Miscellaneous Discussion Thread
Some people never lose that 'edge'. They lock a car even if they are only two feet away, they are always alert for danger. Some people live off grid, know what a grist mill is and a butter churn, grow their own food and make their own weapons.Quote: rxwineThough I might concede there is no advantage with the loss of survival skills through modern living.
I agree with some of the points he makes in that article, though. But just barely.
Mine never did and now it won't even leave the basement, but Axel's post was very informative. I had always thought birds were wonderful creatures even Jaybirds and Frigate birds though Sparrows and Cardinals were my favorites. I never knew they were governmental drones.Quote: TigerWuit doesn't seem like his elevator goes up to the top floor.
Quote: TigerWuI just read a little bit about population bottlenecks and way back in human history, like tens to hundreds of thousands of years ago, it is theorized the human population in Africa at one point dropped to 2,000 people, and just 70 in North America. We don't need many people to survive a catastrophe to continue the species, as long as they can sustain themselves.
I remember being a kid in the '80's and not being able to fathom what 2020 was even going to be like. Kind of disappointing that it's almost exactly the same except everyone has computers now and cars look a little different. The inner child in me is looking around and saying, "Huh... is this it?" (Obviously things like medicine and other sciences are light years better, but I'm talking about more everyday living scenarios.)
Really? I think as GenXers, we're in a perfect position to see the dramatic changes in the knowledge and resources available to the average person.
I think you're kind of glossing over "computers." That's like, if we all grew wings and you said, "apart from the wings..."
You can instantly access almost any movie, book, tv show, etc. ever made. You can talk face to face with people around the world for free. You can watch courses from MIT, Yale and Harvard. What might have once taken you years to learn about fitness, improving your mental health, fixing cars, cooking, running a business, etc. can now be learned in weeks. You can have anything from an obscure gourmet coffee to a custom made wallet to a frickin mattress deliverd to your front door. You can work at home.
While Adams is a fool, he makes some interesting points and one is that these younger generations have the tools to be much more well developed people. One very evident example is fitness. Younger men who get into body building and stuff look better than pro athletes did in the past. You see young guys who are just shredded all over the place. I don't think their genes are any better. They just have access to knowledge and communities to help them do it way better.
I think the changes will always be more subtle than TV/Movies cuz there they have to SHOW you what's happening and make it really conspicuous. IRL, the goal is usually to be efficient.
Speaking of cars. They look different, but also they never break down. Do youngins even know? If you had an older car that SOB would just die on you in the middle of the road from time to time. Part of life. You ever have a car that would struggle to get over a big hill? Kind of hard to believe now. The crappiest cars now have great AC, decent sound systems and last 100,000 miles.
Quote: RigondeauxSpeaking of cars. They look different, but also they never break down. Do youngins even know? If you had an older car that SOB would just die on you in the middle of the road from time to time. Part of life. You ever have a car that would struggle to get over a big hill? Kind of hard to believe now. The crappiest cars now have great AC, decent sound systems and last 100,000 miles.
Yeah, but it cost $2,700 brand new. And you could fix them without proprietary IP.
Instead we get cars that break down less and computers that will fit in our pockets. Okay, that's cool, I suppose, but a little underwhelming to ten-year-old me.
I mean, can you picture the year 2050? Is it just gonna be "Oh, hey, our cars get better gas mileage and my computer never needs charging."? 'Cause that would be a little disappointing.
Quote: TigerWuI mean, can you picture the year 2050?
You won”t be able to tell the real Nathan from a fake one.
Quote: rxwineYou won”t be able to tell the real Nathan from a fake one.
Hopefully by 2050 Oklahoma will have some decent casinos.
Quote: TigerWu
I mean, can you picture the year 2050?
Nareed still in the top 10 for # of posts
Quote:'I Decided To Lose Weight After I Realized I'd Ordered 100 Pizzas In A Year
Part of the story was the pizza delivery boy showing up and congratulating the customer for being a "Pizza VIP" based on annual pizza purchase.
I think that's a silly argument either way. However, I found this article about wealthy preppers pretty interesting. It's focused on people in tech.
