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Beethoven9th
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November 6th, 2013 at 9:26:47 AM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

What does it say when you conservative men can't see far enough to even consider that the GOP may nominate a female themselves?

Quote: speedycrap

They don't want a female president!!!!!!!!!!

Not so. Sarah Palin got conservatives to vote for John McCain in '08 (even though they couldn't stand him), and she'd easily get the conservative vote if she decided to throw her hat into the primaries.


Quote: kewlj

The republicans...have to put up someone more moderate that can win some of the moderate and independent vote.

You're forgetting that they already tried this in '08 and '12, but neither McCain nor Romney did much of a job in attracting those prized moderate & independent voters, now did they? Not saying that Ted Cruz or Rand Paul would do any better, but I just don't understand why so many people think that a moderate candidate is the best choice after the last two moderate candidates failed.


Quote: kewlj

On a day that Christie was at a high point as far as his popularity because of his handling of things since the superstorn Sandy, the exit poll in New Jersey show him losing to Hilary by 6 points. In other words, the very people that were voting big for him, answered that they would not vote for him to be president.

This is key. I don't know why Christie is supposedly The Great White Hope when he can't even beat Hillary in his own backyard!!


Quote: s2dbaker

Exit polling in New Jersey shows that Christie would lose New Jersey in 2016. The very same people who just gave pufferfish a 20 point victory for Governor would rather have Hillary as President.

Wow, we actually agree on something! ;)
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November 6th, 2013 at 9:44:13 AM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

Quote: Beethoven9th

Quote: Boz

I still feel it is a lost cause because there will be such a groundswell of support from the media to elect the first female President...


Totally agree.

The Democrat candidate has only one opponent to beat: the Republican. OTOH, the Republican has THREE opponents: the Democrat candidate, the Hollywood elite, and the mainstream media.

Not even Ronald Reagan would be able to overcome these 3 obstacles.



The GOP has at least a couple very well-credentialed female candidates for 2016. What does it say when you conservative men can't see far enough to even consider that the GOP may nominate a female themselves?



It doesn't matter who the GOP candidate is, male, female, black, white, straight, gay, etc....the issue is that they are conservative and running against Hillary who is everything the Media wants. Look how they treated Sarah Palin, who might not have been ready for the office, BUT she was female. Same thing with Cruz and Rubio, the media hates them because of what they stand for. I really think you are off base on feeling that most conservative men wont consider a woman for the nomination. We just want someone who is qualified and can win. As for the other side, they just want someone who can win.
Beethoven9th
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November 6th, 2013 at 9:48:43 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Our bet would be contingent on Christie getting the GOP nomination. Otherwise, no action. Mailing the money will be fine. I'm looking to keep this small and friendly like your $100 against my $50.

It's a deal!

Even though it's probably foolish to give up 2 to 1 odds, I feel so strongly that Christie will be a guaranteed LOSER if nominated that I will accept those terms. I will put up $100 against your $50. (No action, if Christie does NOT win the Republican nomination)

To everyone: This will be the Wizard's reaction on the evening of November 8th, 2016. lol!

J/K, of course....the bet is all in good fun! :D
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November 6th, 2013 at 9:51:17 AM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

Not so. Sarah Palin got conservatives to vote for John McCain in '08 (even though they couldn't stand him), and she'd easily get the conservative vote if she decided to throw her hat into the primaries.

Oh please Jesus I beseech, emplore and entreat thee to make this happen!!
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November 6th, 2013 at 9:56:25 AM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

Quote: kewlj

The republicans...have to put up someone more moderate that can win some of the moderate and independent vote.


You're forgetting that they already tried this in '08 and '12, but neither McCain nor Romney did much of a job in attracting those prized moderate & independent voters, now did they? Not saying that Ted Cruz or Rand Paul would do any better, but I just don't understand why so many people think that a moderate candidate is the best choice after the last two moderate candidates failed big time.


I agree, placing someone "more moderate" in the limelight seldom works as intended.
The problem with doing so is that it becomes very difficult to know "where they stand".
The effort is to win the independent vote, and to do that one has to cater to the independent voter at the cost of losing support from the base constituency.
Far better to stand ground for the party you're supposed to be representing and wait for the so-called independents to get sick enough of the way things are going that they are forced to actually take a side.

To me, trying to play both sides of the fence in politics is akin to hedging bets while gambling- you're exposing yourself to the house edge that much more.
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November 6th, 2013 at 10:07:19 AM permalink
By 2016, the economy will probably be in the dumps. Therefore, Hillary has zero chance of winning. As a matter of fact, I don't think that the Democrats will nominate her. Christie will stand a better chance, but only if the extremists in the Republican party disappear. Most normal people do not want any part of the Tea Party goofs.
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November 6th, 2013 at 10:09:00 AM permalink
Quote: steeldco

By 2016, the economy will probably be in the dumps. Therefore, Hillary has zero chance of winning. As a matter of fact, I don't think that the Democrats will nominate her. Christie will stand a better chance, but only if the extremists in the Republican party disappear. Most normal people do not want any part of the Tea Party goofs.



Why not?

As for the extremists in the Republican party disappearing, yeah, good luck with that.
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speedycrap
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November 6th, 2013 at 10:14:13 AM permalink
Quote: steeldco

By 2016, the economy will probably be in the dumps. Therefore, Hillary has zero chance of winning. As a matter of fact, I don't think that the Democrats will nominate her. Christie will stand a better chance, but only if the extremists in the Republican party disappear. Most normal people do not want any part of the Tea Party goofs.


The economy should be improving in second part of 2014 and in very good shape in 2016 just before election.
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November 6th, 2013 at 10:20:52 AM permalink
Quote: speedycrap

I will bet big this time, $50 US, settle through paypal or mail. I am in Canada but will cross the border to mail the CASH.
any taker?????



Okay, your $50 against my $25. It's a bet! Paypal is good with me.
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speedycrap
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November 6th, 2013 at 10:32:38 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Okay, your $50 against my $25. It's a bet! Paypal is good with me.



HOLD ON !!!!!!

Can you please write down what we are betting please????

P.S. have you checked you PM yet??

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