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Boz
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July 18th, 2015 at 8:35:50 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

Trump is really digging himself a hole today:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/18/trump-attacks-mccain-record-as-war-hero-draws-rebuke-from-gop-presidential/

I'm linking to the Fox News story because it seems both the right and left can agree that these comments are disgraceful.



And all those liberals who are defending McCain were the first in line to vote for him as well, right? Didn't think so either.

So they didn't agree with anything he stood for, but they respect he defended this country in a war they hated, right?

Or is it another opportunity to bash someone they fear against Hillary?

Just asking
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July 18th, 2015 at 8:40:03 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

You can have a debate before an election.
The problem is conservatives are complaining about how fox determines who the top 10 are that get to debate.
A news outfit can decide to not just report, but involve itself in the process rather then leave the process to the actual voters.
Foxnews will skew the process by determining who the to 10 candidates due to their mystery poll.
The problem is the conservatives in IA SC NH want to determine who the top 10 candidates rather then the Fox mystery poll.
That's why the major newspapers in IA SC NH are staging their own event before the Fox debates to include all candidates.



And does the person is 8th, 9th or 10th even have a chance? How about the asshole in 2nd on the liberal side? Does he even have a chance? And sorry if Bernie is a member here, I'll take my punishment if he is. But then again this site is for profit and since Bernie wants 90% of the income from hard working successful people, I would think the owners would give a pass assuming they don't want these tax brackets either.
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July 18th, 2015 at 8:41:44 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

Trump is really digging himself a hole today:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/18/trump-attacks-mccain-record-as-war-hero-draws-rebuke-from-gop-presidential/

I'm linking to the Fox News story because it seems both the right and left can agree that these comments are disgraceful.



Why is it that everyone can remember him being a POW and not releasing a bomb on the USS Forrestal?

What about all the other pilots and grunts who were pow's? He got notoriety because of his father, Admiral John McCain. Who coincidentally has been accused of covering up an Israeli attack on the USS Liberty, [there are still survivors] http://www.counterpunch.org/2003/10/24/israel-s-attack-on-the-liberty-revisited/

Also some think McCain held back info on POW's left behind,http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/23/report_mccain_suppressed_info_on_fellow

"An investigation by veteran journalist Sydney Schanberg reveals John McCain “worked very hard to hide from the public stunning information about American prisoners in Vietnam who, unlike him, didn’t return home."

Veterans against John McCain:http://educate-yourself.org/cn/earlhopperinterview08feb08.shtml

I don't know if anything here is what Trump was referring to, but the last link here should be considered, IMO.
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July 18th, 2015 at 8:46:01 PM permalink
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/martin-omalley-all-lives-matter/index.html


America 2015. Poor Martin has to apologize for insulting all blacks by saying "All lives matter". Oh the horror!

And some of you people still have the balls to defend liberalism. Thanks for making my day Mr O!!!!
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July 18th, 2015 at 9:39:02 PM permalink
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Why is it that everyone can remember him being a POW and not releasing a bomb on the USS Forrestal?

That is egregiously incorrect. McCain was lucky to flee with his life from his burning A-4E:

"At about 10:50 (local time) on 29 July, while preparations for the second strike of the day were being made, an unguided 5.0 in (127.0 mm) Mk-32 "Zuni" rocket, one of four contained in an LAU-10 underwing rocket pod mounted on an F-4B Phantom II (believed to be aircraft No. 110 from VF-11[1]), accidentally fired due to an electrical power surge during the switch from external to internal power. The surge, and a missing rocket safety pin, which would have prevented the fail surge, as well as a decision to plug in the "pigtail" system early to increase the number of takeoffs from the carrier, allowed the rocket to launch. (see below). . . .

"The impact of the rocket had also dislodged two of the 1000-lb AN-M65 bombs, which fell to the deck, and lay in the pool of burning fuel between White's aircraft and that of Lieutenant Commander John McCain. Damage Control Team No. 8 swung into action immediately, and Chief Gerald Farrier, recognizing the risk, and without the benefit of protective clothing, immediately smothered the bombs with a PKP fire extinguisher in an effort to knock down the fuel fire long enough to allow the pilots to escape. The pilots, still strapped into their aircraft, were immediately aware that a disaster was unfolding, but only some were able to escape in time. McCain, pilot of A-4 Skyhawk side No. 416, next to White's, was among the first to notice the flames, and escaped by scrambling down the nose of his A-4 and jumping off the refueling probe shortly before the explosions began." wikipedia
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July 18th, 2015 at 11:37:01 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/martin-omalley-all-lives-matter/index.html


America 2015. Poor Martin has to apologize for insulting all blacks by saying "All lives matter". Oh the horror!

And some of you people still have the balls to defend liberalism. Thanks for making my day Mr O!!!!



The all lives matter campaign is incredibly stupid and insulting. All lives do matter just like all disease are bad and we should work for a cure, that doesn't mean I'm going to go to a walk for the cure rally and start shouting AIDS is bad to.
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July 19th, 2015 at 2:40:58 AM permalink
Quote: SanchoPanza

That is egregiously incorrect. McCain was lucky to flee with his life from his burning A-4E:

"At about 10:50 (local time) on 29 July, while preparations for the second strike of the day were being made, an unguided 5.0 in (127.0 mm) Mk-32 "Zuni" rocket, one of four contained in an LAU-10 underwing rocket pod mounted on an F-4B Phantom II (believed to be aircraft No. 110 from VF-11[1]), accidentally fired due to an electrical power surge during the switch from external to internal power. The surge, and a missing rocket safety pin, which would have prevented the fail surge, as well as a decision to plug in the "pigtail" system early to increase the number of takeoffs from the carrier, allowed the rocket to launch. (see below). . . .