"In an e-mail, Wong told me, “Most people just assume improbable events don’t happen, but technical people tend to view risk very mathematically.” He continued, “The tech preppers do not necessarily think a collapse is likely. They consider it a remote event, but one with a very severe downside, so, given how much money they have, spending a fraction of their net worth to hedge against this . . . is a logical thing to do.”"
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/doomsday-prep-for-the-super-rich
I agree with him. It's one of taleb's big points too. Unlikely things happen, so you have to consider them, especially when they have an yuge impact.
Quote: Rigondeaux“Most people just assume improbable events don’t happen, but technical people tend to view risk very mathematically.” He continued, “The tech preppers do not necessarily think a collapse is likely. They consider it a remote event, but one with a very severe downside, so, given how much money they have, spending a fraction of their net worth to hedge against this . . . is a logical thing to do.”
That's how I've always looked at it.
If there ever was a major problem, (I'd put coronal mass ejection being near the top of the list), and you don't have at least a few supplies you're toast. It doesn't take much to keep some items in the pantry that could keep you going for a long time.
Keeping those items in the pantry safe by keeping some items in the gun safe is a good idea too. When FDR closed the banks for several weeks some wealthy people were in a desperate situation.Quote: HullabalooIt doesn't take much to keep some items in the pantry that could keep you going for a long time.
Quote: RigondeauxWill it eventually become very easy to make nuclear weapons?
Hopefully never, but Boy Scout David Hahn was able to build a device in a backyard shed, that did create new radioactive material.
“Hahn diligently amassed radioactive material by collecting small amounts from household products, such as americium from smoke detectors, thorium from camping lantern mantles, radium from clocks, and tritium from gunsights. His "reactor" was a bored-out block of lead, and he used lithium from $1,000 worth of purchased batteries to purify the thorium ash using a Bunsen burner. Wikipedia
Quote: lilredroosterthe problem isn't that there are some bad cops - that's to be expected in any profession
the problem is the blue wall of silence - when one does something really bad the others will lie and cover up for him
the cops spend a lot of time trying to cultivate informants - but they won't inform on their own - very rarely anyway
this just happened in South Carolina - a suspect was on the ground and being held down by 4 cops
one of the cops punches him in the face several times while he's restrained and on the ground - it's not all that clear in the vid but you can see at least one or 2 punches
the cop who punched the guy is then interrogated by a superior - part of the cop's interrogation is on the youtube vid
the cop was later fired - now, with all the vids out there it looks like law enforcement management is starting to change their point of view
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/25/us/south-carolina-deputy-fired.html
Quote: lilredroosterthis just happened in South Carolina - a suspect was on the ground and being held down by 4 cops
one of the cops punches him in the face several times while he's restrained and on the ground - it's not all that clear in the vid but you can see at least one or 2 punches
the cop who punched the guy is then interrogated by a superior - part of the cop's interrogation is on the youtube vid
the cop was later fired - now, with all the vids out there it looks like law enforcement management is starting to change their point of view
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/25/us/south-carolina-deputy-fired.html
I am confused. Where were they? Are they like undercover in an auto shop or something? How do you know it is a superior.
I don't think he needed to hit him but what if the suspect was resisting and not allowing them to cuff him? What are they supposed to do?
Quote: GWAEQuote: lilredroosterthis just happened in South Carolina - a suspect was on the ground and being held down by 4 cops
one of the cops punches him in the face several times while he's restrained and on the ground - it's not all that clear in the vid but you can see at least one or 2 punches
the cop who punched the guy is then interrogated by a superior - part of the cop's interrogation is on the youtube vid
the cop was later fired - now, with all the vids out there it looks like law enforcement management is starting to change their point of view
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/25/us/south-carolina-deputy-fired.html
I am confused. Where were they? Are they like undercover in an auto shop or something? How do you know it is a superior.
I don't think he needed to hit him but what if the suspect was resisting and not allowing them to cuff him? What are they supposed to do?
read the new york times story - it gives more detail - I don't get what you're saying - there were 5 cops there - even if he was resisting they would easily be able to cuff him without punching him in the face - I assumed the guy questioning him was his superior - he was wearing a different uniform - I could be wrong there
Quote: rxwineI’m never usually sure if someone is resisting, or squirming because one of the guys holding him down is grinding a knee into a kidney or some other place.
