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September 28th, 2019 at 8:26:49 PM permalink
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And if there's more damage oe theft done by your guests than you can afford?



Then you are probably hanging with the wrong people. I would not invite people that would be a problem.

I also would not lend my house to someone that I thought had friends that may cause a problem.
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September 28th, 2019 at 8:31:25 PM permalink
I think asking about it would be a formality, more so the older you are. I'd be quite surprised to be told no. But I would at least bring it up.
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September 28th, 2019 at 11:30:16 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

Then you are probably hanging with the wrong people. I would not invite people that would be a problem.

I also would not lend my house to someone that I thought had friends that may cause a problem.

I told Bill he could use my place and he invited one of his long time friends who he's known and trusted for many years. His friend was a highly respected club owner who was honorably discharged from the military. Unfortunately over the last year he started a bad crack habit.

More people add more chances bad things can go wrong. Always ask if you can invite someone else. For F sakes, we oftentimes ask others if it's OK to invite someone else unknown to dinner.
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September 29th, 2019 at 6:26:07 AM permalink
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Bill it's rude period. Your wrong, just admit it and move on. There's very few people who wouldn't think it's rude.

The eternal fallacy: « what I think, very few people would think otherwise. »
That’s the definition of self-righteous.

If that were true, why would the OP post the question? Why would answers differ so much? Why would most democratic countries enjoy alternance, and close to 50/50 results on many issues?

(I’m not responding to Axelwolf, that’s losing my time. I just point self-righteousness to the other members who are more open minded.)
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September 29th, 2019 at 7:32:54 AM permalink
Quote: kubikulann

The eternal fallacy: « what I think, very few people would think otherwise. »
That’s the definition of self-righteous.

If that were true, why would the OP post the question? Why would answers differ so much? Why would most democratic countries enjoy alternance, and close to 50/50 results on many issues?

(I’m not responding to Axelwolf, that’s losing my time. I just point self-righteousness to the other members who are more open minded.)

I really don't know what democratic countries has to do with all this, but here's some more examples for you...

Have you ever read one of your own posts?
Most people would think they are very well written condescending posts.

Anyways, Axelwolf is never wrong. « Define that for me.
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September 29th, 2019 at 7:56:10 AM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

I think asking about it would be a formality, more so the older you are. I'd be quite surprised to be told no. But I would at least bring it up.



That is the correct way to handle it. Communication is important just so there is no misunderstanding or hard feelings.
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September 29th, 2019 at 8:10:11 AM permalink
I think I've mentioned that twice. Communication is key. As is knowing who you are dealing with.
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September 29th, 2019 at 8:21:33 AM permalink
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That is the correct way to handle it. Communication is important just so there is no misunderstanding or hard feelings.

True. Problems arise from recent lifestyle changes, teen agers blabbing on social media, etc. House sitters should not bring guests, but it is generally understood that beach house will get girls, booze, sand, etc., not sedate tv watchers.
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September 29th, 2019 at 10:10:20 AM permalink
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Babs, et al. This discussion led me to a pretty interesting wiki about various catastrophic scenarios.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_catastrophic_risk#Likelihood.

Some of them don't really count imo. Like, if we get hit by an asteroid that's just getting unlucky. I'm more interested in how we will destroy ourselves. Some of us discussed it at dinner a couple weeks back, but I think it's possible that intelligent life almost invariably wipes itself out if and when it discovers fossil fuels. Apart from the risks posed by the fuels themselves, that seems to be when technology really takes off. Maybe thousands of intelligent species have come and gone throughout the universe in this fashion.

There are some underrated environmental issues that might not cause every person to die, but could cause the deaths of billions and who knows what that would set off. Things like unsustainable agriculture, over fishing and the depletion of the water supply.



All of India's farms were destroyed.
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USA tested a 1,000 bombs in the Nevada desert and ocean. Which is leading to cancer.
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September 29th, 2019 at 12:00:39 PM permalink
Not to beat a dead horse. But that juxtaposition is why nukes are underrated.

