One of the major flu pandemics killed a lot of people by sweeping through twice, months later, when people thought the worst was over.
ebola is very hard to get. And if you get
it in the US, your chance of survival is
almost 100%. Your chance in a 3rd world
crap hole is almost zero.
Quote: mcallister3200I am just waiting for someone to blame it on Obama and compare it to a smoking chimpanzee. Can we have Larry S back for a minute?
Ebola is like a chimpanzee doused in gasoline, lit on fire, and recently put out. And Obama did it.
It is so ironic that the TSA is worried about what gets on a plane here and leaves, and we still allow direct flights from Liberia or Sierra Leone. A number of other country's have already halted flights weeks ago including France and Korea.
So if you were in West Africa and knew you had had exposure [any body fluids now proved to be aerosol] where would you head for, a country that was trying to stop any more contamination or a country that says its treatable and will allow you in?
USA. gov, thanks for looking out for your citizens..oh wait. What do you think will kill more americans [and the UK], isis which we caused or ebola?
http://www.zerohedge.com/blogs/george-washington
food that lasts for years and can sustain two people for a year. The gun remains unfired, the food uneaten, And it's all
because they feared the Obama virus.
Quote:When in close contact (within 1 metre) of patients with EBV, health-care workers should wear face protection (a face shield or a medical mask and goggles), a clean, non-sterile long-sleeved gown, and gloves (sterile gloves for some procedures).
-World Health Organization.
Just don't come within a meter of anyone who is sick.
All those guys who piss on toilet seats in Vegas public bathrooms. F*** you too.
are you building a bunker to?Quote: MrV
While I'm not quite hitting the Panic Button, we are going to stock up on groceries, especially non-perishables, "just in case."
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Quote: RSEbola is not too contagious. Has to be spread by bodily fluid contact of an infected person. Not by air (ie flu). There's about a 99.99% you won't catch Ebola.
But if you do get Ebola..........good luck!
I think you're under-estimating the ease of transmission. If someone infected coughs, sneezes, or has spittle come from their mouth while talking, and any part of that gets to your mucus membranes (eyes, nostrils, mouth) or on skin and is then transferred, say to food you're eating by your hand or something, ebola can survive that. While it's not "airborne", very casual contact within the vicinity can transfer it, not just direct physical contact with fluids. At least that's my understanding; they're re-evaluating a lot of things about it right now. But it seems to be more transmissible than, say, HIV.
Risk of infection?
Or in the bathroom at Bellagio an infected person sneezes, wipes their nose and immediately turns off the water tap, and 30 seconds later you touch the contaminated tap, then wipe your eyes.
Risk of infection?
You bet there is.
The government should adopt strict prophylactic measures immediately.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I suspect the suits in D.C. are alarmed but doing all they can to "avoid panic."
Panic is necessary, people: be afraid, be very afraid.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/contact-tracing-is-called-pivotal-in-fighting-ebola/ar-BB75enY
Just wondering how practical it would be for ISIS or some other whacko group that hates the USA to "weaponize" ebola and use it to attack our country?
Heck, these clowns willingly die for their cause in suicide bombings; what about them intentionally exposing volunteers to ebola, letting it incubate while they make their way to America, and when the disease becomes symptomatic and they are contagious they simply go to public places and intentionally and silently do all they can to infect unknowing Americans.
Stuff like wiping snot on door handles, mens room urinal handles and sink knobs, smearing it on plates and utensils at Las Vegas buffets: there must be lots of ways.
Quote: MrVwhat about them intentionally exposing volunteers to ebola, letting it incubate while they make their way to America
They don't have to cross the border, or recruit people to enter illegally, as long as they expose unwitting carriers in a some unrestricted country sometime before those people board a plane to the USA or elsewhere.
Quote: rxwineThey don't have to cross the border, or recruit people to enter illegally, as long as they expose unwitting carriers in a some unrestricted country sometime before those people board a plane to the USA or elsewhere.
That is true, but unknowing carriers would not be as effective in spreading the disease across America as would people who know they have it and do all they can to avoid detection and intentionally spread the disease.
An ISIS carrier could have so many contacts at so many places that they could never be identified, thus allowing the disease to get entrenched on American soil.
