2016 Election

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She realized what a crappy life she was leading and "found god" to give some meaning to her miserable existence.

Now we are seeing the logical conclusion to her narcissistic folly of delusion: she's martyring herself on the cross.

There's a judge up here in Oregon who is trying to do the same thing.

This nonsense seems to be contagious: "spiritual herpes" for the new millennium.

Getting back to the election cycle. After the debate last month, I posted that one of the candidates that I thought really did well and helped himself was Marco Rubio. He is very personable, speaks well and gave strong answers. Quite a number of other 'observers' also thought that Rubio did well. But now a month later, looking at the polls, his strong performance did not translate into any kind of bump at all. If anything he has fallen back slightly. ??

I guess part of that is Rubio is a sitting Senator and right now there is such a strong anti-establishment type sentiment in the party.

What about his age? Does that work against him in a more traditional republican party?

Personally, I think the strongest repub ticket for a general election might be a Kasich-Rubio ticket, possible either way (either man on top) putting the two very key swing states of Ohio and Florida in play towards the republicans. It also would be a nice mix of age and youth as well as include a Hispanic candidate, getting away from that 'old white male' thing that is so associated with the republican party.

A Bush-Rubio ticket is not allowed by law, as both come from the same state and Bush-Kasich would be back to that two older white males narrative.

Quote: kewlj

Getting back to the election cycle. After the debate last month, I posted that one of the candidates that I thought really did well and helped himself was Marco Rubio. He is very personable, speaks well and gave strong answers. Quite a number of other 'observers' also thought that Rubio did well. But now a month later, looking at the polls, his strong performance did not translate into any kind of bump at all. If anything he has fallen back slightly. ??

I guess part of that is Rubio is a sitting Senator and right now there is such a strong anti-establishment type sentiment in the party.

What about his age? Does that work against him in a more traditional republican party?

Personally, I think the strongest repub ticket for a general election might be a Kasich-Rubio ticket, possible either way (either man on top) putting the two very key swing states of Ohio and Florida in play towards the republicans. It also would be a nice mix of age and youth as well as include a Hispanic candidate, getting away from that 'old white male' thing that is so associated with the republican party.

A Bush-Rubio ticket is not allowed by law, as both come from the same state and Bush-Kasich would be back to that two older white males narrative.

During the debate I thought Carson was done. His performance was awful. Yet he's surging in the polls.

Shows how good I am at getting into the headspace of a Republican primary voter. lol

I also thought Trump's performance was nothing special (and not because of the oft-mentioned Megyn Kelly moment). His answers were just nothing special. I thought that debate might be the peak of his popularity. Boy was I wrong!

As you say, a Kasich-Rubio ticket would be strong and would certainly give me heartburn. But I don't see it happening at this point. The right doesn't seem interested in picking the most electable candidate anymore after that didn't work in 2008 or 2012...

Quote: AZDuffman

Remember when Algore hired some woman to make him appear more of an alpha male? .

People like alpha males, we trust them. John Wayne,
for instance, was just as alpha off screen as on. It's
something you can't fake, you're born that way.

Quote: EvenBob

John Wayne,
for instance, was just as alpha off screen as on. It's
something you can't fake, you're born that way.

You liked John Wayne? Lol.

They took 60 lbs of black sludge out of his intestines after he died. Lard ass.

Quote: DoubleOrNothing

You liked John Wayne? Lol.

They took 60 lbs of black sludge out of his intestines after he died. Lard ass.

Howard Hughes was responsible for John Waynes death
The Conqueror was a RKO studio movie
Its the death movie, so many that worked on the movie died early
RKO insisted on Nevada for filming to save money
Filmed on Abomb sites in Nevada
Radiation = cancer

Quote: DoubleOrNothing

You liked John Wayne? Lol.

They took 60 lbs of black sludge out of his intestines after he died. Lard ass.

Would you expound on what this means? Count me a Marion Morrison fan.

Quote: DoubleOrNothing

You liked John Wayne? Lol.

Why the lol? Wayne was a top box office draw
for decades. In a recent Harris Poll of top stars,
Wayne ranks ahead of Johnny Depp and Tom
Hanks, and he's been dead for 35 years.