All the analysis about risk of nuclear war is about like, a territorial dispute between Russia and Europe in a world that is pretty orderly.

But there's a good chance places like India and (I think) Pakistan become largely uninhabitable. What happens when that kind chaos occurs and you have a bunch of nukes floating around?
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September 29th, 2019 at 1:04:30 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

Then you are probably hanging with the wrong people. I would not invite people that would be a problem.

I also would not lend my house to someone that I thought had friends that may cause a problem.



You know all of your friend’s friends well enough to judge how much damage/problems they might cause? Without having any idea which people they might bring into your home ?
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September 29th, 2019 at 3:50:12 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

Not to beat a dead horse. But that juxtaposition is why nukes are underrated.

All the analysis about risk of nuclear war is about like, a territorial dispute between Russia and Europe in a world that is pretty orderly.

But there's a good chance places like India and (I think) Pakistan become largely uninhabitable. What happens when that kind chaos occurs and you have a bunch of nukes floating around?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSKLVseJ9Xo

https://smile.amazon.com/Deadly-Deceits-Years-Forbidden-Bookshelf-ebook/dp/B00S7EFYXE/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=deadly+deceit&qid=1569807569&s=gateway&sr=8-3

"....the Soviets marched into Pyongyang on August 15, 1945,....With very little previous planning the Soviets and Americans divided Korea roughly along the 38th parallel of latitude. Kim Il-Sung (with no polical experience yet a major for the soviet red army) returned to Korea on August 22, 1945 and the Soviets appointed him head of the Provisional People's Committee......and began to consolidate power in Soviet-occupied northern Korea......On September 9, 1945, Kim Il-Sung announced the creation of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, with himself as premier...." The 1954 Geneva conference of Korea and Vietnam was to reunify and have a free election which both the north and south in both countries agreed. But foreign countries could not agree to a declaration and the idea was never passed.

In 1940, publicly, Roosevelt condemned France's occupaption of Vietnam for cheap labor and natural resources, minerals. In 1940 Japan fought the French in Vietnam aka Indochina. Roosevelt broke the 1911 commerce treaty with Japan, blocked shipments to Japan, froze Japanese assets in the USA before Pearl Harbor. All 5 Presidents from 1940 to 1975 would fund a war against Vietnam.

“The origins of the (Vietnam) war dated back to 1858 when the French invaded and colonized Indochina. The French, utilizing the Vietnamese landlord class as their puppets, turned Vietnam into a marketplace for high priced French manufactured goods and a source of cheap labor and raw materials for the “mother” country…The colonizers (the French) made laws that allowed them to confiscate peasant land, and as a result, over the ensuing decades, many peasants were left impoverished. The Indochinese Communist Party (ICP) was formed in 1930 to recapture control of the country from the French. This party evolved into Ho Chi Minh’s Vietnam Workers Party. In its first manifesto in 1930 ICP promised to “ wipe out feudal remnants [Vietnamese who cooperated with the French], to distribute land to the tillers, to overthrow imperialism, and to make Indochina completely independent.".... in Aug 1945, the Viet Minh marched into Hanoi …and proclaimed the birth of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (DRV). For a few weeks in Sept 1945, Vietnam was for the first time in recent history free of foreign domination. North and South were united under Ho. Through a series of maneuvers, the French sought to re-colonize Vietnam and to destroy Ho’s government. They installed a puppet, Bao Dai, and militarily tried to impose their will over the Vietnamese. In 1950 the US began providing direct military aid to French troops fighting in Vietnam….By 1954 the US was financing 78 % of the war. ….The 1954 Geneva Conference to negotiate an end to the war concluded in July, only a few months after the French had been defeated at Dien Bien Phu. The final declaration said that North and South Vietnam were to be reunited on the basis of free elections….In 1956 the US govt and Diem tightened the new premier’s control by calling off the elections for the reunification of North and South Vietnam that had been agreed upon in the Geneva Accords…they knew if the elections had taken place, Ho Chi Minh would have won and the country would have been reunified….President Eisenhower admitted, “I have never talked….with a person knowledgeable in Indochinese affairs who did not agree that …80 % of the population would have voted for the Communist Ho Chi Minh as their leader….In 1954 French Intelligence estimated that the communists controlled up to 90 % of the rural South Vietnam….the coup group with the US encouragement (CIA assassinated the South Vietman pres. because he was going to end the war) deposed Diem in early November 1963. In early 1964…something was needed to overcome the US public’s apathy toward the war….an entire series of US provocations occurred in the Gulf of Tonkin. They included a July 31 attack on Hon Me Island….the Aug 2 bombardment and strafing of North Vietnamese villages….and feints of attack against Hon Me Island by the US Navy destroyer Maddox… The ruse worked …North Vietnamese patrol boats…fired a few rounds at the destroyer (Maddox)…Congress reacted immediately to what became known as the Tonkin Gulf incident….The second covert operation entailed planting a weapons shipment and blaming it on the North Vietnamese. The Agency took tons of Communist-made weapons out of its warehouses, loaded them on a Vietnamese coastal vessel, faked a firefight, and then called in Western reporters and International Control Commission observers….”