Heck, one determined carrier in NYC, Wash DC or Las Vegas could conceivably do more damage to this country than happened on 9-11.
I am not the only one who is worried.
ebola and ISIS threat
Have to call *bullshit* on Shoebat who confuses a virus with a bacterium. Doesn't alleviate your paranoia, Mr V, on the basic concept. Maybe that's a good thing :-)Quote: MrVThat is true, but unknowing carriers would not be as effective in spreading the disease across America as would people who know they have it and do all they can to avoid detection and intentionally spread the disease.
An ISIS carrier could have so many contacts at so many places that they could never be identified, thus allowing the disease to get entrenched on American soil.
Heck, one determined carrier in NYC, Wash DC or Las Vegas could conceivably do more damage to this country than happened on 9-11.
I am not the only one who is worried.
ebola and ISIS threat
Quote: MrV
I am not the only one who is worried.
ebola and ISIS threat
The ammunition and powdered survival food companies thank you for your paranoia and your purchases.
Here's someone not worried:
http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/hhhqqd/deathpocalypse-now---ebola-in-america---kent-sepkowitz
This is a betting site; I'll bet that this doesn't become a pandemic.
Isis and Ebola, what a joke.
If I die, it will be Heart Disease, or cancer or a car accident.
The chances of me dying from ebola are just so remote. What are the odds, 1 in a gazillion ?
Of course if you watch Foxnews, you drank the koolaide and are suffering from Ebola mania.
Quote: terapined
Of course if you watch Foxnews, you drank the koolaide and are suffering from Ebola mania.
I watch FN every day and they are totally
downplaying it. It's CNN & MSNBC that are
running thru the streets waving their arms
over their heads.
Quote: MrVThe appearance of ebola in the US is clearly cause for great concern; unchecked, a catastrophe of biblical proportions could result.
It has been discovered in Texas, and it is reported that the carrier vomited while ill outside his apartment; up to eighty people whom he came in contact with have been identified.
Serious stuff, no question.
I wonder whether the nascent ebola outbreak will cause people to cancel travel plans to Las Vegas?
Lots of vomit on the strip, and people from all over the world are there: including travelers from ebola-infected African countries.
While I'm not quite hitting the Panic Button, we are going to stock up on groceries, especially non-perishables, "just in case."
On a darker note, my wife asked me, after reading the article about ebola: "how many bullets do we have?"
She fears something akin to mass chaos and disorder could erupt if this thing spirals out of control.
Interesting times.
*old Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times*
There are 2 ways to avoid Ebola:
1) The EZ way (the 5 steps) to protect yourself:
or
2) Try this hard way to protect yourself:
If I plan to fly to LV, I'll take the EZ Option#1, of course :-)
Quote: beachbumbabsI think you're under-estimating the ease of transmission. If someone infected coughs, sneezes, or has spittle come from their mouth while talking, and any part of that gets to your mucus membranes (eyes, nostrils, mouth) or on skin and is then transferred, say to food you're eating by your hand or something, ebola can survive that. While it's not "airborne", very casual contact within the vicinity can transfer it, not just direct physical contact with fluids. At least that's my understanding; they're re-evaluating a lot of things about it right now. But it seems to be more transmissible than, say, HIV.
While it may be more transmissible, probably is more transmissible then HIV, HIV is not an incredibly transmissible disease. Also ebola is only contagious while symptomatic. Technically the reproductive rate of ebola, roughly 1.2-1.8 and anything greater then 1 could technically cause an epidemic it is unlikely that ebola would be able to maintain this reproductive rate in the US. Nigeria was easily able to handle and control the spread with no new cases reported in weeks.
Quote: TwirdmanWhile it may be more transmissible, probably is more transmissible then HIV, HIV is not an incredibly transmissible disease. Also ebola is only contagious while symptomatic. Technically the reproductive rate of ebola, roughly 1.2-1.8 and anything greater then 1 could technically cause an epidemic it is unlikely that ebola would be able to maintain this reproductive rate in the US. Nigeria was easily able to handle and control the spread with no new cases reported in weeks.
