Miscellaneous Discussion Thread
Quote: billryanAre you telling us that the actors on the show weren't simple townsfolk
The show was the invention of college
educated Hwood writers, such a
place as Mayberry has never existed.
Even in small towns in the South
you had a variety of people, from
educated doctors and nurses and
lawyers and teachers, to the HS
dropout dumbasses. You never
had a whole town full of them.
Barney Fife was an invention of
Griffith. There was no deputy in
the pilot. Griffith had the part
written in so his Broadway buddy
Knotts could have a job. Of course
Knotts made the show, won an
Emmy every year he was on it.
Why did he marry his sister?Quote: TigerWuYou ain't lyin'.... look at his second wife:
Quote: billryanIn Europe, comic books are generally more sophisticated and for a mature audience. Many comic historians think it's because comics were first imported by GIs and Europeans just assumed they were for young adults. While most American comics are published monthly and are about 8x10, with 32 pages, European books tend to be much larger, contain more pages and are published once or twice a year.
In Japan, the comic books are for a more mature audience but they certainly aren’t more sophisticated.
Quote: billryanHe's from Mayberry and all his cousins were male.
In the case of that Berry, he Mayberry well be hitting it
Quote: AxelWolfWhy did he marry his sister?Quote: TigerWuYou ain't lyin'.... look at his second wife:
Knotts first wife in the 50's, 2nd wife in the 60's,
final wife when he got old.
Quote: MaxPenI recently finished watching all 249 Andy Griffith episodes.
Now that's real TV.😃
I didn't realize there were that many, but sadly I have probably seen them all through my 53 years. You have to love a show that started Gomer Pyle USMC and his cousin Goober.
Quote: DRichI didn't realize there were that many, but sadly I have probably seen them all through my 53 years. You have to love a show that started Gomer Pyle USMC and his cousin Goober.
Goober turned down the Spock role.
Quote:Lindsey's close friend Ernest Borgnine wrote in his autobiography, "my hand to God - he turned down the part of Mr. Spock on TV's Star Trek, the role that made Leonard Nimoy famous.
Quote: GWAEWe still haven't gotten anything for my parents for christmas. They are impossible to buy for because if they need or want something they just buy it.
Just have your kids make something for them.
Quote: darkozAccording to "Men of Tomorrow", a history of the American comic book, comics were geared specifically towards kids by Pornographers.
According to the book, with no Porn stores abundant in the 1930's, the only way to distribute porn was thru local magazine shops, and candy stands.
walking into a family business oriented candy/magazine store announcing you were a porn distributor would generally get you the boot.
Porn distributors, started paying struggling artists to create comics for kids, content quality not important (but geared for kids, they were not trying to peddle porn to kids)
then they would sell the kids comics to the magazine and candy stores. After sales of the books were successful to kids, the proprietors would ask for more comics to sell which they obliged and then would come the porn pitch.
"Hey, you know if you like those sales, I dont just specialize in kids comics. I have some more adult, risque stuff for your older clientelle. Let me know if you are interested"
As a result, comics were heavily promoted as being for kids to worm their way into stores to sell more adult product.
Well, probably some truth to this. But by the mid-60s, we were buying about 5 comics a month for 10 cents each with our allowance money. Shopping at Ben Franklin or the grocery store, a long way from the places you're talking about.
It was a tragedy for us when the price went up to 12 cents. But we kept buying them. By the time I went to college, we had a library of more than 1000. A little bit of Archie and Richie Rich, but probably 2/3 DC and the rest Marvel. They "disappeared" while I was gone to school - my folks moved both sophomore year and senior year with my dad's job, so even though I had a younger brother and sister, I think they hit the bin.
I still have Howard the Duck 1-5 somewhere. Still haven't dug them out (Aye, was it? Along with the Hilton Star Trek chips I promised), but they were 1976 or so, which is when I opened my summer bookstore, and had a large comics rack. And a dozen men's mags, and a large book rack of porn, among all the other summer fiction. I wasn't actually legal to sell that stuff, but the cops all bought from me, so nobody was going to push it.
I have too much stuff. My folks were probably the smart ones, binning the books, but I bet there would be some real value among them. Pretty sure we had all the first XMen, because I was obsessed, probably the earliest Fantastic Four as well.