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September 29th, 2019 at 4:34:03 PM permalink
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSKLVseJ9Xo

"....the Soviets marched into Pyongyang on August 15, 1945,....With very little previous planning the Soviets and Americans divided Korea roughly along the 38th parallel of latitude. Kim Il-Sung (with no polical experience yet a major for the soviet red army) returned to Korea on August 22, 1945 and the Soviets appointed him head of the Provisional People's Committee......and began to consolidate power in Soviet-occupied northern Korea......On September 9, 1945, Kim Il-Sung announced the creation of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, with himself as premier...." The 1954 Geneva conference of Korea and Vietnam was to reunify and have a free election which both the north and south in both countries agreed. But foreign countries could not agree to a declaration and the idea was never passed.

In 1940, publicly, Roosevelt condemned France's occupaption of Vietnam for cheap labor and natural resources, minerals. In 1940 Japan fought the French in Vietnam aka Indochina. Roosevelt broke the 1911 commerce treaty with Japan, blocked shipments to Japan, froze Japanese assets in the USA before Pearl Harbor. All 5 Presidents from 1940 to 1975 would fund a war against Vietnam.

The origins of the (Vietnam) war dated back to 1858 when the French invaded and colonized Indochina. The French, utilizing the Vietnamese landlord class as their puppets, turned Vietnam into a marketplace for high priced French manufactured goods and a source of cheap labor and raw materials for the “mother” country…The colonizers (the French) made laws that allowed them to confiscate peasant land, and as a result, over the ensuing decades, many peasants were left impoverished. The Indochinese Communist Party (ICP) was formed in 1930 to recapture control of the country from the French. This party evolved into Ho Chi Minh’s Vietnam Workers Party. In its first manifesto in 1930 ICP promised to “ wipe out feudal remnants [Vietnamese who cooperated with the French], to distribute land to the tillers, to overthrow imperialism, and to make Indochina completely independent.".... in Aug 1945, the Viet Minh marched into Hanoi …and proclaimed the birth of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (DRV). For a few weeks in Sept 1945, Vietnam was for the first time in recent history free of foreign domination. North and South were united under Ho. Through a series of maneuvers, the French sought to re-colonize Vietnam and to destroy Ho’s government. They installed a puppet, Bao Dai, and militarily tried to impose their will over the Vietnamese. In 1950 the US began providing direct military aid to French troops fighting in Vietnam….By 1954 the US was financing 78 % of the war. ….The 1954 Geneva Conference to negotiate an end to the war concluded in July, only a few months after the French had been defeated at Dien Bien Phu. The final declaration said that North and South Vietnam were to be reunited on the basis of free elections….In 1956 the US govt and Diem tightened the new premier’s control by calling off the elections for the reunification of North and South Vietnam that had been agreed upon in the Geneva Accords…they knew if the elections had taken place, Ho Chi Minh would have won and the country would have been reunified….President Eisenhower admitted, “I have never talked….with a person knowledgeable in Indochinese affairs who did not agree that …80 % of the population would have voted for the Communist Ho Chi Minh as their leader….In 1954 French Intelligence estimated that the communists controlled up to 90 % of the rural South Vietnam….the coup group with the US encouragement (CIA assassinated the South Vietman pres. because he was going to end the war) deposed Diem in early November 1963. In early 1964…something was needed to overcome the US public’s apathy toward the war….an entire series of US provocations occurred in the Gulf of Tonkin. They included a July 31 attack on Hon Me Island….the Aug 2 bombardment and strafing of North Vietnamese villages….and feints of attack against Hon Me Island by the US Navy destroyer Maddox… The ruse worked …North Vietnamese patrol boats…fired a few rounds at the destroyer (Maddox)…Congress reacted immediately to what became known as the Tonkin Gulf incident….The second covert operation entailed planting a weapons shipment and blaming it on the North Vietnamese. The Agency took tons of Communist-made weapons out of its warehouses, loaded them on a Vietnamese coastal vessel, faked a firefight, and then called in Western reporters and International Control Commission observers….



