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Quote: IbeatyouracesFor the "2018 Dead Pool" thread on DT, Kate Spade fashion designer 55.
A suicide, no less.
Hung herself with a scarf: I wonder who designed it?
Quote: MrVA suicide, no less.
Hung herself with a scarf: I wonder who designed it?
oh that is too funny.
What a coward to hang yourself when you have a 13 year old. F her
I just booked a room in a cabin for a weekend. Wife wanted to camp, I decided to glamp. We are going to spend the weekend hiking the trails and seeing the waterfalls. I hear it is really nice.
Quote: GWAEWhat a coward to hang yourself when you have a 13 year old. F her
Indeed.
I had a case where the father hung himself, and later his son was telling me how people pissed him off because they were always telling him that he'd hang himself just like his old man did.
He told me he'd prove them wrong.
A few years later he hung himself.
Sad, the dynamics which a suicide can put into play with the survivors.
Quote: MrVthey were always telling him that he'd hang himself just like his old man did.
He told me he'd prove them wrong.
A few years later he hung himself.
It's a fact that if a father kills
himself it weighs heavily on
the son to do the same thing.
Hemingway's father shot himself
and Hemingway said for decades
he would do the same thing.
It was his mother that was the
problem. She drove her husband
nuts with the constant nagging,
and no matter what Ernest did,
however much he accomplished
it wasn't enough. She emasculated
both of them to the point of
suicide.
Quote: rxwineThey will call. It always pays to be informed.
A persons debts do not die with them. Almost every will I have ever seen states that the executor must pay the deceased debts before settling the estate.
These are state laws, by the way, not Federal.
In NY, I can only be held responsible for debts my wife incurs if I co-sign for it. Co-sign for a car and you can get stuck with the payments after death or divorce. As explained to me by the lawyer who set up my estate, Nevada says any debts that originate during marriage are joint, even if I don't know about it at the time. If Wifey buys her secret boy toy a car, I'm as responsible for it as she is.
Quote: EvenBobIt's a fact that if a father kills
himself it weighs heavily on
the son to do the same thing.
Hemingway's father shot himself
and Hemingway said for decades
he would do the same thing.
It was his mother that was the
problem. She drove her husband
nuts with the constant nagging,
and no matter what Ernest did,
however much he accomplished
it wasn't enough. She emasculated
both of them to the point of
suicide.
I thought personal responsibility was a big thing for you guys. Now Ernie's dead mommy made him kill himself.
Quote: billryanA persons debts do not die with them. Almost every will I have ever seen states that the executor must pay the deceased debts before settling the estate.
The will says it, or the state law says it? As I wouldn't expect most people to worry whether their creditors were paid off after they were dead or write it into their will.
Well, I'm not going to write it in. They want something, they can come pry it out of my cold dead hands. Heh. Won't likely be a gun though.
Quote: billryanA persons debts do not die with them. Almost every will I have ever seen states that the executor must pay the deceased debts before settling the estate.
These are state laws, by the way, not Federal.
In NY, I can only be held responsible for debts my wife incurs if I co-sign for it. Co-sign for a car and you can get stuck with the payments after death or divorce. As explained to me by the lawyer who set up my estate, Nevada says any debts that originate during marriage are joint, even if I don't know about it at the time. If Wifey buys her secret boy toy a car, I'm as responsible for it as she is.
It has to do with community property laws. There are only a few states that have laws for that. IiRC most of the western states are joint.
Everyone has demons, sometimes the demons win when the various ups and downs coincide to make an excessive downer. There but for the grace of God go I.
Hemingway? Mariel Hemmingway was kind of cute in her first movie. What happened to her? I can't even recall. Did she ever get drunk in Fort Myers Beach and throw knives at waitresses?
debts? why would anyone want their debts paid off. Make the creditors hire a lawyer.
Sad all the way around.
Quote: MrVIt is reported that Ms. Spade had been fighting a diagnosed bipolar disorder.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/is-bipolar-disorder-linked-to-gut-bacteria-toronto-doctor-studies-new-treatment-1.3927277
Quote: FleaStiffEveeryone: its hanged, not hung.
Everyone has demons, sometimes the demons win when the various ups and downs coincide to make an excessive downer. There but for the grace of God go I.
Hemingway? Mariel Hemmingway was kind of cute in her first movie. What happened to her? I can't even recall. Did she ever get drunk in Fort Myers Beach and throw knives at waitresses?
debts? why would anyone want their debts paid off. Make the creditors hire a lawyer.
Mariel has famously battled mental illness throughout her life. She pretty much retired from acting, but writes self-help books about battling her illness. She had a career for about 15 years, was acclaimed for several movies, panned for others.