Can't unbury them, so oh, well.
The Senate announced a Blue Ribbon Panel would look into the Mob and how it had infiltrated seemingly normal businesses.
Within six months, 90% of these distributors closed shop, as did the majority of comic publishers.
Follow the money.
It's a part of comic history rarely discussed.
Quote: RigondeauxI can't think of any more clear cut sign of a society in decline than it becoming normal for adults to play with toys and read children's picture books.
Pretty sure that falls under the " what I like rocks, what you like sux category. I used to think that way. Then I started high school.
I hate comics.
Have you read one?
Why would I? I hate them.
Quote: beachbumbabsA little bit of Archie and Richie Rich, but probably 2/3 DC and the rest Marvel. They "disappeared" while I was gone to school -
Same thing happened to Bill
Bryson. He cherished his comics
collection and as soon as he
left for college his mom threw
them and a huge Playboy
collection in the trash. He's
mentioned his resentment of
this in several of his books.
To me, it's a hateful and selfish
thing for a parent to do. It shows
total disrespect for the rights
of the child to read and own
what they want. My parents
would never throw away anything
of mine without asking me first.
Quote: RigondeauxI can't think of any more clear cut sign of a society in decline than it becoming normal for adults to play with toys and read children's picture books.
It actually indicates the exact opposite of a decline.
The fact that a larger and larger percentage of grown adults have an interest in, and discretionary income to buy, toys and comic books implies that almost every other need and want has already been satisfied in their lives. That means society is doing well. Look up Maslow's Hierarchy.
Quote: GWAEWe still haven't gotten anything for my parents for christmas. They are impossible to buy for because if they need or want something they just buy it.
People like that are EASY to buy for.
Just give them cash or gift cards.
Quote: RigondeauxI can't think of any more clear cut sign of a society in decline than it becoming normal for adults to play with toys and read children's picture books.
It is 100% regression.
Quote: TigerWuIt actually indicates the exact opposite of a decline.
The fact that a larger and larger percentage of grown adults have an interest in, and discretionary income to buy, toys and comic books implies that almost every other need and want has already been satisfied in their lives. That means society is doing well. Look up Maslow's Hierarchy.
I think the sad fact is that many adults can't even read at the batman BAM and POW level. The ones that can are just using this so they can brag to others that they finally read a book.
Quote: DRichI think the sad fact is that many adults can't even read at the batman BAM and POW level. The ones that can are just using this so they can brag to others that they finally read a book.
I don't think adult literacy rates and comic book collecting are related... People who have trouble reading are generally poor and uneducated, and therefore more than likely can't support the income levels needed to frivolously purchase and collect comic books.
Quote: RigondeauxI can't think of any more clear cut sign of a society in decline than it becoming normal for adults to play with toys and read children's picture books.
This is such an absurd concept.
At exactly what age should someone forget everything they care about that might be deemed childish?
Can I eat PB&J and chicken nuggets, or does that make me regressive?
Quote: RigondeauxI can't think of any more clear cut sign of a society in decline than it becoming normal for adults to play with toys and read children's picture books.
Thats like me saying there is a moral decline when adults play childrens games all day in a casino.
There are pornographic comic books specifically geared to adults
storylines geared to specifically adults.
Just like "playing games" should not mean playing Milton Bradley and Hasbro toys. it can also mean playing adult themed games and gambling, so too does collecting and reading comic books not mean everyone is collecting Marvel and Disney books.
Not that I see that as a problem either.
I would suggest you and DRich look up the comic book Maus. You might be surprised at the Holocaust themed prize winning "comic" book and where the industry is at now
Quote: darkozI would suggest you and DRich look up the comic book Maus. You might be surprised at the Holocaust themed prize winning "comic" book and where the industry is at now
Also, Neil Gaiman’s Sandman. Widely lauded by literary critics as one of the best works of Fantasy of our time.
Quote: gamerfreakThis is such an absurd concept.
At exactly what age should someone forget everything they care about that might be deemed childish?
Can I eat PB&J and chicken nuggets, or does that make me regressive?
You should only be doing adult things.