When Rodney King happened, a fireman friend told me that the job of being a policeman on the street got exponentially harder. He said if the chronic bad guys were not afraid of the cops administering street justice then they had no fear of spitting at the cops, etc.... They knew the criminal justice system just kept putting the low level criminals back on the streets. I'm not saying if everyone followed the commands of a police officer that there would be NO police brutality, but it would be a small fraction of what happens today. And I'm not condoning the egregious examples a cell phone camera picks up periodically.
Quote: SOOPOOWhen Rodney King happened, a fireman friend told me that the job of being a policeman on the street got exponentially harder. He said if the chronic bad guys were not afraid of the cops administering street justice then they had no fear of spitting at the cops, etc.... They knew the criminal justice system just kept putting the low level criminals back on the streets. I'm not saying if everyone followed the commands of a police officer that there would be NO police brutality, but it would be a small fraction of what happens today. And I'm not condoning the egregious examples a cell phone camera picks up periodically.
Why do you think its okay for a cop to impose street justice? They take an oath to obey the law and protect the public. All the public, not just the rich. Maybe low level criminals keep getting released because people don't belong in jail for being accused of petty crimes. People sit in jail for months awaiting trial because their families cant afford the bail.
Maybe the world would be a better place if any cop administering street justice was fired and jailed. A punk with a badge should be treated just like any other punk. If they break the law, they should be punished and street justice is nothing but breaking the law.
Quote: lilredroosterQuote: GWAEQuote: lilredroosterthis just happened in South Carolina - a suspect was on the ground and being held down by 4 cops
one of the cops punches him in the face several times while he's restrained and on the ground - it's not all that clear in the vid but you can see at least one or 2 punches
the cop who punched the guy is then interrogated by a superior - part of the cop's interrogation is on the youtube vid
the cop was later fired - now, with all the vids out there it looks like law enforcement management is starting to change their point of view
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/25/us/south-carolina-deputy-fired.html
I am confused. Where were they? Are they like undercover in an auto shop or something? How do you know it is a superior.
I don't think he needed to hit him but what if the suspect was resisting and not allowing them to cuff him? What are they supposed to do?
read the new york times story - it gives more detail - I don't get what you're saying - there were 5 cops there - even if he was resisting they would easily be able to cuff him without punching him in the face - I assumed the guy questioning him was his superior - he was wearing a different uniform - I could be wrong there
Because someone on meth or on rood rage can cause havoc even with 5 people. Not saying that was the case but I don't know that it wasnt. If criminal a. Isnt a criminal then he isnt in that position and b. If criminal obeys the cops and gets his ass on the ground there is no need for the punches.
I am not saying cops have carte blanch but I will give them the benefit of the doubt against a criminal. How hard is it to just not resist.
Quote: GWAE
Because someone on meth or on rood rage can cause havoc even with 5 people. Not saying that was the case but I don't know that it wasnt. If criminal a. Isnt a criminal then he isnt in that position and b. If criminal obeys the cops and gets his ass on the ground there is no need for the punches.
I am not saying cops have carte blanch but I will give them the benefit of the doubt against a criminal. How hard is it to just not resist.
Police are trained, highly paid professionals. If they can't handle a guy 5 on 1 gtfo.
Pretty sure their job is not to determine who is or isn't a criminal. Let alone punish them.
While I think you are talking about an urban legend when claiming that a guy on meth can magically beat up 5 dudes with billy clubs and combat training, the police do indeed have to deal with many dysfunctional people who might be mentally ill, high, drunk, stupid. That is their job. If they don't like it, or are too cowardly to assume any risk whatsoever, gtfo.
They can't just beat the crap out of everyone who doesn't act reasonably. Teachers, paramedics, social workers, postmen and many others all have to deal with the same people, unarmed, without backup. Somehow they do it without constantly beating and killing unarmed, often innocent and out numbered people.