Her sister, Margaux, was a suicide in the 90s. Margaux had a big career also, but did not survive it. I liked Margaux a lot, was upset at the time. Wiki, for whatever reason, calls it an overdose, but Muriel calls it a suicide, so I think she would know.
Suicide may run in the family. I'm sure there are genetic studies one way or the other, but I'm not conversant on it. Pretty sure bipolar is genetic for at least some people, as it's chemical imbalance.
Worked a show once with a brilliant, beautiful actress who was bipolar. She would take her meds until she was in total manic phase, then throw them away ("cured"), then crash. Crash is REALLY ugly. For whatever reason, it was my job to get her on stage every night of a 3 week rehearsal and 6 week run.
The night she didn't show up, I had to break into her apartment and get her. She was crouched under the bathroom sink, against the toilet, chewing her fingers to bloody ribbons. Streaks of blood everywhere as she fought off the things coming for her. End of show. End of career, I think.
RIP Kate Spade. I hope it wasn't that severe for her, but very sad for her if it was.
Quote: rxwineThe will says it, or the state law says it? As I wouldn't expect most people to worry whether their creditors were paid off after they were dead or write it into their will.
Well, I'm not going to write it in. They want something, they can come pry it out of my cold dead hands. Heh. Won't likely be a gun though.
I disagree. I think most people are honorable and would want their obligations filled. If you borrow, and your intent was to see the person made whole, death isn't part of the equation.
Quote: billryanI disagree. I think most people are honorable and would want their obligations filled. If you borrow, and your intent was to see the person made whole, death isn't part of the equation.
If honor has anything to do with it, you don't try to trick the survivors into doing something that is not legally binding by making them pay for the deceased.
If honor has anything to do with it, you wouldn't charge excessive interest rates, except what makes a fair profit.
I could probably think of a bunch more, however, once we've established that honor was involved, I agree.
Quote: rxwine
If honor has anything to do with it, you wouldn't charge excessive interest rates, except what makes a fair profit.
I'm not smart enough to know what a fair interest rate to charge someone for a 1 year loan who has no credit history, no collateral, and no job. Please tell me what that rate is? I have a friend who sells furniture in a low income area, and these are his customers.
Quote: SOOPOOI'm not smart enough to know what a fair interest rate to charge someone for a 1 year loan who has no credit history, no collateral, and no job. Please tell me what that rate is? I have a friend who sells furniture in a low income area, and these are his customers.
Disreputable profession. Sorry. I knew how to get cheap furniture, if you don't need it new. Always did.
Quote: rxwineDisreputable profession. Sorry. I knew how to get cheap furniture, if you don't need it new. Always did.
I asked him about his profession. He said the 'regular' stores would never sell a $2000 living room set to a guy who would come in off the street with $1000 cash and no 'official' means to make more. So the hard working illegals, as well as prostitutes, drug dealers, bookies, etc.... would have no access to the credit he was willing to offer. So he would sell that set of furniture that costs him $900 wholesale for $1000 up front and $100 a month for 12 months. Of course there are some (many) times he doesn't see the full $2200, but some (many) times he does. I don't see it as disreputable at all.
Quote: rxwineIf honor has anything to do with it, you don't try to trick the survivors into doing something that is not legally binding by making them pay for the deceased.
If honor has anything to do with it, you wouldn't charge excessive interest rates, except what makes a fair profit.
I could probably think of a bunch more, however, once we've established that honor was involved, I agree.
The dead person owes something. If he is dead, then the estate owes it. If a home owner dies, does that mean the bank eats the mortgage and the family gets the house without paying what is owed? If he used a credit card to buy a swimming pool, is that suddenly a freebie?
I'm sorry but who decides what is a fair profit? I am a one man operation. Should I charge less than a company that employees a dozen salesmen? If a customer is willing to pay $50 to buy it at my competitors, are you suggesting it is dishonorable for me to sell at the same price because my profit margin is higher? I realize I could sell for less as my expenses are lower, but that's a competitive advantage I may or may not choose to use.
Should Flaming Frank sell his books at less than Metropolis does because he doesn't have the same overhead so would make more profit?
Not sure where you're staying but if you are not too far from Laurelville you should definitely stop by the Apple House / Laurelviile fruit Co. I believe they're on Facebook.
Best apple cider you will ever have.
Multiple caves/parks in the area. Good hike from Old mans cave to Ash cave. Old mans cave is the largest of the parks. Rock house is pretty impressive.
Quote: billryanThe dead person owes something. If he is dead, then the estate owes it. If a home owner dies, does that mean the bank eats the mortgage and the family gets the house without paying what is owed? If he used a credit card to buy a swimming pool, is that suddenly a freebie?