Drinking booze
smoking cigarettes
Gambling
indulging in a little pot where legal (and prostitution in legal parts of Nevada)
Only by doing adult things can we avoid the moral decline of our society thats obvious by playing with childrens toys
A survey of retailers in 2017 indicates the average age of comic book readers visiting stores is mid- to late-30's.
I remember going to comic book stores in the late 80's and early 90's and being one of the youngest people in there (at 12-16 years old). I actually got kicked out of a comic book store once just because I was younger. That's not even an exaggeration.
Comic books haven't been marketed towards children for decades.
Johnny Depp in From Hell
Blade
American Splendor
Art School Confidential
Bullet proof Monk
The list goes on......
American Gods
Watchmen
Walking Dead
All kiddie stories.
Quote: billryanTom Hanks in The Road to Perdition
Johnny Depp in From Hell
Blade
American Splendor
Art School Confidential
Bullet proof Monk
The list goes on......
American Gods
Watchmen
Walking Dead
All kiddie stories.
Dont forget
A History of Violence
Atomic Blonde
Quote:
According to University of Windsor English professor Dale Jacobs (2007), comic books require readers to create meaning using "multiple modalities." Readers of comic books must process all the different components—visual, spatial, and textual—of what they are reading and integrate these components into one solid understanding of the story. This means that, even though comic books may appeal to readers for the same reason these individuals are drawn to other forms of entertainment, such as television and video games, reading these books actually involves much more complex processing.
I bet you the research would show kids that read comic books have a significantly higher literacy rate.Quote: TigerWuI don't think adult literacy rates and comic book collecting are related... People who have trouble reading are generally poor and uneducated, and therefore more than likely can't support the income levels needed to frivolously purchase and collect comic books.
It just makes people fat and unhealthy.Quote: gamerfreak
Can I eat PB&J and chicken nuggets, or does that make me regressive?
Quote: AxelWolfIt just makes people fat and unhealthy.
My PB&Js are all natural peanut butter, pure fruit jelly, and whole grain bread.
Chicken nuggets can be made pretty healthy, too... just not the fast food or prepackaged ones.
Quote: AxelWolfI bet you the research would show kids that read comic books have a significantly higher literacy rate.
Definitely true. A kid reading anything
is a good thing. I read comic books
non stop till I was 11 and started
reading regular books. In 6th grade
my reading level was that of a
first year college student. They
thought I cheated so they gave me
the test twice. lol. It was because I
read so much, and still do.
When I think of chicken nuggets I'm always thinking of the fast-food kind, and more specifically McDonald's.Quote: TigerWuMy PB&Js are all natural peanut butter, pure fruit jelly, and whole grain bread.
Chicken nuggets can be made pretty healthy, too... just not the fast food or prepackaged ones.
Quote: TigerWuPeople like that are EASY to buy for.
Just give them cash or gift cards.
I think that is difficult. Then you have to decide how much. We decided to pay for their airfare when we go to Vegas in Aug.
That's the kind of thinking that occurs when you rot your mind with comic books.
Quote: gamerfreakThis is such an absurd concept.
At exactly what age should someone forget everything they care about that might be deemed childish?
Can I eat PB&J and chicken nuggets, or does that make me regressive?
I don't know about completely abandon. But the simple answer is you should become less interested in childish things as you become less childish.
Maybe you have some nostalgia here and there. But if your interests and activities aren't far different at 40 than at 14 you missed out on either childhood or adulthood.
I know many fans of children's funny books think that some are "serious. '. I saw the road to perdition film. Quite mediocre.
Certainly, a great artist could make a restaurant menu art, so it is theoretically possible. But that's not really the issue.
We' re talking about Electricity Man fighting professor monkey boy in his underwear. Marvel movies that should bore even a bright teen. Playing with toys. etc
Quote: RigondeauxThe hierarchy of needs point just means we have some level of material wealth. It doesn't follow that anything you spend it on is good. Or that the dumber crap people like, the more society has advanced.
That's the kind of thinking that occurs when you rot your mind with comic books.
I don't know about completely abandon. But the simple answer is you should become less interested in childish things as you become less childish.
Maybe you have some nostalgia here and there. But if your interests and activities aren't far different at 40 than at 14 you missed out on either childhood or adulthood.