Lastly, cops kill over 1,000 people a year. That's a fact. We can only guess how many they pulverize. If you aren't somewhat afraid of dealing with cops, you aren't paying attention. People who know police brutality is common are probably more prone to panic when dealing with them. Again, the person might not be the most stable or intelligent. They just know that people who do a lot of killing and beating are after them.
A big part of the problem I think is that police work is very attractive to cowards and bullies. They need to be weeded out.
Quote: Rigondeaux
While I think you are talking about an urban legend
And you'd be wrong. Watch Live PD
on Youtube. There are plenty of
times when it took 4/5/6 officers
to handle one drug whacked out
perp. Even tasers don't work. And
even with that many cops it still
can take 5min to cuff the guy.
Quote: RigondeauxTeachers, paramedics, social workers, postmen and many others all have to deal with the same people, unarmed, without backup. Somehow they do it without constantly beating and killing unarmed, often innocent and out numbered people.
One more time, for the people in the back.
Quote: GWAE
If criminal a. Isnt a criminal then he isnt in that position
I get your drift.............................𝐆𝐔𝐈𝐋𝐓𝐘 𝐔𝐍𝐓𝐈𝐋 𝐏𝐑𝐎𝐕𝐄𝐍 𝐈𝐍𝐍𝐎𝐂𝐄𝐍𝐓
or maybe you think "the criminal" doesn't even deserve a chance to prove he's innocent
that was a really pathetic post
it's really astounding to think that you believe that cops never hassle or railroad innocent people
what planet are you from?
And obviously, some people are really strong to begin with. But, if you can't handle a confrontation 5 armed against 1 high, don't be a cop.
Anyway, you can believe science or something you think you saw on the internet.
https://drcarlhart.com/this-years-scary-new-drug-is-neither-new-nor-scary/
Quote:Such supposed feats of strength gave rise to a legend. “New Designer Drug Flakka Gives Users Super-Human Strength,” Yahoo News announced in a story posted last week. “You’re hearing about this aggression, super strength,” said John LaPook, chief medical correspondent at CBS News, in an April 2report. “It reminds me of angel dust in the early ’80s….I was in the emergency room at Columbia back then, and I’d know somebody who came in dusted because they’d come in with seven policemen holding down every part of their body, and they’d have, like, superhuman strength, and it sounds like this is a very similar thing.”
It does sound like a very similar thing, but not in the way LaPook means. Tales of superhuman strength have been associated with various drugs over the years, including cocaine in the early 1900s, marijuana in the 1920s and ’30s, and PCP (a.k.a. angel dust) in the 1970s and ’80s. “The notion that drugs produce superhuman strength is simply not true,” says Columbia University neuropsychopharmacologist Carl Hart, who studies the effects of stimulants such as crack cocaine and methamphetamine. “It has never been shown. This is just a continuation of the theme. It should raise red flags for people if they see ‘superhuman strength.’”
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Hart notes that people who drink too much may become “out of control or difficult to manage,” but “you can’t say [someone has] superhuman strength with alcohol because no one will believe you.” Similarly, “you can no longer make up those stories about marijuana, because there are many people in our society who have used marijuana, so if you say that, you instantly lose credibility with all of those people.” By contrast, “you can say it with these new synthetic drugs because people don’t know what these drugs are. And if they don’t know, maybe it’s true. They want to believe it. It’s a great story.”
The reality is less exciting. “When you look at the effects of cathinones in the laboratory,” Hart says, “they just look like any other stimulant.” While the agitation and paranoid delusions described in stories about flakka might be seen in some people at high doses, he says, “that’s a rare sort of thing,” and the bizarre behavior may be due to other factors, such as sleep deprivation or pre-existing psychological problems. Potentially fatal reactions such as heart attacks and hyperthermia likewise are “possible in limited and extreme situations,” he says, but “unlikely.”
A good rule of thumb is that if a drug user ends up on the news, he probably did something unusual. Yet news reports present these dramatic incidents—the paranoid streaker in Fort Lauderdale, the naked gunman in Lake Worth, the guy who attacked an 82-year-old woman in Riviera Beach, the West Park drug dealer who accidentally killed his friend with a shotgun, the man who gotimpaled while climbing the fence around the Fort Lauderdale police station—as typical. “That’s about irresponsible reporting,” says Hart. “That’s about getting readers excited to read what you’re writing.”