NBC News has a cameraman from Rhode Island who's been over there 4 weeks, practicing prophylactic measures, and yesterday....was diagnosed with it anyway. Now the entire crew has entered a 21-day quarantine. So I think it's wise not to under-estimate the transmissibility. Or to accept the idea that it's only contagious while symptomatic; there are indications that the exposure window may be wider.
Part of those measures are that people stand about 2 meters from each other, do not hug, kiss, shake hands, share drinks, or come into other direct contact. If that's necessary, it's certainly more transmissible than the official statements indicate. And this was Dr. Nancy Sniderman, not some superstitious Liberian, saying it was necessary.
It's the long incubation period before symptoms reveal themselves that's the real issue, IMO. Along with those indications that people don't realize they're sick and continue to socialize during a period in which they are infectious. We'll see.
Quote: beachbumbabsNBC News has a cameraman from Rhode Island who's been over there 4 weeks, practicing prophylactic measures, and yesterday....was diagnosed with it anyway. Now the entire crew has entered a 21-day quarantine. So I think it's wise not to under-estimate the transmissibility. Or to accept the idea that it's only contagious while symptomatic; there are indications that the exposure window may be wider.
Part of those measures are that people stand about 2 meters from each other, do not hug, kiss, shake hands, share drinks, or come into other direct contact. If that's necessary, it's certainly more transmissible than the official statements indicate. And this was Dr. Nancy Sniderman, not some superstitious Liberian, saying it was necessary.
It's the long incubation period before symptoms reveal themselves that's the real issue, IMO. Along with those indications that people don't realize they're sick and continue to socialize during a period in which they are infectious. We'll see.
Yes it has a long incubation period but nothing points to it being transmissible during that time the CDC says it is only transmissible during the symptomatic period or after in cases like sperm http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2014/t0728-ebola.html so barring some strong evidence I find no reason to believe it is symptomatic during non-symptomatic times. It is incredibly unlikely that it would be able to sustain a high enough reproductive rate in the US to cause massive infections. Even in the best of cases for spreading we are only seeing a reproductive rate of 1.2-1.8 which while technically high enough for epidemic it is unlikely to have such a high reproductive rate in the US. The US has the ability to quarantine far better then was done in Liberia. As for the socializing while symptomatic you can only do that for the first few days of symptoms when it is flu like since bleeding out of orifices tends to put a damper on the party.
I will see your "cdc" cya statement and raise you.
http://www.nationalnursesunited.org/press/entry/nurses-call-on-us-hospitals-to-improve-emergency-preparedness/
edit; I think it is airborne.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/08/airborne_transmission_of_ebola.html#ixzz3F0MWT7Ck
Quote: petroglyphI remember around 1980 when it was believed that only homosexual males could contract aids. Does anyone else remember that?
I will see your "cdc" cya statement and raise you.
http://www.nationalnursesunited.org/press/entry/nurses-call-on-us-hospitals-to-improve-emergency-preparedness/
You are comparing a completely new relatively unresearched disease at the time to something that has been studied for 30+ years. Also that gay related thing lasted a whopping few months amongst researchers. The immunodeficency was first noticed in 1981 targeting gay men shortly thereafter it was seen in Haitians, heroin users, and hemophiliacs, along with homosexuals hence the reason it was called 4h occasionally in the medical community. The term GRID or gay related immunodeficiency was a pop culture name and was found misleading hence the name AIDs being proposed in July 1982 by September 1982 the CDC had officially changed the name to AIDS.
Now did the myth persist in pop culture yes but that is a reason to reject popular cultures understanding of disease not the CDC. So in this case we should be rejecting the notion that ebola will become a major epidemic in the US which is what some in the general population thing and instead go to what the CDC and basically every mathematical epidemiologist says and accept that the likelihood of it becoming a US epidemic is incredibly low.
Quote: TwirdmanAs for the socializing while symptomatic you can only do that for the first few days of symptoms when it is flu like since bleeding out of orifices tends to put a damper on the party.
As long as you don't factor in someone carrying the disease in a petri dish trying to spread it intentionally.
Quote: rxwineAs long as you don't factor in someone carrying the disease in a petri dish trying to spread it intentionally.