Quote: terapined

Howard Hughes was responsible for John Waynes death

Perhaps, even 23 years later. But, he already had lung cancer from seven (?) packs of cigarettes a day. People think that his son died from cancer too, but he didn't.

Quote: petroglyph

Would you expound on what this means? Count me a Marion Morrison fan.

"There are hundreds of family snapshots and home movies of a balding Wayne lying around like a lazy bear, or even out in public, although at those times he often wore a hat or baseball cap. Without the toupee, he looked older, and, somehow, less like John Wayne." https://books.google.ca/books?id=4qceCAAAQBAJ&pg=PA206&lpg=PA206&dq=john+wayne+lazy&source=bl&ots=zo9tGa-sbx&sig=npDo8230NzU7bi0SCaKwtB6gzJY&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=john%20wayne%20lazy&f=false

Perhaps too, the stomach meds made him fat or bloated. But, that sort of sludge is typically a chronic thing.

Quote: EvenBob

Why the lol? Wayne was a top box office draw
for decades. In a recent Harris Poll of top stars,
Wayne ranks ahead of Johnny Depp and Tom
Hanks, and he's been dead for 35 years.

I just never liked him, or looked out for his movies. I guess that the stereotypical "alpha male" never appealed to me. Seen too much of life to fall for what's "popular".

No one knows how someone will react when "the chips are down" in real life. Same for Trump, though his constant over-exaggerations and name-droppings have become tiresome.

Quote: DoubleOrNothing

You liked John Wayne? Lol.

They took 60 lbs of black sludge out of his intestines after he died. Lard ass.

"Advocates of colonic irrigation products of dubious benefit use scarelore like the examples quoted above to indict the American "goo and glue" diet and validate their claim that the practice is a safe and effective means of curing a variety of ailments by purging the body of all sorts of sludge and toxins. Vegetarian groups employ this horror story to demonstrate that a meat-based diet is both unnatural and unhealthy for human beings. Hence stories circulate about alleged post-mortem discoveries that celebrities (such as John Wayne and Elvis Presley) who epitomized the "meat and potatoes" diet, gluttony, or other negative eating habits had some tremendous amount (40, 60, or even 80 pounds) of "impacted fecal matter" or "impacted feces" lodged in their intestines.

Anecdotes such as these are, in a word, crap."

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/gruesome/fecalcolon.asp

Quote: RonC

... Anecdotes such as these are, in a word, crap."

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/gruesome/fecalcolon.asp

My mistake. Thanks for correcting me.

Quote: DoubleOrNothing

My mistake. Thanks for correcting me.

Even if it was true, I fail to see what
it has to do with John Wayne's
character. He wasn't fat, far from it.
He might have a small paunch typical
of men in their 70's, but he certainly
wasn't a 'fat ass' as you implied.

Here he is in The Shootist, his last
movie. Does this look like a
fat ass to you?

info on "John Wayne"

Quote: MrV

info on "John Wayne"

One of my fave stories about John Wayne
is from the time he made a movie with
Ed Asner. Asner was a loud mouthed NY
lib and he was always shooting his mouth
off at Wayne, who was a staunch right
winger. It got to a point where Wayne
banned Asner from his presence and started
referring to him as 'that NY actor', instead
of using his name.

Quote: EvenBob

People like alpha males, we trust them. John Wayne,
for instance, was just as alpha off screen as on. It's
something you can't fake, you're born that way.

It is not just trusting them, it is wishing we had their abilities and the guts to do what they do. People hear Trump talk and wish they had the guts to say it like he did.

My politics vary, but I am getting tired of the ultra-liberal prattle from the nattering nabobs of NPR.

Lord, they go on and on about the poor, poor migrants in Europe, it's so sad, it's the world's problem blah blah blah.

My wife pointed out something: she said a news clip showing migrants trying to get on a train in Hungary showed the migrants were almost exclusively young men: few women and kids.

Why aren't these young men back home, fighting for their freedom, instead of running away like little pussies?

In May the bookmakers had Trump at
33/1 to win the election, after the debate
he was 10/1, on Aug 28 he was 5/1.