The problem is genetic variability. Too small a population and it’s not fit to resist environmental changes.Quote: TigerWuI just read a little bit about population bottlenecks and way back in human history, like tens to hundreds of thousands of years ago, it is theorized the human population in Africa at one point dropped to 2,000 people, and just 70 in North America. We don't need many people to survive a catastrophe to continue the species, as long as they can sustain themselves.
All human species disappeared. Why should Sapiens be different?
Many years ago, I watched a demonstration where cops tried to handcuff a suspect who was resisting. I can see how a determined person could prevent four cops from handcuffing them if they tried.
The end is in sight. Sent the penultimate 26 foot truck on its way today, carrying my BMW on a car carrier. The moving crew I'd hired bailed on me this morning. They were expected at 930 and at 8 their leader called and demanded $30 a man extra, saying the work was too hard. I drove to Russel Road and got four guys standing around at UHaul to do the job for $200.
The original crew showed up at 930 to find they were out of work.
On Tuesday, my driver got to the site, where four people were waiting to unload only to remember he left the keys to the lock on the truck in his hotel two hours away.
So while he wasted five hours going back and forth, I ended up having four guys getting paid to pretty much stand around. When he finally showed up, he brought a monsoon shower with him so we sat around another two hours waiting for it to stop raining. I'd expected to be on the road back to Vegas by noon, instead we left at 530 and got in at 455 AM so yesterday was shot.
With one trip to go, I'm still under $5,000 all in, as opposed to quotes that all started in five figures. I cant decide if all the hassle was worth the savings, which are pretty significant.
When all is said and done, I'll have shipped three 26 foot trucks packed to the gills, a 20 footer equally loaded and two large trailers filled with stuff, as well as whatever incidentals I've brought down in my CX-5 in about a half dozen trips. Shuttled two cars and a work van down there as well.
This will be my last big move. Its just too much work.
Quote: lilredroosterI get your drift.............................𝐆𝐔𝐈𝐋𝐓𝐘 𝐔𝐍𝐓𝐈𝐋 𝐏𝐑𝐎𝐕𝐄𝐍 𝐈𝐍𝐍𝐎𝐂𝐄𝐍𝐓
or maybe you think "the criminal" doesn't even deserve a chance to prove he's innocent
that was a really pathetic post
it's really astounding to think that you believe that cops never hassle or railroad innocent people
what planet are you from?
Since you cant have a normal conversation then I have no reason to carry one out with you. We are all entitled to our opinion. If you want to call me pathetic then I have no reason to converse with you.. and yea you feel you skirted an insult rule by calling my post pathetic, whatever. Good day.
Quote: Rigondeaux
Lastly, cops kill over 1,000 people a year.
I would assume criminals are killing many more than that. How many criminals a year assault police?
Quote: GWAEIf you want to call me pathetic
just for the record I didn't call you pathetic and I don't think you're pathetic
I just found that post hard to swallow
Quote: DRichI would assume criminals are killing many more than that. How many criminals a year assault police?
you're comparing criminals to police officers - police officers are supposed to be better than criminals
of course criminals kill a lot of people. nobody disputes that
a criminal will most likely face a long prison sentence for a violent crime
the question is not what you brought up - the question is if the acts of the police are not justifiable are they and should they be held accountable
I for one believe they should be held accountable - and I'm not a hater of police - I respect their work and the great risks they take
when I was much younger and quite wild I was put in a choke hold by a cop - I let my body go limp and he released it after several seconds - it was totally unnecessary - I wasn't in any way threatening violence - he just wanted to show his power
then he lied in court about what happened
but that doesn't mean I think all or most police are scoundrels - the vast majority are good cops - but the bad ones shouldn't be tolerated
Quote: lilredroosteryou're comparing criminals to police officers - police officers are supposed to be better than criminals
of course criminals kill a lot of people. nobody disputes that
a criminal will most likely face a long prison sentence for a violent crime
the question is not what you brought up - the question is if the acts of the police are not justifiable are they and should they be held accountable
I for one believe they should be held accountable - and I'm not a hater of police - I respect their work and the great risks they take
when I was much younger and quite wild I was put in a choke hold by a cop - I let my body go limp and he released it after several seconds - it was totally unnecessary - I wasn't in any way threatening violence - he just wanted to show his power
then he lied in court about what happened
but that doesn't mean I think all or most police are scoundrels - the vast majority are good cops - but the bad ones shouldn't be tolerated
I agree police should be held accountable. They should be held accountable to my standard. Clearly I am the best officiant for these tyoes of matters.
