2016 Election
Quote: rxwineBetter to live to fight another day.
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If the GOP establishment fought I would agree. Instead they basically give Obama whatever he wants on most issues.
Quote: AZDuffmanIf the GOP establishment fought I would agree. Instead they basically give Obama whatever he wants on most issues.
Curious, who do you want for Speaker?
Mccarthy said he was stepping down because he could only count on 220 votes
He said the republican party needs to unite behind somebody getting all 247.
Does this person exist that can unite the republican party and get 247?
Is there anybody that really wants the job?
Heard Ryan said absolutely no
Its no doubt a hot seat.
You appease the right and shut down the govt or are described as" basically give Obama whatever he wants on most issues" :-)
For the good of the party, I think repubs will beg Boehner to stay
Maybe they'll exhume Reagan's corpse and elect that speaker. That could probably muster enough votes.
Actually on second thought, he'd be too liberal for today's GOP.
Quote: boymimboYou can't have it both ways. You want to use Benghazi against her as a reason not to vote for her, and then in the same paragraph deny that there wasn't an concerted effort to keep it going by the right.
I didn't. I was talking about people in general.
Benghazi--I think she failed as a leader in a huge way and that there were lies about the whole thing by the administration. Like all of our lying politicians, she gets a pass from her party and a fail from the other one. The same happens on the other side. Anyone listening knows that I have stated that more than once.
I predicted it would be of little political use to her and that McCarthy would not win the Speaker's chair. I am 1 for 2 at this point but I guess he could be "drafted" back into the race.
Quote: ams288Technically the Speaker does NOT have to be a member of Congress.
Maybe they'll exhume Reagan's corpse and elect that speaker. That could probably muster enough votes.
Actually on second thought, he'd be too liberal for today's GOP.
No today's liberals are just too liberal for a majority of the country. Not sure there has ever been a lazier, selfish group of people on this earth.
They worry about the climate in 100 years but don't give a damn about the debt the leave their kids. They want to be victims and complain how unfair the system is while watching dancing with the stars instead of taking a 2nd job to better themselves. Easier to blame "The man" then looking in the mirror to see who is really responsible for their lot in life.
Quote: BozThey want to be victims and complain how unfair the system is while watching dancing with the stars instead of taking a 2nd job to better themselves.
This is just hateful nonsense.
Quote: ams288This is just hateful nonsense.
I guess you never noticed the Occupy movement?
But I see why you are confused on the "2nd Job" thing as most of them didn't have a first one.
Quote: BozNo today's liberals are just too liberal for a majority of the country. Not sure there has ever been a lazier, selfish group of people on this earth.
Wow
Blown away. Where does this come from?
I am lazy and selfish? The reality is just the opposite.
I've worked hard all my life. Never gone on unemployment. Never took a handout
Selfish? My outlook is that I have compassion for those not as well off as me
I don't mind higher taxes to make sure there is a safety net to help people hurt by unfortunate circumstance get back on their feet.
I got a Vegas trip planned in 7 weeks, I can afford a little more in taxes
This being a gambling a board, I would bet all those on the left here are all hard working individuals not looking for a handout.
Seriously, lazy and selfish? Why do you think we are lazy and selfish?
Quote: ams288You asked for a reason why he's a better leader than the Republicans and I gave you one.
Moving on...
That's a pretty lame response, even for you.
Quote: TwoFeathersATLThat's a pretty lame response, even for you.
Personal insult -- three-day suspension.
Quote: terapinedWow
Blown away. Where does this come from?
I am lazy and selfish? The reality is just the opposite.
I've worked hard all my life. Never gone on unemployment. Never took a handout
Selfish? My outlook is that I have compassion for those not as well off as me
I don't mind higher taxes to make sure there is a safety net to help people hurt by unfortunate circumstance get back on their feet.
I got a Vegas trip planned in 7 weeks, I can afford a little more in taxes
This being a gambling a board, I would bet all those on the left here are all hard working individuals not looking for a handout.
Seriously, lazy and selfish? Why do you think we are lazy and selfish?
It's a standard right wing belief that liberals are lazy, unmotivated, and just looking for handouts.
Boz and AZ are just toeing the standard line that liberals don't want to work and just want to get government benefits.
It's nonsense, of course, but trying to convince them otherwise would be futile.
Quote: ams288It's a standard right wing belief that liberals are lazy, unmotivated, and just looking for handouts.