I know many fans of children's funny books think that some are "serious. '. I saw the road to perdition film. Quite mediocre.
Certainly, a great artist could make a restaurant menu art, so it is theoretically possible. But that's not really the issue.
We' re talking about Electricity Man fighting professor monkey boy in his underwear. Marvel movies that should bore even a bright teen. Playing with toys. etc
And yet sales dont lie.
Billions of movie tickets and comics are not being sold to kids. Sure kids enjoy, but so do adults.
I suppose billions of people lost their childhood or adulthood in your opinion. The end of civilization.
LOL enjoy the adult booze and cigarettes. I am sticking with the comics
Quote: RigondeauxThe hierarchy of needs point just means we have some level of material wealth. It doesn't follow that anything you spend it on is good. Or that the dumber crap people like, the more society has advanced.
That's the kind of thinking that occurs when you rot your mind with comic books.
I don't know about completely abandon. But the simple answer is you should become less interested in childish things as you become less childish.
Maybe you have some nostalgia here and there. But if your interests and activities aren't far different at 40 than at 14 you missed out on either childhood or adulthood.
I know many fans of children's funny books think that some are "serious. '. I saw the road to perdition film. Quite mediocre.
Certainly, a great artist could make a restaurant menu art, so it is theoretically possible. But that's not really the issue.
We' re talking about Electricity Man fighting professor monkey boy in his underwear. Marvel movies that should bore even a bright teen. Playing with toys. etc
This whole post reads like a college freshman who just read Nietzsche for the first time. Or someone who goes to a modern art museum and pontificates about the underlying meaning of a turd in a box.
I was never into comics or superhero movies as a child, I only started liking them in my late 20’s. So it’s not nostalgia.
IMO a real adult judges entertainment for how entertaining it is, and not how sophisticated it makes them look. Otherwise it’s just posturing, which is more immature than anything else.
I recently had dinner with a family friend who is the CEO of a big tech company that everyone here has heard of. Most of our conversation was nerding out on marvel movies. I guess someone forgot to tell him that that they are only for half-wits.
Quote: darkozAnd yet sales dont lie.
No they don't. It just proves that the masses are morons.
Quote: DRichNo they don't. It just proves that the masses are morons.
No, it proves there are tons of adults
that never learned how to read
without the stimulation of pictures.
Comics were originally made just
for that reason, kids had a hard time
reading without pictures included.
When I switched from comics to books
I remember being very aware of how
much more work it was, but it quickly
became much more rewarding. There
are many adults that never learned to
do this. There are even more that never
read anything at all.
Quote: DRichNo they don't. It just proves that the masses are morons.
Didn't you say you like to watch sitcoms all day?
TV's most moronic invention behind game shows!
(I watch them too but sitcoms have traditionally been reviled as moronic mass viewing
And was it you who said they like to watch Andy Griffith reruns? Talk about reliving your youth and nostalgia lol
Quote: darkozDidn't you say you like to watch sitcoms all day?
TV's most moronic invention behind game shows!
No, I didn't. I said I watch them to fall asleep.
Anyone that doesn't believe the masses are morons should include themselves in that group.
Quote: DRichNo, I didn't. I said I watch them to fall asleep.
Anyone that doesn't believe the masses are morons should include themselves in that group.
So what do you enjoy?
What keeps you awake?
Aside from gambling obviously
(If I want to fall asleep I will put on the 8 hour documentary Shoah)
Quote: darkozSo what do you enjoy?
What keeps you awake?
Aside from gambling obviously
I really don't enjoy gambling anymore. One of the few things I enjoy is college football.
Quote: DRichI really don't enjoy gambling anymore. One of the few things I enjoy is college football.
Okay,
I happen to be someone who does NOT enjoy football or most sports.
The masses do (interestingly you have no problem with mass sports)
But I understand why people enjoy sports and I dont put them down.
And I dont suggest there are nefarious reasons for liking football like possibly trying to entice young football fans into some pedophilia by buying them hotdogs at the stadium
Quote: darkoz
And I dont suggest there are nefarious reasons for liking football like possibly trying to entice young football fans into some pedophilia by buying them hotdogs at the stadium
I wouldn't take offense if you thought that.
The simple fact is sequential art is much more complex than reading the printed word.