Quote: lilredroosterjust for the record I didn't call you pathetic and I don't think you're pathetic
I just found that post hard to swallow
Here is the thing, we are all on the outside. None of us know what really happened, with this case as with other cases. Don't get me wrong. I am completely against a corrupt cop or a cop using their badge as a shield. However I am adamantly against criminals and don't feel any sorrow for them when they are shot or hit. Yes you are right that they should be innocent until proven guilty but an innocent that gets to this level is not about the original crime. It is about them showing the cop disrespect and not obeying the command. If a cop comes up to me and tells me to get on the ground you bet your ass I am eating dirt. Even if I know I am innocent I will put my face on the ground. I can guarantee that I am not going to be in an altercation with them. At that point they are either going to arrest me or let me go. If they arrest me then it happens non violently and I will have my day in court. If I am truly innocent then and they had no reason to act as they did then I am raising hell, going to the media, their supervisors, and getting a lawyer.
Its ok that we have different opinions on the subject. We have led different lives in different areas and have had different interactions with people. Maybe if I lived somewhere else or have been treated poorly then my opinion would be different but at this time in my life I feel this way. I also want to ask, you appear to feel innocent until proven guilty but you seem to have the opposite feelings against the cops, why is that?
I will also knowledge that there are bad cops with abuse their power. I am not saying they are all perfect but I would trust my life with a stranger cop any day of the week.
Quote: lilredrooster
but that doesn't mean I think all or most police are scoundrels - the vast majority are good cops - but the bad ones shouldn't be tolerated
I dont think any of us would disagree with that at all.
Quote: billryanMy latest moving rant.
The end is in sight. Sent the penultimate 26 foot truck on its way today, carrying my BMW on a car carrier. The moving crew I'd hired bailed on me this morning. They were expected at 930 and at 8 their leader called and demanded $30 a man extra, saying the work was too hard. I drove to Russel Road and got four guys standing around at UHaul to do the job for $200.
The original crew showed up at 930 to find they were out of work.
On Tuesday, my driver got to the site, where four people were waiting to unload only to remember he left the keys to the lock on the truck in his hotel two hours away.
So while he wasted five hours going back and forth, I ended up having four guys getting paid to pretty much stand around. When he finally showed up, he brought a monsoon shower with him so we sat around another two hours waiting for it to stop raining. I'd expected to be on the road back to Vegas by noon, instead we left at 530 and got in at 455 AM so yesterday was shot.
With one trip to go, I'm still under $5,000 all in, as opposed to quotes that all started in five figures. I cant decide if all the hassle was worth the savings, which are pretty significant.
When all is said and done, I'll have shipped three 26 foot trucks packed to the gills, a 20 footer equally loaded and two large trailers filled with stuff, as well as whatever incidentals I've brought down in my CX-5 in about a half dozen trips. Shuttled two cars and a work van down there as well.
This will be my last big move. Its just too much work.
Bisbee is haunted though Bill. There was literally a tv show on it today.
Quote: DRichI would assume criminals are killing many more than that. How many criminals a year assault police?
LLR was right. And again many people have to deal with criminals, addicts, yahoos of various stripes. Only the police can legally kill someone who has done nothing wrong because they think that maybe they might have a gun and maybe they might use the gun and maybe they'll be able to pull the gun out and shoot at and maybe hit the cop before he can even squeeze the trigger on his drawn and aimed weapon.
Why are armed, trained professionals held to a much lower standard in this situation than anybody else? Like, if you get into an argument with some guy and shoot him and it turns out he was unarmed and had no history of violence, good luck with the "I feared for my life because he COULD have had a gun and he MIGHT have used it" defense.