Boz and AZ are just toeing the standard line that liberals don't want to work and just want to get government benefits.
It's nonsense, of course, but trying to convince them otherwise would be futile.
Nonsense? Hardly. Have you seen the platforms of Hillary and Bernie?
Someone is in a grouchy mood. I probably shouldn't say that was a lame suspension (-;Quote: WizardPersonal insult -- three-day suspension.
Quote: WizardPersonal insult -- three-day suspension.
Wizard's getting trigger-happy.
Quote: RSWizard's getting trigger-happy.
Yeah, he said the response was lame, not the person. I see no insult here.
Quote: AZDuffmanSeems a little borderline, perhaps a warning was in order? Just IMHO.
My rule of thumb is, if you can say it to the Wizard about something he said, it's probably okay.
Would I say, "Even for you Wizard, that's lamer than usual."
Nope. Not unless I want a vacation from the board.
Quote: beachbumbabsHe said "that response was lame, even for you." Had he left it at "that response was lame", IMO not a personal insult. "even for you" is a shot at ams.
He still didn't call him lame. And this thread had nothing to do with Vegas or gambling. It should be closed.
Quote: IbeatyouracesAnd this thread had nothing to do with Vegas or gambling. It should be closed.
I have my reasons for not liking the way member blocking works, but I don't understand why someone wouldn't block a thread if they don't like it.
Is there some reason you won't block this thread?
Quote: rxwineI have my reasons for not liking the way member blocking works, but I don't understand why someone wouldn't block a thread if they don't like it.
Is there some reason you won't block this thread?
I shouldn't have too.
Quote: beachbumbabsHe said "that response was lame, even for you." Had he left it at "that response was lame", IMO not a personal insult. "even for you" is a shot at ams.
+1
Quote: beachbumbabsHe said "that response was lame, even for you." Had he left it at "that response was lame", IMO not a personal insult. "even for you" is a shot at ams.
Absolutely right. It's not that I liked the first part but the "even for you" pushed it over the line. No apologies from me for the suspension.
Quote: IbeatyouracesI shouldn't have too.
Some might call electing politicians one of those most significant and worst forms of gambling.
I suspect there are people who agree with you that this thread shouldn't be here, but perhaps in the last 1000 days the thread has been around they moved their finger slightly and hit the block thread.
Quote: IbeatyouracesI shouldn't have too.
You could block it.
You could ignore it.
You could not click on the link to it.
You could not comment in it.
It has been allowed by, and participated in, by the admins.
The 2020 Election Thread may not be allowed.
However, there is gambling/odds in this thread.
You could choose not to let it offend you in any way.
Being offended by it is a choice.
Someone else could choose to be offended by the discussion of a suspension when there is a thread already out there discussing suspensions.
Quote:Absolutely right. It's not that I liked the first part but the "even for you" pushed it over the line. No apologies from me for the suspension.
Oh no, what have you done. Now he will
go on the usual apology tour when he
returns, trying to make amends with
everybody he might have offended from grade
school on. Wiz, you don't know what you've created.
Quote: rxwine
Can't buy publicity like that. Trump has only
spent 2mil so far, Bush has spent 10's of
millions. Weirdest campaign anybody has
ever seen.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: rxwine
Can't buy publicity like that. Trump has only
spent 2mil so far, Bush has spent 10's of
millions. Weirdest campaign anybody has
ever seen.
EvenBob, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that was bought and paid for.
Female Hispanic the two demo's trump really needs help in C'mon EB
usually your the guy that sees through that staged crap.
Quote: rainmanthat sees through that staged crap.
Did you watch the video? Why do you
think it odd that a rabid Trump
supporter would be at a Trump
rally? There are millions of Latinos
here legally that love the crap out
of Trump. Look at the way he acted,
like a kid who just got a present. No
way that could have been planned,
Trump was almost acting foolish,
how many times did he touch her,
it was disgusting. Trump
is as lucky as a pig with two butt
holes, as my uncle used to say. It
was years before I knew what that
meant.
Quote: RSI worked with a Latino-something guy. He totally supported Trump, building the wall, getting rid of the illegals, etc.
It's human nature. I'm here legally, screw
everybody else.
Quote: ams288It's a standard right wing belief that liberals are lazy, unmotivated, and just looking for handouts.
Boz and AZ are just toeing the standard line that liberals don't want to work and just want to get government benefits.