This would be totally foolish as there are far better potential bio weapons then ebola. Ebola sounds scary I mean 60-90% mortality rate omg we're all going to die but it is incredibly slow spreading virus. Again a reproductive rate of only 1.5 or so in basically the perfect area for its spread. Also you can only spread when symptomatic it takes roughly 8-10 days on average but as high as 21 for the virus to go from infection to symptomatic but only 8-9 days after symptoms to progress to dead most likely anyone infected would seek treatment long before then which means there would be days to find people he was in contact with and quarantine them until it was discovered whether they were infected or not with basically zero risk of them spreading the virus. Also that 1.5-2 rate also is caused by poor burial processes which account for 2/3s of cases in some area. So again why would anyone try to use ebola as a bioweapon when nearly anything else would be better.
Quote: TwirdmanThis would be totally foolish as there are far better potential bio weapons then ebola. Ebola sounds scary I mean 60-90% mortality rate omg we're all going to die but it is incredibly slow spreading virus. Again a reproductive rate of only 1.5 or so in basically the perfect area for its spread. Also you can only spread when symptomatic it takes roughly 8-10 days on average but as high as 21 for the virus to go from infection to symptomatic but only 8-9 days after symptoms to progress to dead most likely anyone infected would seek treatment long before then which means there would be days to find people he was in contact with and quarantine them until it was discovered whether they were infected or not with basically zero risk of them spreading the virus. Also that 1.5-2 rate also is caused by poor burial processes which account for 2/3s of cases in some area. So again why would anyone try to use ebola as a bioweapon when nearly anything else would be better.
C'mon you got to think like a crazy person terrorist.
First of all, it's available. Smallpox and the worst varients of the flu are not.
There is no vaccine. Disruption and chaos is a form of terrorism, whether people die or not.
Children being the least hygienic humans can spread contamination, since contamination would be the initial form of infection. Wherever children are making contact with things is where you spread your contamination.
Quote: MrVThe appearance of ebola in the US is clearly cause for great concern; unchecked, a catastrophe of biblical proportions could result.
It has been discovered in Texas, and it is reported that the carrier vomited while ill outside his apartment; up to eighty people whom he came in contact with have been identified.
Serious stuff, no question.
I wonder whether the nascent ebola outbreak will cause people to cancel travel plans to Las Vegas?
Lots of vomit on the strip, and people from all over the world are there: including travelers from ebola-infected African countries.
While I'm not quite hitting the Panic Button, we are going to stock up on groceries, especially non-perishables, "just in case."
On a darker note, my wife asked me, after reading the article about ebola: "how many bullets do we have?"
She fears something akin to mass chaos and disorder could erupt if this thing spirals out of control.
Interesting times.
*old Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times*
I agree with the sentiments of Rainman and BW. Every year, we are supposed to be scared of a new disease...or at least, the same disease as last year. AIDS, SARS, bird flu, swine flu. Did you know, that the chances of a heterosexual man catching HIV from an INFECTED female through one act of unprotected
sex are approximately 1/2500? Did you know the swine flu is generally not deadly? Did you know if you wanted to contract SARS during the scare, you would have had to either travel to a different country, or break into a quarantine? Point is, ignore the hype. Ebola is not air-borne. Any vomit you find on the strip, make sure you don't eat it, rub it into your eyes or open wounds, and you'll be fine.
Quote: beachbumbabsI don't think it's time to panic. I also don't think under-reporting the degree of transmissibility is doing anyone any favors. Straight-up information is all I'm asking for, and that's not available at the moment, Twirdman's good links notwithstanding. Their understanding of this virus is evolving. If they understood what they need to, it would not be spiraling out of control in Africa, and people who turn out to be infectious would not be allowed to get on airplanes to other countries. People who enter the danger zone taking protective measures from the start would not have the virus. That's all.