"The impact of the rocket had also dislodged two of the 1000-lb AN-M65 bombs, which fell to the deck, and lay in the pool of burning fuel between White's aircraft and that of Lieutenant Commander John McCain. Damage Control Team No. 8 swung into action immediately, and Chief Gerald Farrier, recognizing the risk, and without the benefit of protective clothing, immediately smothered the bombs with a PKP fire extinguisher in an effort to knock down the fuel fire long enough to allow the pilots to escape. The pilots, still strapped into their aircraft, were immediately aware that a disaster was unfolding, but only some were able to escape in time. McCain, pilot of A-4 Skyhawk side No. 416, next to White's, was among the first to notice the flames, and escaped by scrambling down the nose of his A-4 and jumping off the refueling probe shortly before the explosions began." wikipedia



http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20081007_investigating_john_mccains_tragedy_at_sea

"A camera on the deck recorded images showing that the Zuni rocket struck White’s plane. The Navy report later attributed the dropped bomb to White’s plane, although the film footage does not seem to establish this definitively. However, McCain has said many times that the Zuni rocket caused the bomb (two bombs in McCain’s version) to fall from his own craft.

Some of those who were on the Forrestal and other persons familiar with the ordnance told me that because the rocket did not hit McCain’s craft, only actions by the pilot could have caused any bomb to fall from McCain’s Skyhawk. These sources—who spoke under the condition that they not be publicly identified—agree with each other that, if any bomb fell from the McCain airplane, it was because of actions that he took either in error or panic upon seeing the fire on the deck or in his hasty exit from the plane. Two switches in the cockpit of a Skyhawk need to be thrown to drop such a bomb, according to the sources."
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July 19th, 2015 at 7:20:55 AM permalink
Quote: Boz

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/martin-omalley-all-lives-matter/index.html


America 2015. Poor Martin has to apologize for insulting all blacks by saying "All lives matter". Oh the horror!

And some of you people still have the balls to defend liberalism. Thanks for making my day Mr O!!!!



Update, to be fair the crowd also heckled the far left's chosen one, Uncle Bernie Sanders.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2015/07/19/black-lives-matter-demonstrators-disrupt-heckle-presidential-forum-netroots/30377141/

Love her or hate her, Hillary was damn smart to distance herself from this collection of fringe far left sideshow attractions.

Perhaps the GOP could advertise the things these people believe in to scare the hell out of normal everyday working Americans who fall for the belief that they are victims and the Democratic party cares about them more. If seeing this people and their beliefs doesnt make voters run from the Democrats, nothing will.
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July 19th, 2015 at 9:17:08 AM permalink
Quote: Boz

And all those liberals who are defending McCain were the first in line to vote for him as well, right? Didn't think so either.

So they didn't agree with anything he stood for, but they respect he defended this country in a war they hated, right?

Or is it another opportunity to bash someone they fear against Hillary?

Just asking



You can respect someone's military service while still disagreeing with their policy positions. That's honestly a really weird argument to try to make. As if military service is the determining factor in most people's votes.

If you think liberals fear Donald Trump against Hillary, well, you're just living in an alternate reality.
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SanchoPanza
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July 19th, 2015 at 10:38:52 AM permalink
Quote: petroglyph

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20081007_investigating_john_mccains_tragedy_at_sea

"A camera on the deck recorded images showing that the Zuni rocket struck White’s plane. The Navy report later attributed the dropped bomb to White’s plane, although the film footage does not seem to establish this definitively. However, McCain has said many times that the Zuni rocket caused the bomb (two bombs in McCain’s version) to fall from his own craft.

Some of those who were on the Forrestal and other persons familiar with the ordnance told me that because the rocket did not hit McCain’s craft, only actions by the pilot could have caused any bomb to fall from McCain’s Skyhawk. These sources—who spoke under the condition that they not be publicly identified—agree with each other that, if any bomb fell from the McCain airplane, it was because of actions that he took either in error or panic upon seeing the fire on the deck or in his hasty exit from the plane. Two switches in the cockpit of a Skyhawk need to be thrown to drop such a bomb, according to the sources."

A patently obvious hatchet job from a so-called historian who cannot reference and link to the Navy report or even any of her supposed McCain statements about the fire launching the rocket from AE4, and not the Phantom that started the conflagration. At any rate, the statement that "McCain bombed the Forrestal" nowhere depicts what really transpired.

Even history.com paints a clear picture:

"The ship was preparing to attack when a rocket from one of its own F-4 Phantom jet fighters was accidentally launched. The rocket streaked across the deck and hit a parked A-4 Skyhawk jet. The Skyhawk, which was waiting to take off, was piloted by John McCain, the future senator from Arizona.

Fuel from the Skyhawk spilled out and caught fire. The fire then spread to nearby planes on the ship’s deck and detonated a 1,000-pound bomb, which killed many of the initial firefighters and further spread the fire. A chain reaction of explosions blew holes in the flight deck and had half the large ship on fire at one point. Many pilots were trapped in their planes as the fire spread. It took a full day before the fires could be fully contained.

Hundreds of sailors were seriously injured and 134 lost their lives in the devastating fire. Twenty planes were destroyed. It was the worst loss of a life on a U.S. Navy ship since World War II."

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