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RonC
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September 13th, 2015 at 6:02:16 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

A new poll released yesterday shows Hillary once again beating all Republicans.

Yet for some reason it got no play in the media and everyone is still only talking about the prior outlier poll that showed her tied or losing.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/poll-democrats-claim-resounding-latino-support-over-gop

Curious.



I'll gladly talk about it. Yes, it does show Clinton leading head to head battles with Republican front runners, but it actually shows Joe Biden doing BETTER against all of them on both ends of the poll:

Biden as the candidate:

Biden 50%, Rubio 42%
Biden 50%, Bush 42%
Biden 54%, Cruz 39%

Clinton as the candidate:

Clinton 50%, Rubio 44%
Clinton 49%, Bush 45%
Clinton 52%, Cruz 41%

This speaks volumes for the direction of her candidacy. She is not as strong as someone who is not even in the race at this point. She wasn't just the darling of the "D"; she was clearly expected to win by a large margin when this all started. Even her opponents knew it would be a long uphill battle against her. Now she is not as good a candidate as someone who isn't even one yet...

Like her race against Obama, she was strong early. My opinion is that she'll hang on and possibly be the candidate but in a much weaker position than she started in. While the polling suggests she can still win, there is a long way to go from this point and she is not going in the right direction.

Maybe the major liberal network news folks aren't covering this because it isn't all that great for Hillary...
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September 13th, 2015 at 6:09:32 AM permalink
Quote: RonC

I'll gladly talk about it. Yes, it does show Clinton leading head to head battles with Republican front runners, but it actually shows Joe Biden doing BETTER against all of them on both ends of the poll:



Er.... You can't be serious. Biden isn't even running officially. Of course he'll do better.

A theoretical candidate always does well. Then when they get into the race and get their hands dirty their numbers start going down.
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September 13th, 2015 at 6:10:55 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Might have to do with the fact that it is a Pravda er DNC er MSNBC poll?



Are you saying MSNBC releases partisan polls?

I guess we should all listen to you, the guy who thought Romney was gonna win as late as election morning 2012, on which polls are reliable....
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September 13th, 2015 at 6:21:24 AM permalink
BTW, here is how accurate the various polls were in 2012:

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/10/which-polls-fared-best-and-worst-in-the-2012-presidential-race/

Marist, who worked with MSNBC on the new poll AZDuffman implies is slanted, had a Republican lean in 2012.
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September 13th, 2015 at 8:52:58 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

Not for you.

I'm gay so I can get away with it.

Double standard? Probably. Deal with it.




Quote: RonC

Interesting. Statements like this seem to indicate that some in the gay population does not want "equality"--they want "superiority" of some sort...the ability to say whatever they want about someone's sexuality without proof or admission and to be able to get away with it. Ridiculous.



I think the response from ams was a bit extreme. He's just stirring the pot getting the righties riled up.
Here is my view on gays. By the way not gay, not that there is anything wrong with it :-)
The only thing that makes them different from me is what goes on in the bedroom.
I view the bedroom as an area of privacy for everybody. Totally none of my business
Other then that, gays are just like everybody else in society.
By excluding everything private, how can I be anti-gay, they are just people like me.
Therefore I don't see the logic in being anti-gay.
Gay Marriage, nobody lost rights, just some people gained rights. I don't understand the logic against gay marriage because nobody has lost rights by gays gaining the right to marry.
The bottom line for me is how can you be anti gay if for the lost part you cant determine if a person is gay. Yes there are flaming gays but your average gay is actually a low key guy.
"Everybody's bragging and drinking that wine, I can tell the Queen of Diamonds by the way she shines, Come to Daddy on an inside straight, I got no chance of losing this time" -Grateful Dead- "Loser"
RonC
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September 13th, 2015 at 9:16:25 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

Er.... You can't be serious. Biden isn't even running officially. Of course he'll do better.

A theoretical candidate always does well. Then when they get into the race and get their hands dirty their numbers start going down.



Yes, I am serious. While I understand your quick dismissal of Biden, I would say that most, if not all, of the negative stuff on him is out there already. Much like Hillary, other than the email stuff, he has been in the public eye for years and every misstep has been recorded and reported. He isn't someone from coming out of nowhere to run.
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September 13th, 2015 at 9:19:21 AM permalink
Quote: ams288



A theoretical candidate always does well. Then when they get into the race and get their hands dirty their numbers start going down.



For example, Hillary Clinton..........
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September 13th, 2015 at 11:22:32 AM permalink
When the republican affiliation is 10x the Democrat affiliation you could bet pretty safely that the "independent group" is not a group of evenly split left and right. Quite the contrary. Obviously.
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September 13th, 2015 at 11:50:26 AM permalink
These two stories just came out:

http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/donald-trump-jimmy-fallon-tonight-show-stephen-colbert-1201591884/

And Sanders is kicking Hill's flabby cellulite ass in NH:

https://today.yougov.com/news/2015/09/13/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-cbs-battleground-poll/
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September 13th, 2015 at 11:53:26 AM permalink
Someone actually checked out her ass?
That's too funny...
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F

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