Bush was 4/1 on Aug 28, they are pretty
much tied. Hillary has always been
even money and it hasn't moved.

What are the people actually hoping for in a President?

http://billmoyers.com/2015/09/04/sanders-end-the-great-american-drug-heist/

This is an important issue of why drug prices can't be negotiated.

Quote: MrV

My wife pointed out something: she said a news clip showing migrants trying to get on a train in Hungary showed the migrants were almost exclusively young men: few women and kids.

Why aren't these young men back home, fighting for their freedom, instead of running away like little pussies?

The only purpose for a woman in Islam is to procreate.

They don't write poems and songs of love to them, and they don't send valentines and flowers.

A lot of Christians have tried to sail to Europe from Africa, but by the time the boats make it to Europe, or are discovered at sea, the "poor migrant" Muslims have tossed all the Christians overboard.

But on one mentions that.

Why stay home and fight for your freedon when you can move to a Western country where the taxpayers are forced to guarantee your food, shelter and medical care for the rest of your life?

Germany and France are the engines of the Muslim Invasion of Europe.

Hollande got 90% of the Muslim vote and Merkel probably got the same.

They both want to impose quotas on European countries to force them to accept even more of the migrants.

For her part, Merkel has said "Islam belongs in Germany", and "There is no legal limit on the number of asylum seekers that Germany can take".

She has also attended at least one Muslim rally.

Quote: MrV

My politics vary, but I am getting tired of the ultra-liberal prattle from the nattering nabobs of NPR.

Lord, they go on and on about the poor, poor migrants in Europe, it's so sad, it's the world's problem blah blah blah.

My wife pointed out something: she said a news clip showing migrants trying to get on a train in Hungary showed the migrants were almost exclusively young men: few women and kids.

Why aren't these young men back home, fighting for their freedom, instead of running away like little pussies?

On one hand, history is full of men leaving home and sending money back as they work the frontier or the oil fields.

OTOH, Europe and the USA are playing with fire on this unlimited, illegal immigration they are allowing. Eventually both will be unrecognizable from the places these people are fleeing.

Quote: AZDuffman

On one hand, history is full of men leaving home and sending money back as they work the frontier or the oil fields.

OTOH, Europe and the USA are playing with fire on this unlimited, illegal immigration they are allowing. Eventually both will be unrecognizable from the places these people are fleeing.

...and that seems to be one of the things the socialists masquerading as liberals want--they want everything to be divided equally and to allow more people who contribute little or nothing to come and get a piece of the pie so that everyone's piece of the pie shrinks. They seem to want the doctor who spends 12 years and thousands upon thousands of dollars getting to the point where he or she can earn a good living to earn the same as the janitor who didn't bother with an education.

You can't give everyone everything. It won't work. It will win you elections, though!

You people are delusional.
A welfare state, trillion dollar annual deficits coupled with open borders to the Third World...
what could possibly go wrong?

To all the liberals who aren't worried about Mr. trump?
start worrying.......................

Quote: bobsims

You people are delusional.
A welfare state, trillion dollar annual deficits coupled with open borders to the Third World...
what could possibly go wrong?

?
You tell me
Life is good
gas is down
Gays can marry
Kim Davis in jail
Trump dominating the evangelical and establishment republican candidates.
Looking forward to President Clinton
job going good
football next week
planning my trip back to Vegas in Dec
Just got a couple new toys, drones.
Yup, delusionally happy.
My glass is way more then half filled
Hmm, you down to a few drops?

I doubt I'll cast my Presidential vote other than as I always do (Libertarian: "just because"), yet Trump is proving to be very interesting .

Be mindful, however, of that ancient Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times."

Quote: terapined

?
You tell me
Life is good
gas is down
Gays can marry
Kim Davis in jail
Trump dominating the evangelical and establishment republican candidates.
Looking forward to President Clinton
job going good
football next week
planning my trip back to Vegas in Dec
Just got a couple new toys, drones.
Yup, delusionally happy.
My glass is way more then half filled
Hmm, you down to a few drops?