Quoting this to retain it, since you keep editing it.

To the best of my knowledge, this is a mash-up of facts, assumptions, and theories, but I could be wrong and /or only aware of the US slant on this. Whichever, fascinating. Thanks. Can't argue it without research, so I'm going to look into it and maybe learn something. My ex-husband's area of expertise - gonna try and get his take on it, too.
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September 29th, 2019 at 4:45:10 PM permalink
It is largely true. It was a proxy war The USA saw everyone as 'dominoes" and felt if we didn't stop them in Vietnam they would be marching into the White House next.
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September 29th, 2019 at 4:50:07 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

It is largely true. It was a proxy war The USA saw everyone as 'dominoes" and felt if we didn't stop them in Vietnam they would be marching into the White House next.



Yes, but that's a facile overview that doesn't take into account many of the things jjjoooggg said. I'm talking about things that happened for particular reasons that don't match up with his narrative. But his version of it could be more correct.
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September 29th, 2019 at 5:20:09 PM permalink
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Quote: jjjoooggg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSKLVseJ9Xo

"....the Soviets marched into Pyongyang on August 15, 1945,....With very little previous planning the Soviets and Americans divided Korea roughly along the 38th parallel of latitude. Kim Il-Sung (with no polical experience yet a major for the soviet red army) returned to Korea on August 22, 1945 and the Soviets appointed him head of the Provisional People's Committee......and began to consolidate power in Soviet-occupied northern Korea......On September 9, 1945, Kim Il-Sung announced the creation of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, with himself as premier...." The 1954 Geneva conference of Korea and Vietnam was to reunify and have a free election which both the north and south in both countries agreed. But foreign countries could not agree to a declaration and the idea was never passed.

In 1940, publicly, Roosevelt condemned France's occupaption of Vietnam for cheap labor and natural resources, minerals. In 1940 Japan fought the French in Vietnam aka Indochina. Roosevelt broke the 1911 commerce treaty with Japan, blocked shipments to Japan, froze Japanese assets in the USA before Pearl Harbor. All 5 Presidents from 1940 to 1975 would fund a war against Vietnam.