That's fair and some of that information is hard to come by. One of the big reasons for the spread in Africa is burial practices http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/13/kissing-the-corpses-in-ebola-country.html this is one of the reasons that it would be less likely to spread her burial customs in the US are vastly different with significantly less touching of the corpse I mean you may have wives or husbands wailing over and touching a corpse, but it is uncommon for someone not a spouse to do it. I mean there is a problem with the first couple of days or so after you become symptomatic it is not completely obvious you have ebola, so travel and other things may occur then, but given a more significant outbreak I think travel would be far more heavily restricted so this wouldn't be an issue. As for transmittable that is a hard stat that is not known right now, the closest being reproductive rate that I mentioned which was like a 2 but this is related to 3 things length of time people are contagious, number of people they come into contact with, and probability of a person transferring it to an uninfected person. I mean you were right when you said more likely to spread then AIDs since while AIDS has a reproductive rate of nearly 4 there is the reason that you can spread AIDs for decades possibly whereas ebola can be spread best/worst case scenerio like 5 moths or so and that is if a victim survives the virus can still be transmitted through sperm for a long period of time. I mean it is significantly lower then measles which was a 17 though that had the advantage of infecting school children who contacted lots of people in school. I am sadly not a mathematical epidemiologist, because everyone knows pure math is better then applied math, so have no idea if any research has been done to get an estimate on probability of person to person spread given certain levels of contact, though given the low reproductive rate I would assume it is low.
Please. It's not that hard to envision some sick dude (biologically and mentally) wiping his boogers on every door of First Niagara Center. It's only 20 doors, he could do it during a smoke break. Boom, 18,000 people infected. Hell, he could go to The Ralph and openly urinate on every square inch of every latrine and no one would bat an eye. Boom, 60,000 people infected. And how many people would they interact with within the week? And how many would those?
If it was that easy, it would have been done. But it's not, and it hasn't. And, it won't.
I swear to god, if you people cause another ammunition hoarding shortage....
Quote: FaceIf plagues were that easy to start, we'd already have had a thousand of them. Everyone's acting like this is the first bad bug we've ever had, and ISIS is the first group that's wanted us dead.
Please. It's not that hard to envision some sick dude (biologically and mentally) wiping his boogers on every door of First Niagara Center. It's only 20 doors, he could do it during a smoke break. Boom, 18,000 people infected. Hell, he could go to The Ralph and openly urinate on every square inch of every latrine and no one would bat an eye. Boom, 60,000 people infected. And how many people would they interact with within the week? And how many would those?
If it was that easy, it would have been done. But it's not, and it hasn't. And, it won't.
I swear to god, if you people cause another ammunition hoarding shortage....
Wrong. That fungus that literally takes over insects' brains and turns them into zombies...they wouldn't have made a videogame about it spreading to humans if they weren't 100% sure it was going to wipe us out soon.
Quote: FaceHell, he could go to The Ralph and openly urinate on every square inch of every latrine and no one would bat an eye. Boom, 60,000 people infected. And how many people would they interact with within the week? And how many would those?
Quote: SonuvabishWrong. That fungus that literally takes over insects' brains and turns them into zombies....
Woah, woah, woah, let's leave Bills fans out of this. We're suffering enough with Manuel/Orton.
you're infectious you show no symptoms, if you
show symptoms you are beyond the infectious
stage. Blood tests are the only thing that works.
A few more will get in and they will close W Africa.
As they should be doing already. Children are
at the greatest risk of dying, healthy adults in
the West not so much.
Quote: EvenBobA doc on TV said airport inspections are useless. If
you're infectious you show no symptoms, if you
show symptoms you are beyond the infectious
stage. Blood tests are the only thing that works.
.
Who said this as it clearly goes against CDC and basically every other major organizations like the WHO views on ebola http://www.who.int/csr/disease/ebola/faq-ebola/en/. I mean you are obviously infectious during the symptomatic stage as you are infectious after death which proceeds the symptomatic stage. That doctor is either far more brilliant then any of the researchers of the virus or is a quack and I'm leaning towards quack.
first week and you're still very infectious. So
an airport screening of you is worthless.
Even if a person exhibits no signs or symptoms of Ebola, he or she can still spread the virus during the incubation period.
Quote: EvenBobIs a Person Contagious During the Ebola Incubation Period?
Even if a person exhibits no signs or symptoms of Ebola, he or she can still spread the virus during the incubation period.
You are infectious during and after you show symptoms is the point. People who recover from Ebola can transmit it, as can the dead. Your post says that if you are sick, you can't infect anyone, which is absurd. People asymptomatic are less likely to transmit since they aren't bleeding everywhere. Your news story is a good example of useless misinformation to scare people into watching more news about stories that are not newsworthy.