Don't misunderstand. I did not say I would do anything illegal. I said I am not looking to pay any dead person's obligations. I do not owe anything. I do not feel any loss of honor whether they are payed or not. And as long as I don't violate any laws, that's good enough for me. And if I'm the dead person, I'm not worried about it either.
Quote:I'm sorry but who decides what is a fair profit?
Boy, that's a longer discussion than I care to make. For instance if as some drug companies have done, and charge 4, 5, 600 percent on a drug is that fair profit? Maybe you argue yes. Maybe that's price gouging? Where does it become price gouging, and okay high prices?
Quote: linksjunkieHello. Hocking hills is great. Grew up not too far away.
Not sure where you're staying but if you are not too far from Laurelville you should definitely stop by the Apple House / Laurelviile fruit Co. I believe they're on Facebook.
Best apple cider you will ever have.
Multiple caves/parks in the area. Good hike from Old mans cave to Ash cave. Old mans cave is the largest of the parks. Rock house is pretty impressive.
I will look into that. I have seen some pictures of caves and they look fun.
Quote: billryanI disagree. I think most people are honorable and would want their obligations filled. If you borrow, and your intent was to see the person made whole, death isn't part of the equation.
being honorable doesn't mean you are ethically bound to pay off your wife's credit card bills
your wife may have been an out of control shopaholic
you are not your wife. you are a different person
that is not your problem. the credit card companies lured her into risky deals that allowed her to do that and that destroy many people and cause thousands of bankruptcies. let them suffer. it's good for them to suffer. they just pass it on to the fools who are willing to pay 24% interest anyway.
if I go on a binge in Las Vegas with my credit cards that is my responsibility to pay and mine alone. it's not my wife's responsibility.if I'm dead, well, that's just tough luck. don't ask me to shed a tear for credit card companies or big banks. my eyes are dry.
Pretty amazing.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/06/business/apple-market-value.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fbusiness&action=click&contentCollection=business®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=2&pgtype=sectionfront
Quote: lilredroosterApple is closing in on being the first company in history to have a trillion dollar market value.
Pretty amazing.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/06/business/apple-market-value.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fbusiness&action=click&contentCollection=business®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=2&pgtype=sectionfront
That’s what happens when you sell an $800 phone every other year to nearly every man, woman, and child in the US.
Quote: lilredroosterbeing honorable doesn't mean you are ethically bound to pay off your wife's credit card bills
your wife may have been an out of control shopaholic
you are not your wife. you are a different person
that is not your problem. the credit card companies lured her into risky deals that allowed her to do that and that destroy many people and cause thousands of bankruptcies. let them suffer. it's good for them to suffer. they just pass it on to the fools who are willing to pay 24% interest anyway.
if I go on a binge in Las Vegas with my credit cards that is my responsibility to pay and mine alone. it's not my wife's responsibility.if I'm dead, well, that's just tough luck. don't ask me to shed a tear for credit card companies or big banks. my eyes are dry.
Fwiw, having worked in bankrupt/deceased visa accounts at Citibank for a year....
1. There are very strict rules about how collections can approach these accounts. It usually involves lawyers.
2. The estate is classed as either "asset" or "no asset". Those two files are handled differently.
3. A lot depends on probate. Which itself depends heavily on state law. It takes months, sometimes years, to pursue and possibly net recovery, in whole or in part.
4. In evaluating risk, interest rates, depth of pursuit, even collector compensation, Citibank assumed a certain percentage of unrecoverable debt. At the time I worked there, it was about 4%, with a quarterly reset. There came a time when the file was archived without receiving any recovery. Collectors got bonuses if they could beat the assumed rate.
But this was 1985, and interest rates were sky-high. No idea what it is now, laws and the economy have changed a lot, not to mention credit practices. Point being, everyone was being charged a little more in interest to pay for the deadbeats, than they otherwise would.
Moral: IDK. Pay your bill before it accrues interest (so you're not paying for deadbeats)? Don't ever get a joint account? (That one depends on the state of residence, whether your inheritors are protected.) Die penniless?
Quote: beachbumbabs
3. A lot depends on probate. Which itself depends heavily on state law.
A lot of married couples don't have a will and when one dies the estate automatically passes to the other. No probate is required or necessary.
At least in my state. I've been through this and consulted an attorney and been advised that nothing had to be done in this situation (when a spouse dies and the other partner in the marriage is alive.) It's possible other states have different laws regarding this but to the best of my knowledge it's standard.
I believe that even without a will, the children can challenge the passing of the total estate to the other partner and create a legal action.
After one has died it is highly recommended that the living spouse creates a will.
If no will, a frequent situation is spouse gets one third and children share two-thirds.