The origins of the (Vietnam) war dated back to 1858 when the French invaded and colonized Indochina. The French, utilizing the Vietnamese landlord class as their puppets, turned Vietnam into a marketplace for high priced French manufactured goods and a source of cheap labor and raw materials for the “mother” country…The colonizers (the French) made laws that allowed them to confiscate peasant land, and as a result, over the ensuing decades, many peasants were left impoverished. The Indochinese Communist Party (ICP) was formed in 1930 to recapture control of the country from the French. This party evolved into Ho Chi Minh’s Vietnam Workers Party. In its first manifesto in 1930 ICP promised to “ wipe out feudal remnants [Vietnamese who cooperated with the French], to distribute land to the tillers, to overthrow imperialism, and to make Indochina completely independent.".... in Aug 1945, the Viet Minh marched into Hanoi …and proclaimed the birth of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (DRV). For a few weeks in Sept 1945, Vietnam was for the first time in recent history free of foreign domination. North and South were united under Ho. Through a series of maneuvers, the French sought to re-colonize Vietnam and to destroy Ho’s government. They installed a puppet, Bao Dai, and militarily tried to impose their will over the Vietnamese. In 1950 the US began providing direct military aid to French troops fighting in Vietnam….By 1954 the US was financing 78 % of the war. ….The 1954 Geneva Conference to negotiate an end to the war concluded in July, only a few months after the French had been defeated at Dien Bien Phu. The final declaration said that North and South Vietnam were to be reunited on the basis of free elections….In 1956 the US govt and Diem tightened the new premier’s control by calling off the elections for the reunification of North and South Vietnam that had been agreed upon in the Geneva Accords…they knew if the elections had taken place, Ho Chi Minh would have won and the country would have been reunified….President Eisenhower admitted, “I have never talked….with a person knowledgeable in Indochinese affairs who did not agree that …80 % of the population would have voted for the Communist Ho Chi Minh as their leader….In 1954 French Intelligence estimated that the communists controlled up to 90 % of the rural South Vietnam….the coup group with the US encouragement (CIA assassinated the South Vietman pres. because he was going to end the war) deposed Diem in early November 1963. In early 1964…something was needed to overcome the US public’s apathy toward the war….an entire series of US provocations occurred in the Gulf of Tonkin. They included a July 31 attack on Hon Me Island….the Aug 2 bombardment and strafing of North Vietnamese villages….and feints of attack against Hon Me Island by the US Navy destroyer Maddox… The ruse worked …North Vietnamese patrol boats…fired a few rounds at the destroyer (Maddox)…Congress reacted immediately to what became known as the Tonkin Gulf incident….The second covert operation entailed planting a weapons shipment and blaming it on the North Vietnamese. The Agency took tons of Communist-made weapons out of its warehouses, loaded them on a Vietnamese coastal vessel, faked a firefight, and then called in Western reporters and International Control Commission observers….



Quoting this to retain it, since you keep editing it.

To the best of my knowledge, this is a mash-up of facts, assumptions, and theories, but I could be wrong and /or only aware of the US slant on this. Whichever, fascinating. Thanks. Can't argue it without research, so I'm going to look into it and maybe learn something. My ex-husband's area of expertise - gonna try and get his take on it, too.



Most editing are grammatical errors. Trying to look proper and retain original text.
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September 29th, 2019 at 5:55:09 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

It is largely true. It was a proxy war The USA saw everyone as 'dominoes" and felt if we didn't stop them in Vietnam they would be marching into the White House next.



I'm not sure anyone of importance actually believed the domino theory, any more than they believed Iraq was poised to unleash invisible nukes on the U.S. Though people are able to use layers of self-deception in many ways. I always wonder if elite decision makers are able to truly have one compartment in their brain that knows that they and their friends will take a huge chunk of the treasury and put it in their pockets if a war is fought, and then have another compartment of their brain that genuinely believes the ludicrous post hoc tale tails used to justify the war that will make them all that money.

