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kewlj
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January 7th, 2016 at 1:24:37 AM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

The allegations against Woody Allen were just as old and, to my eye, less credible. Nonetheless, when a new generation became aware of them, a storm of controversy followed.

My understanding (might be wrong) is that allegations had surrounded Cosby for quite some time as well.



I think the Cosby comparison is a bad comparison. Cosby is accused of RAPE and drugging women to commit those rape. That is a far different discussion than an affair which is consensual between adults.

I am not really aware of any new storm of controversy surrounding Woody Allen. I think the public just dismisses him as a real sleaze ball. But if Woody was running for public office yeah, that may hurt him. But if Mia Farrow were running for public office, bringing up Woody Allen having an affair with their adoptive daughter, would not hurt her, if anything it would generate sympathy towards I think that is the same case with Hillary.

As I said, I think Hillary has her own 'sins' that she can be called out on. Calling her out on Bill's sins is not a winning strategy, IMO.
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January 7th, 2016 at 1:42:58 AM permalink
As well as his sleazy consensual affair with one stepdaughter, Allen has been very publicly accused of outright rape by another.
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January 7th, 2016 at 1:47:38 AM permalink
See the previous post. Clinton is being accused of sexual assault in a couple cases and in the case of Brodderick, straight up "hold her down and force yourself on her" rape.

http://www.vox.com/2016/1/6/10722580/bill-clinton-juanita-broaddrick


"As she tells the story, they spent only a few minutes chatting by the window -- Clinton pointed to an old jail he wanted to renovate if he became governor -- before he began kissing her. She resisted his advances, she said, but soon he pulled her back onto the bed and forcibly had sex with her. She said she did not scream because everything happened so quickly. Her upper lip was bruised and swollen after the encounter because, she said, he had grabbed onto it with his mouth.

"The last thing he said to me was, 'You better get some ice for that.' And he put on his sunglasses and walked out the door," she recalled."
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January 7th, 2016 at 5:12:24 AM permalink
I'll wait for a politician to specifically accuse Bill Clinton of rape before arguing with some random guy on a message board about it. Seems pointless.

Bringing up this issue is risky for the righties. It gives Hillary a chance to play the victim card, which she thrives at.
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January 7th, 2016 at 5:13:27 AM permalink
More have jumped onto the birther bandwagon questioning if Cruz is qualified to be President
Again its from the right.
The left sits back, while the right does all the attacking on the right :-)
Now John McCain is questioning if Cruz is a natural born citizen.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/06/politics/ted-cruz-birthplace-john-mccain/index.html

Maybe Cruz should move to Canada and run. There is absolutely no doubt Cruz is a natural born Canadian
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January 7th, 2016 at 5:34:10 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

More have jumped onto the birther bandwagon questioning if Cruz is qualified to be President
Again its from the right.
The left sits back, while the right does all the attacking on the right :-)
Now John McCain is questioning if Cruz is a natural born citizen.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/06/politics/ted-cruz-birthplace-john-mccain/index.html

Maybe Cruz should move to Canada and run. There is absolutely no doubt Cruz is a natural born Canadian



This would be more entertaining for me if I actually thought Cruz was gonna be the nominee.

At this point, it's Trump's to lose, IMO.
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January 7th, 2016 at 6:27:54 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

I'll wait for a politician to specifically accuse Bill Clinton of rape before arguing with some random guy on a message board about it. Seems pointless.

Bringing up this issue is risky for the righties. It gives Hillary a chance to play the victim card, which she thrives at.



I'm not really "arguing" anything. Those are the allegations. I didn't make them up. Nor did I write the Vox story. Google "Bill Clinton" right now and see what is at the top. (Believe it or not, I am not the one who put it there).

I've offered a bit of speculation, in that I think there's more potential trouble here than Benghazi. Benghazi is a lot of "blahblahblah" to the average person. A fairly credible woman saying "he raped me, she tried to silence me" is crystal clear.

Hillary might be able to pass herself off as a victim. I dunno. It will be harder here, because she's accused of aiding in covering up the crimes. Different than being a wife who gets cheated on.
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January 7th, 2016 at 6:32:59 AM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

I'm not really "arguing" anything. Those are the allegations. I didn't make them up. Nor did I write the Vox story. Google "Bill Clinton" right now and see what is at the top. (Believe it or not, I am not the one who put it there).

I've offered a bit of speculation, in that I think there's more potential trouble here than Benghazi. Benghazi is a lot of "blahblahblah" to the average person. A fairly credible woman saying "he raped me, she tried to silence me" is crystal clear.

Hillary might be able to pass herself off as a victim. I dunno. It will be harder here, because she's accused of aiding in covering up the crimes. Different than being a wife who gets cheated on.



Who is accusing her though?

No one credible or worthy of paying attention to.

Till Donald Trump starts spewing this stuff, it really is irrelevant.

I'm sure we will get there eventually....
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January 7th, 2016 at 6:43:43 AM permalink
I'm not sure why you are so interested in discussing this, but so averse to clicking on links or doing a google search.

Trump is indeed playing a role in stirring it up. It is a story that seems to be gaining traction in the past 24 hours. I read about it elsewhere and, until recently, knew very little about the rape allegations. I'm simply discussing a story about the campaign that is in the news.

Who is accusing her? The alleged rape victim and some of Clinton's other alleged victims.

Here is another article about it, on my personal website, The Washington Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-bill-clinton-scandal-machine-revs-up-and-takes-aim-at-his-wife/2016/01/06/a08cf550-b4be-11e5-a76a-0b5145e8679a_story.html
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January 7th, 2016 at 6:50:28 AM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

I'm not sure why you are so interested in discussing this, but so averse to clicking on links or doing a google search.

Trump is indeed playing a role in stirring it up. It is a story that seems to be gaining traction in the past 24 hours. I read about it elsewhere and, until recently, knew very little about the rape allegations. I'm simply discussing a story about the campaign that is in the news.



I saw a long interview with Trump yesterday on Morning Joe.

Trump made it very clear, if Hillary doesn't play the "woman card" and attack his womanizing ways (I'm paraphrasing), then he won't go after Bill.
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