However a will is generally advisable as is a trust document. Death in an auto accident wherein order of death is difficult to determine can be a problem so wills and trusts can avoid protracted expensive litigation. And a tort claim for wrongful death can be a major asset so differences between the will and the trust can become vital particularly as to such things as the meaning of the word "children". The word has different meanings in a will than in a trust document.
And a lottery ticket is an expectation generally subject to the will not the trust document, so be careful there too.
I would love to see more backstory on the Sith, it seems more interesting then the current characters.
Quote: djatcI saw Solo yesterday. 5/10, probably wouldn't have seen it if it didn't have the Star Wars name attached.
I would love to see more backstory on the Sith, it seems more interesting then the current characters.
I have no plans on seeing it, just like I wont watch that last non star wars star wars movie.
Quote: djatcI saw Solo yesterday. 5/10, probably wouldn't have seen it if it didn't have the Star Wars name attached.
I would love to see more backstory on the Sith, it seems more interesting then the current characters.
I grew up on ST:TNG and never saw a Star Wars movie up until a few years ago. I like the original Trilogy and all, but I will never understand what the extreme hype and fanfare is about.
Solo was alright, I’d give it a 6/10.
Quote: RSAll Star Wars movies are actually -5/7.
Bull butter.
The Empire Strikes Back alone is one of the best movies of all time. Even if you have never seen any of the other films.
Quote: KeeneoneBull butter.
The Empire Strikes Back alone is one of the best movies of all time. Even if you have never seen any of the other films.
Let me guess, you were about ten when you first saw it?
Younger. But I have seen it so many times age does not really factor into it. I loved it because it was sooooo dark and yet still exciting. The "good guys" do not even "win" in the end. How many films end like that and leave you wanting more? IMO, it is a masterpiece.Quote: billryanLet me guess, you were about ten when you first saw it?
But at the time that it first hit the theaters (1977?) it was like nothing we had ever seen.
Quote: RogerKintThe Apollo missions and 2001 were fun movies
I hear S. Kubrick directed all of those...are you a fan of his "films"??? :)
I really liked The Shining
Quote: gordonm888When you have already seen movies such as Interstellar and Gravity and Avengers: Infinity War then Star Wars does not seem like a great movie.
But at the time that it first hit the theaters (1977?) it was like nothing we had ever seen.
That's the way I remember it. I saw it in a theater in Tallahassee when it premiered. My initial thought was the FX had skipped a natural progression, like what often happens with things where you can see influences from previous work. I was dazzled enough that it felt like the movie had skipped a couple steps of natural progression. That may be hard to believe now, but it both had this comic book story with high tech effects that had come out of nowhere it seemed.
You might want to reconsider watching Rogue One, if that's the movie you are referring to. IMHO, this was the best movie of the franchise since the original trilogy.Quote: GWAEI have no plans on seeing it, just like I wont watch that last non star wars star wars movie.
I have not seen the last two movies in the franchise. I do plan to see The Last Jedi at some point, but like you, I'm not at all excited by Solo.
Quote: gamerfreakAwh man...Anthony Bourdain committed suicide.
Oh crap! :( He's one of the last people I would think would commit suicide. RIP. :(
Quote: NathanOh crap! :( He's one of the last people I would think would commit suicide. RIP. :(
I'm not super surprised. If you read his books, he talks about having terrible issues with depression and drug addiction throughout his life.
.Quote: JoemanYou might want to reconsider watching Rogue One, if that's the movie you are referring to. IMHO, this was the best movie of the franchise since the original trilogy.
I have not seen the last two movies in the franchise. I do plan to see The Last Jedi at some point, but like you, I'm not at all excited by Solo.
I read more people enjoyed Rogue One over The Last Jedi. People were like,"I can't believe I like a standalone Star Wars movie over a direct sequel!"
R.I.P.
An awful loss of creativity and perspective. I will miss him. RIP has seldom seemed so appropriate.
Quote: KeeneoneI hear S. Kubrick directed all of those...are you a fan of his "films"??? :)
I really liked The Shining
Indeed! A Clockwork Orange is one of my all time favs.
I had never even heard of that movie untill someone mentioned it on the forum. So, I loaded it up, and let's just say I didn't get that far, It just wasn't for me.Quote: RogerKintA Clockwork Orange is one of my all time favs.
I was really young when I saw the Shining. I can only remember bits and pieces. I Never took the time to rewatch it.
I was fairly young when I saw The Exorcist and that was a little scary because I actully thought that sh*t could possibly happen.
The question is...what was my mom thinking to let me watch all that stuff? perhaps she thought it was educational since she believes in all that stuff. Bigfoot, UFO's, Lochness monster, demons, possessions, angels, GOD.
However, she is not foolish enough to believe in DI or betting systems.
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