...and the Terps are winning, too...but not like they should be...

Okay, things are good. I don't ever remember my glass being half empty; only half full or better. I'm okay. I have a couple of pensions, etc. that will be hard for anyone to take away. The thing I don't have is a good feeling about the desire of so many to have so much for doing so little. The more people who live off the government, the more those of us who work have to do to help them. I believe in compassion but the overwhelming goal of assistance should be to get as many people in the workforce as possible earning salaries they deserve (proper education, training, proper pay) and the less illegal aliens who bring nothing to the table other than the ability to take less pay for more work because they want to stay basically unknown, the longer those jobs can pay less and get away with it.

Close the border. Close the businesses who continue to use and abuse illegals. Fix immigration so that we get the best and brightest and don't let other countries chose our new residents. Improve assistance programs to help people off them. Make it better to work than not to work.

The liberals won't do it; neither will the conservatives. Rest assured, a President Clinton would not change a thing. I'm not a Trump fan, but it does make sense to get away from those who have lived off government for years by not really working to do anything but keep their jobs....

Quote: doughboy11

To all the liberals who aren't worried about Mr. trump?
start worrying.......................

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/252825-poll-trump-beats-hillary-head-to-head

The way it is going, Hillary might not even get the nomination. The question is, she has a huge ego and entitled personality. Will she support the eventual nominee or will she make a run as an independent if she does not?

Hillary is old and lacks charisma.

She's a boring policy wonk.

New poll has Trump beating Hillary for the
first time. Trump has the advantage that there
is no other shoe waiting to drop. He's been
in the public spotlight for decades and on a
hit TV show for 10 years. We know this guy,
everybody knows exactly who Trump is.
Even before he announced, 9 out of 10 people
on the street knew who he was.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/252825-poll-trump-beats-hillary-head-to-head

Quote: AZDuffman

The way it is going, Hillary might not even get the nomination. The question is, she has a huge ego and entitled personality. Will she support the eventual nominee or will she make a run as an independent if she does not?

She's finished. America does not want to see THAT old, corrupt lying face at the top of the every newscast for the next 4/8 years. Democrats can present the same old trickle-up, open borders, openly racist, prosperity through debt bullshit for the suckers through Gore, Kerry, Biden or Waren without the baggage of HRC or the 25 years overexposure of her manic OLD face and bone chilling cackle. Biggest loser out of Chicago since Steve Bartman.

Quote: bobsims

OLD face and bone chilling cackle.

Forget water boarding, just play this video for
a few hours.

Good to see all the righties who dismissed every 2012 poll right up until Election Day taking this new SurveyUSA poll done 14 months before the election as gospel!

Quote: ams288

Good to see all the righties who dismissed every 2012 poll right up until Election Day taking this new SurveyUSA poll done 14 months before the election as gospel!

Nobody here is taking anything as gospel,
quite the opposite. We all know that what's
happening now won't be what's happening
a year from now. It could be Bush/Biden
in a year, easily. Or Trump/Clinton or
Bush/Clinton.

Quote: ams288

Good to see all the righties who dismissed every 2012 poll right up until Election Day taking this new SurveyUSA poll done 14 months before the election as gospel!

I don't think anyone is taking this poll as gospel...

Nobody is taking anything as gospel. We are just pointing out that Hillary has now fallen behind in a poll, and the poll shows her in a very bad position. We had to listen to lefties talking about how she was "inevitable" for months. We said she was a paper tiger. This poll is showing that.

Lefties laughed at Trump, now The Donald is ahead of Hillary.

Quote: AZDuffman

Lefties laughed at Trump, now The Donald is ahead of Hillary.

*in one poll.

And we're still laughing at him.

Time will tell if that poll is an outlier, or if this is a new trend. Hillary isn't the nominee. Trump isn't the nominee.

We've got a long way to go...

Quote: ams288

*in one poll.

And we're still laughing at him.

Time will tell if that poll is an outlier, or if this is a new trend. Hillary isn't the nominee. Trump isn't the nominee.

We've got a long way to go...

The trend in everything is away from Hillary.

Quote: AZDuffman

The trend in everything is away from Hillary.