Anyway, I think that's the main reason for recent wars. It's a free pass to raid the the treasury and pocket the money. And if anyone calls you on it, THEY are the unpatriotic ones! The perfect crime.
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September 29th, 2019 at 6:10:07 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

It is largely true. It was a proxy war The USA saw everyone as 'dominoes" and felt if we didn't stop them in Vietnam they would be marching into the White House next.



https://www.britannica.com/place/Vietnam/The-conquest-of-Vietnam-by-France?fbclid=IwAR0tjJSdJ_qmmsOTiBb4w9UghyZfxZEyC1WRgPi2MxJvtP4nUVE-NHXZ-G8

"The decision to invade Vietnam was made by Napoleon III in July 1857. It was the result not only of missionary propaganda but also, after 1850, of the upsurge of French capitalism, which generated the need for overseas markets and the desire for a larger French share of the Asian territories conquered by the West....The French now moved to impose a Western-style administration on their colonial territories and to open them to economic exploitation. " Britannica

Stephen Kinzer counters the domino theory better:

http://www.c-span.org/video/?192065-1/book-discussion-overthrow-americas-century-regime-change
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September 29th, 2019 at 6:40:28 PM permalink
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Yes, but that's a facile overview that doesn't take into account many of the things jjjoooggg said. I'm talking about things that happened for particular reasons that don't match up with his narrative. But his version of it could be more correct.



The paragraph about Vietnam came from one book:

https://smile.amazon.com/Deadly-Deceits-Years-Forbidden-Bookshelf-ebook/dp/B00S7EFYXE/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=deadly+deceit&qid=1569807569&s=gateway&sr=8-3
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September 29th, 2019 at 9:36:46 PM permalink
Its always been the military-industrial-congressional complex.
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September 30th, 2019 at 1:41:36 AM permalink
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You know all of your friend’s friends well enough to judge how much damage/problems they might cause? Without having any idea which people they might bring into your home ?



I know my friends. I know who I can invite and who I can't. It's not high school where everyone shows up for a keg party. If I trust someone enough to lend them a house, I know them well enough to trust their judgement. Does stuff happen on occasion? Of course, but it's not like someone I lend a house to is going to throw a big party. If something gets damaged, my friends will do the right thing.
Perhaps lost in this is I don't lend my house to casual friends.
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September 30th, 2019 at 9:18:38 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

I know my friends. I know who I can invite and who I can't. It's not high school where everyone shows up for a keg party. If I trust someone enough to lend them a house, I know them well enough to trust their judgement. Does stuff happen on occasion? Of course, but it's not like someone I lend a house to is going to throw a big party. If something gets damaged, my friends will do the right thing.
Perhaps lost in this is I don't lend my house to casual friends.



If someone lends me his house there is a ZERO chance I invite another couple to stay with us without the explicit permission from the friend who was kind enough to lend me his house.
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September 30th, 2019 at 10:05:52 AM permalink
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If someone lends me his house there is a ZERO chance I invite another couple to stay with us without the explicit permission from the friend who was kind enough to lend me his house.



I agree, why would you just not ask?
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September 30th, 2019 at 10:05:55 AM permalink
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If someone lends me his house there is a ZERO chance I invite another couple to stay with us without the explicit permission from the friend who was kind enough to lend me his house.



I agree, why would you just not ask?
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September 30th, 2019 at 10:38:54 AM permalink
Anybody know what the highest denomination chip currently issued by a Vegas casino is? I know it's at least $100k, but do they keep bigger ones locked up for the mega-whales? I saw a $1,000,000 chip online recently but I'm not sure if it was fake or not (the casino it was "issued" from is definitely real).
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September 30th, 2019 at 10:49:50 AM permalink
Aria uses chips as large as $250,000 for the high stakes poker games they hold.
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September 30th, 2019 at 12:30:20 PM permalink
I think once you get to the stratospheric levels they call them flags and they might be separatele displayed on web sites.
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September 30th, 2019 at 12:35:22 PM permalink
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I think once you get to the stratospheric levels they call them flags and they might be separatele displayed on web sites.



And at a certain level and upward they are no longer round. At least at the places I play.