It's nonsense, of course, but trying to convince them otherwise would be futile.
Sure its a one size fits all type comment that all liberals are lazy and looking for handouts. I is easy to say, you know, just like you guys like to push that all on the right are "clinging to their guns and bibles".
Generalizations are not fair or correct, but its the world we live in. Just read the comments on any post on the Huffington Post to see how far out there many liberals are. I find it sad to believe they represent most liberals, but there sure are plenty out there meeting the lazy and looking for a handout criteria/
Quote: rainman
EvenBob, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that was bought and paid for.
Female Hispanic the two demo's trump really needs help in C'mon EB
usually your the guy that sees through that staged crap.
Why is is hard to believe? I've known white males, the two demos that Hillary needs most, who are crazy for her. Yes, the woman has the same personality as a contestant on TPIR, but she clearly likes the alpha male Trump. And maybe she does not see how a candidate favoring illegal immigration is somehow helping her needs?
I'm pretty sure that is the way it should be...
The second and third candidates are a brain surgeon...smart man, but in no way qualified to be president, and a business woman with very questionable success and I am being kind to her. The top politician in the group, Marco Rubio, is a very likeable, energetic, good looking, young man that speaks extremely well. Problem is the same criticisms that Obama critics had (and have been proven right to some extent), not that much experience. As a matter of fact Rubio's experience almost mirrors Obama's. 8 years in the Florida legislator, compared to Obama's 7 years in Illinois state senate. Rubio will have 6 years (one term) of US senate at the time of presidential election compared to Obama's 4.
The democratic side even worse. A front-runner that most Americans have lost faith in and view as untrustworthy and unlikeable. Because the Dems thought she was a lock for their nomination, she has no formidable challengers. Two 70-something men, way past their prime.
Don't we as Americans (on both sides of the political spectrum) deserve far better candidates to choose from than what both these parties are offering us? This is just a sad state of affairs. :/
Quote: kewlj
Don't we as Americans (on both sides of the political spectrum) deserve far better candidates to choose from than what both these parties are offering us? This is just a sad state of affairs. :/
Simple answer....YES. Longer answer.....where are these heroes we are looking for on either side??? There is no one out there on the GOP side I can honestly say, "I wish..... would have run".
While I still think Mitt would have made a better President the past 3 years, it would have still been politics as usual and a majority of the country would not be happy with his term to date.
Quote: BozSimple answer....YES. Longer answer.....where are these heroes we are looking for on either side??? There is no one out there on the GOP side I can honestly say, "I wish..... would have run".
While I still think Mitt would have made a better President the past 3 years, it would have still been politics as usual and a majority of the country would not be happy with his term to date.
Heroes don't run because nobody is perfect
You run for President and your entire life is examined under a microscope
Term limits are an answer but I don't know if they are the perfect one. Since the incumbents have a huge advantage in their districts and states, change on an individual basis is hard. They get free mailing for a lot of the term, they have an office to do the work and another for a nearly continuous political campaign. Their pensions and benefits are too high, so there is less incentive to get out of politics. They get special parking at the airport, etc.
They really have made themselves a class of their own.
Find a way to make that class a place where people only stay a couple of terms and we'll get better people...
Nope. It's more like, "I went through a lot of hoops, so why shouldn't they?"Quote: EvenBobIt's human nature. I'm here legally, screw everybody else.
Everybody wants him because he brings
in the numbers. Put Bush on and zero
will watch. This is why the campaign is
costing Trump almost nothing. Scott
Walker went broke running ads and nobody
cared. All trump has to do is show up
somewhere. He is entertaining, and what
candidate has ever been entertaining.
Quote: EvenBobSunday Trump is on Face the Nation, CBS.
Everybody wants him because he brings
in the numbers. Put Bush on and zero
will watch. This is why the campaign is
costing Trump almost nothing. Scott
Walker went broke running ads and nobody
cared. All trump has to do is show up
somewhere. He is entertaining, and what
candidate has ever been entertaining.
I'm not a Reoublican and I would never ever vote for Trump, but I love watching his rallies and various interviews on TV.
It's all about the entertainment value with him.
He is absolutely 100% correct when he says those Republican debates would not have had nearly as high of ratings without him. Some people (including some posters on this board) claimed the ratings were a sign of some oncoming Republican "wave." No way. It was all because of the reality star at the center of the stage.