Anyway, to answer your question about 50 cops per year are killed by shooting or stabbing to the 1,000 they kill.
About 150 cops are killed in car accidents. That's the bigger danger to them. Most jobs where you drive a lot are fairly dangerous.
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So, the greatest number of murdered are cops. I don't know the ratios. I guess there are many more cops than chauffeurs/taxi drivers and many more retail workers than cops, but IDK.
However, none of these other professions are allowed to beat and kill anyone they want because they are afraid.
Quote: RigondeauxAnyway, to answer your question about 50 cops per year are killed by shooting or stabbing to the 1,000 they kill.
A surprising stat, especially so because their job specifically encourages engagement with those who are more prone to do you harm.
Quote: Rigondeaux
However, none of these other professions are allowed to beat and kill anyone they want because they are afraid.
How do you feel about castile doctrine and Stand-your-ground-laws? It seems to me that anyone can kill anyone else on their property for any "perceived" threat. I am all for it but I don't value human life very highly.
Quote: DRichHow do you feel about castile doctrine and Stand-your-ground-laws? It seems to me that anyone can kill anyone else on their property for any "perceived" threat. I am all for it but I don't value human life very highly.
I don't know much about them. If it is that simple, they would seem to have the same outlook, which is to enshrine cowardice and create a window for people who are violent to get away with killing. Maybe I'm wrong. If the idea is that the moment you're afriad you just start killing people then I guess it is the same.
We might be the most fearful society to ever exist. And also the safest. We're odd that way.
Whether you value life a lot or a little, I guess it should work out the same. One person is hysterically squeezing a trigger ostennsibly to protect their life which is worth a nickle/a billion dollars and they are taking someone else's life that is worth a nickle/a billion dollars. Is it +ev or not?
How many people have been legally killed under these laws?
One big difference is cops sign up for jobs that offer excellent pay and benies because they are moderately risky and very challenging. They are trained on how to handle the situation. A normal person does not sign up for the situation and has no training. Also, they might fear for the safety of their family or others.
That's certainly a large part of the problem in such areas. You can't pay and train someone like a Best Buy employee and expect a highly effective professional.
Quote: RigondeauxYeah, I think Gamerfreak mentioned a friend who makes more as a security guard than as a cop.
That's certainly a large part of the problem in such areas. You can't pay and train someone like a Best Buy employee and expect a highly effective professional.
we had this same conversation not too long ago in this thread. My cousins kid just got hired as a cop working in a small city that is not a good area making something like $13 an hour and makes something like $14 an hour as a loss prevention person in a department store. My numbers might be off as I can not remember now but those are close.
Quote: RigondeauxBut, if you can't handle a confrontation 5 armed against 1 high, don't be a cop.
Respectfully, you don't know what you're
talking about. 'Armed' has nothing to with
it if the perp isn't armed. They aren't going
to shoot an unarmed guy. If some good
sized guy is on meth and doesn't want
to be restrained, it will take 3/4 officers
to get it done. I see it all the time. The
guy has been tazed, has a cop sitting
on his back, his legs and his head, and
is still writhing around grabbing and
biting and screaming. The 4th cop
is trying to cuff him. Drugged up
people can summon incredible
strength at times.
It's pretty entertaining. Especially
when they get repeatedly tazed
and scream like 9 year old girls.
Quote: EvenBobRespectfully, you don't know what you're
talking about. 'Armed' has nothing to with
it if the perp isn't armed. They aren't going
to shoot an unarmed guy. If some good
sized guy is on meth and doesn't want
to be restrained, it will take 3/4 officers
to get it done. I see it all the time. The
guy has been tazed, has a cop sitting
on his back, his legs and his head, and
is still writhing around grabbing and
biting and screaming. The 4th cop
is trying to cuff him. Drugged up
people can summon incredible
strength at times.
It's pretty entertaining. Especially
when they get repeatedly tazed
and scream like 9 year old girls.
Are you sure cops don't shoot unarmed guys Bob.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRMYVFmEmx8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ooa7wOKHhg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKQqgVlk0NQ