THAT says it all. Democrats may still be able to squeak out a narrow presidential win selling trickle-up, open borders with lavish welfare benefits for illegals, blatant racism and prosperity through debt with their fading, discredited 2012 coalition of the self-interested (corporations, Wall Street, banks, Jewish lobby, government "workers" and welfare leeches) and the self-deluded (progressives) BUT they won't do it with the Wicked Witch-she's as done as Honest John Corzine and Gray Davis!

Quote: ams288

*in one poll.
.

Are you even paying attention? Even the usual
Dem cheeleaders are shaking their heads, saying
Hillary is underwater on popularity and it will
only get worse. Has anybody ever been elected
when the likable rating was under 50% like hers
is?

Quote: EvenBob

Are you even paying attention? Even the usual
Dem cheeleaders are shaking their heads, saying
Hillary is underwater on popularity and it will
only get worse. Has anybody ever been elected
when the likable rating was under 50% like hers
is?

Limbaugh always says it right. Hillary is popular when she is quiet and under attack. When she opens her mouth people start to hate her. The great part is she never listens to anyone's advice. She is just going to keep doing more of what hasn't worked in the first place.

The energy on the Democrat side is for Sanders. It would be lovely if he ran as an indie!

Hillary was to have been the nominee in 2008. There was nothing stopping her when everyone started talking about it early on. Sure, other candidates were around and talked about...but she was on her way. The President Obama stepped up from his promising speech at the convention a few years back and took over the race. Hillary was soon on the way down and out.

There is no one with Obama's charisma in the demo race yet, but there are some solid dems interested in running. This should be Clinton's nomination but it isn't clear at all that she will win or even make it to the finish line. I'm not counting her out, of course, because the dem side is free to ignore emails, Benghazi, and all the other stuff that goes along with another President Clinton (the last one triangulated rather than stick to liberal principles; she'd likely do the same because they both crave approval over doing the right thing...like many, many other politicians).

The problem Hillary has is that no one really likes her. She is not a likable figure. It isn't looks, it isn't race, it isn't sex...she just is not a person you want to like for many folks. Bill was much, much more likable and it worked in getting him through the scandals. She does not have that, so more sticks to her than to him.

Of course we could have another President Clinton. The election is months and months away. This is where we are today, though, and it is not a clear path for her to the White House...

Quote: RonC

The problem Hillary has is that no one really likes her. She is not a likable figure. It isn't looks, it isn't race, it isn't sex...she just is not a person you want to like for many folks. Bill was much, much more likable and it worked in getting him through the scandals. She does not have that, so more sticks to her than to him.

I don't care for Bill and I would not trust him with the change if he went to pick up wings and pizza. But I get the feeling that if he and I were at an uncrowded bar we could find a subject to talk about. We could talk football, cars from the 60s, or some random, common interest. Not so with Hillary. Bill is the kind of guy who knows his subordinates know more than him on lots of issues. Hillary reminds me of bosses telling me something I know is wrong and will not listen to a word I say.

I wouldn't count Hillary out, as some of the repub diehard's here are doing or hoping for.

If she is charged with something, then yes, she is done. I don't think that will happen and all the experts I have seen on numerous channels, that aren't Fox New don't think it will either (unless something new emerges). I believe the worst that will happen is that the investigations conclude that she used bad judgement, which anyone who is interested already knows.

The betting odds have Hillary at 1-4 to win the democratic nominee (that's wagering $4 for every $1 you will win), and that should tell you something. If the consensus of experts really thought she was in danger, money would be flowing differently and those odds far different. At this point, STILL before Labor day, where people are putting their money is a much stronger indicator that polls, in which are measuring the fantasies of an electorate that really hasn't gotten serious yet.

On top of this Hillary still has no real challenge. Bernie Sanders ISN'T running for president. He is running to move the democratic party to the left a bit and in the end will write a book about his liberal/socialist idea that will help pad his retirement, as he fades into the sunset. Joe Biden is no threat. I like Joe. I think he is a good man.... a little goofy and error prone, but basically a good man. But he's not presidential material. He has proven that in two previous runs where he never got more than low single digit support. He's not going anywhere, and I really don't think he is going to try. There is absolutely no path for him. Why would he want to suffer a humiliating loss before HE rides off into the sunset.