Quote: ams288I don't think that woman was a plant. Just an enthusiastic Trump supporter. Of course there will be plenty of Latinos who like him....
Well, at least one. [troll]Probably a LIV...[/troll]
When you can put out the unabashed belief that Obama is a Muslim, that screams LIV. People who polarize and completely demonize the right are just as "LIV" as those who do the same to the left.
There are really no stats linking an unemployment rate with a party affiliation. There are people taking advantage of the system no matter what the affiliation is.
Quote: boymimboWell, at least one. [troll]Probably a LIV...[/troll]
I'm sure if you search really really hard, you could find a really enthusiastic African American Jeb! supporter.
Quote: ams288Quote: boymimboWell, at least one. [troll]Probably a LIV...[/troll]
I'm sure if you search really really hard, you could find a really enthusiastic African American Jeb! supporter.
What really matters is if there is actual trending by Hispanics toward Trump. I'm not surprised by outliers in just about anything. Gay conservatives, black confederate flag supporters -- all exist too. (the black confederate flag supporter I was thinking of was killed though)
Quote: kewlj
Don't we as Americans (on both sides of the political spectrum) deserve far better candidates to choose from than what both these parties are offering us?
Actually, no, we do not. The majority, probably 60%, of the USA long ago tuned out of what mattered and became pop-culture loving zombies waiting to be told what to do.
The LIV thing is real. so many people do not know what is going on. If short-term it takes longer than an hour-long TV show, they cannot handle it. If longer term it takes longer than baseball season, they want to move on to something else. Too many people waiting to be offended to ask the simple questions like, "So, what on earth does your husband having been POTUS have to do with your qualifications?" When debated do come, they end up a love-in with both sides fearing "being called mean" to throw something back in the face of the other side. And too many people wanting to be "tolerant" to look at something and say, "you know, your behavior is simple unacceptable to me."
So you get a majority of people who want white-bread, milk-drinker candidates. Well, they get it. America gets it. America deserves it.
Until we get some real pain in the USA, and we have not really had any since 1945, fings ain't gonna change.
Quote: AZDuffmanActually, no, we do not. The majority, probably 60%, of the USA long ago tuned out of what mattered and became pop-culture loving zombies waiting to be told what to do.
The LIV thing is real. so many people do not know what is going on. If short-term it takes longer than an hour-long TV show, they cannot handle it. If longer term it takes longer than baseball season, they want to move on to something else. Too many people waiting to be offended to ask the simple questions like, "So, what on earth does your husband having been POTUS have to do with your qualifications?" When debated do come, they end up a love-in with both sides fearing "being called mean" to throw something back in the face of the other side. And too many people wanting to be "tolerant" to look at something and say, "you know, your behavior is simple unacceptable to me."
So you get a majority of people who want white-bread, milk-drinker candidates. Well, they get it. America gets it. America deserves it.
Until we get some real pain in the USA, and we have not really had any since 1945, fings ain't gonna change.
Well, State and 2 terms as Senator does qualify actually. It is this rhetoric that discounts your entire statement. I mean I could make the same statement about the son of a former president and your response would be "he was governor".
There exists indeed a portion of the population who don't think about the election (most of them don't bother going to the polls). The low voter turnout rate and efforts/success to get the vote out have the ability to skew elections. Democrats load them onto buses; Republicans employ scare tactics.
I think you make the misconnection that the more you are informed, the more likely it is that you will vote GOP. At least you make this inference all the time. There are some very powerful and smart people who vote Democrat for very valid reasons. There are equally some very powerful smart people who vote Republican as well. Older people are skewed conservative no matter what country you live in pretty much. As they grow older they generally take on the signs of the typical GOP movement: no to changes, less taxes, less handouts, no thinking about future generations. Younger people are looking for the same opportunities their parents have and are more idealistic: welfare for the poor, care for their young. Both have the same interests: "me". When you are young, you think about the cheapest way to get through college and have children and climb up the ladder and have a bigger safety net when you don't succeed -- more handouts and lower taxes for their part of the income chain. When you are old, you think about the best ways you can keep your money and still get your handouts (Medicare, social security, low taxes). Both lead to each end of the political spectrum.
As a result, you can make the simple inference that the older you are the wiser you are and therefore the young people who vote to the left are stupid. When the fact is that they are voting for their interests while the older generation are voting for theirs.