I’m sure MDawg is well versed on the makings of a $500k chip.
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September 30th, 2019 at 12:53:10 PM permalink
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Anybody know what the highest denomination chip currently issued by a Vegas casino is? I know it's at least $100k, but do they keep bigger ones locked up for the mega-whales? I saw a $1,000,000 chip online recently but I'm not sure if it was fake or not (the casino it was "issued" from is definitely real).



I have seen ones online with huge denoms but were foreign so only worth $5 usd
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September 30th, 2019 at 2:02:49 PM permalink
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I think once you get to the stratospheric levels they call them flags and they might be separatele displayed on web sites.


A flag is what they refer to for a $5,000 chip because it is usually white with a couple colours and that makes it look like a flag.
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September 30th, 2019 at 2:05:37 PM permalink
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And at a certain level and upward they are no longer round. At least at the places I play.

I’m sure MDawg is well versed on the makings of a $500k chip.


Not at Aria, they are even the normal size I believe because they fit into normal chip racks.

I just looked at some pictures Dan Blizerian posts and the 25k are definitely normal size and I believe the 100k are also normal size.
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September 30th, 2019 at 2:06:56 PM permalink
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I think once you get to the stratospheric levels they call them flags and they might be separatele displayed on web sites.


When $5000 chips are brown they call them chocolates and often $25,000 chips are red and called cranberries.
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September 30th, 2019 at 2:21:46 PM permalink
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A flag is what they refer to for a $5,000 chip because it is usually white with a couple colours and that makes it look like a flag.

I thought it was the rectangular shape irrespective of markings.
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September 30th, 2019 at 2:28:31 PM permalink
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I thought it was the rectangular shape irrespective of markings.



Flags are (round) white chips with red and blue markings on the edges.

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September 30th, 2019 at 2:52:49 PM permalink
According to the Gaming Control Board report, the biggest cash chip at Aria was $100,000. There may be bigger values, but they would probably be NCV chips for poker tournament play.

The report also notes that some hotels (e.g. Caesars) have plaques in $50k and $100k as well as chips in those values. It may depend on player preference, or game. Also, some joints go to 48mm oversized chips for larger values, while many others do not.
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According to the Gaming Control Board report, the biggest cash chip at Aria was $100,000. There may be bigger values, but they would probably be NCV chips for poker tournament play.

The report also notes that some hotels (e.g. Caesars) have plaques in $50k and $100k as well as chips in those values. It may depend on player preference, or game. Also, some joints go to 48mm oversized chips for larger values, while many others do not.



I've heard the plaques are popular in Europe and Asia, so they might break those out for Asian and Middle Eastern whales. Also heard the oversized chips are almost primarily for Baccarat. Not sure what the origin of that is, though.
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September 30th, 2019 at 10:19:48 PM permalink
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According to the Gaming Control Board report, the biggest cash chip at Aria was $100,000. There may be bigger values, but they would probably be NCV chips for poker tournament play.

The report also notes that some hotels (e.g. Caesars) have plaques in $50k and $100k as well as chips in those values. It may depend on player preference, or game. Also, some joints go to 48mm oversized chips for larger values, while many others do not.


You’re right, I can’t find the pictures of the $250,000 chips. It would have been a couple years ago that I thought I saw them so I assume I’m remembering wrong.
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hired 3 new people for 3 different roles this week. I am glad that I do not have hair or it would be gone.

Congratulations on the continued growth of your business.
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October 1st, 2019 at 8:50:17 AM permalink
Speaking of whales, baccarat, and high value plaques, here's a fun little video of a woman betting a million a hand. Not sure if that's HKD or patacas, but either way it breaks down to about US$125k per throw.
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Congratulations on the continued growth of your business.



Thank you
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hired 3 new people for 3 different roles this week. I am glad that I do not have hair or it would be gone.

Are there any potential metoo victims or did you hire some ugo's?
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Best tutorial I've ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTYcq5Ol7kE




I didn't even know RS had a youtube channel.
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Are there any potential metoo victims or did you hire some ugo's?



2 are ugo's 1 is mee too worthy
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I didn't even know RS had a youtube channel.

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