So Hillary will be the democratic nominee. The repub side is much less sure. Whoever the repubs put up is at a disadvantage with the electoral college vote. And a male candidate, which is very likely will have to tread lightly so as not to be seen as attacking a woman. That is probably unfair, but it is reality.

And once we have the nominees on both sides, those likables and unlikables will change. Hillary will be out campaigning with her grandchild by her side and be seen as a softer more likeable grandmotherly type. And she will get some votes from women and even some men, just because she is a woman and they want to that 'barrier' broken. She will likely attract new female voters into the process that might now otherwise vote, just as Obama did with blacks.

So forget the polls the day before Labor Day, over a year out from the presidential election. If you want to know who is REALLY the front runner, follow the money.....the money people are wagering.

Quote: terapined

You tell me
Life is good
gas is down
Gays can marry
Kim Davis in jail

Anybody got the over/under on how many Muslims are imprisoned for refusing to go against their beliefs?

"A Muslim flight attendant says she was suspended by ExpressJet for refusing to serve alcohol in accordance with her Islamic faith. In a bid to get her job back, Charee Stanley filed a discrimination complaint with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission on Tuesday for the revocation of a reasonable religious accommodation. She wants to do her job without serving alcohol in accordance with her Islamic faith -- just as she was doing before her suspension, her lawyer said.

"What this case comes down to is no one should have to choose between their career and religion and it's incumbent upon employers to provide a safe environment where employees can feel they can practice their religion freely," said Lena Masri, an attorney with Michigan chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

"Stanley, 40, started working for ExpressJet nearly three years ago. About two years ago she converted to Islam. This year she learned her faith prohibits her from not only consuming alcohol but serving it, too, Masri said. She approached her supervisor on June 1 and was told to work out an arrangement for someone to fulfill passenger requests for alcohol. cnn 9/6

One difference is Kim Davis wouldn't let anyone else issue licences at the office on her behalf, and insists that any licenses issued in her absense are invalid.

Did the stewardess refuse to let her airline serve alcohol?

Quote: kewlj

I wouldn't count Hillary out, .

Me neither. I look forward to 'this' leading
the most powerful country in the world.

Yup.

"You cannot tell whether someone is failing or succeeding without knowing what they are trying to do."

There are obvious exceptions. (I don't mean the pictures.)

Here's another poll for the Trump deniers to ignore. He leads Hillary by 5 in iowa

He's down by just 1 in New Hampshire

When Trump wins next year it will be so sweet rubbing the Trump deniers faces in it...................................

Here's the way I see it. Trump may or may not start to collapse......that's definitive, hum? :) A more traditional candidate would have already not survived the things he has said and done. But he's not a traditional candidate and these aren't 'normal' times. You have to throw away all conventional wisdom and see how this plays out.

What seems much more definitive to me is that Jeb Bush's campaign has suffered a fatal blow. Some of that because of Trumps constant attacks, some of that many unforced errors and lack of enthusiasm on Jebs part, some just some policy positions that conflict with the republican electorate (we knew this coming in). Some because of his last name.

It's not that some new exciting candidate is at the top of the polls. We have seen this many times before. Last cycle with Bachman and the Pizza guy. The real danger issue for Jeb is that he has sunk down to 5-6% like the has been/wannabe type candidates. That is a fatal blow for a front runner.

Sure he has a lot of money. But he is now going to have to use that money to try to re-frame his own image and that's a much harder thing to do. I don't think he has a chance, even if Trump does tumble. And I don't think Carson is the guy either. he has little organization behind him. Carson is VERY similar to the pizza guy....not a serious candidate. It remains to be seen whether Trump is this unorthodox period is in that group.

But if Trump does fall, I think the beneficiary will be either Kasich or Rubio. I've always thought Rubio has all the tools. Young, good-looking very personable , well spoken guy. he's Latino on top of that, although Cuban Latino is a bit different than Mexican or south American Latino. Doesn't connect quite the same.