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July 17th, 2015 at 7:03:17 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

Where are you getting your numbers from EB?

The closest I could find was a CNN poll on July 22, 2011

Romney 16
Perry 14
Rudy Giuliani 13
Sarah Palin 13
Michele Bachman 12
Ron Paul 8
Herman Cain 6

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/22/cnn-poll-perry-near-the-top-in-gop-nomination-race/

My recollection is that Herman Cain led one or 2 'outlier' type polls, but it was much earlier in the cycle than this, like in the spring of 2011, and I don't think he EVER had 27%. By this time (july) in the 2011, Romney was leading, although it was a slight lead in most national polls.



FWIW, Cain had 27% and the lead in the 2nd week of October 2011. EB was not far off.

nbc poll
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July 17th, 2015 at 8:16:37 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

FWIW, Cain had 27% and the lead in the 2nd week of October 2011. EB was not far off.

nbc poll



Fair enough, BBB.

I do see an interesting similarity between Cain in 2011 and Trump, 2015. Neither was/is a serious candidate, meaning really had the money, staff or organization to go the distance (unless Trump is really willing to dump a billion of his own money in, which I doubt). So both are/were sort of a protest vote, if even in the polls. Basically the republican voters saying they are unhappy with the other more serious candidates, IMO. Anyone disagree?
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July 18th, 2015 at 4:18:36 AM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Donald Trump is going to up the ratings for the first Republican debate. That should be a good thing for Republicans unless it really becomes a circus.



The circus is starting.
Trump is taking no prisoners.
Trump just said Rick Perry should be required to take an IQ test before being allowed to debate. LOL
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/248260-trump-rick-perry-should-be-forced-to-take-an-iq-test
Is he hiring John Stewart writers? You have to wonder after that hilarious attack.
Trump is the gift that keeps on giving.

The Huffington Post has removed all their coverage of Trump from their political section. All Trump stories and coverage can be found in their entertainment section.

Is Fox listening. Trump will dominate the debates. He is the only straight talker at the debates, the others, politicians that will only say what they think the voters want to hear. Boring. Trump, a straight talker, will dominate.
Thanks Fox. Some of the other candidates scare Hill, Trump does not.
This will catapult Trump to unbeatable for the nomination.

As to the debate that I will definitely have the popcorn out.
I hear that conservatives in IA, NH SC are furious at Fox regarding the debates.
Here is the problem, fox is using undependable polls rather then actual votes to shrink the field to 10.
The conservatives argue that FOX is stealing the process from the voters.
Actual voters in the 1st 3 primaries should be the process to actually determine the top 10 candidates rather then polling which have been wrong in the past.
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July 18th, 2015 at 4:53:50 AM permalink
Quote: terapined


Actual voters in the 1st 3 primaries should be the process to actually determine the top 10 candidates rather then polling which have been wrong in the past.



Meaning what, you cannot have a debate before the election? How would you even do this?
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July 18th, 2015 at 5:12:36 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Meaning what, you cannot have a debate before the election? How would you even do this?



You can have a debate before an election.
The problem is conservatives are complaining about how fox determines who the top 10 are that get to debate.
A news outfit can decide to not just report, but involve itself in the process rather then leave the process to the actual voters.
Foxnews will skew the process by determining who the to 10 candidates due to their mystery poll.
The problem is the conservatives in IA SC NH want to determine who the top 10 candidates rather then the Fox mystery poll.
That's why the major newspapers in IA SC NH are staging their own event before the Fox debates to include all candidates.
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July 18th, 2015 at 5:54:50 AM permalink
Without Trump, I would never bother watching a Republican primary debate (I'd just wait for the post-mortem recap to see if there were any major moments, like Rick Perry's infamous gaffe).

With Trump, I'll be tuned in to every second with popcorn on hand.

There is no denying he is hilarious and very entertaining. He hit on Jeb Bush the other day in one of his speeches for "speaking five words of Spanish" and thinking that will win the Latino vote. Literally made me LOL.
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July 18th, 2015 at 6:08:47 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

You can have a debate before an election.
The problem is conservatives are complaining about how fox determines who the top 10 are that get to debate.
A news outfit can decide to not just report, but involve itself in the process rather then leave the process to the actual voters.
Foxnews will skew the process by determining who the to 10 candidates due to their mystery poll.
The problem is the conservatives in IA SC NH want to determine who the top 10 candidates rather then the Fox mystery poll.
That's why the major newspapers in IA SC NH are staging their own event before the Fox debates to include all candidates.



News organizations are free to air who they prefer in a debate. They are all for profit, not public service. There is no shortage of info on the candidates.

News organizations involve themselves in the process all the time, usually to favor the more liberal candidate.
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July 18th, 2015 at 3:28:28 PM permalink
Trump is really digging himself a hole today:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/18/trump-attacks-mccain-record-as-war-hero-draws-rebuke-from-gop-presidential/

I'm linking to the Fox News story because it seems both the right and left can agree that these comments are disgraceful.
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July 18th, 2015 at 6:56:26 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

Trump is really digging himself a hole today:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/18/trump-attacks-mccain-record-as-war-hero-draws-rebuke-from-gop-presidential/

I'm linking to the Fox News story because it seems both the right and left can agree that these comments are disgraceful.



Yes. VERY much out of line, no matter your political preference.

This man (Trump) REALLY holds a grudge and gets nasty when people criticize him as McCain did last week in Arizona. Also this week Trump tweeted that Rick Perry should be made to take an IQ test before being allowed into the debate. I thought that funny, but not very presidential or professional.

I could see the republican candidates and leaders rising up to disqualify Trump, which could be a grave mistake. At that point he would run third party just to spite the republicans (which he may do anyway) and any votes he gets, 6%, 8%, 10% would come at the expense of the republican nominee. Could even be a case of de-ja-vu as a billionaires third party candidacy costs a Bush the presidency. Lol.
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July 18th, 2015 at 8:31:42 PM permalink
Quote: terapined




The Huffington Post has removed all their coverage of Trump from their political section. All Trump stories and coverage can be found in their entertainment section..



But I think most of us on both sides can agree the HP is also a comedy site, right?

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